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Chevy Volt
130 Chevrolet Volts are going to select U.S. markets; first production model up for auction

The Chevrolet Volt represents one of the most important launches of General Motors' long history. The vehicle represents an important milestone bridging the past (internal combustion engines) and our eventual future (electric propulsion) when it comes to automotive transportation, and has already nabbed "Car of the Year" awards from Automobile and Motor Trend.

GM has announced that the Volt is now shipping to dealerships in select parts of the country – California, New York, Texas, Washington, D.C. – albeit in limited numbers. GM is only expecting to deliver 160 vehicles this week.

"Today is a historic milestone for Chevrolet," remarked Tony DiSalle, Volt marketing director. "We have redefined automotive transportation with the Volt, and soon the first customers will be able to experience gas-free commuting with the freedom to take an extended trip whenever or wherever they want."

In addition to Volts that are heading to dealerships, the very first Volt to roll off the assembly line is currently up for auction. Proceeds from the sale of the vehicle will go to the Detroit Public Schools Foundation -- at this moment, the high bid for the vehicle is a whopping $185,000. The auction ends later today.

The Chevy Volt is powered by 149hp (273 lb-ft torque) electric motor which provides 35 miles of fossil fuel-free driving courtesy of its 16 kWh lithium-ion battery pack. A 1.4-liter gasoline engine kicks in at the point to recharge the battery pack and provide additional power to the front wheels (under certain circumstances). The Volt has a maximum driving range of 375 miles.

When it comes to pricing, the Volt won't come cheap. It is priced at $41,000 before a $7,500 federal tax credit.



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Volt will be a sellout
By cjc1103 on 12/14/2010 8:40:46 AM , Rating: 2
In spite of the clueless naysayers, GM will sell all the Volts they can produce. GM is staking a lot on the Volt for their future, and a lot of engineering and testing went into it. Also all the reports I have read say pre-production cars were outstanding; Motor Trend and Automobile don't give their "Car of The Year" awards to shoddily built cars. The only fly in the ointment is the technology is very expensive, and reportedly GM is still losing money on each one, even at $41,000 each. Considering they are relying on the federal tax credit to sell them, so we'll see how successful they are in the market when the tax credit expires.




RE: Volt will be a sellout
By Dr of crap on 12/14/2010 10:54:27 AM , Rating: 2
You accutally believe they are not making money on a product they are selling after having gone through bankrupty?
I have some swamp land to sell you.

Or is the govt making up the profit to GM and then giving a tax break to the buyer as well... hmmmm!


RE: Volt will be a sellout
By mmcdonalataocdotgov on 12/14/2010 11:24:04 AM , Rating: 3
C'mon. Motor Trend cars of the year have included the Vega, Citation!, Mustang II!, Dodge Omni!, Chrysler K cars!, Chrysler Cirrus, Lincoln LS, Dodge Caravan, PT Cruiser. I think they DO give this award to shoddily built cars. You just don't know they are shoddy until a couple years in. That is data that MT doesn't have right now. I would say only a very few of their winners have aged well (for the expected lifetime of the car, not until today.)


RE: Volt will be a sellout
By phantom505 on 12/14/2010 11:46:38 AM , Rating: 2
I always thought of "Car of the Year" Awards akin to Time "Man of the Year" which may not be a man, and may not be good.... simply one that was in the news a lot.

All of those cars you listed were in the news a lot the year of their release.

Saddam was Time's Man of the Year, as was bin Laden. Didn't exactly mean they were great people.


RE: Volt will be a sellout
By kattanna on 12/14/2010 12:45:58 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
In spite of the clueless naysayers


LOL

quote:
GM will sell all the Volts they can produce.


quote:
reportedly GM is still losing money on each one, even at $41,000 each Considering they are relying on the federal tax credit to sell them


and for the closer...

quote:
we'll see how successful they are in the market when the tax credit expires


glad to see you yourself dont even fully believe your own hype.

a company cannot sell all it can make of something if it is selling at a loss.

and at $41,000 for a new car, that is out of reach for a great many people, even without being in a deep recession like we are now.


RE: Volt will be a sellout
By The0ne on 12/14/2010 3:31:37 PM , Rating: 1
Yea, I read about the car of the year Volt in several US magazines. I couldn't help laughing so hard in the bookstore people turned to stare at me. I showed those interested the Volt, of course, and they just went back to their own things. A few shared so lighter laughter and smiles with me.

Was the best laugh I had in years.


RE: Volt will be a sellout
By Jedi2155 on 12/14/2010 4:23:19 PM , Rating: 2
Laugh all you want as it is your opinion just like how a ton of people laugh at the design of the Prius yet continues to be a smash hit.

The true test will be GM's ability to make some profit out of it and continue to be a sellout. That they'll be able to leverage the technology onto other platforms as I have a realistic expectation that I don't think this single vehicle alone will ever be able recoup the development costs but rather the start of a new family of vehicles.

I'm seriously considering at leasing the 1st generation as it seems reasonably priced at $350/month for 12000 miles. Of course they're all sold out so I will have to wait...


