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Adobe's fast new full-featured version of Flash is headed to the Google's G1 smart phone within "a few months" according to Adobe's top executives. Let the Flash ads with dancing monkeys commence.  (Source: Engadget)
Flash is around the corner for Google's G1 and Nokia's Symbian smart phones; Flash on Blackberries likely coming as well; Apple continues its apathy towards Adobe

The best selling phone in America, Apple's iPhone, could be the last of the smartphones to get Flash.  At a slew of press events over the last few days, Adobe unveiled a new version of mobile version of Flash -- a leaner, faster, smart phone-aimed version of Flash 10.  The new version is optimized for ARM processors like the one used in the iPhone.

Any smartphone with a 200 MHz or better processor and 16 MB of RAM should be able to run the new version of Flash, opening many phones up to the software.  A "completely capable [Web] browser" is also required, implying support of typical standards.

Previously, Flash was only available on a few smartphones via Flash Lite, a greatly stripped down version of the software. 
The Nokia N-series has it, and Verizon's LG EnV2 uses it to animate its home screen.  However, when it comes to Flash, most users are in the dark.  Thanks to a partnership with Qualcomm and ARM, Adobe plans to turn on a more full-featured version of Flash for many new users.

The new version will be available for phones running
Symbian, Android, and Windows Mobile, among other platforms.  Qualcomm BREW feature phones, such as the LG Voyager and Samsung Delve will also support the new product.  Steve Sprigg, Qualcomm SVP of engineering states, "We've integrated the tech in a way that allows a Flash developer to author a full-blown app for the BREW mobile platform … and they haven't written any [additional] code."

Google's G1 and future Android smartphones will likely soon be getting the update, either over the air or in Google's store, although no official release date has been announced.  Flash was demoed fully working on a T-Mobile G1 phone, though. 
Adobe's Anup Muraka adds, "It's our belief that you'll see an Android-based version of Flash in the coming months.  We've talked previously about Microsoft licensing Flash for use in Windows Mobile. We've been working closely with Nokia on getting it to work on the Symbian platform."

Mr. Muraka added that Adobe is in talks with Research In Motion about bringing Flash to Blackberries.

The addition will open up a new world of advertising possibilities for Google and others.  Flash apps will also be great asset as an animation and program platform tool.  Flash games or tools could be developed for smartphones, a seemingly intuitive match.

With all the Flash hoopla, the one party notably absent is Apple's iPhone.  Continuing its tradition of blocking features its customers want, Apple has blasted Flash saying that it will not support it in the foreseeable future.  Apple CEO Steve Jobs has stated that Flash "
performs too slow to be useful" on the iPhone.  Apple's software developers' agreement bans Flash by introducing a provision prohibiting third-party software from "launch[ing] other executable code".  This bans interpreters like Flash.

It seems like Flash and the iPhone would be a logical fit, but Apple doesn't think so.  Adobe has tried to woo Apple first with ARM-support upgrades and now with even more ARM-processor optimization.  The iPhone's processor clearly can support Flash, and can support it well, but Apple remains obstinate in its refusal to adopt the technology.


Some in the iPhone rebel community have taken it upon themselves to release an underground version of Flash.  Belgian university consultant Thomas Joos has developed a multimedia toolkit for the iPhone that enables Flash Lite, a clear violation of Apple's developer agreement.

As to things of an official nature, it appears Windows Mobile phones, Google's phone(s), and RIM smartphones are finally on the verge of getting Flash.  And it looks like the iPhone may be the last one left out of the Flash party, due to its own decision not to come, despite numerous invitations.



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About Damn Time
By Gzus666 on 11/18/2008 10:45:20 AM , Rating: 2
Finally, I hate going to pages on my G1 and getting no Flash. Annoys the piss out of me. Sucks to be an Apple user I guess, they exclude Flash in their little agreement.




RE: About Damn Time
By michael2k on 11/18/08, Rating: -1
RE: About Damn Time
By killerroach on 11/18/2008 12:30:05 PM , Rating: 5
quote:
The rest will fall in line sooner or later or be left out of the iPhone demographic


Funny, I thought the iPhone had Safari so that it could access "the whole internet, not the mobile internet or a stripped-down internet."

