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Ford makes good on its promise of a 700-pound weight reduction on the production version of the 2015 F-150

Ford aimed for the fences with the 2015 Ford F-150, promising a 700-pound weight reduction compared to the outgoing 2014 model. Aluminum now accounts for 95 percent of the F-150’s body structure, while the ladder frame beneath is still made of high-strength steel.
 
To demonstrate the dramatic difference between the two generations of F-150s, Ford today setup an apples-to-apples comparison of a 2014 F-150 Lariat Crewcab 4x4 versus a 2015 Lariat Crewcab 4x4. The ’14 model tipped the scales at 5,674 pounds while the ’15 model came in much lower at 4,942 pounds. Ford promised up to a 700-pound weight reduction and delivered a reduction of 732 pounds.


Ford is definitely the first mainstream auto manufacturer to produce aluminum bodies on a large scale, but it won’t be the last. General Motors will switch to an aluminum-intensive body structure for its next generation Chevrolet Silverado and GMC Sierra trucks.
 
In addition to the weight loss, the company back in January announced a brand new 2.7-liter EcoBoost V6 engine option that will be a step up from the standard 3.5-liter V6 engine.


2015 Ford F-150
 
The base 3.5-liter V6 will deliver 283hp and 255 lb-ft of torque, which is good enough for a payload capacity of 1,910 lbs and a towing capacity of 7,600 pounds. However, the new 2.7-liter EcoBoost V6 ups the ante with 325hp and 375 lb-ft of torque. That gives the optional engine a payload capacity of 2,250 pounds and a towing capacity of 8,500 pounds.
 
Ford has yet to give us fuel economy numbers for any of the ’15 F-150 trim levels, but we’re expecting big gains with the more fuel-efficient engines and lower curb weight. It should also be noted that the 2.7-liter EcoBoost will come standard with an Auto Start-Stop system, which should help to boost fuel efficiency in the city.


Ford's 2.7-liter EcoBoost V6
 
For those that require more power under the hood, Ford will make available a 5.0-liter V8 and the 3.5-liter EcoBoost V6.

Source: Ford



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For reference
By FITCamaro on 7/23/2014 7:17:33 AM , Rating: 2
15 years ago the F150 weighed roughly this much. I'm speaking of the same basic truck as the one in this test. 1999 F150 Lariat SuperCab 4x4 Short Bed. So in 15 years we've added over 700 pounds to a truck and it took expensive cost cutting measures to get back to where we were 15 years ago. And that's with 15 years of advancements which include lighter engines and transmissions. Only the Long Bed of the 1999 truck topped 5000 lbs.




RE: For reference
RE: For reference
By FITCamaro on 7/23/2014 8:36:16 AM , Rating: 1
Most of the added weight is not from better frame design to better crumple during a crash. It's from trucks becoming more luxurious and the myriad of other safety stuff that the government has mandated.

There's no question that today cars are better in a crash vs the same car 15 years ago.


RE: For reference
By PaFromFL on 7/23/2014 8:00:27 AM , Rating: 1
I can understand the use of more expensive lightweight materials for a sports car, where handling and acceleration is important. For a truck, well-designed regenerative braking could probably increase gas mileage almost as well as weight reduction. An electric motor would bolster low end torque and a larger battery would be useful for powering auxiliary equipment. I also haven't noticed much progress in pickup truck aerodynamics to improve constant speed gas mileage.


RE: For reference
By atechfan on 7/23/14, Rating: 0
RE: For reference
By CannedTurkey on 7/23/2014 9:51:51 AM , Rating: 5
Keep the tailgate up for better fuel economy, and if we can believe the tests done by consumer reports, box covers don't actually help either.

Plenty of other sources confirm that though if you do a little googling.


RE: For reference
By atechfan on 7/23/14, Rating: 0
RE: For reference
By Flunk on 7/23/2014 10:09:10 AM , Rating: 4
If you can do either of those things long-term, you don't need a pickup truck.


