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She was arrested and charged for possession and discharge of a weapon on school property too

A teenage girl from Florida has been expelled from her high school for an accidental explosion caused by mixing chemicals together [outside] on school grounds.

Kiera Wilmot, 16, a Bartow High School student in Florida, was expelled from school when her chemistry experiment exploded. She was mixing some household chemicals (toilet cleaner and aluminum foil) in an 8-ounce water bottle when the top popped off unexpectedly and an explosion occurred.

According to Wilmot, she thought this combination would simply create a bit of smoke, and that the explosion was an accident.

However, Wilmot was arrested on Monday and charged with possession and discharge of a weapon on school property and discharging a destructive device. 

Kiera Wilmot

She was also expelled from school, and will now have to continue her high school career in an expulsion program.

These extreme consequences are due to zero-tolerance programs, which were enacted in schools in 1994. At that time, Congress required states to adopt laws that expelled students who brought firearms to school for at least a year. All 50 states adopted the laws in order to receive federal funding.

Many are in opposition of these laws, saying that it isn't fair to good kids who make occasional mistakes. Many oppose what happened to Wilmot as well, but the school district has responded to the incident saying that they reacted properly, as the law requires. 

"Unfortunately, what she did falls into our code of conduct," Leah Lauderdale, a spokeswoman for the district, tells Riptide. "It's grounds for immediate expulsion.

"We urge our parents to convey to their kids that there are consequences to their actions."

Lauderdale said Wilmot can challenge her expulsion, but there's no word on whether she has or not at this point. 

Sources: Yahoo News, Huffington Post, Miami New Times





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Ummm...
By Motoman on 5/3/2013 2:08:17 PM , Rating: 3
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She was mixing some household chemicals (toilet cleaner and aluminum foil)


...that's been a bomb since I was in college. At least. You know...shortly after the last ice age.

That's not a HS chemistry experiment.

It's a bomb. Not a highly-destructive one, mind you...they tend to make a loud noise and generate some smoke - and then the spray might peel the paint off of whatever it landed on...but that's about it. Still - the sole purpose of doing such a thing is to make something blow up.




RE: Ummm...
By BRB29 on 5/3/2013 3:11:29 PM , Rating: 2
I have to agree with motoman on this one. This is a known home formula to cause destruction. There's many cities facing this kind of attacks all the time. Some people get seriously hurt because of this.

I don't know how she can expect a little fizz and smoke when every video I've seen of this has resulted in explosion. This was all over the news a few years back.


RE: Ummm...
By kleinma on 5/3/2013 4:28:03 PM , Rating: 2
Not for nothing, and maybe she knew what she was doing, but what does it matter that it was on the news a few years back? This girl is 16 now. You are going to assign blame based on the fact that a girl that was maybe 12-13 didn't catch a news story on what house hold mixtures can create explosions?


RE: Ummm...
By Motoman on 5/3/2013 4:34:28 PM , Rating: 1
People have been making Drano bombs for a minimum of 20 years. And what she was doing was *exactly* that - she was following instructions someone gave her to make a bomb.

Period.

You may as well claim that she didn't know that pouring gas on a cat and throwing a match at it would cause it to burn to death. When was the last time that was reported on TV?


RE: Ummm...
By Motoman on 5/3/2013 4:39:53 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
Wilmot told him a friend had told her to mix the two substances, but that she "thought it would just cause some smoke." She told the school official she wasn't trying to hurt anyone or disrupt school, but was simply "conducting a science fair experiment."

The assistant principal called police after talking to Wilmot's science teacher and determining he didn't know about the experiment.


From the local news link. You reckon "a friend told me to do this" is a basis for an actual science fair experiment? How about the fact she did it away from the school, without alerting any school officials - let alone her science teacher - as to what she was doing?

She was making a Drano bomb, and she was aware she was making a Drano bomb, and after she got caught making a Drano bomb she decided to pretend it was all "for science."


RE: Ummm...
By Kefner on 5/3/2013 5:13:24 PM , Rating: 2
Honestly, I never heard of these combining to make anything. Know the old vinegar and baking soda thing, but never hear of toilet cleaner and aluminum foil. Sorry if I, or this young lady haven't kept up with every single news story out there! :)


RE: Ummm...
By Motoman on 5/3/2013 6:20:57 PM , Rating: 2
Forget news story.

This is like claiming you'd never heard of cooking an egg on the sidewalk.


RE: Ummm...
By FaaR on 5/3/2013 7:44:18 PM , Rating: 3
You don't know what she knew, or thought she knew or anything of the sort. Get off your high horse and stop pretending you're the moral compass of the universe.

Regardless of what this girl knew or not, what she did happened off school grounds, and should of course not warrant expulsion, that's totally ridiculous and draconian. Then again, the US has been marching towards a totalitarian taliban police state for decades (a development eagerly applauded by people like you who think they know everything even though they weren't there, I might add), so this story should not surprise anyone.


RE: Ummm...
By Motoman on 5/4/13, Rating: -1
RE: Ummm...
By Camikazi on 5/4/2013 11:29:35 AM , Rating: 2
30 years old here and have made quite a few "bombs" from dry ice and other things and have never heard of this combination (will probably try it out soon though). Don't go around assuming that what you know is known by every other person around. Anyway, intentional or not she did not do this on school grounds which means the school has no reason to expel her at all.


RE: Ummm...
By Motoman on 5/4/2013 12:17:43 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
According to an officer, an assistant principal heard an explosion near a gazebo on the school grounds and found Wilmot near a plastic bottle.