:)


RE: About Damn Time
By michael2k on 11/18/08, Rating: -1
RE: About Damn Time
By Gzus666 on 11/18/2008 12:48:44 PM , Rating: 3
HTML isn't the Internet either. The Internet is merely an inter-network, what someone does with it from there is their choice. It just so happens to be the biggest one so it gets a proper noun name of it's little brothers.

Once again, you are trying to defend Apple to the death for taking things from you.


RE: About Damn Time
By kinnoch on 11/18/2008 12:55:42 PM , Rating: 4
I'm pretty sure Flash is an important part of the internet.


RE: About Damn Time
By omnicronx on 11/18/2008 1:55:13 PM , Rating: 3
Flash is basically a requisite for Web 2.0, Michael is just trying to defend Apple as usual.. As great as the iPhone is, if other companies start releasing phones with Flash and Apple does not, I will probably never get an iPhone, and I don't think I am alone in saying this.


RE: About Damn Time
By Mojo the Monkey on 11/18/2008 6:46:25 PM , Rating: 2
You've got to be kidding me with this "Web 2.0" crap. I'm all for flash, but we [dailytech readers] are not 60 year old fuddie-duddie execs that need to be sold a bill of goods in order to rubber stamp extra company web development.

Haha. "Web 2.0 to the extreme!"


RE: About Damn Time
By Etsp on 11/18/2008 9:29:23 PM , Rating: 3
"Web 2.0" is a term that commonly refers to sites that are interactive and/or are composed of user-generated content, instead of static content posted by the site administrators... Something that wasn't feasible just a few years ago...

So, thinking of it in software development terms, Web 1.0 was the original product, that was enhanced and evolved over time, making it to maybe "Web 1.5" and "Web 2.0" was the addition of many new features and capabilities.


RE: About Damn Time
By Samus on 11/19/2008 2:37:04 AM , Rating: 3
quote:
I'm pretty sure Flash is an important part of the internet.


Ditto. It's like people don't even realize that the YouTube and MySpace framework was originally based on Flash.


RE: About Damn Time
By soydeedo on 11/18/2008 12:57:07 PM , Rating: 5
Yeah, man. Youtube is just a site with inane, random comments based on the big bold titles you see above that beautiful black box. What a magnificent centerpiece it is.


RE: About Damn Time
By michael2k on 11/18/2008 1:12:25 PM , Rating: 3
Um, I get the videos too. Click on the video, it downloads, and I watch.

It just isn't implemented in Flash.


RE: About Damn Time
By Yawgm0th on 11/18/2008 8:06:57 PM , Rating: 1
HTML isn't part of the Internet, either. The Internet is a series of connected networks. Routers, routing protocols, and IP addresses are the Internet. What runs on top of the Internet simply uses the Internet.

HTTP, or the World Wide Web, runs on top of the Internet, and utilizes a number of technologies. HTML and other markup languages are a big part. Flash and similar technologies are another part. Just because Flash isn't a markup language doesn't preclude it from being part of the Web.

Not that whether it is "part of the Internet" or "part of the Web" is really relevant. It's an important feature that users want -- and that Apple won't provide.


RE: About Damn Time
By omnicronx on 11/18/2008 1:52:58 PM , Rating: 5
BS Flash is one of the most wanted features of Apple users. Far more than those who are waiting for copy paste..

Lets face it Apple does not want to allow flash for one reason.. It would totally circumvent their App store. You would be able to get a flash version of pretty much anything you can make with Cocoa Touch.

Apple assumes that the youtube player is enough for the masses, and until another phone comes out with decent flash playback, (i have flashlite 3 on my WinMo phone and it still sucks) Apple won't release flash for the iPhone, even if Adobe has a working version.


RE: About Damn Time
By michael2k on 11/18/08, Rating: -1
RE: About Damn Time
By Gzus666 on 11/18/2008 12:02:41 PM , Rating: 2
Who would have guessed you would justify missing something as good?


RE: About Damn Time
By michael2k on 11/18/08, Rating: -1
RE: About Damn Time
By Gzus666 on 11/18/2008 12:45:55 PM , Rating: 2
I never once said Flash is "good". Having the choice to use it is. You are praising them making the choice for you. I don't use MMS, does that mean it shouldn't be there? I have not once used copy and paste on my G1, should it have been taken out? If you don't want it, don't use it, it is easily turned off. You are making excuses to defend Apple no matter what they do, that is why you are a fanboy.