RE: For reference
By atechfan on 7/23/2014 10:17:02 AM , Rating: 2
I have a fabric box cover that rolls up when not in use. Best of both worlds, out of the way most of the time, but always there when I want it. I only pull it out when I have something in the box I want covered.


RE: For reference
By Avatar28 on 7/23/2014 10:28:26 AM , Rating: 5
Not sure about the covers but Mythbusters did the tailgate up/down thing and found that gas mileage is BETTER when the tailgate is up. It seems counter-intuitive but the tailgate up causes you to end up with a bubble of still air above the bed that helps reduce drag. If I had to guess, the bed cover would fall somewhere between.


RE: For reference
By EricMartello on 7/26/2014 2:49:29 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
I can understand the use of more expensive lightweight materials for a sports car, where handling and acceleration is important.


No, acceleration and handling are paramount in a sports car...not merely 'important'. These elements are important in a truck, as a truck that cannot accelerate relatively quickly is a road hazard on the highway during merging and passing actions. A truck that has poor handling unladen will have even worse handling when it has to haul or tow a load - do we really want 8,000 lbs plus vehicles with poor braking and handling capabilities? No.

quote:
For a truck, well-designed regenerative braking could probably increase gas mileage almost as well as weight reduction. An electric motor would bolster low end torque and a larger battery would be useful for powering auxiliary equipment.


For a transit bus that operates primarily in the city, such a system might make sense. For a pickup that is more likely going to be towing/hauling loads on the highway, such a system would only add more weight and have a net negative effect. It is far more practical to boost engine performance with forced induction like a turbo or supercharger - as the additional power these devices provide will always be available to the driver.

quote:
I also haven't noticed much progress in pickup truck aerodynamics to improve constant speed gas mileage.


The only real feature that could help them here is an air suspension that lowers the truck's ride height on the highway, but retains enough spring rate to support whatever payload they are carrying or towing. This is an optional feature on new Ram pickups but would be an aftermarket mod on any of the other trucks. Much better to offer this than some convoluted hybrid system.


RE: For reference
By Jeffk464 on 7/27/2014 3:40:48 PM , Rating: 2
aluminum really isn't an exotic expensive material. The problem is the cost of making the switch.


RE: For reference
By FITCamaro on 7/23/2014 8:37:08 AM , Rating: 2
And sorry that was supposed to say "expensive weight cutting measures". Not cost cutting.


RE: For reference
By Samus on 7/24/2014 12:15:38 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
15 years ago the F150 weighed roughly this much.


So what you are saying is, you'd rather have the piece of crap that was the 1999 F150 over something from the last decade, when safety, size, performance, ride quality, amenities, tow capacity, payload capacity, and presumably reliability have all improved?

The most jarring thing is you ignoring the fact that all vehicles have been gaining weight for the last two decades. The 1986 Honda Accord weighed almost HALF of what it does now. The difference being now you will survive a horrific collision and in the former model your body would be surgically removed from the sheet metal.


2012 3.5L Ecoboost owner
By Labotomizer on 7/22/2014 9:23:57 PM , Rating: 2
And I have to say, it's amazing what that truck can do. I was able to tow a 28' boat this weekend for a friend of mine with no problems whatsoever. Heck, you didn't even know the thing was there. Fuel efficiency suffered on the highway, going from normal 22+ to about 16 but that's still excellent. I average about 18mpg normally and I spend little time on the highway most of the time. It's awesome. I can only imagine what a 700lb loss in weight would bring to the table.




RE: 2012 3.5L Ecoboost owner
By Spuke on 7/22/2014 11:00:14 PM , Rating: 2
My stepson LOVES his! And 325hp and 375lb-ft from the 2.7L? 4900 lbs? Holy crap!!! I'm REALLY interested in seeing the fuel economy on this engine (I was hoping that info would be available today). So far it looks like I've found my replacement truck.


RE: 2012 3.5L Ecoboost owner
By Labotomizer on 7/22/2014 11:19:39 PM , Rating: 2
No kidding. I always wondered why they never brought a small truck back but this new 2.7 may give you the best of both worlds.


