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The business crowd is warming up to Firefox

A new study shows that in at least one sector 2007 was a very good year for Firefox and a bad one for Microsoft's Internet Explorer.  The pair squared off over the course of last year and have been fiercely competitive.  Microsoft and Mozilla were not above talking a bit of trash about each other's browsers, with critical words exchanged.  Mozilla showed modest gains overall, but still trailed significantly in market share to Internet Explorer in overall adoption.

Now, as Firefox 3 prepares to square off with Internet Explorer 8, this new study, released this week by Forrester Research, paints an intriguing picture of Firefox's significant 2007 gains in a very important market sector-- the business community.  The survey, which collected data from over 50,000 large enterprise employees, discovered that over they year Microsoft's browser marketshare fell 10 percent, while Firefox's share jumped from 9.8% to 18%.

More interesting still the survey reveals how Internet Explorer 7 struggled to win adoption in the business community.  The survey found
55.2% of companies still use IE 6 as of December 2007.  IE 7 only has a 23.4 percent adoption rate, just barely more than growth and use of Firefox.

Interestingly, Firefox 2.0, released in October 2006 "
almost completely replaced" the previous browser, Firefox 1.5.  The study indicates that the strong growth of Firefox evidenced both by the strong adoption of Firefox 2.0 and by the overall market share growth was driven by employees, not IT managers, for the most part.  The reports states, "Mozilla continues to expend little energy on wooing IT managers to formally adopt Firefox."

The report also notes that many IT shops are moving to support Firefox with
enterprise Web apps, despite taking a backseat to employees in pushing the browser's adoption.   Forrester analyst Thomas Mendel states that new numbers spell trouble for Microsoft.  Says Mendel, "Even with Microsoft spoon feeding users high-priority automatic updates, enterprise apathy is proving extremely difficult to overcome."

Mendel advising companies hoping to stick with Microsoft who haven't upgraded to IE 7 yet to wait to upgrade until the release of IE 8.  The IE 8 browser is expected to be more competitive with Firefox.  IE 7 largely played a catch-up role, adding features such as
improved security by blocking known phishing sites, increased standards support, tabs, a search box, and RSS support.  IE 8 will pack more advanced features, though, making it more viable.  Internet Explorer 8 builds on IE 7's progress with such features as site blocking for malware sites, even more standards compliance, WebSlices, and Activities.

Unfortunately Microsoft faces a major deal breaker in one of its own aforementioned accomplishments.  By implement a more standards compliant browser for IE 8,
analyst firm Gartner believes Microsoft will break many of the existing business web apps developed for older non-standards compliant versions of the browser.    This could lead these apps not to render properly.  Gartner states that it strongly urges companies to "strive to design for standards, not browsers."

Also another point raised by analysts is that many of IE 8's features require Windows Vista adoption.  With many companies still using XP and reticent to switch, this could also hinder adoption.

Despi
te what is expected to be its most advanced browser yet, Microsoft faces a tough road in 2008, if the trend from 2007 continues.  Microsoft is left to hope that IE 8 can salvage its slipping grip on browser marketshare in the business sector.


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Firefox Girl
By zerocool84 on 4/3/08, Rating: 0
RE: Firefox Girl
By SlipDizzy on 4/3/2008 2:15:57 PM , Rating: 4
One day she will lean closer to the screen.... one day....


RE: Firefox Girl
By Tsuwamono on 4/3/2008 2:22:25 PM , Rating: 2
"Don't stand so, Don't Stand so, Don't Stand so close to me"


RE: Firefox Girl
By FITCamaro on 4/3/08, Rating: -1
RE: Firefox Girl
By zerocool84 on 4/3/2008 3:08:18 PM , Rating: 2
Voting me down for pointing out a hot chick???


RE: Firefox Girl
By i3arracuda on 4/3/2008 3:30:06 PM , Rating: 4
Well, at least this thread isn't sexually awkward.

So...boobies.