Piece of american useless #*$*
By virusul on 12/14/10, Rating: 0
RE: Piece of american useless #*$*
By gregpet on 12/14/2010 11:08:38 PM , Rating: 2
You, sir, are an idiot.

This car is a game changer. Just because you don't get it doesn't make it not true...

This ISN'T about getting 50, 60, 70MPG this car is about NOT using ANY gas AT ALL! Since most people drive a max of 40 miles per day - you may never use ANY gas during normal commutes.

PLEASE stop it with the idiotic comparisons to ICE cars. And also don't compare it to a Prius since it starts using gas as soon as you get over 15 MPH.

AND I don't want to hear about the new plug-in Prius because it is going to cost $36,000 and only go about 15 miles pure EV...

Do some research. Google is really easy to use...


By Dr of crap on 12/15/2010 3:13:15 PM , Rating: 2
Well you sir are an idiot too.
This car is in no way a "game changer"
You can go on about all the marketing mumbo that Chevy has sprewed out and has YOU beliving - It's just a hybrid.
And for the record - I drive over 40 miles a day to commute!

Also this morning when it was 0°F, I'm sure not going to go 40 miles on battery power.

Let agree to SEE IF IT WILL SELL.
After all that will prove if it's a GOOD buy or not. Doesn't matter what's inside, will it sell?


RE: Piece of american useless #*$*
By mindless1 on 12/16/2010 3:35:17 AM , Rating: 2
lol, yes it is certainly a game changer to feel the need to avoid going any great distance in your car lest you consume a few pints of that EVIL EVIL GASOLINE.

It would be ridiculous not to compare it to ICE cars since you are choosing one or the other to purchase and use (unless you're a quaker).

It would be idiotic to arbitrary decide you can't compare it to ICE cars just because you built up this imaginary idea in your head that using no gas is THAT important for US passenger vehicles.

Go ahead and pat yourself on the back though, if we manage to reduce our dependence on oil by a very small percent (you do know how to use google to find out that we aren't using most of the oil in consumer automobiles, right?) while we greatly increase our dependence on foreign lithium, burn up coal and other resources creating electricity, have to redo the entire power grid to support charging them, and find out in the end that it was a wash except one way costs a lot more than the other in real money rather than ill founded feel good sentiments.


By AstroGuardian on 12/15/2010 7:46:08 AM , Rating: 2
Hey 1,4l diesels with 80bhp are history. You drunk mate? Cause if you are not drunk you are **** like hell.


Still...
By AstroGuardian on 12/14/2010 5:42:20 AM , Rating: 2
Still not delighted by the Volt. Will wait for Volt to show its true characteristics...




RE: Still...
By stimudent on 12/14/2010 8:22:55 AM , Rating: 1
First batch of Chevy volts heading to dealerships...with the usual poor quality issues that Chevy is so famous for.


RE: Still...
By AstroGuardian on 12/15/2010 7:43:09 AM , Rating: 2
Poor quality? Hmm... no wonder you have been voted down.


RE: Still...
By YashBudini on 12/15/2010 11:01:54 PM , Rating: 1
Yeah well a few years of owning anything painted by GM will surely crush any enthusiasm for the car. A healthy dose of reality does that to dreamers.


Echo
By adiposity on 12/14/2010 2:39:35 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
The Chevrolet Volt represents one of the most important launches of General Motors' long history.

The vehicle represents an important milestone bridging the past


I think I remember something from English class about not repeating verb and adjective use in back-to-back sentences. It makes it sound like you have a limited vocabulary.




RE: Echo
By mindless1 on 12/16/2010 4:10:19 AM , Rating: 2
... or it could be literary style, that you repeat words to drive home an idea, that you are restating essentially the same thing for those who didn't get it the first time.

However, you should not have been taught what you claim in English class because it is not improper English to do so... and it's very rude and antisocial to nitpick what someone else writes to this extend, similar to if someone criticizes you in public for the way you walk, talk, part your hair, etc.

Take a break and get out around real people, m'k?


RE: Echo
By adiposity on 12/16/2010 6:04:06 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
However, you should not have been taught what you claim in English class because it is not improper English to do so


No, it is not (by the way, it was not a hard and fast rule, but just a suggestion for improving one's style). But, in English class, they do teach more than just grammar. They teach writing, for one. Part of writing is learning to express your ideas in effective ways.

Now, it may indeed be a "style" to repeat yourself, hoping that people will get the point. But this brings up another point, that you can repeat an idea without using the same vocabulary. This has the added advantage of giving the reader two ways to absorb the idea, in case one doesn't stick.

When writing myself, I notice that I sometimes have the tendency of reusing words I recently used or read. It's not deliberate, but just occurs because those words are present in my mind. By being aware of this, you can use other words and write something that is less jarring to the reader (avoiding the sensation of "didn't I just read this sentence?").

Anyway, thank you for your input. I still feel the lesson I learned in my 7th grade English class has some merit. Varying usage does produce a more readable result.