RE: 2012 3.5L Ecoboost owner
By Manch on 7/23/2014 8:38:08 AM , Rating: 2
Mainly bc the Ranger they sell now is sooo close in size to the F-150 so it wouldnt make sense to bring it to the states. They would have to actually design a small truck for the states. Instead they feel that this is a better way to go.


RE: 2012 3.5L Ecoboost owner
By hanznfranzen on 7/23/2014 7:33:02 AM , Rating: 2
I love that turbo hanging on the left side of the engine! Forced induction is where it's at! I'm willing to bet that 325hp/375lb-ft is actually quite conservative for longevity as I have a 315hp/315lb-ft 2.0L 4 cylinder in my WRX, and a friend has an STi with 385/400 from a 2.5L 4 cylinder. I think it would be exceptionally cool if manufacturers making turbo engines like this one gave you some access to the engine management too. I have a small handheld device that plugs into the ODB-II port and allows me to choose one of 10 engine maps. You can have the full power and boost when you need it to haul, and on the fly can switch to a gas mileage map that cuts max boost but saves a lot of gas. There's even a valet mode that doesn't allow the engine to go above 3500 rpm. Even just like three different settings would be cool to have standard from the factory.


RE: 2012 3.5L Ecoboost owner
By Spuke on 7/23/2014 10:48:58 AM , Rating: 2
The 3.5L EcoB's ECU has already been cracked so I'd imagine it won't be long until the 2.7L's is cracked too.


RE: 2012 3.5L Ecoboost owner
By Labotomizer on 7/23/2014 12:10:25 PM , Rating: 2
Those types of controls are built into the GT500 Mustang. My friend can change engine maps on the fly in his. It would be cool if you could do it with the EcoBoost. And I know you can get it reprogrammed but most places are too aggressive and end up causing major issues.


RE: 2012 3.5L Ecoboost owner
By Spuke on 7/23/2014 12:33:34 PM , Rating: 2
The max I'd want is 50hp/50lb-ft. I could still tow with it without radically decreasing long term reliability. I'd have to drive it stock first though.


So...
By jdre on 7/23/14, Rating: 0
RE: So...
By Brandon Hill (blog) on 7/23/2014 8:27:16 AM , Rating: 5
The frame isn't less rugged (or lighter AFAIK), but the BODY is. The frame is the most important structural member of a pickup truck -- the body just sits on top.

So before you had a steel frame and a steel body.
Now you have a steel frame and an aluminum body.

The weight saving comes from switching to aluminum for the body. As for the ruggedness of the vehicle in general, you can check this out:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDIM83jTuwk


RE: So...
By marvdmartian on 7/24/2014 7:24:47 AM , Rating: 5
Perhaps a more important question will be, how does the aluminum body affect the price of an already high-priced vehicle, and how long will the fuel savings from this weight reduction take to equal out the (most likely) cost increase?

Another good one: How will this affect insurance costs? Assuming that body work will take longer, that increases costs, which will be passed on to the insurance buying customers, right?


RE: So...
By Jeffk464 on 7/27/2014 3:46:33 PM , Rating: 2
A lighter vehicle is a better performer than a heavier one, that is worth a little extra besides the fuel efficiency gains.


Luxury vehicule
By Donnarr on 7/24/14, Rating: 0
RE: Luxury vehicule
By Schrag4 on 7/24/2014 1:10:37 PM , Rating: 5
Do you follow these people and then watch what they do on weekends, or after they get home from work on weekdays? Your statement of what you see is nearly as meaningless as me stating that I occasionally see a semi tractor with no trailer, or one with an empty trailer, or a train with only engines and no cars. I know what you're trying to say, so why don't you come out and say it?


severe thunderstorms
By DocScience on 7/26/2014 2:40:34 PM , Rating: 2
People who live in areas where hail dropping thunderstorms occur frequently are going to find a big surprise in their insurance rates for these new aluminum bodied trucks.