RE: Firefox Girl
By BarkHumbug on 4/4/2008 11:10:52 AM , Rating: 1
... and the next thing you'd be hearing was "camera, action!"

She's a pornstar dude, I certainly wouldn't touch her with a ten foot pole.


RE: Firefox Girl
By i3arracuda on 4/4/2008 11:21:27 AM , Rating: 5
quote:
I certainly wouldn't touch her with a ten foot pole.


Agreed. But, then again, if I had a ten foot pole I'd probably be doing pr0n, too.


RE: Firefox Girl
By herrdoktor330 on 4/4/2008 8:49:50 PM , Rating: 2
Well, if you were going to touch anyone a pr0n star wouldn't be a bad choice. After all, they are disease free and tested for STDs regularly thanks to standards in the adult industry. You can't necessarily say that for any new "friends" you'd make at a bar, club, or internet dating site.

But my question is why do you need to use a model to promote firefox? I think the product sells itself nicely. I've been a user since 1.5, which had to have been years ago.


RE: Firefox Girl
By djkrypplephite on 4/3/2008 4:14:06 PM , Rating: 3
She's a porn star. And she's wearing a white shirt, they just photoshopped the logo on it. If you want to see her or whatever, "Emy18".


RE: Firefox Girl
By lagitup on 4/3/2008 6:52:40 PM , Rating: 2
and you know this how?


RE: Firefox Girl
I still use Firefox 1.5
By tjr508 on 4/3/2008 3:00:46 PM , Rating: 2
I also have a laptop with a 1.5Ghz processor and 256MB RAM.

Am I missing out on anything?




RE: I still use Firefox 1.5
By Zurtex on 4/3/2008 4:31:26 PM , Rating: 2
You should see much better performance in Fx 3.0, it consumes far less memory, so you can do much more without it just eating what little memory you have after your OS is done with it.


RE: I still use Firefox 1.5
By Shida on 4/3/2008 4:58:47 PM , Rating: 2
Especially with FF 3.0 b5. It just came out.
http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/all-beta.html


RE: I still use Firefox 1.5
By encryptkeeper on 4/4/2008 8:59:55 AM , Rating: 3
How's Beta 5 compared to Beta 4?

BTW, this made me kind of chuckle...
The survey found 55.2% of companies still use IE 6 as of December 2007.

I think half of the reason for this is that IE7 requires (if you don't know the workaround) a genuine copy of Windows (XP). Many times, illegal copies will be sold on machines by people claiming they're expert computer consultants...when they're really just looking to save a buck or two. Except for one person, anyone I've ever shown FireFox to has adopted it for permanent use.


RE: I still use Firefox 1.5
By mindless1 on 4/5/2008 6:00:37 AM , Rating: 2
It's because businesses are conservative, wanting to keep the same platform. Even if that weren't true, if someone would pirate and activate XP, they could similarly foil the WGA check. There's just no complusion to cater to employees who would prefer a different browser. They might also prefer a different style of tiles on the floor or a receptionist who also works in a strip club but those aren't changing either.


RE: I still use Firefox 1.5
By MaulBall789 on 4/3/2008 5:31:36 PM , Rating: 2
I'd say you're missing a whole lot of security upgrades and patches by now. Not to mention a pretty decent increase in performance. Other than those, nothing at all.


RE: I still use Firefox 1.5
By fic2 on 4/3/2008 5:44:36 PM , Rating: 2
Is there a way to have the tabs all in the window. It did this in 1.5, but in 2.x after so many tabs it sends them to a drop down thing. I hate that. I usually keep a lot of tabs open (36 currently) and it is easier to just click on the tab at the top then go scrolling through some list.


RE: I still use Firefox 1.5
By Bremen7000 on 4/3/2008 9:09:56 PM , Rating: 2
Tab Mix Plus.


RE: I still use Firefox 1.5
By smitty3268 on 4/3/2008 9:39:34 PM , Rating: 2
There's a hidden preference in about:config you can set (google it) or you can get a bunch of different extensions which will do that for you.