...from the local news article.

You should try reading some time.

There's no chance she didn't know she was making something that would blow up. Especially at the direction "of her friend" - and considering all the Drano bomb videos on Youtube and everywhere else.

Note that I haven't said *anything* about whether or not the school's punishment was justified. I'm simply pointing out that there's no way she was just "doing a science experiment."


RE: Ummm...
By Camikazi on 5/4/2013 4:59:08 PM , Rating: 2
I do read but I don't go to the source unless the story really interests me, which this one didn't, and this article didn't state it was on school grounds originally.


RE: Ummm...
By Motoman on 5/4/2013 6:47:14 PM , Rating: 2
Then I accept your admission that you're wrong, and that your comments are therefore invalid.


RE: Ummm...
By leftcheek on 5/12/2013 4:06:30 PM , Rating: 2
Same here never heard of the drano bomb.


RE: Ummm...
By Reclaimer77 on 5/5/2013 2:08:14 PM , Rating: 1
It's Daily Tech lol. I can believe it.

The stupidity of, well, nearly everyone here besides you and I is stunning.

I can't believe people are equating what this girl did with "science experiments" and, of all things, Albert Einstein and the nuclear bomb?? Just...wtf?

Is everyone here an adolescent with an extreme dislike of teachers and schools? Because the posts here nearly all have that tone, and it's embarrassing.

A modicum of common sense and maturity here would go a long way. The fact that Motoman is nearly alone on this is just depressing.


RE: Ummm...
By BRB29 on 5/6/2013 8:00:43 AM , Rating: 2
One of the few times I will agree with reclaimer77. This is not an experiment, it is stupidity from watching youtube videos. The best thing the article can say is that she's a good student that never got into trouble. So basically, she's a C or B student that has not been expelled, suspended or have any problems with law enforcement yet. Geez, as a teenager, I really hope you haven't gotten into trouble.

Alert Einstein original intention was not to create an atomic bomb to cause destruction. The man is credited for saving humanity more than anything. In fact, you can thank him for nuclear power along with GPS. Most new discoveries in physics are just an extension of his work. Our 2 spacecrafts wouldn't have made it out to interstellar space if it wasn't for Einstein's work. We are still deciphering a lot of his work today and finally proving it's true.


RE: Ummm...
By superflex on 5/6/2013 9:02:04 AM , Rating: 2
Agreed,
The average age of posters defending with the girl is probably somewhere in their 20's.
This POS made a bomb. She knew what the result would be and she did it on school grounds. If she did this at my daughter's high school, I would hope she would be treated the same. You cannot endanger your classmates and feign ignorance.
DT and DC Tiffany using "science experiment" in the title is partly to blame. Ignorant people read a title, skim the opining of Tiffany, and skip the link to the true story and you wonder why America is in decline.
Must of these turds defending this ignorant student get their news from Twitter and social media.
Low information voters at their best.


RE: Ummm...
By bsd228 on 5/6/2013 5:01:58 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Is everyone here an adolescent with an extreme dislike of teachers and schools? Because the posts here nearly all have that tone, and it's embarrassing. A modicum of common sense and maturity here would go a long way. The fact that Motoman is nearly alone on this is just depressing.


Common sense is to presume evil intent and expel from school? That is truly depressing.

I can't tell if the anger here is driven by sexism or the stupidity stemming from zero tolerance policy. I know that in high school I was highly interested in chemical reactions that had a bang. I loved testing that methanol (which I made in a tube) did actually burn. It's a very short step to doing an experiment that back fires. You don't give a kid a free pass for that sort of error, but expulsion seems to be an odd form of 'curiosity killing the cat.'

Now those of you convinced she was practicing bomb making for bad reasons - why would she do her trial run on campus, then?


RE: Ummm...
By 8meagain on 5/10/2013 9:15:58 AM , Rating: 1
Ok, after that rant, I feel it is my duty to DOWN rate you!
RANTING as everyone knows is the 1st step to becoming a terrorists...

You are probably just pissed at the girl because she caused people to notice all the aluminum foil & toilet cleaner you have been buying...


RE: Ummm...
By Wolfpup on 5/10/2013 2:00:13 PM , Rating: 1
These things are not "common knowledge".

It sounds like we've got an inquisitive high school student, and instead of rewarding that, we're punishing her. Fantastic. I hope this doesn't hurt her self esteem nor her willingness to explore.


RE: Ummm...
By OCNewbie on 5/6/2013 10:01:43 AM , Rating: 2
First sentence of the story:

quote:
A teenage girl from Florida has been expelled from her high school for an accidental explosion caused by mixing chemicals together [outside] on school grounds .


RE: Ummm...
By Dr of crap on 5/6/2013 12:39:41 PM , Rating: 2
So she wanted to see if it worked.
That's a GOOD reason to expel her. This is the gray area where there "no" policy needs to bend.


RE: Ummm...
By crispbp04 on 5/6/2013 9:59:23 AM , Rating: 2
not for nothing? you must be from Jersey.


RE: Ummm...
By m51 on 5/3/2013 6:21:47 PM , Rating: 5
It's Actually not a bomb. Lye and aluminum is a good way to make hydrogen gas. Used to do that myself back in high school and fill balloons with it. Before helium was so readily available.
The reaction is quite exothermic though and as it heats up it accelerates. I went through a few trial and errors before I got the hang of how to set it up so it didn't boil over. If you put it in an unvented container the pressure builds up till the lid pops off.

it's no more a bomb than heating a can of soup till it explodes.