We have aluminum hooded vehicle and it dimples from even SMALL hail, while the steel roof doesn't.




RE: severe thunderstorms
By letmepicyou on 7/27/2014 11:35:02 AM , Rating: 2
This is why the hood and deck lid should be carbon.


a
By piroroadkill on 7/23/2014 5:48:25 AM , Rating: 2
"high strength steal"?

Do the assembly line workers pinch the chassis from somewhere else?




RE: a
By FITCamaro on 7/23/2014 8:38:22 AM , Rating: 1
You're acting as if this is a tech website.


By letmepicyou on 7/27/2014 11:33:00 AM , Rating: 2
The Mustang has gained weight just about every single year since it's inception in 1964. The fact that the Mustang used to be a lightweight was what contributed to it's performance in the 60's, and is what killed it's performance when it moved to the Fox chassis in the late 80's and the SN-95 chassis in the 90's. If they would chop 700 lbs off Mustang, it would be an amazing car, given it's current HP numbers. Imagine...a 5.0 Mustang rolling off the showroom floor with an aluminum engine block and body structure with carbon hood and deck lids, aluminum framed seats, rare earth magnets in the speakers, there are so many places to shed weight in that car and it would literally start to run with Vipers, Porsches, Vettes, and the like, with a serious weight drop.




Modern Pickups...
By EricMartello on 7/26/14, Rating: 0
Ugly truck
By valkator on 7/23/14, Rating: -1
Hope for
By Dug on 7/22/14, Rating: -1
RE: Hope for
By Doh! on 7/23/14, Rating: -1
RE: Hope for
By Manch on 7/23/2014 8:42:48 AM , Rating: 3
I guess you missed the "I personally" at the beginning. He was merely stating his preference. No need to get all hostile there.


RE: Hope for
By Spuke on 7/23/2014 12:42:24 AM , Rating: 2
If I get one, it'll be a long bed with the extended cab. I don't need 4WD either. And it won't be a fancy Lariat. Mine will be used primarily for hauling hay and towing a horse trailer.


RE: Hope for
By Labotomizer on 7/23/2014 8:55:20 AM , Rating: 2
When I got mine I looked for a used truck with a good deal, lower mileage and a bit of wear. I have no desire to buy a brand new truck, especially a Lariat, King Ranch or Platinum. It's a truck, I want to be able to toss a cooler in the back full of fish. I want to be able to haul stuff. I don't want to worry about a scratch or driving down on the beach.

Luxury trucks are a mystery to me. With the exception of the Raptor, that's just an awesome vehicle. Not htat I'd spend $60k+ on it.


RE: Hope for
By atechfan on 7/23/2014 9:29:56 AM , Rating: 2
I love my Raptor. Yes, it is mostly an expensive toy for me, but I still get some work done with it. Spray in box liner means I am not worried about what I toss in the back.


RE: Hope for
By Labotomizer on 7/23/2014 9:43:06 AM , Rating: 2
Lucky!

And the Raptor is built for some major off road action but it would be hard for me to swallow doing that with a truck that expensive. It's not the hauling or towing. It's driving through some brush and scratching the paint. Thing like that.


RE: Hope for
By atechfan on 7/23/2014 9:47:10 AM , Rating: 2
Mine is pretty scratched up. Not much I can do about that. If I ever get it repainted, I'm going to see what options there are for something more scratch resistant.


RE: Hope for
By atechfan on 7/23/2014 10:02:37 AM , Rating: 2
Some of my off-roading friends have spray painted their trucks or Jeeps camo so when they do scratch, they just spray that area, not worrying about matching the paint. And I know one guy who got his powder-coated. Not a big fan of the look, but it does resist scratches well.


RE: Hope for
By FITCamaro on 7/23/2014 10:11:32 AM , Rating: 2
It's claimed to be built for that stuff. In practice, it has failed miserably and people have had warranties denied for doing with the truck what Ford showed being done in the commercial.


