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Most concrete evidence yet of Apple's new tablet?

We're sure that everyone is tired of hearing rumors about Apple's mythical 10" tablet by now, but there appears to be some concrete news to report on the device for a change. According to VentureBeat, mobile app analytics firm Flurry has managed to track the elusive tablets in the wild.

Apple is notoriously tight-lipped about its new products and unsurprisingly, not even a single spy photo has managed to escape from Cupertino. However, Flurry has been able to track the devices based on roughly 200 different apps that were downloaded by Apple testers.

According to Flurry, 50 of the devices -- all located within Apple's Cupertino campus -- were tracked and all were running iPhone OS 3.2 which seems to shoot down any aspirations that the tablet would be running a full-blown version of the desktop version of OS X. Flurry also states that the devices first started popping up in its system in October, but a rather large influx of the devices started appearing this month.

Now before anyone says, "Well, couldn't these just be iPhones running OS 3.2", Flurry VP Peter Farago has an answer. "If this were an iPhone we were looking at, the hardware would tell us when we ask it (via the software)," noted Farago. "So we can rule out that this is an iPhone. Also, we already see verified iPhone devices testing OS 4.0 and these leave (Apple's Cupertino, CA) campus, whereas this device does not. This makes sense given the secrecy around the new tablet device as the launch event nears."

Farago went on to add that, "The apps being tested match up to what the devices is supposed to feature (e.g., news, books, etc.)" and "We wouldn't publish such a report without a high level of confidence."

We only have to wait until Wednesday at 10 a.m. PST to see what the real deal is on Apple's tablet. Until then, we'll stay mum unless the unthinkable happens and the devices somehow manages to leak onto the web.

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By Devil07 on 1/25/2010 1:43:04 AM , Rating: 5
and what void in my technology driven life will this fabled tablet from apple actually fill?

RE: meh....
By Brandon Hill on 1/25/2010 1:46:32 AM , Rating: 1
I'm wondering the same. I have an iPhone and a MacBook Pro. This tablet is supposed to be 10" -- it won't fit in my pocket which means that I will have to find some bag to throw it in.

So if I have to throw it in a bag to carry it around with me, why wouldn't I just bring my 13" MacBook Pro instead and have a real, physical keyboard?

And another thing, if this thing requires a cell plan for 3G connectivity, that's going to be another strike against it considering that most of us tech heads are already paying for a smartphone data plan.

RE: meh....
By Omega215D on 1/25/2010 2:52:03 AM , Rating: 2
Possible replacement for a Wacom?

I'd rather have a Lenovo X200 Tablet with a keyboard or Apple should make something along those lines.

RE: meh....
By Sokal on 1/25/2010 4:31:45 AM , Rating: 2
Well, Brandon, I've had an ipod touch for over a year, and I can see exactly where they are going with this thing.

I mean, I am not trying to sound like an expert or anything, but it is amazing the amount of time I spend on my ipod, for a quick read, a quick game or for browsing, even though my computer is just a few feet away.

The killer feature? Instant on.

Search results in a few seconds, or a new game installed in under a minute.

Plus I don't have to sit at my desk to read an article.

Of course, the biggest drawback is the screen size of the ipod...

So when they announced a tablet, I was like: "Yes! That's what I want!"

And I am not disapointed by the fact that it's running iphone os, because boot time would be exactly what I don't want on this thing.

However, what make me shiver is the price... Would I buy it for 400? Hell yes! For 600? Let me wait a little for every snag and bug to be ironed out. For 800? Maybe... One day... If I ever come accross some unexpected cash. For a 1000? No way ever!

And don't talk to me about carrier discount or rebates... Carrier lock-in is illegal in belgium. Wich means we pay full price every time, for every phone. Nice, isn't it.

So, do I want one? Yes.

Will I get one... We'll see

So I wait...

RE: meh....
By damianrobertjones on 1/25/2010 5:24:58 AM , Rating: 2
There are already a load of inexpensive tablets out there... so why haven't you and others considered them???

HP TC1100 would be a good start

RE: meh....
By Sokal on 1/25/10, Rating: -1
RE: meh....
By judasmachine on 1/25/2010 9:11:45 AM , Rating: 2
Hang on just a bit, and there will be Android based tablets too. it's not iPhone OS, but it's decent, and will cost far less. The Android Market is growing fast.