The over reaction of the authorities is a combination of ignorance and a petty tyrant mentality. A sad reflection on society. I predict this student will be much more successful in life than any of the authorities involved.


RE: Ummm...
By Motoman on 5/3/13, Rating: -1
RE: Ummm...
By m51 on 5/4/2013 10:34:33 PM , Rating: 1
By your definition anybody popping packing bubbles is making bombs...

Classic fundamentalist mentality, everything is black and white. Every answer is simple.


RE: Ummm...
By Motoman on 5/5/2013 10:47:41 AM , Rating: 1
You're retarded, and you're being retarded.

Your assertion that popping packing bubbles is "making bombs" is just as stupid as your assertion that making a Drano bomb isn't making a bomb.

You even described it yourself!

quote:
If you put it in an unvented container the pressure builds up till the lid pops off.


...only you're poo-pooing the reaction there. If you put a lid on it - like in a plastic soda bottle - the lid doesn't "pop off" - the bottle explodes.

Like a bomb. Which is what it is. Which is what you know it to be, despite your continued insistence on pretending it's something else.

Horrifically stupid people like you are ruining the world. Force this girl to take responsibility for her actions and own up to what she did, rather than pretend that her "science experiment" excuse is even slightly valid. Look at what you'd be teaching - "go ahead and do whatever you want...if you get caught, lie about it and maybe you'll get away with it."

Is that the values you think people should be taught?


RE: Ummm...
By M'n'M on 5/5/2013 11:18:26 AM , Rating: 2
If I blow and blow into a balloon and it pops ... is that now a "bomb" ? There's a lot of comment going on here w/no knowledge of her intent. Find me a teenager who hasn't played with illegal fireworks. Does that brand all off them terrorists, or even delinquents, in the making ? No, obviously not. The schools policy on this is a stupid as expelling kids for bringing a squirt gun to class (due to a no firearms policy). That the DA decided to arrest the kid rather than opening an investigation is equally stupid. We'll have to wait and see if charges are brought or if some sensibility will prevail.

Imagine if every speeding violation was treated as if it were speeding through the grade school parking lot doing 80 mph at recess. Adults would demand a degree of proportionality. Instead we teach the kids it's all or nothing. That's also the wrong lesson for them to learn.


RE: Ummm...
By Motoman on 5/5/2013 6:30:29 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
There's a lot of comment going on here w/no knowledge of her intent.


Her intent was to make a Drano bomb, following instructions from her friend to do so.

That's what she did. On school grounds. Without having alerted any school officials as to what she was doing.

There categorically is no doubt that her intent was to make a Drano bomb. There is not the slightest way anyone can give any credence to her "science experiment" excuse.

And AGAIN, I have made no statement whatsoever regarding whether or not the punishment was appropriate. I would just like all the world's retards to stop pretending she was doing anything other than making a Drano bomb, and that she didn't know exactly what was going to happen.


RE: Ummm...
By BRB29 on 5/6/2013 9:17:59 AM , Rating: 2
lol it's because people don't read past the author's bias. They failed to look past the sugar coated words. They failed to do further research besides what's presented in front of them.

This is all over the news and youtube. A simple google pops up more results than you want to see. None of them says the result is just some smoke. All of them says it could take off your fingers and cause burns from the acid. She did this on her own for her own enjoyment.

Lol, I don't know how so many people can't understand that every experiment yielded an explosion. But somehow her explosion was an accident. Give me a kit kat bar.

Do I think she should be expelled? no
She should be suspended for a couple weeks, kept on probation and have a serious talk with the police. Keep her away from the school and everyone else will only increases her chance of being a real criminal.


RE: Ummm...
By M'n'M on 5/6/2013 1:12:04 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
She did this on her own for her own enjoyment.

I agree and it's what I was trying to point out above. I don't believe it was her intent to harm anyone or anything. Being malicious or actually dangerous to others would warrant the actions taken to date. If she or her friend had been injured ... too bad for them. That would certainly have been a learning experience.

Punishments that don't account for the severity of the crime and intent are stupid.

What I've yet to hear is why this was done on school property. When we kids did (worse) "experiments" with real explosives, we always did them in the woods far away from adult eyes and ears.


RE: Ummm...
By heerohawwah on 5/5/2013 12:13:58 PM , Rating: 2
Actually it is a bomb, its called a pop bottle bomb, and obviously you didn't make very many if you did. You use a 600ml bottle not a big one...builds the pressure faster. If someone was holding onto the bottle when it went off or had it near their head...wow not fun with a lot of blood. This is of course before you even start to add other ingredients like gasoline which work just fine if you provide an ignition source.
Did the authorities over react? Yes, but that doesn't change the fact that it was a dumb ass thing to do.


RE: Ummm...
By LRonaldHubbs on 5/6/2013 9:53:57 AM , Rating: 2
Plax bottles work the best IMO. The locking safety caps hold on incredibly well, and the bottle itself is a thick, sturdy plastic. The bottle will actually deform into a cylinder and nearly double in length before it finally tears.

Definitely this was a dumb thing for her to do. They are definitely dangerous, not just because of the explosion itself, but also the hot caustic fluid which gets sprayed in all directions.


RE: Ummm...
By superflex on 5/6/2013 9:08:25 AM , Rating: 2
So, in your mind, an exothermic reaction is not a bomb. What about the fact when the pressure exceeds the bottles capacity to contain it, everyone in the area gets doused with a hot caustic liquid. I guess it's OK to throw lye in someones face too?
You sir are an idiot and shouldn't breed or vote.