RE: Hope for
By Labotomizer on 7/23/2014 11:10:37 AM , Rating: 2
That's typical. And it depends on the type of damage your truck takes. If you bust the suspension hauling ass off road and then tell the dealership that's what you were doing then... well.

Ultimately the warranty is all about the engine, transmission and electrical. As long as that's covered I'd be okay. Other damage could be covered by insurance. If you're going to off road in any vehicle you have to accept some level of personal risk. Which is why I personally couldn't bring myself to do it in a truck that expensive.


RE: Hope for
By atechfan on 7/23/2014 11:17:28 AM , Rating: 2
I expect that if I break it, I won't get warranty coverage. But I don't treat it as rough as some of the videos I have seen. I do off-road, but I am sensible about it. That said, I expect at some point I'll be fixing something I broke. All in all, though, it has stood up to some pretty rough driving. Just not stupidly rough.


RE: Hope for
By Reclaimer77 on 7/23/2014 11:17:55 AM , Rating: 1
Just wait until people start taking their new aluminum-bodied Raptors on serious off-roading.

Same vastly inflated price tag, even LESS durability. And for a Ford, that's saying a lot...


RE: Hope for
By atechfan on 7/23/2014 12:02:35 PM , Rating: 2
Ford trucks wouldn't dominate the workplace if they lacked durability. I think you are getting them confused with Toyota trucks.


RE: Hope for
By Reclaimer77 on 7/23/2014 1:53:42 PM , Rating: 1
Ford trucks "dominate" the workplace because they are cheaper.

Not sure what sources you're using, but everyone I look at has Toyota's trucks having way more value, resale value, reliability etc etc.

And I never said they lacked durability in the first place. I'm talking about future truck models that will obviously be LESS durable.

Or are you now going to argue that Aluminum is stronger than steel?


RE: Hope for
By Brandon Hill (blog) on 7/23/2014 2:07:54 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Or are you now going to argue that Aluminum is stronger than steel?

I would argue, does it matter in this case? I'd be more concerned with the frame/engine/transmission/brakes if we're talking about durability in a pickup.

The body being made out of aluminum doesn't strike me as being a durability issue... 99% of the work trucks I see (contractors, small business owners, etc.) have dents/scrapes/scratches/holes in the bodywork/bumpers. They don't repair it because IT DOESN'T MATTER and doesn't affect how they do their business. They're superficial "wounds" that have no affect on durability.

Now something like trouble-prone tranny or craptastic brakes are something that I would be REALLY concerned about.


RE: Hope for
By Spuke on 7/23/2014 2:14:53 PM , Rating: 2
X2, in the work environment, it does not matter how the body holds up. Ask a construction worker if he cares that his rear bumper is pushed down or he has holes in the bed.


RE: Hope for
By Reclaimer77 on 7/23/14, Rating: -1
RE: Hope for
By Brandon Hill (blog) on 7/23/2014 2:33:14 PM , Rating: 2
What is this? Reclaimer complaining about people being hostile?

**Sh!t-eating grin**

:-)


RE: Hope for
By Reclaimer77 on 7/23/14, Rating: 0
RE: Hope for
By Spuke on 7/23/2014 3:23:43 PM , Rating: 2
I'll be honest, I didn't think you were talking about off-roading. I still don't think serious off-roaders will care much as they're already beating their present trucks up. Not to mention, the F150 isn't the typical choice for off roading either.


RE: Hope for
By Spuke on 7/23/2014 2:12:37 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Ford trucks "dominate" the workplace because they are cheaper.
Really Rec? 30 years straight as being the number one selling car in the US can't be explained away by "it's just cheaper". It's a MONSTER seller because it's the best car in the US for most people. Like I tell the Ram fanboys (not saying you're one BTW), if it was a POS or even any less than "perfect", people would NOT be buying them by the 10's of THOUSANDS per month. If the other trucks were better, they would've displaced the Ford's decades ago. And this is coming from a VERY satisfied former Toyota Tundra owner. BTW, Ford's resale value on trucks is nearly same as Toyota's. Ford cars? Different story there.