RE: I still use Firefox 1.5
By smitty3268 on 4/3/2008 9:46:17 PM , Rating: 2
Firefox 2.0 didn't really have a single must-have new feature over 1.5, but after installing it I did notice that everything just seemed more polished. Lots of little tweaks did add up to a better experience.

However, at this point I'd have to recommend just waiting for 3.0 to come out and upgrade to that as soon as possible. You might even be better off switching to the current beta(5) right now unless you depend on a lot of extensions. You'd certainly have better security and it would run faster on that old machine.


RE: I still use Firefox 1.5
By wordsworm on 4/4/2008 8:01:33 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Firefox 2.0 didn't really have a single must-have new feature over 1.5


I don't remember the search bar being quite as nifty as it is now. I like the fact that the search bar can now have other search engines added to it quite easily, and accessed via a drop down menu. Also, there are the 'live bookmarks' that I don't recall being included with 1.5. Those are the only two things that I can think of that I thought were great improvements. Although, changing where the x appears to close a tab was greatly improved as well.

What I'd like to do is change the search bar a little bit and have the ability to split the screen in half. I'd like to have two Firefoxes, essentially, open in the same window, without all that resizing and adjusting that's involved with having two actual windows open simultaneously.

Secondly, I'd like to see some changes in the search bar: I'd like to see the icons of the individual pages lined up with the ability to select one or more search engine at a time, thereby opening up 2 windows split in half or 4 windows split in 4 with each search result displayed. Another way to do it would be to have a main page located to the left of the screen with multiple large sized (say 200x200 pixels) preview screens on the right. I'm sure my screen space would allow me to stack 4-6 quite easily. Then, simply select one for it to be displayed in the dominant side to the left. I'm not sure if I'm explaining what I'd like very well or not. I wish I had time to really learn how to redesign Firefox myself... because I think it would be a vast improvement over the current system.

Anywho... I'm still loving my current Firefox.


Ouch...
By maverick85wd on 4/3/2008 2:43:45 PM , Rating: 4
quote:
The survey found 55.2% of companies still use IE 6 as of December 2007.


That is pretty rough. The IT people at work refuse to let anyone use Firefox but at least I have tabbed browsing with IE 7.... seems like IE 6 should fall under unsafe work conditions or something...




RE: Ouch...
By barjebus on 4/3/2008 3:50:38 PM , Rating: 5
The reason why enterprise people are still using IE6 exclusively is that tons of web based programs that are essential to their corporation were designed on IE6, which is quirky as hell and expensive to port over to new browsers since developers didn't waste their time with making their software compatible with other browsers.

It's really Microsoft's own fault...they made a truly screwed up browser, and now that so many things have been designed for it specifically, nobody is switching over because it's essential to their business. It's Lock-In that's creating un-intended consequences for them.


RE: Ouch...
By tedrodai on 4/3/2008 4:59:00 PM , Rating: 2
Can't really argue with your points, but another reason it took a while for some to upgrade is information assurance. When a new piece of software is released that is an integral part of practically every machine in the company (such as a browser), some businesses put it through a security evaluation before installing it on user's machines, or perhaps an evaluation time period.


RE: Ouch...
By encryptkeeper on 4/4/2008 9:01:55 AM , Rating: 2
Wasn't IE 6 (or was it IE 5) built into XP to assist in part of it's operation?


RE: Ouch...
By TheOneStorm on 4/7/2008 9:30:04 AM , Rating: 2
Besides the applications that only work on IE-based browsers, what IT department would not allow their fellow co-workers use FireFox? That's absurd.

Oh wait, I remember working at a local sheriff's office last year where they tried that on me... I won :)


FF is missing some features
By TomCorelis on 4/3/2008 8:32:03 PM , Rating: 3
You know what would help Firefox adoption in the business world?

The ability to deploy and configure it via group policy.