RE: meh....
By invidious on 1/25/2010 9:54:39 AM , Rating: 5
Ya if only XP had this advanged sleep feature that apple has invented for the ipod. Maybe when microsoft finally impliments it they will give it a straight forward name so even apple users can understand what it does.

ps: windows has a sleep feature, they call it sleep.

RE: meh....
By Sokal on 1/25/2010 7:05:41 PM , Rating: 1
You've made a mistake.

I'm not a mac user.

I've used Windows all my life. I've even taught little twerps how to use it. (By the way, didn't you use to sit at the back of the class? :-)

I have an ipod, that's all. And I know what sleep is for: instead of waiting a sh..load of times, you wait... a little less longer. (And I never said Apple invented it).

What I am talking about, and what I want in a tablet is Instant On . Big difference with sleep.

And that is something that only an arm-based tablet can offer, because of its low idle power consumption.

So stop being such a fan boy. If Microsoft ever release an os that can run on Arm, apart from the crappy Windows Mobile they have right now, I will be the first to try it.

But the truth is that XP is not well suited for a tablet.

And as far as android is concerned, I have seen pictures of prototypes from CES coverage, but it hasn't reached a shop near me yet so I can't judge. And if I ever see one I would also consider buying one.

I am not an apple fan. Especially their prices. But if they are the first to market with a good product, I will buy it.

Unlike you, I am not a zealot. I am a consumer. I chose what to spend my money on, regardless of the brand.

P.S.: And don't call me buddy, pal!

RE: meh....
By damianrobertjones on 1/26/2010 6:34:54 AM , Rating: 1
Yes, you can fingers. Try a Toshiba M750....

By the way, Windows Touch is light years better when using Windows 7. You do have options...

P.s. We'll see if apple's tablet is instant on or off in a LITERAL sense and not suspend or hibernate!!!!!!

RE: meh....
By PrinceGaz on 1/25/2010 11:53:42 AM , Rating: 2
10" screen is too big. Yes, I'd love a larger version of my iPod touch as I'd like something larger than its 3.5" screen, but 10" is impractical to carry around in other than a dedicated bag. If I'm going to do that, I may as well buy a laptop or netbook instead.

I would have thought the ideal size would be about 5.3" screen (about 4.5" x 3") which would result in a device with over double the screen area but still small enough to fit into a trouser or jacket pocket (though not into a shirt pocket like the iTouch can).

RE: meh....
By omnicronx on 1/25/2010 12:59:40 PM , Rating: 2
The point here is that Apple expects this to be adopted by the masses, and I do not think that will come to fruition.

When it comes down to it this tablet is nothing but a glorified ipod touch that is no more portable than a laptop. You mention instant on, but have you ever put a new PC on say Windows 7 or even OSX to sleep? Its pretty much on instantly, having a tablet is not going to drastically change this.

Also the carrier is a HUGE aspect, having a 900-1000 dollar tablet tied to a monthly data package would be a terrible idea for Apple. If its not an optional component, it will not be marketable to the masses.

Personally I've always liked the idea of a tablet, but I would expect a full fledged PC experience, and I still don't think I would pay 1000 dollars for it.. That being said, I just don't buy the theory that everyone needs/wants a tablet in their household like Apple is trying to imply. At least not at the price that Apple is expecting to receive.

I also don't think that the app store will be even nearly as successful. One of the reasons I personally think the app store does so well is that people are willing to pay for games and apps as time wasters, I just don't see the same thing happening at home when a user can merely take their laptop or PC and play many of the same titles for free. My sister for example loves her iPhone, but would play flash games in an instant if she had the chance. I would also assume that being an iphone OS, the tablet will not support flash, which in my opinion is a major oversight.

Expecting users to buy apps in areas where they were traditionally had for free is not a good business plan in my opinion. Of course Apple has proved us wrong before, and will most likely prove us wrong again, only time will tell..

RE: meh....
By CHAOQIANG on 1/25/10, Rating: -1
RE: meh....
By ZHENZHEN on 1/27/10, Rating: -1
RE: meh....
By BZDTemp on 1/25/2010 3:33:56 AM , Rating: 1
Could it be Apple is making something not target specifically at you :-)

I can think of it being:

A Kindle alternative
A tool for data gathering (Electronic clipboard)
A surf-the-web gizmo for the couch
A cool remote for mediaplayback

Some of the stuff on the list can be done with a laptop or an iPhone but something in between would do it better.

