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Judge has ties to oil industry and owns stock in major companies involved in the spill

The disaster in the Gulf of Mexico is still on going with the leaking well pouring thousands and thousands of barrels of crude oil into the waters daily. So far, BP has been unable to stop the flow of crude from leaking into the waters.

The Obama administration had placed a six-month ban on deep-water drilling in the gulf until an investigation could be conducted to determine what caused the explosion on the Deepwater Horizon platform that triggered the massive Gulf oil spill.

A federal judge lifted the ban placed on deep-water drilling in the Gulf yesterday. The judge who lifted with ban is U.S. District Court Judge Martin Feldman. Feldman issued a 22-page order that would allow oil companies to resume to drilling in the Gulf. However, the White House says that it will file an immediate appeal and Interior Secretary Ken Salazar says that it will issue a new order imposing a moratorium on drilling that gives more detail on why the 6-month ban is needed.

Feldman said in his order that there was not enough justification in the drilling ban to justify the action taken by Obama and the White House. Feldman wrote, "A blanket moratorium, with no parameters seems to assume that because one rig failed and although no one yet fully knows why, all companies and rigs drilling new wells over 500 feet also universally present an imminent danger."

Feldman also wrote, "If some drilling-equipment parts are flawed, is it rational to say all are? Are all airplanes a danger because one was? All oil tankers like Exxon Valdez? All trains? All mines? That sort of thinking seems heavy-handed, and rather overbearing."

Associated Press has noted that Feldman has ties to the oil industry and as recently as 2008, he owned stock in several oil companies. AP reports that Feldman listed in 2008 that he owned less than $15,000 in stock in Transocean Ltd. Transocean is the company that owns the Deepwater Horizon platform.

While some suggest that Feldman is biased because of his ties to the oil industry, at least one expert sees no signs of bias in the ruling. Tim Howards, a law professor at Northeastern University said, "There's been some concern that he is biased toward the industry, but I don't see it in this opinion. They [the White House] overreacted and just shut an industry down, rather than focusing on where the problems are."

However, Josh Reichert, managing director of Pew Environment Group said, "If Judge Feldman has any investments in oil and gas operators in the Gulf, it represents a flagrant conflict of interest."

Even though the ruling by Feldman would allow drilling to restart in the gulf, some major oil companies are holding off knowing an appeal is coming soon. Shell and Marathon are waiting to see what happens with the appeal before getting back to drilling.

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Doesn't this go both ways?
By Solandri on 6/23/2010 11:44:51 AM , Rating: 5
The Associated Press has noted that Feldman has ties to the oil industry and as recently as 2008, he owned stock in several oil companies. AP reports that Feldman listed in 2008 that he owned less than $15,000 in stock in Transocean Ltd. Transocean is the company that owns the Deepwater Horizon platform.

The AP report also said that he owned stock in other oil companies via mutual funds, which as most investors know are usually broad sector-based funds which are comprised of dozens if not hundreds of companies.

I was thinking about this. Start with the assumption that owning stock in an oil company represents a financial conflict of interest for a judge - he has something to lose/gain so he may be biased towards an oil company. Doesn't the opposite hold too? If you own lots of stock, but not in any oil companies, especially if he has mutual funds, doesn't that indicate pre-bias against oil companies? Say he's been investing in stocks for years, but he's conspicuously avoiding oil companies. Isn't that a clear sign that he's biased, and thus should be disqualified too?

In other words, if a judge invests in stocks and you want the greatest odds of getting a fair and impartial judge, you should be seeking one who invests in oil companies in proportion to their representation in the stock market. A judge with too much oil stock is bad. But a judge with too little oil stock is also bad.

RE: Doesn't this go both ways?
By Scabies on 6/23/2010 12:19:42 PM , Rating: 1
its too bad we cant claim conflict of interests against the current administration in the selfish decisions they make.