RE: FF is missing some features
By smitty3268 on 4/3/2008 9:52:18 PM , Rating: 2
Yes, I find this huge growth amazing given that Firefox has been almost hostile towards businesses in terms of giving them features they've been asking for. No group policies, no .msi installers, etc.

I'm guessing a lot of this is employee-driven, with users not wanting to give up the features they've gotten used to at home.


RE: FF is missing some features
By vandalizmo on 4/4/2008 7:13:01 AM , Rating: 3
MSI installer for http://www.frontmotion.com/Firefox/

You can deploy it through Active Directory.


By smitty3268 on 4/4/2008 7:11:04 PM , Rating: 2
Yes, because it's an open source project there are lots of unofficial ports. But the official project refused to create it.


Modularity.
By greylica on 4/3/2008 2:30:06 PM , Rating: 2
We need a Browser that can be reinstalled in case of problems.
Firefox and Opera is OK, if broke, you can delete and replace.
An Internet Explorer, if broken, can't be reinstalled. You have to format Windows, and possibly have to call Microsoft to activate Windows again.
It's easier to reinstall a browser than an entire system isnt't ?

Firefox and Opera - I recommend for everyone.




RE: Modularity.
By INeedCache on 4/3/2008 4:35:18 PM , Rating: 1
I have never had to reinstall Windows to fix problems with IE. It can be deleted and reinstalled, or in the case of IE7, reset to original configuration which solves most issues. I have absolutely no problems with IE7, and actually prefer it over Firefox. I think many folks simply read or hear stuff about how "bad" IE is and how "great" Firefox is, and then that's it, it becomes fact. What a way to run your life.


RE: Modularity.
By MaulBall789 on 4/3/2008 6:08:46 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I think many folks simply read or hear stuff about how "bad" IE is and how "great" Firefox is, and then that's it, it becomes fact.


The fact is Firefox is a much more user friendly experience, very flexible and customizable. If IE7 works better for you there's nothing wrong with that, but it doesn't mean the rest of us follow the herd for the hell of it. I'll bet good money that most common users are using IE5/6/7 just because it's already there and are too afraid to try anything else, if they know anything else exists at all.

After years of using IE5/6 I was ready to try something else, partially to get away from the ActiveX security issues that kept popping up as well as the inherent problems of having the browser integrated with the OS.

I tried out FF 0.x and 1.0+ and Opera but didn't feel they were ready for prime time. After FF 1.5 arrived I tried it again and was very impressed. Since then I have used it exclusively.

When IE7 was released I went back for a few weeks to give it a fair shake. Messed around with some of the add-ons, some different configurations and, though it definitely was an improvement over IE6, the overall customization and comfort level wasn't there.

I tried out Opera 9 as well and after a week or two didn't really ever get used to its add-ons and little windows everywhere.

It's my own opinion, of course, but it doesn't take a genius to test the different browsers and see which one fits what you do best. Firefox is great, not because I was told, because I tried it for myself.

When IE8 comes out I'll try it out too and if it's better than FF3 then you can bet I'll switch back. I'd be crazy not to.

Add-ons currently used in FF:
Adblock Plus
Customize Google
Down-Them-All
Forcastfox
IE Tab
Locationbar2
NoScript
SafeCache
SafeHistory

Theme: Metal Lion - Vista


RE: Modularity.
By encryptkeeper on 4/4/2008 9:10:26 AM , Rating: 2
I think many folks simply read or hear stuff about how "bad" IE is and how "great" Firefox is, and then that's it, it becomes fact.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/artic...

Or you could read articles like this one above and realize that sometimes, just because everybody jumps on a bandwagon, you should too.


