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Fisker Karma
Karma hybrid sports sedan will be built by Valmet Automotive

Fisker Automotive announced that it is teaming up with Valmet Automotive in Finland to build its plug-in Karma hybrid sports sedan. Valmet has experience with sports cars; Motor Trend

reports that Fisker is the manufacturer for several Porsche models including the Cayman and Boxster.

Fisker Automotive says that the Karma will have an all electric range of 50 miles and that its full range will be 350 miles. Over its entire gasoline assisted 350 mile range, Fisker claims that the Karma can achieve a fuel economy rating of 100 MPG.

The Karma is a high-end hybrid sedan and Fisker expects to sell 15,000 of the cars annually, with more than half of the sales coming from Europe. That makes a European manufacturer for the Karma a good fit. Fisker does say that it has an American manufacturing facility it plans to use for future models.

Much like the Tesla Roadster that went into production in March, the Karma is an attractive hybrid with performance roots. Fisker says that the Karma can reach a top speed of 125 mph and can hit 60 mph in under six seconds.

Motor Trend says that it is estimated that 800 orders for the Karma have already been placed overseas and that 44 distributors have signed up here in America to sell the car. The Karma is expected to hit dealerships in America in Q4 2009 as a 2010 model and be available in Europe in early 2010.

DailyTech reported in January 2008 that the price for the Karma will be $80,000.

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What's the point?
By flyingrooster on 7/17/2008 2:55:24 PM , Rating: 2
If you're going to spend $80k on a car, you obviously have enough money not to care about the price of gas and MPG, especially when you can get a faster car, say a BWM M3 for a lot less. People looking for high MPG usually don't have this kind of bank.

RE: What's the point?
By Indianapolis on 7/17/2008 3:20:16 PM , Rating: 4
The "point" is that the technology should eventually trickle down as manufacturing methods improve and economies of scale come into play.

RE: What's the point?
By Solandri on 7/17/2008 3:47:18 PM , Rating: 4
Right. Too many people poo-poo the rich early adopters for "splurging" with their money on "toys", not realizing it's that early cash influx which makes later wide-scale low-cost production possible.

RE: What's the point?
By rudy on 7/20/2008 12:37:53 PM , Rating: 2
True plus electric cars can be made to accelerate faster then gas powered cars. Which makes it cool, also the simple fact it is a new car with a new drive system in will mean that many will be interested in buying it for the wow appeal which is what people buy sports cars for any way right? Sitting around talking to the chicks about the old BMW will not be as cool as telling them your ride is not only fast but green. You are sure to get laid.

RE: What's the point?
By OxBow on 7/17/08, Rating: -1
RE: What's the point?
By masher2 on 7/17/2008 6:29:04 PM , Rating: 5
> "The idea that this tech will be funded by the well heeled and that it'll eventually trickle down to the masses is bull..."

You're right. Those $6,000 personal computers didn't eventually trickle down into $500 PCs anyone could afford.

Those $5,000 car phones didn't eventually trickle down into cell phones given away free with an account.

Those $75,000 custom-installed big screen TVs didn't trickle down into $1500 units sold in department stores.

Those $5,000 fax machines and laser printers didn't trickle down into models any home office can afford.

Those $10,000 portable GPS units didn't trickle down into $100 models people can stick on their dashboard.

You're right. Technology never trickles down.

RE: What's the point?
By Silver2k7 on 7/17/2008 7:01:00 PM , Rating: 3
yeah your right not those $10,000 1x CD-ROM burners either ;)

RE: What's the point?
By DeepBlue1975 on 7/17/2008 7:07:32 PM , Rating: 2
I remember when landline telephones were only for the rich...
Well, I remember my grandparents telling me about it :D

RE: What's the point?
By nah on 7/18/2008 12:42:21 PM , Rating: 2
Actually the first CD-Writers cost USD 149,000 and couldn't even do data--for that you had to add a 14,000 USD contraption--this was way back in 1988

RE: What's the point?
By Indianapolis on 7/17/2008 7:29:33 PM , Rating: 4
Wow. You just blew my mind. I never imagined using the word "trickle" would inspire someone to go on an anti-Bush rant. And it certainly wasn't my intention to "trickle" on anyone.

Your arguments aside, this is a well-established pattern in the automotive (and most any) industry. For example, safety features such as an electronic stability system and side impact airbags that were formerly found on upper-end model automobiles are now available on lower-end models as well.

RE: What's the point?
By phxfreddy on 7/17/2008 3:22:51 PM , Rating: 5
Going through Richy Rich's Brain - I am bored of this global warming thing....its gone out of style. Next crisis please! This one does not match my shoes.

Going through logical nonreligious engineers brain: Global Warming is a farcical con however on the other hand early adopters pay for the development that bring new developments to mass market. Maybe if we do not send 700 billion out of the country every year for oil the dollar collapse will stop.