RE: About Damn Time
By michael2k on 11/18/08, Rating: 0
RE: About Damn Time
By omnicronx on 11/18/2008 2:05:38 PM , Rating: 2
Its not more power intensive then playing games, or surfing the net with 3g. Flash also does not stay running all the time, so I don't know where you pulled that one from. My WinMo phone turns it on and off as needed, and I don't even think it stays in memory.
quote:
and does not add significantly to the experience.
Web 2.0 is heavily dependent on flash, do you realize how stupid you sound when you say it does not add to the experience? I already have Opera loaded with flashlite3 and it makes surfing many pages much better, what I want to know is how on earth would you even know if it adds to the experience if you have never seen it on a mobile device?


RE: About Damn Time
By niva on 11/18/2008 2:09:54 PM , Rating: 2
Your ignorance is demonstrated within the first two questions of your post. It's actually pretty funny, keep it up!


RE: About Damn Time
By michael2k on 11/18/08, Rating: 0
RE: About Damn Time
By Gzus666 on 11/18/2008 3:10:37 PM , Rating: 2
You don't use Flash? So you only go to Youtube on your phone? You are such a snake it is ridiculous. You literally lie in damn near every post but make it sound innocent.


RE: About Damn Time
By TheSpaniard on 11/18/2008 3:41:37 PM , Rating: 2
Apple guy pure and simple

what did I hear this called on this site once before... oh yea..

"Apple reality distortion field"

its copyrighted now: iReality


RE: About Damn Time
By NubWobble on 11/18/2008 9:33:47 PM , Rating: 2
He's only doing what he's been brainwashed to do. The iReality has taken over and he no longer sees the truth. The last thing the iFail is is innovative but the Apple crowd claim it is because it's the last thing they can cling on to while those who know better laugh at them.

I am off to play flash games on my Samsung phone.


RE: About Damn Time
By foolsgambit11 on 11/19/2008 8:14:30 PM , Rating: 1
I want my Homestar Runner.


RE: About Damn Time
By drzoo2 on 11/18/2008 12:19:02 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Who would have guessed you would justify missing something as good?


I seem to agree with you a lot. Anyway what is "Good" is to have a choice to install flash or not. Currently you don't. This is the reason Apple will not sell an I phone to me. My next Phone will be a smart phone. As it stands right now either an Android enabled or an N series. I don't need or want Apple's approval on what should run on my phone. Too bad. I love the interface and the design.
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RE: About Damn Time
By SoCalBoomer on 11/18/2008 2:29:13 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah, there you go - get iPhone traffic numbers from two Mac-heavy sites. Macworld and engadget. . . that's not skewed at ALL. . .

That would be like saying iPods aren't popular because www.anythingbutipod.com doesn't have them reviewed on their website and doesn't get much traffic from the iPhone or iTouch on it. . .


No to flash on iphone
By raghavny80 on 11/19/2008 12:17:36 AM , Rating: 2
Internet should be free of flash, silverlight and other proprietary stuff. I was so pissed off that there is'nt still any flash or silverlight for IE 64 bit that I decided to boycott websites which use these technologies (except youtube).

Anyway consumers do not know what they want; only Steve Jobs knows what consumers want on the iphone. I really hope Steve keeps flash away from iphone and forcing all web developers to move away from flash.




RE: No to flash on iphone
By highlandsun on 11/19/2008 3:12:20 PM , Rating: 2
Agreed. I don't use Flash on my laptops/desktop either; it's proprietary crap, the same as Acrobat Reader and other Adobe bloatware. It is antithetical to the otherwise open web, and I for one would prefer to see Flash die a miserable death.

I have a G1; I've disabled OTA updates on it and I certainly won't be installing Flash on it. I prefer my compute cycles and battery life to be used efficiently, not wasted on ads that I didn't want to see in the first place.


RE: No to flash on iphone
By Gzus666 on 11/20/2008 9:19:46 AM , Rating: 2
Then turn Flash off, no one would be forcing you to use it. Why would you disable OTA updates for the phone? I hope you plan on doing them on your own at least, cause they are closing security holes and speeding up the OS to boot with those. They also help with battery life, which you seem to be so concerned with.