If it's not to expensive, good virtual keyboard, has good screen resolution and so I could imagine it could be an alternative for a netbook.

RE: meh....
By Devil07 on 1/25/2010 3:46:59 AM , Rating: 2
I see you point, but you see, I'm a clone of every other technology lemming out there, and for the most part I already have a device or two for all of the things you mentioned.

Although I do like the idea of a surf-the-web gizmo for the bathroom. A 10" tablet would fit nicely in the magazine rack next to the toilet.

RE: meh....
By theapparition on 1/25/2010 11:13:55 AM , Rating: 2
A Kindle alternative

That it most certainly will not be.

The draw of a Kindle and other readers is the eInk. Long battery life and most importantly, readability, is the most important feature of eReaders.

You can now download books on your computer, yet reading them is tortuous at best.

RE: meh....
By omnicronx on 1/25/2010 1:25:26 PM , Rating: 2
-A Kindle alternative
Not if you value your eyes... E-readers use special ink and special displays, they are not constantly refreshing before your eyes like a normal LCD screens. This is why I don't think schools will be replacing their textbooks anytime soon with an Apple tablet, although it is one of the few places where the high priced tablet is actually justified. I spent almost 3k in textbooks in my final year of school.

A tool for data gathering (Electronic clipboard)
I don't see how a keyboard less tablet would be any more useful for data gathering. Unless you are going to cut and paste into the iPhone Os notepad over and over. Not going the OSX route kind of kills the word processing ability of the tablet, but I guess we will have to wait and see what they come up with. Either way I don't see it being more productive than a laptop.

A surf-the-web gizmo for the couch
This is most likely its best feature, and this is what I would use it for, but once again, what exactly does this give you over a laptop? Its going to be harder to read and type, the only benefit is the smaller form factor.

A cool remote for mediaplayback
Cool for sure, but that would require that the tablet come with an IR adapter, we shall see if that actually happens.

I could easily see this as being major competition for netbooks if the price were lower, but you can do everything you mention and probably easier and faster with a netbook (any way you put it, a virtual keyboard is not faster not easier than a real keyboard). The only drawback is a tablet is smaller, but then again netbooks are not exactly big in the first place.

The saving grace is of course the app store, but at home, don't you think many users would just opt to say, use their existing laptops to play games and use apps for free? You can find a flash based alternative for alot of iPhone apps out there, and many of the best iPhones apps are made and designed for portable use, i.e using GPS, ect ect, which will be totally useless in a home environment.

RE: meh....
By BZDTemp on 1/25/10, Rating: 0
RE: meh....
By omnicronx on 1/25/2010 4:56:21 PM , Rating: 2
Still I imagine OLED could go some way towards being as reader friendly as e-ink. Also as I have spends loads of time in front of computer screens and reading of a high dot pitch good quality one is not a problem.
Without a doubt OLED will help, but reading a static image is a lot easier on your eyes than one that refreshes many times per second. Just because you read all day on your PC does not mean you should also tack on reading a 300 page book from a similar display.
This is because you are thinking text editing. Think check lists, score cards, forms as in speeding tickets and so on. All sort of documents where you write little if perhaps nothing but still collect data and may likely benefit from the data brought by other sources
I see where you going, but I think you forget one of the major fallbacks of having a capacitive display, everything needs to be big in order for it to work correctly. Where restive displays can select down to one pixel, capacitive displays are nowhere near as accurate. Checking a box is not going to be the problem, but if you think you are going to get a rich experience like you would have if you had a mouse, you are in for a surprise.
More and more gear is connected to the web. For example there is a nice app for the Touch/iPhone which controls your Sonos music systemt not to mention there is the whole iTunes thing.
Can't say I disagree, problem is if you are going to bring something to the masses, you have to think of the current situation, not how devices are going to work 10 years down the line. Unless you can control almost all your devices, what exactly is the point? Using a remote for a few things and a tablet for others makes no sense. Sony made this mistake with the PS3, and many people are still feeling the pain.

RE: meh....
By BZDTemp on 1/25/2010 5:43:38 PM , Rating: 1
While I am no expert I am very sure a picture on a LCD or OLED is actually static in it being persistent so long as there is power. That is how people do not notice such displays working at 60 Hz while for many that was a problem with CRT's which was essentially flashing. The real difference between eInk and the others are that eInk is not backlit and requires only power to change.