RE: What's the point?
By Frallan on 7/18/2008 4:42:08 AM , Rating: 2
Ppl with that sort of money sometimes also have a brain and think about what they are doing from diffrent perspectives. Such as an enviromental perspective. They are also the ppl that can affor to buy green and thereby creating economy of scale that allows the tech to trickle down to normal consumers.

Its usually ppl without money that think like u posted.

RE: What's the point?
By FITCamaro on 7/20/2008 8:50:06 AM , Rating: 2
The majority of people with that kind of money who care about their gas mileage are normally celebrities trying to get on camera.

RE: What's the point?
By juuvan on 7/18/2008 4:48:06 AM , Rating: 2
well now there is a more economical and environmental friendly way to get rid of your excess money.

BTW for reference, due to the CO2 based taxtation the BMV M3 would set you back 110000€, roughly $175000, here in Finland. The Karma would probably be a lot cheaper here compared to the M3.

RE: What's the point?
By mmcdonalataocdotgov on 7/18/2008 11:04:10 AM , Rating: 2
I think you overlook your assumption that just because someone can afford a pricey car, that they don't care about anything else. Perhaps you are showing us your own bias. I can afford a BMW 5 Series, but I drive a Camry Hybrid bacause it is good for everyone. I can afford $4 per gallon for gas, but now I only have to burn half of what I normally might. This puts the US in a better security position, saves resources, prevents burning polluting fuels, and helps keep demand down so that costs don't continue to go up and lock out those who can't afford $4 per gallon. At least I am doing something.

RE: What's the point?
By Mojo the Monkey on 7/18/2008 12:41:06 PM , Rating: 2
heck, I think its worth it for the exotic looks and origin. You cant really go around peeling out under 5 seconds at every stop light anyways.

RE: What's the point?
By Enoch2001 on 7/18/2008 1:57:06 PM , Rating: 2
Just because you're rich doesn't mean you don't care about efficiency. Freak'n 100mpg and 60mph @ 6 seconds is a good car no matter which way you slice it. Save some fossil fuels and speed around in a sleek sports car? Who wouldn't want that?

Well if you can't get a cheap hybrid....
By Smartless on 7/17/2008 2:47:27 PM , Rating: 2
Make a fricken luxury one.

RE: Well if you can't get a cheap hybrid....
By FITCamaro on 7/17/2008 2:57:03 PM , Rating: 2
Well at least all the rich people out there who can actually afford an $80,000 car can feel better about themselves when they're not driving their Hummer.

RE: Well if you can't get a cheap hybrid....
By dsx724 on 7/17/2008 3:25:26 PM , Rating: 2
Yet, those same people would never be caught dead in a $40,000 Hummer. More like a 7 series. Its too easy to blame the rich for all the world's problems.

By eyebeeemmpawn on 7/17/2008 4:05:10 PM , Rating: 3
Pretty sure meant a real hummer.

"In 2006,the suggested retail price was $129,399.00 for the open-top; the wagon was $140,796.00." -wikipedia

RE: Well if you can't get a cheap hybrid....
By headbox on 7/17/2008 3:50:15 PM , Rating: 5
Most people I've seen driving Hummers are middle-class people living beyond their means. They have expensive SUVs while renting an apartment. That's LA.

By Polynikes on 7/17/2008 4:03:30 PM , Rating: 5
That's everywhere.

By Mutz1243 on 7/24/2008 4:41:06 PM , Rating: 2
At least they aren't driving around in Hummers, Benzs, BMWs, etc., and living in homeless shelters.

By phxfreddy on 7/17/2008 3:17:29 PM , Rating: 3
Get your papel dispensations ...get your papel dispensations..... 1 for a buck ....2 for 3 dollars.

With that color...
By MrBlastman on 7/17/2008 2:46:01 PM , Rating: 2
That car looks hot!

I wonder how much it weighs and what the weight distribution on it will be like? Maybe we'll get lucky and it'll be close to 50/50 with the Curb weight somewhere around the 2700 - 3050 mark at most. I doubt it - but we can dream. It'd be one sexy looking Auto-X taxi.

0-60 in just under 6 is pretty zippy but not supercar peformance... So the 80k price tag is slightly disappointing. At 100 mpg though with fuel assist - not shabby at all. I'm assuming it uses a similar fuel is used for the generator concept we are seeing in other hybrids now.

RE: With that color...
By dubldwn on 7/17/2008 4:00:03 PM , Rating: 2
I like it to. I’d be nice to pay $800-900/mo. to lease one. Too bad my apartment spot doesn’t have a plug. The profile is sexy as hell, and I’d get one before a Tesla. This car looks much more substantial.

It’s definitely RWD, and the battery is center mounted for weight distribution.