Tired of hacking for IE
By darthtater on 4/4/2008 5:36:05 PM , Rating: 2
We build and develop tons of sites and apps here. If I had to guess I would say 80-90% work fine in firefox. The problem is that nowhere near that many work seamlessly in IE. We've had to throw hacks into style sheets for IE7 and IE6. There was a rumor going around that the W3C was trying to get all browsers to run on the same basic platform and then polish their own apps from there. According to this rumor Microsoft refused. I'm tired of building something then having it work in FireFox and Safari, only to see it all F'd up in a microsoft browser. I am looking for help on writing a script that once you visit a website, it automatically downloads, installs, and deploys firefox as your default browser. I think it would be cool as hell!




RE: Tired of hacking for IE
By MaulBall789 on 4/4/2008 6:37:05 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I am looking for help on writing a script that once you visit a website, it automatically downloads, installs, and deploys firefox as your default browser. I think it would be cool as hell!


You mean the Safari 3.1 trick using an iTunes/Quicktime update. I'll bet Jobs thought it'd be cool as hell too. I like Firefox as much as anyone but this probably is not the best way to gain the people's trust in the software.


Admit it...
By cscpianoman on 4/3/2008 8:42:54 PM , Rating: 3
Admit it, this article was posted only to show the firefox girl one more time.




MS is its own worst enemy here
By kattanna on 4/3/2008 3:29:43 PM , Rating: 2
we have windows 2000, XP, and OSX systems here. the ONLY browser of the 2 i can install across the board IS firefox.

we have working systems that run windows 2000, and honestly there is no reason to replace the boxes just to "upgrade" to IE7, much less IE8. and macs? IE5.5 is the last version there so MS leaves us NO choice but to use other browsers.

anyways.. FF3 beta runs javascript so incredibly fast as soon as it is a release, it is going on all the computers windows and macs alike.

if IE was a cross platform browser, then i might consider it, but it isnt. it sounds pretty much vista only. and thats one OS we dont have a single box running here.




Firefox OS
By mendocinosummit on 4/3/2008 4:36:08 PM , Rating: 2
The Linux unifier?




Spelling nitpick
By chsh1ca on 4/3/2008 2:06:56 PM , Rating: 1
"With many companies still using XP and retiscent to switch, this could also hinder adoption."
Should be "reticent"

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/reticent




lack of IT manager support?????
By HrilL on 4/3/2008 2:25:12 PM , Rating: 1
I just don't see that as being true. Maybe in those big companies but for at least since firefox 1.4 the IT company I work for has been switching everyone to firefox. Makes our work a lot easier since we don't have worry about all the problems in ie 6 and such. But since ie 7 has been out we have still been pushing firefox. I can say the same is bing done by other companies in town as well. Firefox is the first thing we install after network drivers of course. So ie only gets used once and that is to download firefox. We also tell all our clients to firefox and not ie.

On a second note that firefox girl is smoking hot. I won't say all the things I'd like to do to her.




I'm tired of the browser wars...
By peritusONE on 4/3/08, Rating: -1
RE: I'm tired of the browser wars...
By DanoruX on 4/3/2008 1:56:07 PM , Rating: 3
It matters as long as Internet Explorer epically fails at rendering CSS.


RE: I'm tired of the browser wars...
By FITCamaro on 4/3/2008 2:31:42 PM , Rating: 1
Firefox supports CSS better than IE7 in some instances and vice versa. I'm starting to do some web development here at work so I'm seeing some of the difficulty of getting the same output on both browsers. From what I've seen, in some instances, IE7 follows the CSS standard better than Firefox.

As far as Firefox making inroads in the business world. I have no doubt that many employees enjoy using Firefox. And I'm sure some IT departments are starting to support it. At my company though, they have completely blocked Firefox from working outside the corporate network and force us to use IE6 or IE7 (depending on whether they've upgraded you yet).

I have no problem using IE7, but the biggest thing I hate is that even IE7, while supporting tabbed browsing, is far worse at handling them. In Firefox, most pages that open a new window are opened in a new tab. In IE, it still opens a new window which frustrates me because I don't want multiple windows. I use IE7Pro to try to remedy some of this.