RE: Doesn't this go both ways?
By superstition on 6/23/10, Rating: -1
RE: Doesn't this go both ways?
By ebakke on 6/23/2010 12:53:56 PM , Rating: 4
Did you even read his post?

RE: Doesn't this go both ways?
By superstition on 6/23/10, Rating: 0
RE: Doesn't this go both ways?
By Samus on 6/24/2010 3:17:18 AM , Rating: 3
You spew liberal 'facts' like Fox news spews conservative 'facts'

Everybody is wrong. Meanwhile, nobody seems to be doing shit to stop the fucking leak. Worry about "who done it" when the time is right. There isn't going to be another rig explosion in the next 6 months.

RE: Doesn't this go both ways?
By superstition on 6/25/2010 8:51:31 PM , Rating: 2
What are you talking about? There is no such thing as a "liberal" or "conservative" fact.

Facts are facts.

RE: Doesn't this go both ways?
By knutjb on 6/23/2010 1:59:38 PM , Rating: 5
But its OK that Obama received more money from BP employees than any other politician? Or maybe that the MMS was about to give that rig safety awards? Could the fact that Obama buddy George Soros has $600M+ investment in PetroBras and that the IMF, through the US, gave them, PetroBras a private company, $2B of mostly US money to drill in deep water off Brazil.

From legal commentators I have heard the vast majority said the Gov stepped too far with a vaguely written document. That was the reason for throwing it out. The Judge said that they had overstepped their legal bounds.

I just saw a clip where Ken Salazar said he did intend to shutdown all new wells starting at 500'. The Feds don't get much in the way of royalties if wells are drilled inside state's waters but do if they are past them.

So is the Judge biased or are those in the Fed Gov biased? Given the Judges response and reasoning I'll go with his answer. Obama did say he would appeal and that IS how the system is designed to work.

There is more than one side to a story...

RE: Doesn't this go both ways?
By therealnickdanger on 6/23/2010 2:18:27 PM , Rating: 5
Exactly right. My mutual fund has oil stock and stock in firms that support oil companies. Does that mean that I "have ties" to "Big Oil"? LOL Je$us Tap-Dancing Chr!st.

Let's stay on the topic. This is just an attempt at smearing a perfectly good ruling. Obama can't handle being wrong and certainly can't handle being publically disputed. The judge made a good ruling - just because ONE well "went down in flames" does not warrant a ban on all off-shore activity.

Don't get side-tracked by this. If this judge has an agenda, so be it. We all know Obama and his cronies have one - except they publically admits to it: Cap'n'Trade.

RE: Doesn't this go both ways?
By The0ne on 6/23/10, Rating: -1
Seriously... Who comes up with this crap?
By BriteLite on 6/23/2010 10:59:13 AM , Rating: 3
Sorry, only thing I see here is garbage, and it's being proliferated.

I'm sorry but $15,000.00 is a joke. This won't make an adult with probably 100's of thousands if not several million in investments, bias. Jesus I have more money in my highest risk stock portfolios and barely think twice up, down whatever. It's a fraction of a %. And frankly I doubt he went out buying individual stocks he probably has some ownership through a 401k. And any American who contributes to a 401k better look at each funds holdings because guess what... ding ding ding you are invested in oil. If you have a problem with that make sure to give all profit from the funds back to uncle sam at the end of the Tax year... you know the line that asks if you wish to pay more... yea liberals do that sure, ask Mr. Geithner.

This is nothing more than a Joe the Plumber witch-hunt because the O' administration didn't get their lollipop. Their lollipop is a complete pendulum swing to take our economy further into the tank. You can't cut our dependence on oil for transportation cold-turkey. People will riot in the street, and their will be blood. We first have to have economical alternatives and WE DON'T HAVE THEM.

Thanks for posting this absolute Garbage on a tech site... frankly what we need more of is more trash posted at more locations so people can be influenced to think that this judge was bias in the least...

Anand... really? This is what your site has become? Posting Green, left posts with no digging on the truth and merit behind these potential accusations? If these little lefties wish to post this rubbish have them take it to their own blog, don't discredit yourself with this trash.