RE: Ummm...
By retrospooty on 5/4/2013 9:29:54 AM , Rating: 2
"That's not a HS chemistry experiment."

Exactly... While I disagree with it being called "a bomb", it has been used for generations as a method of causing mayhem and couldnt have been done by accident. If someone did it, the purpose was to cause mayhem, the same as when my friend set off a stink bomb (small bottle of a rotten egg smelling fluid)in the gym in Jr. High... No damage done, it just stunk to hell. Had he been caught, he would have, and should have been expelled.


RE: Ummm...
By LRonaldHubbs on 5/6/2013 9:49:11 AM , Rating: 2
I agree. She clearly made a bomb and set it off on school property. It wasn't a science experiment. It had nothing to do with her classes and the science teachers were not aware of it. These types of bombs are common knowledge among teens, and she even admitted to doing it because a friend told her to. She got caught and now she wants to weasle out of it by pretending it was science experiment. She's full of it and she knows it.

Not sure what the punishment should be. Felony charges for this are absurd, and even expulsion seems excessive unless they can prove that she meant harm by doing this (which doesn't seem to be the case).


RE: Ummm...
By jthistle on 5/6/2013 1:23:30 PM , Rating: 2
Given sufficient volume and an open flame it can be very dangerous.

2HCl+2Al = H2 + 2AlCl

Ignite that hydrogen gas and you get a big flame explosion.

At her age she should have had enough Chemistry to know this "experiment" was a bad thing. The HS did the right thing.


Disgusting and short-sighted
By Scaredy Retard on 5/3/2013 2:55:22 PM , Rating: 5
That was a careless thing to do, but more proof as to how short-sighted, harmful, and downright vile zero tolerance policies tend to be. I am so glad I graduated high school right before those idiotic policies started being implemented everywhere.

I wonder if the school has these installed:

http://imgur.com/TyXFaYQ




RE: Disgusting and short-sighted
By BRB29 on 5/3/13, Rating: 0
RE: Disgusting and short-sighted
By Hakuryu on 5/3/2013 3:45:20 PM , Rating: 1
Which begs the question - why wasn't there supervision? Any case like this outside of a school, and we'd be blaming her parents for not paying attention to what she was doing.

Teachers are at fault here. They are professionals who deal with children, and yet this one had no idea what one of his/her students were doing. Or did the teacher know, yet didn't think anything about it?

I'd appeal if I was the girl, and probably sue the school system also, for gross negligence in not supervising a potentially dangerous experiment, and making materials known to explode available to the students.


RE: Disgusting and short-sighted
By FaaR on 5/3/2013 7:48:12 PM , Rating: 2
I see what you did there...


RE: Disgusting and short-sighted
By mars2k on 5/4/2013 9:03:20 AM , Rating: 1
Yeah school districts, you gotta love them. This is about some hysterical dingbat with a rule book. A remedial reader in a power position. This isn’t zero tolerance its zero intelligence
This was an experiment that blew up. Lots of experiments blow up, so what. Experiments are about seeking knowledge. In this case this young student has learned not to even try.


RE: Disgusting and short-sighted
By Kazinji on 5/4/2013 2:10:56 PM , Rating: 5
Works bombs aren't made by "accident".


RE: Disgusting and short-sighted
By Reclaimer77 on 5/5/2013 2:20:22 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Which begs the question - why wasn't there supervision?


This happened at seven in the morning, before school. What supervision are you talking about?

But I guess I can't blame you. Your entire post is a reflection on the fact that there's not nearly enough factual information presented to the reader about the particulars of this incident to make an informed opinion.

Tiffany strikes again. Seriously Tiffany, you suck as a journalist.


RE: Disgusting and short-sighted
By EricMartello on 5/6/2013 5:53:30 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Tiffany strikes again. Seriously Tiffany, you suck as a journalist.


What if she's hot?


By Reclaimer77 on 5/6/2013 6:55:40 PM , Rating: 2
Reclaimer77 only dates the hottest of the hot. 8.5 minimum and up only.

She can be hot as she wants, I'm just tired of reading her bullsh#t. Also she never participates in the discussions like Brandon or Mick, maybe because she knows there's no defense for her practices...


RE: Disgusting and short-sighted
By ppardee on 5/3/2013 4:12:44 PM , Rating: 4
She needs supervision to do science?

She was away from buildings and away from people. Her intent was not to cause destruction or injury. It was a science experiment even if it wasn't in science class.

Does it matter WHY she did it? She took the proper precautions and had an unexpected reaction. Even if it was an EXPECTED reaction, she still did it in a way that it minimized risk.

This should be taken as a learning experience and an opportunity to teach other children about experiment safety. We shouldn't use it as an opportunity to tell children they should stay away from playing with science because it will get you arrested. These people are fools.

Or is your point that she was intending to use this to hurt people in the future and we should punish people for what we believe they are going to do/could do with the knowledge they acquire?


RE: Disgusting and short-sighted
By Motoman on 5/3/13, Rating: 0
RE: Disgusting and short-sighted
By Darksurf on 5/3/2013 5:46:10 PM , Rating: 4
If you told Albert Einstein that making the Atomic Bomb wasn't science, He'd slap you silly! ;)

It was science. Seriously, who isn't amused by smoke and explosions? We shoot off fireworks for celebrations. As long as nobody was injured and she didn't go out to create an actually destructive and or elaborate bomb in an area where people could seriously be hurt, this couldn't be considered intentional. She may have not known better. I seriously had no clue about this mixture and I've taken Chem1&2 and Organic Chem1&2 in college!