RE: With that color...
By DeepBlue1975 on 7/17/2008 7:05:57 PM , Rating: 2
It is supercar performance if you think that this puppy can do 0-60 < 6" and then continue to climb to 125mph.... With ONLY ONE GEAR (the article doesn't say it, nor can I find it on the net, but most electric cars work with no gearbox) :D

How many cars do you know that can reach 125mph on 1st gear? :D

RE: With that color...
By MrBlastman on 7/18/2008 7:55:50 AM , Rating: 2
Well, that is very true. After I read the article I searched the net for a few minutes trying to find any engineering details on the car and couldn't find anything. :(

In only one gear is quite impressive - but - you also have to remember that electric motors generally produce far more torque than a typical gasoline engine which will allow this.

FYI most entry-level supercars get up to say 60 - 70 mph in 1st, where your average regular man's speed demon will get up to 25 - 38 in 1st, so yeah, not too bad. I'd love to know more specifics such as weight etc.

RE: With that color...
By freaqie on 7/18/2008 8:24:45 AM , Rating: 2
it's not meant to be a supercar only...
the fact that it is not makes it attractive to me.
it has good milage and good performance...
i like the combinaion more then one or the other.

ps electric engines work different from gas angines so
"How many cars do you know that can reach 125mph on 1st gear?"
does not apply.

RE: With that color...
By FITCamaro on 7/20/2008 8:56:29 AM , Rating: 2
FYI. Supercar territory is in the 4 second range for 0-60 or faster. The 6 second range is for sporty sedans with around 300hp.

RE: With that color...
By Drexial on 7/18/2008 9:56:39 AM , Rating: 2
I wouldn't consider 80k Super car performance. More M5, AMG range. super cars generally start at a minimum of $125k (unless you consider the Corvette and Viper)

RE: With that color...
By MrBlastman on 7/18/2008 11:45:37 AM , Rating: 2
I'd definitely consider the new Vette and Viper contenders. You get a heck of a lot of bang for your buck with the latest vettes. They handle like a dream, have incredible acceleration and reduce the fishtailing tendency quite a bit from the last generation.

I'd be insulted to own this car here and it be associated with AMG or M5 (but I hate bimmers and mercedes so I'm a little biased... even Lexus for that matter).

By DefyingxGravity on 7/18/2008 5:38:51 PM , Rating: 2
Why does this have such a higher MPG rating than most non-sports cars? Is it because of the electric motor? If so, and it's so simple to make such a jump, why not just replace all motors with electric versions and simply have them powered by a gas engine.

By juuvan on 7/23/2008 4:44:58 AM , Rating: 2
that's more or less how the Karma works. The ICE optimal efficency is limitted to very narrow rev band and in order to make the ICE driveable, manufacturers need to make a compromise between the efficency and the overall performance. With the electric motors the ICE can be run on it's optimal rev band continously and by the means of regenerative breaking, the kinetic energy which normally is wasted as heat through the brake discs, is harvested and stored back to the battery pack.

By Hare on 7/17/2008 3:55:34 PM , Rating: 3
Valmet has experience with sports cars; Motor Trend

reports that Fisker is the manufacturer for several Porsche models including the Cayman and Boxster.

Is it Dailytech or Motor Trend that makes these errors? It's Valmet who manufactured the Porches, not Fisker...

Even the paragraph break is in the wrong place :/

They should name it .....
By phxfreddy on 7/17/2008 3:24:56 PM , Rating: 2
The model name should be FISKULA

Bigger than it looks
By Falloutboy on 7/17/2008 3:45:57 PM , Rating: 2
Saw this at the last NA auto show. Very nice looking car in person but its alot bigger than the pictures make it look. Would say this is more comparable to a 6 series in size. Seems much more useable and practicle than the tesla roadster as well.

Neat feature I thought was using the onboard generator to boost voltage to achieve those performance numbers as well as charge batteries

This car has bumper lips.
By LatinMessiah on 7/17/2008 6:55:56 PM , Rating: 2
How cute.

Funny thing about this car
By DeepBlue1975 on 7/17/2008 7:10:29 PM , Rating: 2

We already knew that the $80,000 Fisker Karma electric car may make it into production in 2009, complete with a whole bunch of lithium batteries and a small gas-powered engine (designed to work only in case of emergency). What we didn't know is that instead of being silent, the car will be fitted with speakers inside and out to blast fake engine sounds. And yes, it gets worse.

According to Henrik Fisker, head of the company, by fake engine sounds it means real, gruff, user-selectable engine sounds. One will apparently sound ''like something between a Formula One car and a jet plane," which should certainly be enough to keep unwary pedestrians leaping for the sidewalk as you roar toward them.

Let's hope there's a silent option and that not many morons buy it.


PS: Am I the only one finding the front end of this car a bit too much reminiscent to a Z8 BMW?

By MrBowmore on 7/18/2008 5:17:34 AM , Rating: 2
Fisker the CS-player? This is even worse than FaTality-keyboards, soundcards and the like!

*Intended to be brought down by non sarcastic punters*

By A5un on 7/18/2008 6:52:53 PM , Rating: 2
Tesla Motor claims that Fisker "stole" technical knowledge from them or something like that. Check it out on CAR magazine.

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