Kick your Liberal loving, left leaning, world be doomed contributors on their asses and see how they like looking for actual work, that requires actual productivity.

RE: Seriously... Who comes up with this crap?
By bill4 on 6/23/2010 11:29:49 AM , Rating: 3
Yeah and I wonder if the media reports every time some judge sides with the EPA, what "green" companies stock he owns that stand to benefit. Of course they dont, I've certainly never seen such a thing, have you?

I've seen some reporting on the stocks Gore owns that will benefit from cap and trade, but only from Fox News and the few other moderate media outlets, never the ultra left wing mainstream media such as CNN, ABC, Time, MSNBC, CBS, US News, NY Times, LA Times, Newsweek, etc etc etc etc.

Nice "free" media we have, free meaning owned by communists.

By BriteLite on 6/23/2010 11:52:38 AM , Rating: 2
Clearly I struck an ill-cord with my rating on the parent here but good grief folks wake the hell up.

Obviously we live in a media biased world, we see it right here on our tech site.
"Judge has ties to oil industry and owns stock in major companies involved in the spill"

Yea... sure.

I get your point, gosh you couldn't me more dead-on with the comments about Gore. No one even cares or listens. Granted you also don't hear that the O' administration giving a credit to Brazil of what like $10 Billion? And this was a shuffle pot, as the end-user is PetroBras... also interesting... is if we shut down drilling, can we guess where the drillers will go? I'll give everyone one guess. (Starts with a Bra... ends with Zil)
Get it? Oh and should I even mention Soros? I mean really? Would anyone go look for the truth between PetroBras, Soros and ding our Child in chief?

Now we hear that we have Thousands of skimmers throughout the East Coast, that could have helped contain a huge % of the spill, but that would take the union dollars out of the gulf so that's a no no. Federal government kept those skimmers away. The Feds have now restricted LA's work in building the barrier islands... What? The handling of this whole thing has been beyond horrible, it's tragic. We have a child in the office of president who has yet to take real Action on anything, oh sure... lots of hopey and changey but nothing done. (Well 40 rounds of golf) This child lives in a fairly tale land of milk and endless honey where wishes come true and lollipops consumed.

I'm coming to a realization that at this point bring back Bush because damn... even he is better than this child of little thought in office.

Damn doesn't reality suck?

This administration knew about this over a MONTH before the disaster and did... NOTHING.
So... all you lefties out there that are a little hot and bothered now, explain away. How in the world can your boy king be held responsible... I mean... this is clearly Bush's fault.

RE: Seriously... Who comes up with this crap?
By Ammohunt on 6/23/2010 2:24:35 PM , Rating: 2
College marxist know nothings are a dime a dozen these days. Now that they have power their true nature is exposed lets hope we can pull out of this nose dive into the abyss without significant violence.

By Spuke on 6/23/2010 4:42:55 PM , Rating: 2
Now that they have power their true nature is exposed lets hope we can pull out of this nose dive into the abyss without significant violence.
Oh please. The nose dive's been happening ever since America decided that two parties is the only way to go. All anyone's going to do is vote the Retards I mean Repubs back in office. Same toilet bowl but the water goes the other direction.

2008 != 2010
By kattanna on 6/23/2010 11:10:10 AM , Rating: 4
as recently as 2008, he owned stock in several oil companies. AP reports that Feldman listed in 2008 that he owned less than $15,000 in stock in Transocean Ltd

in 2008 he did, it says nothing of what he owns now

RE: 2008 != 2010
By ClownPuncher on 6/23/2010 2:12:20 PM , Rating: 3
Personally, I simply don't care what he is invested in. We trusted him enough to hire him, now he has the job and has to do the best he can.

Stopping all offshore drilling is possibly even more damaging to the economy than the oil spill itself. It was a shortsighted, reactionary move. Banning drilling is not a move I can support. I hope the appeal fails and this judge sticks to his guns.

