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MSI's NX7600GT

The bigger NX7900GT
HDCP Compliant 7600GT and 7900GTs in time for HD-DVD and Windows Vista

ATI has received a lot of bad press in the past for claims of HDCP compliancy when its X1000 series of graphics cards lacked it. This enraged a group of users filed a class action law suit against ATI. NVIDIA was in a much better position as it is a chip manufacturer and doesn’t make its own boards nor was there HDCP compliancy advertised all over product boxes and manufacturer websites.  While ATI and NVIDIA GPUs have support for HDCP, a separate chip that stores decoding keys is required to output a fully HDCP compliant video signal.

Since the whole ordeal of HDCP compliancy started, add-in board manufacturers are beginning to add HDCP decoding keys to products. One of the manufacturers with HDCP compliant cards on display at Computex 2006 is MSI. MSI has two NVIDIA based HDCP compliant cards on display -- a 7900GT and 7600GT. Both cards boast dual DVI output and HDCP compliance but it’s unknown if both DVI outputs can output an HDCP compliant signal or if only one output is compliant.



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Doesn't look THAT great
By plundstedt on 6/7/06, Rating: 0
RE: Doesn't look THAT great
By DigitalFreak on 6/7/2006 3:43:09 PM , Rating: 4
LOL! It's an Nvidia based card.


RE: Doesn't look THAT great
By rrsurfer1 on 6/7/2006 3:43:56 PM , Rating: 4
Way to read the article. Those are Nvidia cards.


RE: Doesn't look THAT great
By Mclendo06 on 6/7/2006 3:44:32 PM , Rating: 2
Last I checked, ATI didn't have any models with 7900GT in them. But then again I don't recall ever seeing a red nVidia card. I know it's up to the card manufacturers to decide what color to make the PCB, but why choose red on an nVidia card. It's just confusing!


RE: Doesn't look THAT great
By Scabies on 6/7/2006 4:00:02 PM , Rating: 2
Easy mistake, one would typically think ATI in the presence of such redness. These are indeed Nvidia cards.


RE: Doesn't look THAT great
By Trisped on 6/7/2006 4:01:51 PM , Rating: 2
You guys can make fun of him all you want, but it is the manufactures fault. ATI boards are always read, NVIDIA's are usually green or blue or black. As soon as I saw the red boards I though DailyTech had put up the wrong pictures.


RE: Doesn't look THAT great
By Brainonska511 on 6/7/2006 4:15:00 PM , Rating: 2
MSI is just a fan of the red PCB.


RE: Doesn't look THAT great
By bob661 on 6/7/2006 4:34:24 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
ATI boards are always read,
I don't usually READ video cards.


RE: Doesn't look THAT great
By InternetGeek on 6/7/2006 4:16:24 PM , Rating: 2
There has to be a law that prevents an add-in maker causing all this mental pain.


RE: Doesn't look THAT great
By Assimilator87 on 6/7/2006 4:24:07 PM , Rating: 1
Gainward has been using red PCBs on and off for years and they're strictly an nVidia supporter.


RE: Doesn't look THAT great
By bob661 on 6/7/06, Rating: 0
What is this for?
By Slaimus on 6/7/2006 6:09:28 PM , Rating: 2
What does HDCP have anything to do with your graphics cards? Why would you need to copy protect the images on your screen? If you are playing a movie, your playback software needs the decoding keys, not the graphics card.

The only case I can think of is if you have an monitor or TV hooked up to the DVI that will not accept images unless they are HDCP. Do devices like that exist?

Unless you are somehow streaming the protected data directly off the HD-DVD, bypassing your system, and going directly to the TV via your graphics card would you need your graphics card to support HDCP.

Can someone clarify this for me?




RE: What is this for?
By bob661 on 6/7/2006 6:24:43 PM , Rating: 2
Apparently, Vista only lets you view HD content when using a HDCP compliant monitor/video card.


RE: What is this for?
By Xavian on 6/7/2006 7:15:59 PM , Rating: 2
i believe thats only if the HD-DVD movie has the Image Constraint Token, if this is not on the disc it will play normally without the need for HDCP.