Some people are curious and gullible. Why pick on the sheltered kids cause they have an 'ideal' view of things that doesn't actually exist? If anyone would have been hurt it would have been her. She's fine.

Next thing you know, Dry Ice will be the next 'weapon' of choice. Heck, go all out. Lets call it assault when someone gets hit with a bottle rocket on the 4th of July.


RE: Disgusting and short-sighted
By Motoman on 5/3/2013 6:23:11 PM , Rating: 1
FFS.

Technically everything is "science" - which is to say, something that happens in the real, physical world. You masturbating in your mom's basement is "science" from that standpoint.

What she was doing, though, was not "research" or any kind...she was not doing an "experiment" or in any way trying to improve upon our understanding of the universe.

She was making a bomb. And she knows it.


RE: Disgusting and short-sighted
By rameshms on 5/3/2013 11:05:42 PM , Rating: 2
You're being harsh.. If she wanted to make a bomb, she'd look up the pressure cooker bomb recipe and blow it somewhere where it'd get most attention.
Clearly she (and may be few friends) was curious on the recipe and try it out. Maybe she could've picked a more secluded place to do it. But again, she's 16.
Expelling student for being curious is ridiculous.


RE: Disgusting and short-sighted
By TSS on 5/4/2013 5:12:25 PM , Rating: 2
It's ridicolous, unless you want to send a message to everybody who's left not to be curious, or to hide your actions, etc.

Then it makes perfect sense.


RE: Disgusting and short-sighted
By SlyNine on 5/4/2013 2:22:53 AM , Rating: 2
Albert Einstein blasted the use of the bomb and had a huge moral dilemma when he helped write that letter. I don't think he wanted the bomb to ever be created. For him it really was a, lesser of two evils, dilemma.


By inighthawki on 5/4/2013 5:02:32 AM , Rating: 2
That doesn't make it any less science.


RE: Disgusting and short-sighted
By inperfectdarkness on 5/4/2013 9:22:42 AM , Rating: 1
It may be science, but it's also teaching immature HS students how to make a bomb. NOT cool.


RE: Disgusting and short-sighted
By leftcheek on 5/12/2013 4:20:29 PM , Rating: 2
Apparently from most peoples comments most teenagers already know how to make this bomb so she isn't teaching them a damn thing.


RE: Disgusting and short-sighted
By Reclaimer77 on 5/5/2013 1:55:29 PM , Rating: 4
Man, Daily Tech is an excellent case study in how media bias effects the average person.

You've read an article that's stunningly bereft of facts and unbiased presentation, purposely geared to be sympathetic to this girl, and off to the races you go. Without a shred of common sense or critical thinking.

quote:
She needs supervision to do science?


Duh? What if it blew up in her face and injured her or even killed her? We all know how that ends. A massive lawsuit levied against the school district, teacher, etc etc. And rightfully so.

Are you an idiot? Of course students need to be supervised in school. Did you even GO to school? Maybe where you went to school students had unbridled freedom somehow, but I sure didn't.

These rules are put in place to protect the students as much as it protects the school system from being sued for negligence. You're making these people out to be Fascists or something.

quote:
Does it matter WHY she did it? She took the proper precautions and had an unexpected reaction.


Again, ask yourself, what if a student did this or something like this, and he/she WAS injured or killed? It's happened before man! Get a clue.

quote:
This should be taken as a learning experience and an opportunity to teach other children about experiment safety.


I agree. And now they've learned that if you go off on your own, unsupervised, with the intention of making an explosion or similar "experiment", you get punished.

quote:
We shouldn't use it as an opportunity to tell children they should stay away from playing with science because it will get you arrested.


LMAO ok, you're an idiot. Do you really think anyone is coming away from this with the opinion that "science" is now wrong? That's really the lesson being learned here in your opinion? Absurd...

She wasn't doing "science", come on, use your brain please.


RE: Disgusting and short-sighted
By ppardee on 5/6/2013 7:40:16 PM , Rating: 2
My bias comes from my own experience as a high school student experimenting with dangerous things, not from an article I read on the internet. If you think kids are supervised in school, especially high school, you are very naive.

I went to an inner city high school (and I have a bachelor's degree, so you could say that I went to school). We had security guards whose job it was to make sure riots didn't break out. They weren't always successful. Students sold and used drugs on campus. Fights were routine. I was free to do essentially whatever I wanted as long as I stayed on campus and wasn't damaging school property or being conspicuous about not being in class. Your school might have had supervision, but I assure you it is not the norm.

If she had sinister intent, why did she tell adults about what she did? She wanted to see what would happen if she mixed two things together in a closed space. She believed she would get smoke. She observed that an explosion took place. Observe, Hypothesize, Test. That's science. In an era of Observe, Hypothesize, Believe (Looking at you AGW), most people wouldn't know science if it took their mom to prom.

If you believe the action the school and law enforcement too won't discourage kids from doing things that might not turn out exactly the way they think, you don't understand kids. Teens are risk takers. They're explorers. She was doing what is normal and healthy for her age and intellect. These nanny-state thugs came in and said "OH NO! We might get sued!" And took an innocent child's innocence away. I guarantee you this is not about her safety because their reaction to a legitimate experiment has done more harm to this child than anything else in the situation.