By therealnickdanger on 4/3/2008 2:40:20 PM , Rating: 1
Click the middle (scroll) button when clicking a link, the new window will always open in a new tab.


By fuser197 on 4/3/2008 3:02:00 PM , Rating: 2
There's also a setting in Tools > Internet Options > Tabs > Settings to "Always open pop-ups in a new tab".


RE: I'm tired of the browser wars...
By fic2 on 4/3/2008 3:07:43 PM , Rating: 2
Where I am doing work if you access an internal system with IE it pops up a little dialog that says, "The system has detected Internet Explorer as your browser. It is strongly recommended that you use Firefox" and gives links to the Windows, Linux and MacOS versions. So, I would definitely say they support FireFox.


RE: I'm tired of the browser wars...
By therealnickdanger on 4/3/2008 4:33:44 PM , Rating: 2
Probably only because the nerd (aka IT staffer) in charge just likes FF more.


RE: I'm tired of the browser wars...
By Snuffalufagus on 4/3/2008 5:23:31 PM , Rating: 3
My guess is you nailed it.

We would dismiss an IT guy like that around here. Not because of his product choice but the rather wilfull imposition of his own personal choice on others without good reason. That is of course provided they don't have sites which are FF only, but then that goes against the whole standards idea.


RE: I'm tired of the browser wars...
By fic2 on 4/3/2008 5:38:10 PM , Rating: 3
My guess is that it was for security and standards.

If you were working here you would have dismissed your whole server team.


RE: I'm tired of the browser wars...
By fic2 on 4/3/2008 5:39:46 PM , Rating: 2
BTW, how many websites have you come across that are IE only? Wonder if it was because some no-nothing manager forced it to be...


RE: I'm tired of the browser wars...
By wien on 4/3/2008 3:21:16 PM , Rating: 2
Care to list a few of these instances where IE7 is more compliant than Firefox? Because I sure haven't found many of them compared to instances of the opposite.


By bhieb on 4/3/2008 4:59:52 PM , Rating: 2
Or just change the option to open popup in a new tab.


RE: I'm tired of the browser wars...
By smitty3268 on 4/3/2008 9:20:54 PM , Rating: 2
I'm a web developer myself, and I'm trying very hard to think of those situations you're talking about where IE is more CSS compliant than Firefox. And failing. Care to educate me? I don't doubt that there may be 1 or 2 special cases, but I think it's very misleading to present the two as being on equal ground.


By Drizula on 4/4/2008 2:02:26 AM , Rating: 2
As a web designer I have found that IE7 is definitely not as standards compliant as FF. It sucks when you either have to do conditional comments or hack your css files. FF isn't perfect, but it has some nice add-ons that help me out a ton.

IE7 is a huge improvement over 6, unfortunately IE8 isn't going to matter for quite some time until IE6/7 get phased out.


By MrBungle on 4/4/2008 3:07:07 PM , Rating: 2
This is FITCamaro we're talking about here, who is an expert on everything. I'm sure that you can just take his word for this.

"I'm starting to do some web development here at work" - sounds like an authority on the topic to me!

</sarcasm> (and waiting for FITCamaro to tell me why this closing tag isn't even necessary - hey, the page renders OK without it!)


RE: I'm tired of the browser wars...
By nosfe on 4/3/2008 1:56:39 PM , Rating: 2
they make money from advertisements from that little search functionality thats build in them


RE: I'm tired of the browser wars...
By daftrok on 4/3/2008 2:07:11 PM , Rating: 2
Which is why I'm glad I have Adblock Plus for Firefox. And it works for Firefox 3 Beta 4! Booya!

The one advantage that Explorer truly had over Firefox was its memory usage. Firefox 2 was DREADFUL when it comes to memory leaks and whatnot. But with Firefox 3 Beta 4, most of those issues have been resolved. And on top of that, the Internet Explorer Tab add-on lets you run Explorer within the Firefox browser in case a site doesn't work...so really there's no reason to get Explorer anymore as a stand alone browser.