Since ICT is on hold till 2010, id say theres no rush to get a HDCP supported video card (since most replace their cards pretty often)


RE: What is this for?
By Xavian on 6/7/2006 7:16:42 PM , Rating: 2
sorry HD-DVD or Blu-Ray.. heh freudian slip there :)


RE: What is this for?
By smilingcrow on 6/7/2006 6:47:42 PM , Rating: 2
The whole point of HDCP is end to end copy protection, so the hardware has to support it from the VGA card to the monitor or from the Blu-ray player to the Plasma TV etc. There are get outs (ICT) for analogue HD outputs, but they are implemented at the media level and even though there’s a lot of noise at the moment about ICT being switched off initially, there’s nothing stopping the studios from changing their minds at any time about this.


RE: What is this for?
By Xavian on 6/7/2006 7:19:30 PM , Rating: 2
ther problem is studios will include copy portection along with the ICT eventually, which is just way over the top, also since no-one rips movies directly via the DVI port, but instead the ripping software acts like a player, using decryption algorythms created by DVD-Jon, to copy the movie while the movie plays at very high speed.


Nice but no longer necessary
By segagenesis on 6/7/2006 4:33:10 PM , Rating: 3
Since Image Constraint Token being on hold is no longer a reason to even need HDCP, this is a feature for having just because you can have it. Yes, we have to secure the data path to the monitor because those darn pirates all along were using DVI signals to copy movies *rolls eyes*.





RE: Nice but no longer necessary
By yzkbug on 6/7/2006 4:38:18 PM , Rating: 3
HDCP is dead!!! Amen.


RE: Nice but no longer necessary
By bob661 on 6/7/2006 5:43:58 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Yes, we have to secure the data path to the monitor because those darn pirates all along were using DVI signals to copy movies *rolls eyes*.
LOL! Yeah. The first time I heard of pirating movies from the DVI connector was from some HDCP article. Never knew anyone would do it that way. These people are TRULY clueless when it comes to technology.


HDCP nVidia cards have existed...
By CZroe on 6/8/2006 11:56:53 AM , Rating: 2
Even according to Anandtech articles, HDCP nVidia cards have existed, just not for individual sale. For instance, IIRC, the HDMI-equipped Sony XL1 Digital Living System Media Center PC (NOT billed as a Vaio) with some-hundred disc DVD changer has a HDMI equipped nVidia 6600 that many claim is HDCP compliant.




By CZroe on 6/8/2006 11:57:06 AM , Rating: 2
Oh, and it's kinda old.


Nvidia isn't in the green
By LoogieXX on 6/8/2006 5:28:38 AM , Rating: 3
Nvidia got away with murder. Not many people noticed. They advertised HDCP on chips yes. And they did nothing when they knew board manufactures incorrectly advertised the specs under their products... Shame on them




By hstewarth on 6/7/2006 4:05:35 PM , Rating: 2
I am curious if these are new cards - or same as one on there sites - by name on the card - they sound the same.

Anybody know when available.




Slack arses
By smilingcrow on 6/7/2006 4:32:01 PM , Rating: 2
About bloody time I say. With films released on HD-DVD discs already into double figures and Blu-ray promised for whenever the lawyers can stop squabbling, we all need a HDCP VGA card NOW. But seriously, why has it taken so long for this to happen? HDCP is not exactly new. HD-DVD & Blu-ray standards may be a moving target, but HDCP has been available in TVs for seemingly ages. This smacks of laziness. As long as all PCs that ship with HD optical drives support HDCP, I don’t suppose it’s gonna actually kill anybody.




Enough already
By cochy on 6/7/2006 6:11:41 PM , Rating: 2
Show me some next-gen DX10 GPUs already! I can't be the only one who's waiting for these before purchasing a new pc.




This just in:
By bersl2 on 6/7/2006 9:32:21 PM , Rating: 2
HDCP is still a trap.




LABELS
By peternelson on 6/8/2006 9:27:53 AM , Rating: 2

Good that some truly HDCP functional cards now exist.

However, it's still impossible to tell just looking.

We NEED some BIG FAT GREEN LABEL saying "REALLY TRULY HDCP ENABLED" on any equipment that is, and a FAT RED LABEL saying "don't touch this kit with a bargepole" for those cards that still aren't containing the keys.

This should be made mandatory in the interests of the consumer.




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