Can they?
By Tritoon on 11/18/2008 10:19:16 AM , Rating: 2
I am just wondering: Can they make the menu's in Flash if the phone will support it? and maybe you can make you own templates and get ride of the boring classic menu...That would be awesome!




RE: Can they?
By amanojaku on 11/18/2008 10:56:33 AM , Rating: 2
What for? They can just make themes with the native GUI. It'll probably be faster, too, and it will definitely be less resource intensive. The longer a Flash app runs the more CPU and memory it takes up, and you'd want your iPhone to run a while for things like movies and music.


Is it actually a good idea though?
By psonice on 11/18/2008 11:13:31 AM , Rating: 2
I think whether this is a good or bad idea really hangs on how it's implemented. What would you really want flash for on a phone?

The only thing I miss is games and a few video sites (mainly vimeo). Would it be fast enough for that? (I'm assuming it would handle the video ok on at least some phones, but I'm doubtful about games..) If it's not fast enough, it's almost pointless.

The other problem would be all those adverts.. yeah, sure they're great for advertisers, but not so good for the rest of us. Especially if they're flash, made for fast desktops, and running on a phone.. I can see it locking the CPU at 100%, making everything else slow, and eating the battery. It would absolutely need something like 'click to play'.

If it's fast and doesn't play automatically, i'll take it. If mr. jobs allows it, as i have an iphone. If not.. well, it's no particular loss.




By Gzus666 on 11/20/2008 9:16:06 AM , Rating: 2
It doesn't matter, the choice should be there. Flash can easily be turned off. Argument destroyed.


IPhone or IJunk
By LazyApe on 11/18/2008 11:25:33 AM , Rating: 3
Well I purchased the IPhone 2.0 with hopes that it would be better than my BlackBerry 7130C. How wrong was I in its corporate e-mail capabilities and Cell Reception. I have also never seen such a company BASH Microsoft so much and then turn around and be the I Nazi’s for software developers for the IPhone. So much for freedom of programming without the constraints of Censorship via Apple. Never again will I purchase an Apple IPhone, when my contact is up I will happily trade it in for the BlackBerry again. Also with comments from Apple users I have never seen such complacency to a company as they are with Apple. I guess I will also stay forever a PC user because of that freedom or choice.




Wtf
By Saosin on 11/18/2008 2:51:59 PM , Rating: 3
Wtf is wrong with Apple (or should I say Steve Jobs?) Flash isn't complementary anymore, it's simply needed for the full internet experience... Give us Flash now!!




By pauldovi on 11/18/2008 10:22:21 AM , Rating: 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGcG5i5lzyU

Storm is going to be awesome.




Cool
By Hare on 11/18/2008 10:43:15 AM , Rating: 2
Nice to see real "Flash" coming to mobile devices but for the average person this isn't such a bid deal since Flash lite has been around for ages (at least on Nokia).




I don't want flash on my iPhone
By srijon on 11/18/2008 5:15:27 PM , Rating: 2
Other than video, 95% of Flash content is animated banner advertising. I don't need Flash ads in my Safari browser eating CPU and battery.

That rare real Flash app? If it uses rich media, it would always perform better written as a native app. If doesn't require rich media, why not use DHTML?

The whole purpose of Flash is to be platform-neutral. But what makes the iPhone so great is that all its apps are built specifically for it, taking full advantage of the accelerometers, multi-touch, input gestures, graphics hardware etc. Existing Flash apps were not designed for this and will be hard to use on an iPhone. Flash apps designed specifically for the iPhone will always be poor cousins to their native counterparts.

Which leaves video. For video, I would rather have a native app designed to play streaming video files than a general purpose Flash player. The YouTube app is a good example.




iphone the best selling?
By comc49 on 11/19/2008 12:34:04 AM , Rating: 2
is it really the best selling phone in america??




By foolsgambit11 on 11/19/2008 8:23:47 PM , Rating: 2
Just want you to remember this article the next time you're going to criticize Mick's Apple articles as totally biased.




Pure speculation and inuendo
By Shadowself on 11/18/08, Rating: -1
RE: Pure speculation and inuendo
By 306maxi on 11/18/2008 10:26:07 AM , Rating: 3
quote:
Apple has blasted Flash saying that it will not support it in the foreseeable future. Apple CEO Steve Jobs has stated that Flash "performs too slow to be useful" on the iPhone. Apple's software developers' agreement bans Flash by introducing a provision prohibiting third-party software from "launch[ing] other executable code". This bans interpreters like Flash.