RE: Hope for
By Reclaimer77 on 7/23/2014 4:32:16 PM , Rating: 1
Well the same argument could be made for the Camry, but I don't think you'll find many people claiming it's the most badass car out there just because it sells a lot.

quote:
And this is coming from a VERY satisfied former Toyota Tundra owner.


I've been in the Tundra and the F-150. Come on be honest with me, you know the F-150 is a complete piece of sh*t compared to your Tundra, right?

If the Tundra was priced as low as the F-150....well come on, we know what would happen. But it's going to take decades for Toyota and others to overcome the social stigma that American made = better trucks.

It's already happened in the small truck market. The Toyota Tacoma killed off the Ford Ranger. Toyota made the best small truck, and Ford kept on making the worst. And the rest is history.

You get what you pay for. You want a cheap ass work truck or a truck in general, well, the F-150 is for you.


RE: Hope for
By atechfan on 7/23/2014 8:53:22 PM , Rating: 2
Toyota doesn't even sell heavy duty trucks in North America. They have nothing even close to the F250 or F350, or Chevy HD2500 or HD3500. What can you get from Toyota that can tow 15000 lbs.? Where is the dual wheel option? What about 700+ foot/pounds torque diesels. How are they at pulling stumps? If you think a Tundra is a work truck, you haven't seen real truck work.

I know a few companies that decided to try Toyotas for work trucks around here, and quickly gave up on the idea, because they couldn't take the punishment. And even though they lack the payload and towing capacity of their domestic competitors, they still are at the back of the pack for fuel economy.


RE: Hope for
By Reclaimer77 on 7/24/2014 11:33:11 AM , Rating: 2
Not to pull out the whole 'moving the goalposts' thing, but I thought we were talking about the F-150? I know Toyota doesn't do "super duty" trucks with "dualies" and the like, but I wasn't referring to that.


RE: Hope for
By atechfan on 7/23/2014 4:23:33 PM , Rating: 2
It appeared that you were saying that Ford trucks had low durability and that aluminum was just going to make it worse. Is aluminum stronger than steel? Depends on what you mean. It is stronger per unit weight, but weaker by volume. So you could save weight and get equivalent strength by being slightly thicker, or you could use the same weight and use substantially thicker panels, making them stronger than before.

There is no reason that using aluminum will automatically mean a weaker truck. In fact, it will increase corrosion resistance. The only caveat I have is that aluminum does not handle repetitive deformation as well as steel. But the body panels are not load bearing so it shouldn't matter.


RE: Hope for
By snhoj on 7/23/2014 8:48:51 PM , Rating: 2
Aluminium panels have similar denting and bending stiffness as steel if they are about 40% thicker. 40% thicker still equals 50% lighter.


RE: Hope for
By Spuke on 7/23/2014 10:40:21 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
Luxury trucks are a mystery to me.
Some people daily drive them and want all the stuff cars have. I get that. My present truck is an 06 F250 diesel Lariat. I got it used in 09. I was using it to pull a 5th wheel in addition to towing the horse trailer and hauling hay. It works just like any other truck. It was also a daily driver for my wife for a bit (which is why I got a Lariat).


RE: Hope for
By Labotomizer on 7/23/2014 11:13:35 AM , Rating: 2
I pull up to my parking lot at work and there are 4 King Ranch F150 and 250s sitting in the parking lot, and they all look brand new all the time.

But I also don't have the money the owners and sales guys have so good for them.


RE: Hope for
By atechfan on 7/23/2014 11:19:18 AM , Rating: 3
People buy King Ranches for the same reason people buy Escalades. They are luxury vehicles for truck country. You will rarely see one of them doing anything that might damage them.


RE: Hope for
By Labotomizer on 7/23/2014 12:06:13 PM , Rating: 2
Yup, and their other cars are things like a V10 R8, or a BMW 7 series, or Audi A7/8s... Those sales guys can certainly make some cash.