By bill4 on 6/23/2010 11:25:26 AM , Rating: 1

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There are no jobs because of environmental restrictions and specifically EPA CO2 caps. This is only going to get worse as long as the EPA CO2 caps remain and the recovery is a myth. This bodes very well for Republicans in November and beyond.

Good job Dailytech, sealing Obama's fate daily by helping destroy the economy with environmental regulations stopping all job growth.

By bill4 on 6/23/2010 11:34:29 AM , Rating: 2
Path to growth:

Republicans decimate Dems in 2010 due to bad economy from CO2 hard caps on all economic growth.

However, this will not be enough votes to override Obama's veto. The EPA caps will remain, and the economy will stagnate through 2012.

2012, the Republican nominee for president, under a cratering economy, easily defeats Obama. Congress passes a bill rescinding EPA authority to regulate CO2, and now there's no presidential veto.

Even that may not happen, if Dems filibuster. They probably wont by that point though.

For sure the economy means cap and trade is utterly dead in Congress this year though.

Obama Adm Lied
By ZachDontScare on 6/23/2010 3:02:44 PM , Rating: 2
I didnt see in the article, but the judge also pointed out that the Obama Administration blatently lied about 'experts' recommending a moratorium. A panel of 'experts' did make recommendations, and then the Admin slipped the moratorium in *after* the fact and claimed the experts suggested it. That was a complete and total lie, and the experts on the panel called the administration on that because they most definately did *not* recommend a moratorium.

By omnicronx on 6/23/10, Rating: -1
RE: actually..
By Danish1 on 6/23/2010 11:02:54 AM , Rating: 3
This man should close his trap.. If an airliner has a crash due to maintenance issues, do they merely continue business as usual? NO! Its not uncommon for entire fleets being grounded to check the issue on all their planes.. Why? Because the safety is at risk.

Fleets are only being grounded if there's "hard evidence" pointing at a "general flaw" in an airplane type causing a crash.

Do you know of any such hard evidence in this case?

RE: actually..
By Solandri on 6/23/2010 11:54:43 AM , Rating: 2
Actually, if there are a spate of accidents in a short period of time involving one type of aircraft, they have grounded the fleet of those aircraft for a few days while they do a general investigation to see if there's some commonality.

But what we have here is a single incident. It remains to be seen if it's an outlier (bad luck can strike even those who are assiduous about safety), or indicative of a broader problem affecting the entire industry.* Also, grounding some aircraft for a few days is quite different from shuttering an entire industry for a quarter of a year.

*Given the widescale corruption in the MMA that's been reported, I think the government could argue that they have no clue if the oil companies are complying with regulations, and thus all operations need to be shut down until new inspectors can be trained and new inspections done. The proper course of action in that case would be a 90 day moratorium; but because the fault lies with the government, all affected companies should be financially compensated for the loss of business. In other words, the government needs to pay all those oil companies for lost productivity during those 90 days they're shut down. Not gonna fly with the current deficits and upcoming elections.

RE: actually..
By knutjb on 6/23/2010 2:41:52 PM , Rating: 2
The economic pressure from rigs sitting idle at a million plus a day make a seemingly innocuous government drilling ban an extremely serious issue. Does the Government's mismanagement really justify shutting down an entire industry over one, albeit very serious, problem? Blanket punishment for all for BP's negligence smells fishy.

The government and its green intentions could be using this ban to cripple that entire business in the US. Obama IS pushing Cap & Tax (he was directly involved with creating the CCX-Chicago Carbon Exchange), Green initiatives, writing an executive order to grant amnesty for all illegals, cramming Health Care down our throats, Stimulus that would "fix" our unemployment problems, etc...

Is it unreasonable to question the dear leader's intent? I know he "says" he wants Nuke but until a plant is online I don't trust him. Too many politicians say one thing and do another and he is deeply entrenched in that methodology.