Example of the right reaction from my history:
Me: "My friend and I melted sugar and salt peter down and poured it into aluminum cans (cut in half) then stuck strike anywhere matches in the mixture before it solidified. It made a wicked red flame, a ton of white smoke and burned so hot, there wasn't anything left of the can when it was done"

My Dad: "Cool! The salt peter acted as an oxidizer and the sugar was the fuel. You need to be careful when you do that though. You don't want to start a fire when you set it off, so make sure there aren't any overhead branches, you're far away from buildings and there isn't any loose debris on the ground. Also, when you melt it down, if you aren't careful with the heat, it will ignite while you're mixing it and could burn the house down. And don't use your mom's pots."

End result is I enjoyed science, which is more than we can say about science class. No one went to jail. No one got suspended. No one got hurt. Everyone had a good time. Exact opposite of this poor girl's experience.


RE: Disgusting and short-sighted
By DrizztVD on 5/4/2013 5:41:49 AM , Rating: 2
Expelling someone for experimenting with science? That's really being over sensitive. It's really just a result of the modern tendency to file all edges off, put guards on everything and warning signs everywhere. If you think of it, who cares that she made a bomb? Her intention was not to cause harm with it, so why bother? I tried my own designs using shotgun shell gunpower and who knows what while at school. The most rewarding experiment was building a potato cannon and testing for the most explosive propellant (alcohol based sprays work the best). Luckily there are no 'protect the idiots' laws in my country for that type of stuff. The important point being that I researched my design's safety precautions about as well as i researched the design itself. Never had a mishap.

The logical result of this is that creativity gets stifled, school kids need to be given the intellectual freedom to experiment in responsible ways. You simply can't put people in a safety bubble and expect them never to come to harm. The school should have called her in and quizzed her about the procedures she had followed in making the experiment. If it really was careless then they could put her on probation for sloppy academic research work. But this way you're only teaching kids that to test the boundaries of imagination is a crime. It's not. Really, if you think of it, why are we so obsessed with keeping everyone so damn safe? Sh*t happens in life, people get hurt sometimes, its a fact, accept it and get over it. There really is no use in a society devoid of all sources of harm. All you'll get is a mushy-can't stand up to anything culture. Time to get some perspective...


By FastEddieLB on 5/4/2013 2:21:49 PM , Rating: 2
+6


RE: Disgusting and short-sighted
By Jeffk464 on 5/5/2013 10:04:26 AM , Rating: 2
What, we used to make those tyoes of "bombs" as kids all the time, only we used dry ice and water. Also there is no chance she didn't know it would pop.


This article is so messed up
By sprockkets on 5/3/2013 2:58:34 PM , Rating: 2
This wasn't a school experiment, nor was it done in a "science class." It happened on school grounds near a lake. She did it at 7am.

Then of course you link to another daily tech article that has nothing to do with this incident.

Pretty stupid thing to do on school property. If she and others haven't learned, school rules boarder on being from a Nazi concentration camp.

Remember this incident?

http://thefiringline.com/forums/archive/index.php?...




RE: This article is so messed up
By Brandon Hill (blog) on 5/3/2013 3:28:34 PM , Rating: 2
You are correct, and thank you for pointing it out. We have updated the article to reflect that that it occurred on school grounds, but not in class.


RE: This article is so messed up
By deathwombat on 5/3/2013 3:51:15 PM , Rating: 2
That's not the impression I had at all until I read Brandon Hill's post.

"Kiera Wilmot, 16, a Bartow High School student in Florida, was expelled from school when her chemistry experiment exploded."

When I read "chemistry experiment", I inferred that she was in Chemistry class. I think that's what any reasonable person would infer. The term "school grounds" include the area inside of the school, so this attempt to convey that she was outdoors was too subtle to change that impression. Besides which, my 12th Grade Chemistry teacher took us outside one day to work with chemicals that were going to give off fumes, so merely being outside doesn't mean that she wasn't in class. There is nothing in this article, as it is currently written, that would lead me to think that she was not conducting an experiment during Chemistry class.


RE: This article is so messed up
By Spookster on 5/3/2013 4:05:04 PM , Rating: 2
I agree. I also inferred that she was doing this as part of a class assignment based on how this article and headline is worded. It should be more clear that she was doing this without permission or supervision outside of class but on school grounds.

And was it really a "chemistry experiment accident" or was it just someone goofing around? If she was actually trying to learn something through the experiment then this really should be nothing more than a slap on the wrist and told get permission first in the future. If she was doing this to purposely cause an explosion because she thought it would be cool then yeah expel her.


RE: This article is so messed up
By BRB29 on 5/6/2013 8:09:23 AM , Rating: 3
it was not a chemistry experiment
it was on school ground outside
it was not assigned by a teacher
no teacher was supervising this as it was 7 am when class hasn't started
no chemistry teacher would teach kids to use drano and aluminum foil in a bottle as it will cause a reaction and creates a large amount of gas in a short period of time. Being in a closed bottle, it will cause it explode. The explosion can take off fingers and inject acid at a high velocity into your skin. I've never seen drano in a lab, just in a locked wall locker marked "janitors only"

This article leaves out so many details to make the girl look good. It's like every article here has something against the government or authority.


By drycrust3 on 5/3/2013 3:36:49 PM , Rating: 2
My thanks for highlighting the fact that Wilmot wasn't actually in class at the time of the explosion, some other media do say the police reported, as you said, the "event" happened around 7am. I think this is an important fact that needs to be reported as one could easily jump to the conclusion the "experiment" was being conducted in a science class with school supplied equipment, when it wasn't.
http://www.wtsp.com/news/article/312750/8/Bartow-H...