RE: Hope for
By Spuke on 7/23/2014 12:29:21 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
You will rarely see one of them doing anything that might damage
them.
Yeah, I've been told that it's a shame I have to use such a
nice truck in the manner I use it (which isn't bad at all...not like I'm using it on a construction site). I don't see it that way. It's nice but it's still a truck and the nice stuff has held up really well.


RE: Hope for
By HostileEffect on 7/23/2014 2:18:43 AM , Rating: 2
I just want a nice truck to occasionally haul building materials with, groceries, goat food, mhmm.

I'll probably get a Tacoma because of that...


RE: Hope for
By Manch on 7/23/2014 10:26:59 AM , Rating: 2
So a 14 Lariat which comes standard with the 5.0 V8 or ecoboost 3.5 V6 as an option vs a 15 Lariat with a 2.7L V6 Turbo? I'm a bit confused here. Which engine is in the truck? I was hoping to see what the weight difference would be with the same engine. Would that not be an apples to apples comparo?

Either way, if I decide to pick one up it will be with the 5.0L so I can slap a blower on it and call it a day.


RE: Hope for
By Spuke on 7/23/2014 10:45:20 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Either way, if I decide to pick one up it will be with the 5.0L so I can slap a blower on it and call it a day.
Does the Ford Racing supercharger fit on the F150 V8 too?


RE: Hope for
By Manch on 7/24/2014 11:51:58 AM , Rating: 2
I dont know if they offer a kit but if they do it will be identical(except for the tuner) to the whipple kit being that they source from Whipple. I have the FR HO kit on my 06 stang and have it pullied at 16.5lbs (gauge reads 18.5).

Roush also makes kits for them as well. I havent checked Kenne bells site lately but im sure they do.

If I'm going SC, I'll choose the FR/Whipple route. I think they're the better option. I do like the KB blowers though. They're a very close second in my book and it boils down to application.

I dont like centrifugal SCs. If you're going to go that route then just go turbo as their boost characteristics are the similar.


RE: Hope for
By mdogs444 on 7/23/2014 11:11:49 AM , Rating: 1
I have a 13 F150 4dr shortbed and I have no problems hauling 8ft sheets of plywood, so I have no idea where you're getting your information.

Putting the tailgate down, I can stack full sheets of plywood and use one or two ratcheting tie downs. I also haul lumber with ease for personal small jobs. The rear window slides over and I can fit 12ft sections by putting partial in the cab and tying down at the rear.

I have a truck for the utility of it - I'm a big hunter and fly fisherman, making it perfect for those activities and hauling my drift boat. Its great for personal moves and being able to buy large products at stores without having to pay someone to ship them.

I also live in NE Ohio in the snowbelt where we get, on average, over 66". 4 wheel drive helps a ton around here.

People who work in construction aren't the only ones with a use for a truck.


RE: Hope for
By atechfan on 7/23/2014 11:25:48 AM , Rating: 2
Being a Canadian, I can agree with the utility of my truck in the winter. The same 4wd and high ground clearance that makes it great off road also makes it great for driving when the roads haven't been plowed yet.

I got a shortbed because I wanted a crew cab too. A crew cab longbed is too long for offroading, plus I am pretty sure the Raptor doesn't even come in that configuration.

Love my truck for hunting and fishing expeditions. Also it fits the whole family for camping trips. I'm definitely with you stating that more people than contractors want pickups.


RE: Hope for
By FITCamaro on 7/23/2014 7:22:31 PM , Rating: 2
Both you and mdogs are the minority unfortunately. I'll let people buy whatever they want to buy. But still a fact that the vast majority of truck owners use them for common commutes, grocery getting, and nothing more. Most of the people at my work with them don't even have kids.


RE: Hope for
By atechfan on 7/23/2014 8:43:26 PM , Rating: 2
My experience is the opposite. Nearly everyone I know with a pickup is a contractor, farmer, forester, or outdoorsman. These trucks get used hard.


2.7L oh my god no
By rocky12345 on 7/23/14, Rating: -1
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