First Year
By btc909 on 12/14/2010 10:23:58 AM , Rating: 2
I too see a first year sellout. After that, especially when the tax credit runs out, it'll flop.




RE: First Year
By Jedi2155 on 12/14/2010 12:09:51 PM , Rating: 2
The hope is that they'll find significant cost savings in the design by the time the tax credit runs out.


Yeah
By Paj on 12/14/2010 11:52:19 AM , Rating: 2
You guys are right. It makes far more sense for GM to make the same sort of car they have been making for years, with nothing new to differentiate them from other cars on the market. Innovation only leads to higher costs!




RE: Yeah
By mindless1 on 12/16/2010 3:37:14 AM , Rating: 2
Actually, yes. Getting from point A to B hasn't changed in recent years. On the other hand the cost to do so...


Sooooo what
By Dr of crap on 12/14/2010 9:04:02 AM , Rating: 3
Once again - who cares!
The test is will it sell?
And as a post below states, the first year might be a sell out, and that's because of the media hype on the stupid thing and of course those that think this car is the god of cars. Selling out the first years production means nothing. We already know they're sold. Remember, they took names early on.

When the Volt can sell on it's own when people can campare it to other cars available - then we will know if it's a success.
Until then can we PLEASE stop with the hype already!




Now's a good time
By Beenthere on 12/14/2010 9:47:11 AM , Rating: 3
Now's a good time to test the Volt real world with single digit temps and 2' of snow some places. Let's see how they hold up in these conditions.




Lease or buy?
By Gungel on 12/14/2010 6:45:12 AM , Rating: 2
I don't think I would buy a first generation Volt for $41k, but I wouldn't mind leasing a $41k car for $350 per month for 36 months. I saw a black one on the road here in Michigan and I must say it does look very good, much better than most cars this size.




Are you kidding me?
By Ahnilated on 12/14/10, Rating: 0
RE: Are you kidding me?
By Beenthere on 12/14/2010 11:43:30 AM , Rating: 2
The Tree Huggers will buy the first year's production. VW/BMW and M-B clean Diesels are a much smarter move as they are suitable for all travel not just to the office or market and home again.


By CharonPDX on 12/14/2010 2:06:11 PM , Rating: 2
That top photo is of the EV charging station across the street from the building I work in. (The charging station is at the Portland, Oregon World Trade Center, directly in front of the Portland General Electric office. They have two plug-in spots there, plus one quick-charge station in the parking garage in the basement of the building.)

Yet the Volt isn't launching here. We'll have to wait until the middle of next year to get one.

Although I am more interested in a full EV, not a plug-in hybrid, right now; so I'm not sure I'd get the Volt anyway. I'll probably wait for the second generation of EVs to come out.




Given that...
By mmcdonalataocdotgov on 12/14/10, Rating: -1
RE: Given that...
By GreenEnvt on 12/14/2010 8:30:43 AM , Rating: 2
It all depends on your situation.
If you commute less then 40 miles total each day, you'll use little to no gas at all. If you have a second car in the house, that one is the one used for long trips.

That said, very few drivers would see themselves actually save money over the life of the car, this is a first run of a new type of technology. Taxi drivers or couriers might save a good chunk of money, but most of us won't.


RE: Given that...
By mmcdonalataocdotgov on 12/14/10, Rating: 0
RE: Given that...
By Gungel on 12/14/10, Rating: 0
RE: Given that...
By Lord 666 on 12/14/10, Rating: 0
RE: Given that...
By Gungel on 12/14/2010 10:32:41 AM , Rating: 2
Remember this is 1st generation tech, after 5 - 10 years GM will be on its 2nd and 3rd generation of Volts with a much better range and smaller, more economical engines for the range extender. We will also see new models from Cadillac and Buick with the same Volt technology.


RE: Given that...
By mmcdonalataocdotgov on 12/14/2010 11:18:16 AM , Rating: 2
1st gen for GM. 3+ gen for Toyota.


RE: Given that...
By Gungel on 12/14/2010 12:38:47 PM , Rating: 2
Plug-in? didn't think so.


RE: Given that...
By CharonPDX on 12/14/2010 2:00:21 PM , Rating: 2
It will be the second-generation Toyota Plug-in. They just never released the first generation to the public, only to fleets.

(This really SHOULD be GM's second EV, but they chickened out and went with a plug-in hybrid instead.)


RE: Given that...
By mindless1 on 12/16/2010 3:27:35 AM , Rating: 3
My experiences working on my own and many other people's cars tells a different story. GM has higher initial defect rate but once you fix those defects (which tend to surface in the first couple years) they have reasonable lifespan w/o major issues for at least the first dozen years. However we cannot predict one way or the other about this special project, the Volt.

On the other hand this is first generation tech, not just the refinement of 100 years of ICE vehicles, so it would be crazy to think it doesn't have a few significant flaws... beta testers for automobiles buy the first generation from anyone.

What is more significant is resale value and depreciation. How much is a $40K Chevy worth after its battery life is 2/3rds depleted?

Practically nothing, book value on the car is likely to be no more than the cost of the replacement battery.


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