Terrorists in the making
By random2 on 5/3/2013 2:19:51 PM , Rating: 2
YouTube "crazy class experiments". America is obviously chock full of little terrorists in the making. Someone call the FBI about the blatant disregard for public safety taking place in Americas schools. Don't forget to look for their sources of money. I strongly suspect PTA, and student groups may be inadvertently funding this terrorism via bake goods and chocolate almond sales. Bastards!

Folks this is what happens when you allow the craziness and hysteria over terrorism to cripple your country.
By the way other articles on the web state this was done well away from the school but on school, property.




RE: Terrorists in the making
By MZperX on 5/3/2013 3:02:55 PM , Rating: 2
Depending on school policy the expulsion is probably appropriate although they should still exercise discretion and weigh all factors before applying the harshest punishment. So, this girl did something stupid. And possibly dangerous. She is not the first 16 year old to do something like this. She should be seriously reprimanded but the criminal charges are way over the line. Classic zero-tolernace dumba$s overreaction. Given th einformation in the article, destroying her future with criminal prosecution does not seem appropriate at all. But such is the sad knee-jerk world we live in today.


RE: Terrorists in the making
By jimbojimbo on 5/3/13, Rating: 0
Sounds like me :D
By The0ne on 5/3/2013 6:27:41 PM , Rating: 1
If she did this by "accident" then I can appreciate it. If she did this not knowing the results I think it was awesome. The reason I would think so is because I did the same thing when I got into chemistry. I was too curious for my own good and just wanted to see what would happened when I mix things...without the research :D Sure I was ban for the whole year from experiments but at least it was fun and I've learned my lesson :)

I'm starting to think if I did that today I also be arrested.




RE: Sounds like me :D
By Camikazi on 5/4/2013 11:45:24 AM , Rating: 2
You would be arrested and tagged a future terrorist probably. I did the same when I was younger cause I loved seeing the reactions, it was just fun to do.


If Obama had a daughter...
By superflex on 5/6/2013 9:14:23 AM , Rating: 3
I'm sure we'll hear from President Oblamer soon enough on this case.
Of course he cant comment on the Kermit Gosnell trail since it's an active case, but he can comment on Travon Martin, the Cambridge Police arrest of his agitator professor buddy, etc, etc.




So basically she was expelled for being stupid
By Denigrate on 5/3/2013 2:07:10 PM , Rating: 2
Was this a sanctioned experiment by her chem teacher? Did she ask the teacher if it was safe to try? If neither of those is true, she should be expelled for doing something dangerous in class. What she did was stupid, and dangerous.




So lame.
By mousewiz on 5/3/2013 5:11:48 PM , Rating: 2
Anyone who didn't play with explosives as a kid missed out. A suspension might've made sense because a 16 year old should probably know better than to do it at school. Possibly explusion if she had a history of it. But criminal charges? Really?




Zero Tolerance
By fic2 on 5/3/2013 5:42:19 PM , Rating: 2
Apparently in Colorado we don't believe in zero tolerance - at least for some things. Several teens in one school burgled a house and stashed several guns (3 rifles and a shotgun) and other stuff at their nearby school. The WORST punishment was 6 days detention and 2 years probation.

http://www.denverpost.com/ci_23088673?source=bb




Shocking news!
By lagomorpha on 5/4/2013 6:31:30 AM , Rating: 2
This just in: Journalist intentionally leaves out relevent details of story in order to cause emotional reaction in readers.

BUT FIRST! What you don't know about the Hubble Telescope could kill you! News at 11!




It WAS NOT a science experiment
By Milliamp on 5/4/2013 10:36:06 AM , Rating: 2
Her teacher said there was no such assignment and it was not an assigned project by the school. She mixed some chemicals she knew would expand and put them in a bottle with the top on it.

"she thought this combination would simply create a bit of smoke"

She thought it would make "a bit of smoke" but put the top on the bottle anyway? She knew full well the bottle would explode.

I have made bottle bombs out of dry ice and water before and they are loud but I have never done such a thing on school property. If I did I'd be in trouble for it too. I don't think the school was that out of line or that they are being racist. My cousin got expelled for selling someone at school an airsoft gun.




Works Bomb
By half_duplex on 5/4/2013 7:07:51 PM , Rating: 2
It's a Works Bomb, plain and simple. Not a science project. If she isn't expelled for making a bomb, she should be sent to a different school for below average intelligence.

I made these things all through high school, except I put them on friends drive ways at 3 AM and sped away.




It does send a message..
By Scannall on 5/4/2013 10:34:58 PM , Rating: 2
It does send a message. If you have any way at all, remove your children from public schools. 'Zero tolerance' has turned into zero thought.




I guess.....
By dxf2891 on 5/6/2013 9:46:32 AM , Rating: 2
next we should convict kids who play with guns and shoots someone with murder. As a kid of the 70s, I was completely taken with chemical reactions (and to be honest, I caused a few unintended explosions in a vacant lot or two myself). What was the crime here? Detonating an explosive device? Happens every 4th of July. I think this will retard scientific curiosity in children. Kids are supposed to make mistakes and do foolish things (I guess no one in this group jumped their bike over a ramp unsupervised, or jumped off of a garage or any numerous things that we can now look back on and say they were foolish. Show of hands, how many of you were as mature at 16 as you are now?) They are children after all. As adults, aren't we supposed to correct them and guide them the correct way. I think expulsion and an arrest are a lot over the top in this post 9/11 society. I don't think Bin Laden's plan was to terrorize us with what could happen, but to make us all crazy enough to arrest children for stupid mistakes.




