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Flash Based Zune Line Art  (Source: FCC)
Specifications on flash-based Zune leaked by FCC

There has been much talk online recently about the forthcoming Microsoft Zune 2.0 update that is expected any day now. While rumors were circulating about a flash-based Zune, little hard evidence was available other than nebulous statements like competitively priced and capacities similar to other offerings.

While there is still no official word from Microsoft on specifications for the new Zune line, some hard information came across the FCC exhibits today that sheds some light on the flash-based Zune devices. The juicy information about the flash-based Zune was not given thanks to a Microsoft Request for Confidentiality.

The information that was available from the FCC shows a line drawing of the flash based Zune along with labels for the devices labeled 4GB and 8GB. Some were hoping for a 16GB flash based Zune, but at launch it seems 16GB is not meant to be. There is still no word on pricing for the device, but if the line art is to scale, the flash-based Zune is very near the size of the old, skinny iPod Nano.



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no 16 GB!
By kmmatney on 10/2/07, Rating: -1
RE: no 16 GB!
By Brandon Hill (blog) on 10/2/2007 5:24:16 PM , Rating: 2
SanDisk has one.


RE: no 16 GB!
By Pirks on 10/2/2007 5:36:15 PM , Rating: 1
Creative has another


RE: no 16 GB!
By Pirks on 10/2/2007 6:40:54 PM , Rating: 1
Heck, I just bought myself a nice present - SanDisk Sansa View 16GB for mere $198 including shipping. Thanks Brandon, nice shot. Sorry Creative, you've been a very good MP3 player maker... in the past.


RE: no 16 GB!
By Omega215D on 10/2/2007 10:20:51 PM , Rating: 2
I haven't trusted SanDisk ever since I bought the Sansa e280 and I was pretty disappointed with the sound quality, mostly the custom EQ and lack of bass along with the choppy navigating. $200 for a 16GB makes me wary, so I decided on a Creative Zen 16GB for $250 since my D2 has not so much capacity even with an 8GB SD card.

I would like to hear from people who use the new Sansa View maybe I'll change my mind.


RE: no 16 GB!
By kmmatney on 10/2/2007 7:39:42 PM , Rating: 2
Link? Haven't found it at "reputable" web sites yet. Its still preorder on Amazon. Didn't see it at NewEgg or buy.com. Sounds like a great deal, though. WI did check out the Sansa before I bought my 8 GB Nano, but I thought the plastic wheel felt really cheap and would break too easily. I had best buy gift certificates, so price wasn't an issue.


RE: no 16 GB!
By Brandon Hill (blog) on 10/2/2007 7:44:30 PM , Rating: 2
$200 is the MSRP for the 16GB model. The 8GB model is $150.

http://www.sandisk.com/Corporate/PressRoom/PressRe...

quote:
SanDisk® Corporation (NASDAQ:SNDK), the second largest seller of MP3 players in the United States, today announced the new Sansa® View – a video MP3 player with a vast array of features and generous capacity, at an unbeatable price. The sleek-looking Sansa View marries the finest MP3 player attributes with full-motion video support (typically found in larger portable media players (PMPs)), a larger screen, long battery life and generous capacity—all in a thin, easy-to-carry package. Expected to be available in October, the Sansa View will carry a manufacturer’s suggested retail price of $199.99 MSRP* for a 16GB** flash-based player and $149.99 for the 8GB, far surpassing the competition with respect to value and price.


RE: no 16 GB!
By Pirks on 10/2/2007 9:46:16 PM , Rating: 1
You can grab it cheaper than $200 if you know how to use Google


RE: no 16 GB!
By Hieyeck on 10/2/2007 5:30:46 PM , Rating: 2
It's simple economics. The need to balance cost and marketability. If it's priced too high, people will complain about the price and it won't sell. If it's not high enough, they lose money on the sale of the product. Unlike the XBOX or other gaming consoles, there's no garaunteed revenue from further sales (such as MP3 sales from the MS store) since like all media players, they're open to accept content from anywhere. I'm sure MS marketing would love to be able to have a chance to sell 16GB or even 300GB flash based players. It's POSSIBLE, just prohibitively costly.