As for quality of reading I really think it is more a matter of dot pitch plus the right amount of light.

I agree about a mouse being much more precise but I still imagine think it will possible to use a tablet like that. I have used tablet PC's a little and that was not bad only to heavy/clumsy compared to a clipboard. (U know the type which is like a laptop but you can twist the display 180 and just use the display.)

About the masses. I think the masses are getting ready for the next step. Just look at all the speaker solutions being sold for the iPods and imagine something more family friendly which also controls video feed to the big screen. And even if it is not for the masses for sure loads of geeks are looking for the perfect music control thing brought by a brand name (sorry, Sonos).

If you look you will see Sony, Phillips and other brands trying to be in that market but Apple is in a much better position to be that with the iTunes and iPods and all.

RE: meh....
By omnicronx on 1/26/2010 9:58:58 AM , Rating: 2
While I am no expert I am very sure a picture on a LCD or OLED is actually static in it being persistent so long as there is power. That is how people do not notice such displays working at 60 Hz while for many that was a problem with CRT's which was essentially flashing. The real difference between eInk and the others are that eInk is not backlit and requires only power to change.
You've been misinformed, the reason CRT's seem to flicker is it is an interlaced display. A CRT TV for example operates at 60 half frames per second, this is what gives you the flicker effect at lower refresh rates. LCD's on the otherhand are progressive displays, each frame is shown in its entirety. That being said, a 60HZ LCD is not a static image, it is actually refreshing the screen 60 times each second. i.e the image is no persisted as long as there is power.

E-ink is far closer to say an 'Etch A Sketch' than it is an LCD display. E-ink is far superior to LCD/OLED for reading, it is a essentially a static image and has far lower power consumption, heck I don't think it uses barely any power at all when you are not switching pages.

RE: meh....
By BZDTemp on 1/26/10, Rating: 0
RE: meh....
By themaster08 on 1/25/2010 4:31:13 AM , Rating: 1

Apple to release a tablet, just in case we didn't get it the first thousand times we've heard about it.

I know to the average sheep, they have never hward of a tablet until Apple make one, but this is a tech site, and it's just more of the same old to us that know better.

Seriously, so fucking what?!

RE: meh....
By FaaR on 1/25/2010 8:44:07 AM , Rating: 1
I'm thinking sort of the same, if the tablet - as it seems very likely - will be ARM-based rather than x86.

So here we have Apple, with its latest, shiniest new gizmo and a MINIMUM $600 pricetag (price of iPhone, and this one's a lot bigger), and you can't bloody run anything on it except what you download from Apple's own store, with all the limitations and caveats that entails. Plus you're limited to Apple's abysmally crappy Windows software if you want to hook it up to and synch it with your x86 box at home.

Seriously, I know no worse windows software from a big billion-dollar corporation than Apple's shit iTunes and crap quicktime. Well, maybe Adobe Flash/Acrobat, those are completely bollocks as well.

I'm no Apple hater per se, I'd love to have an iPhone if it hadn't been so fucking expensive, and this tablet looks intriguing too; I don't have any portable computing ability at all (not counting my S-E 3G phone and its joke of a built-in web browser). However if Apple's tablet costs more than a regular laptop while at the same time doesn't run any of the software the laptop runs, AND at the same time has about 1/10th the raw computing power of said laptop (which is typically the case even with the best ARM CPUs)...then I just can't justify a purchase. No way.

Give me x86 or give me death!

RE: meh....
By grampaw on 1/25/2010 4:02:36 PM , Rating: 2
The much hyped Apple tablet is a day late and many, many dollars too much I'm sure. But the iFlock will throw dollars for the bragging rights...

Why would I need one with an iPhone, an eReader (BN Nook), 2 netbooks, and a laptop??

By damianrobertjones on 1/25/2010 5:23:21 AM , Rating: 2
Any additional news about the HP tablet or isn't that really that important?

RE: Apple?
By amanojaku on 1/25/2010 9:39:07 AM , Rating: 2
Don't be stupid. If HP sells a supercomputer faster than IBM's Roadrunner for $500 that MIGHT be news. If Apple takes a sh1t in a box that's DEFINITELY news.

your right
By krichmond on 1/27/2010 7:04:00 AM , Rating: 2
You couldn't be more right

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