Paranoid society?
By vitp on 5/6/2013 2:15:28 PM , Rating: 2
Is paranoia of our society getting out of hands? There is fine line between curiosity and ill intend. We should not punish our kids for curiosity and interest to experimenting. Rather than that we should be helping them making it safely.




The fresh maker
By Cluebat on 5/6/2013 2:46:39 PM , Rating: 2

We need a National Mentos Registry.




Common sense
By Mathos on 5/6/2013 9:52:43 PM , Rating: 2
This isn't actually a bomb. If the chemical reaction occurred outside of a closed space, it wouldn't of blown up, or made a loud boom. It would of simply fizzled and put off a lot of white smoke like she said. , and the concentrated hydrochloric acid created would slightly ate whatever it was sitting on.

Considering I'm 35 and this is the first I've heard of it. I'd imagine someone got her to do it, saying it'd be cool.

Technically if this were a bomb, that would also mean you were making a bomb if you found a way to keep the cap on the bottle of diet cola while dropping a mentos into it.




UMMMM
By FUWAYFABC on 5/7/2013 3:38:48 PM , Rating: 2
Let me start by stating that I am a 70 year old white American male. That said, I would also like to call attention to the obvious bigotry that is being demonstrated in this article and in the comments to the article.
Point 1; No reputable news agency would ever publish the picture of a minor. PERIOD!!! If Kiera Wilmot was white would you have posted her picture? I seriousely doubt it. SHAME ON YOU, all news agencies involved.
Point 2 ; Without the picture prominently pointing out the fact the she is an African American. I dare say that 90% of the "I hate Kiera Wilmot" posters would not even have taken the time to post: after all, without proof of her ethnicity they would have no valid reason to hate her.
Point 3; She at least had the good sense and presence of mind to conduct the test outside and alone, thereby assuring that no property and no person, outside of herself, was in any danger. I commend her for this.
As an example of the rampant double standards prevalent in our wonderful Christian Society, just last week in my city (Las Vegas, NV) a group of kids of various ages broke into an empty house and vandalised it, played with and set off fireworks inside of it, were observed for several hours by adult neighbors as they were running in and out of the house (not one of which felt it necessary to check into or call the police). The end result of all of this was that they managed to burn the house to the ground, the death of one of the kids, a 7 year old boy, and a critically burned 10 year old boy. The wonderfully vigilant law enforcement agencies of our fair city deemed that NO CHARGES be filed against any of the involved parties, including their obviousely unconcerned parents.
Of course it goes without saying, All Those Involved Were White!!!!!




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Surprised...
By Totally on 5/8/2013 2:53:25 PM , Rating: 2
that no has played the race card yet.




By evo slevven on 5/9/2013 9:16:43 AM , Rating: 2
if we changed the situation where, in some alternate universe not ours, someone DID in fact get hurt then I'd say it be prudent that
1) the teenager would be expelled,
2) the school would not be considered "vile" for expelling her,
3) everyone would be posting "if you google this NO RESULTS COME UP AT ANY SHORT INTERVAL about either the merits of this or how this should be an experiment for chemistry
4) even chemistry teachers growing up have commented how this is a dumb thing to do and finally
5) there wouldn't be any "anti-authority" or "it's an experiment"t type of defense going on.

The fact that no one got hurt is a fortunate thing and I'm glad for that. It's funny how when no one gets hurt, we say one thing and another thing when blood and injury occurs. If someone told her to do this because it'd be fun for sh*t & giggles, it's just bad luck and her plus her friend shuld be BOTH expelled in all honesty. And in fairness if I was dumb enough to do this on the "good faith" of a friend, I'd would be content enough that I didn't loose any limbs or hurt anyone as a result and, more so, I'd be too embarrassed to go back to school for my own stupidity and ignorance.

All in all, the school can say it just has a zero-tolerance policy for acts of pure stupidity and ignorance and that's why she was expelled.




Federal Funding
By Schadenfroh on 5/4/2013 11:32:20 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
All 50 states adopted the laws in order to receive federal funding.


Thanks "interstate commerce" and the "federal income tax" for allowing the feds to take money from the residents of states and return a percentage to them after they agree to wave their 10th amendment rights to regulate their own children's education (and other matters).




definition
By Randomblame on 5/4/2013 9:47:46 PM , Rating: 1
The definition of weapon should be at the center of this conversation. This was not designed to do harm there was no intent to use it for that purpose therefore it was not a weapon. A no.2 pencil could be used as a weapon but it is not classified as one unless there is intent. The zero tolerance rule is fine as long as it is properly interpreted in this case they should reinstate her and apologize for being douchebags.




Not an accident
By rs2 on 5/5/2013 10:39:06 PM , Rating: 1
Either that, or a very dim science student.

Even if we ignore the fact that virtually every online source that describes the construction of the device clearly labels it a "bomb" and not a "smoke generation tool" and assume that the student 1) came up with the recipe herself and 2) somehow through her own independent research discovered the some toilet cleaners contain HCl and 3) decided to use that instead of the chemistry lab's supply of HCl, she's stupid for thinking that placing a chemical reaction that produces hydrogen gas inside of a closed container could do anything other than cause the container to rupture and spray acid on its immediate surroundings.

So she's very stupid. Or more likely, she's less stupid and fully intended the thing to explode, because that's what all the available instructions say it will do. The "accident"/"smoke machine" story is not believable at all.

That said, I think people should be able to build these "bombs" (and the slightly safer variants that use dry ice and water instead of acid and aluminium) without being labeled as terrorists/bomb-makers so long as they do it in a way that is safe and not disruptive to nearby people and property.




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