RE: no 16 GB!
By Brandon Hill (blog) on 10/2/2007 5:38:57 PM , Rating: 2
Doesn't seem THAT expensive to me:

SanDisk Sansa View 16GB costs $200
http://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-SDMX10R-016GK-A70-Sa...

It's only Apple that wants to charge you an arm and a leg:

iPod nano 8GB $199
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_e/102-0198509-32...


RE: no 16 GB!
By ChipDude on 10/2/2007 5:47:46 PM , Rating: 2
Apple is looking to make lots of margin on their player

SANDISK is in the business of moving more memory and making money on their core flash business and getting anything above that.

As such these two have very different end goal and margin goals targets too.

I am often lost how another 8GB makes a material difference you your daily listening experience. No question makes keeping your whole invetory on your player more convienient


RE: no 16 GB!
By kmmatney on 10/2/2007 7:30:32 PM , Rating: 2
an additional 8 GB makes a difference as I like to use my Ipod as a backup device as well as a music player. I have about 6 gigs of music on it, and about 2 GBs of files. You can buy cheap memory sticks for backups, but its nice having things all in one place, and a 16 GB system would allow me to have some serious backups. I also take better care of my Ipod than my memory sticks.


RE: no 16 GB!
By JeffDM on 10/2/2007 10:30:16 PM , Rating: 2
I'd understand if you wanted to put media on it, but a backup device that's at risk of getting stolen by a pickpocket when you're in public?

For backups, you are better off buying an external hard drive and keeping it in the closet while not backing up.

At any rate, for just music, I've managed to do OK with 1GB if I use a program to auto-rotate songs I've listened to, 4GB is pretty comfortable.


RE: no 16 GB!
By kmmatney on 10/2/2007 11:47:44 PM , Rating: 2
The other advantage of more space is being able to have music at higher bit rates.


RE: no 16 GB!
By ChipDude on 10/2/2007 5:47:47 PM , Rating: 1
Apple is looking to make lots of margin on their player

SANDISK is in the business of moving more memory and making money on their core flash business and getting anything above that.

As such these two have very different end goal and margin goals targets too.

I am often lost how another 8GB makes a material difference you your daily listening experience. No question makes keeping your whole invetory on your player more convienient


RE: no 16 GB!
By Hieyeck on 10/2/2007 5:59:32 PM , Rating: 2
Forseeable future, but for now, it might be they're looking to compete with comparable players first. Alas, with no price tag released yet, it's hard to speculate.

Furthermore, if there are any bugs with the new version, it's cheaper for MS to replace 4 and 8 GBs on warranty/recall. If they're like most other companies, they probably just send a replacement and keep the non-working one to debug/refurbish.


RE: no 16 GB!
By spluurfg on 10/2/2007 7:07:09 PM , Rating: 2
Seems a bit unfair, seeing how SanDisk is such a massive player in the flash memory market... Though I'm sure we're all willing to acknowledge that Apple charges a premium.


RE: no 16 GB!
By Brandon Hill (blog) on 10/2/2007 7:24:09 PM , Rating: 2
Life isn't fair, business isn't fair :)


RE: no 16 GB!
By spluurfg on 10/6/2007 5:07:48 AM , Rating: 2
An unfair comparison =P Of course I don't consider it unfair to be able to offer a similar product for less. Just that you can't call Apple nazis for having a higher memory cost.


RE: no 16 GB!
By hrah20 on 10/2/2007 9:24:50 PM , Rating: 2
(Though I'm sure we're all willing to acknowledge that Apple charges a premium.)

apple is the new sony !!!


RE: no 16 GB!
By ajfink on 10/2/2007 8:23:13 PM , Rating: 2
I would love a 16GB Flash-based Zune. I have a Zune 1.0 that I love, but I want something I can run with that's NOT an iPod and has good AAC support.


RE: no 16 GB!
By ryedizzel on 10/4/2007 3:02:33 AM , Rating: 2
I don't understand why the first post in this thread and rated down to -1.


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