I think this passage is what you're looking for. Sure it's not a statement from after Adobe's announcement but it is pretty strongly worded. If Apple do want to allow for Flash support if and when it works properly for their phone then they should say it like that.

More likely than anything Apple will release a new iPhone which will then support flash just to squeeze more cash out of their cult memb... erm I mean customers who will love them for it and say how great it is to have flash support and how mindblowingly cutting edge it is when others have been doing it for some time. Then we can add Flash support to the list of things like an accelerometer, touch screen support and a few other things that iPhone users think was first present on the iPhone before other phones started using it.


RE: Pure speculation and inuendo
By mmntech on 11/18/2008 11:03:19 AM , Rating: 2
You mean charge people for firmware updates like they did with the last iPhone. How chintzy is that? I kind of have a love/hate relationship with Apple. I love their products. They're innovative, easy to use, and of excellent quality. However, Apple does some really stupid things that manage to upset a lot of their users, such as the odyssey iPhone users have been put through. Myself included with that.
Since so much of the web is driven by Flash today, it's stupid to have any browser not support it, especially given the iPhone has plenty of horsepower to handle it.

Here's my list of iPhone demands
-Full Flash support, the latest version.
-Copy & paste for notes, email, and web
-Windows Media Audio support so I can listen to XM Radio Online and other web radio that uses WMA on it.
-I want this all for free since it should have been included in the first place.


RE: Pure speculation and inuendo
By 306maxi on 11/18/2008 11:16:01 AM , Rating: 2
Agreed. Having to pay for firmware updates is rubbish but strangely sh1t doesn't seem to stick to Apple. If Microsoft started charging for service pack type updates to XP and Vista or Nokia started charging for firmware updates for their phones there would be large scale condemnation but Apple gets away with it somehow.

I quite like my old black and white screen G4 iPod because aside from the fact that you need to use iTunes with it, it just does what it's meant to do and does it fairly well. So I'm not entirely against Apple products, just the ones which don't have all the features which they should have or that make you pay for things you get for free with other products.


RE: Pure speculation and inuendo
By michael2k on 11/18/2008 11:29:19 AM , Rating: 2
Huh? All my firmware updates were free. What are you talking about?


RE: Pure speculation and inuendo
By LazyApe on 11/18/2008 12:28:12 PM , Rating: 2
IPhone 1.0 to IPhone 2.0


RE: Pure speculation and inuendo
By michael2k on 11/18/2008 12:37:58 PM , Rating: 1
I got that for free. Several downloads in fact. 1.0 to 1.5 to 1.6 to 2.0 to 2.1, and now I'm waiting for 2.2!


By foolsgambit11 on 11/19/2008 8:21:06 PM , Rating: 2
Oh, I think he may be thinking about those people who were locked out when performing an update because they had unlocked their phones (contrary to their EULA). They had to pay a fee to get their phone working again, IIRC. Although it may be that they were initially charging and then stopped? I don't remember the details now.


RE: Pure speculation and inuendo
By blaktron on 11/18/2008 1:08:53 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah, it would actually be pretty tough to enable 3g on a device that does not have the network adapter just through a firmware update. I dislike apple as much as the next person, but insulting them through obvious lies is simply sinking to their level.


RE: Pure speculation and inuendo
By omnicronx on 11/18/2008 2:15:52 PM , Rating: 2
The best response is no response, why create backlash if they don't have too. It seems pretty obvious that Apple is not going to add flash until a competitor has a good working version. Until then they have no competition, and they can continue selling iphone apps like hotcakes. If people could play online flash games or apps for free how much do you think that would cut into sales? Allowing flash when their user experience is still ten fold ahead of the competition would be pretty much pointless.


By piroroadkill on 11/19/2008 9:15:31 AM , Rating: 2
Ten fold ahead? How can people say this?


RE: Pure speculation and inuendo
By captainBOB on 11/19/2008 9:44:14 AM , Rating: 2
Finally a comment without the rabid anti-apple retardedness this comment section stinks of.

Think about it from apple's standpoint if this fails, and theres always the possibility of that, then they have no problem.

and if it does succeed, the a simple software update can fix that, of course its up to wether job's ego can handle it.


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