By Chaser on 4/3/2008 2:44:56 PM , Rating: 2
For those of you that love IE (or like me just want one browser on their computers) The IE 7 Pro (which also supports IE 8 beta 1 as well) addon has a very good unified ad blocker and many other great additions including an inline spell checker.

Such as:

1. Double click to close tab.
2. Open new tab from address bar.
3. Enable/disable tab browse history manager.
4. Enable/disable crash recovery
5. Move the IE menu bar above the address bar
6. Hide search bar.
7. Modify the maxium number of parallel connections to the web server.
8. Select the external program to view page source
Super Drag and Drop With Super Drag and Drop enabled, you can open new links by simply dragging and dropping the link on the page. You can also Drag and Drop to search selected words with the default search engine or save the selected photo when Shift is held down.
Mouse Gesture allows the user to execute commonly performed tasks (open/close a tab, go back, go forward , print , scrolling page etc.) by drawing a simple symbol on the screen.
Crash Recovery automatically restores all opened pages after a crash happened.
Save Page to Image Flexible and easy-to-use tool that converts html page from any URL to image. It captures the whole web page's content into JPG, BMP , GIF , PNG or TIFF on the fly.
Quick Proxy Switcher Different internet connections do often require completely different proxy server settings and it's a real pain to change them manually.

AD Blocker Blocks all forms of advertising, including Flash ads, rich media, fly-ins, slide-ins, pop-ups, pop-unders, spyware and adware ads, and messenger ads.

Greasy monkey alike User Script IE7Pro Script is to Internet Explorer7 as Greasemonkey is to Firefox. It lets you remix the Web via scripts.

Inline Search Adds the inline search bar like firefox has, finds as you type, use the F3 and Enter Key to cycle between multiple results, highlight all results.

Spell Check IE7Pro Spell Check will check any text you enter and alert you to possible errors by adding a red underline to any potentially misspelled words.


RE: I'm tired of the browser wars...
By S3anister on 4/3/2008 2:00:38 PM , Rating: 2
Yes it matters who has the largest share. The reason is competition, if Microsoft is losing a large portion of their business users then they need to make a better browser to remain competitive. It's the same reason we have AMD vs Intel, nvidia vs ATi.

Competition is good for the tech industry.


RE: I'm tired of the browser wars...
By wushuktl on 4/3/08, Rating: -1
By Zurtex on 4/3/2008 4:13:23 PM , Rating: 4
Well Fx3 improves over Fx2 hugely in performance and memory usage, how is that not better for everyone that uses it?

A wider support of standards, like DOM2, HTML5, SVG, SMIL, CSS 2.1 & 3, EMCA 3 & 4 etc.. gives web developers a wider and wider choice to provide nice looking web pages that are easy to use.

Web Browsers can speed up rendering, manage memory better, work on mobiles with more functionality, make browsing easier and encourage developers to adopt new better standards.


By smitty3268 on 4/3/2008 9:27:51 PM , Rating: 2
I would like everyone to start using SVG so we could finally get rid of the monstrosity that is Flash once and for all. One of the cooler things I've seen is running actual 3D programs inside the browser - although I can imagine that feature making me long for the old banner flash ads.

The big thing right now seems to be improving web apps like GMail to work faster and offline, which seems useful but not all that interesting.


Firefox
By coderman on 4/3/08, Rating: -1
RE: Firefox
By lagitup on 4/3/2008 7:03:49 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
IE is just that much better. Firefox... even the name is stupid for something that is supposed to allow you access to the Internet. Just as the rest of the product is underpolished, and unprofessional. The UI looks like it was made by someone who runs a friggen Mac. Ugly, and outdated

Im glad you like IE. I like firefox. We both get to the same series of tubes, so does it really matter? :P

quote:
Unfortunately, I'm forced to design web pages to be compatible with that piece of crap browser - Firefox. Unfortunately, Safari makes the cut under testing now too. Brutal, makes me gag.

Cry some more.


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