RE: actually..
By yomamafor1 on 6/23/10, Rating: -1
RE: actually..
By BriteLite on 6/23/2010 12:34:45 PM , Rating: 4
Excellent point.
By George I think you are on to something here.

Air France had a massive number of Concorde's I think nearly what? 3800? No perhaps not that many maybe 100? No that's not right either maybe they had 20?

No still not right...

They had 5...


Do you think the statistical sampling is a bit different between the two?

There are 3800 wells... running well for decades and this one event... you want to "Seize" their operations? Are you mad? Or do you actually believe this drivel? Good grief man, with that way of thinking how in the world could anything EVER be made to run at profit? Or are you also against profit as well? Come on... admit it, you'd like to limit the profit oil companies can make because it's evil right? Be honest...

RE: actually..
By Solandri on 6/23/2010 12:35:15 PM , Rating: 2
BOPs are tested weekly to make sure they're operational, sometimes more frequently. So if you want to halt operations until each platform conducts a BOP test, I doubt the industry would have a problem with that.

RE: actually..
By Danish1 on 6/23/2010 12:48:27 PM , Rating: 2
You are wrong about the Air France 4590 crash, all the remaining Concordes were modified because the crash unveiled a hitherto unknown design flaw.

RE: actually..
By Danish1 on 6/23/2010 12:55:04 PM , Rating: 2
But let me rephrase, I should have written ample evidence instead of hard evidence.

Please excuse my 2nd rate English skills!

RE: actually..
By BriteLite on 6/23/2010 11:16:24 AM , Rating: 2

So let me get this straight...

BP who asked for help in February and advised the administration that they needed assistance because of some fissures and cracks... which then became a full-blown disaster on April 20th more than a MONTH after the administration was contacted points to a flaw in all 3800 wells in the Gulf?

Sure there may be ways to improve the designs and operations of wells, and I'd like to stop putting methane into the air, but one disaster doesn't condone the ban on all future work in the Gulf. It's asinine. This is just what we need another 50-75k workers unemployed, or perhaps even worse is the lifting of the drillers and moving to other countries, because they have to pay for those vessels. That means contracts in the gulf for wells become null and void.

I believe Feldman's point is simple... It's too far of a swing, it's too radical and there is no evidence pointing to what exactly happened yet. So how can we in good faith shut down an industry that has been running well with minimal issues for DECADES, in the <hope> to <change> something we don't yet understand? To me this is the definition of stupidity right now, in our economy.

RE: actually..
By Danish1 on 6/23/2010 11:37:11 AM , Rating: 3
Yep shutting everything down is a knee jerk populist reaction.

It's nothing new 10 out of 10 career politicians care more about votes than your nations best interest.

RE: actually..
By MartyLK on 6/23/10, Rating: -1
RE: actually..
By BriteLite on 6/23/2010 12:46:27 PM , Rating: 2
See... there are some bright spots coming from our educational system... You sir are a credit to your kind.

RE: actually..
By Dorkyman on 6/23/2010 12:48:13 PM , Rating: 1
Wow...where to begin...

You really should read a variety of material besides just the hard-left drivel out there.

You are right about one thing--the Repubs want to bring Messiah down. They (and I) believe him to be utterly incompetent and a danger to the country.

Oh, by the way, no one ever said they wanted AMERICA to fail--Rush said he wanted OBAMA to fail. A different desire, don't you think?

I am also stunned at your racism. No one I know or associate with gives a cr*p about Messiah's skin color. And for the record, technically he's not "black." He's 50% white, 43% Arab, 7% black.

See you at the polls in November. Bring a tissue.

RE: actually..
By MartyLK on 6/23/10, Rating: -1
RE: actually..
By Quadrillity on 6/23/2010 1:15:38 PM , Rating: 2
What happens when the Commander in Chief fails? Here's a hint for your inbred brain cells: America fails.

You know 100% of nothing about our political system, so stop acting like you do, moron.
I must have struck a nerve with you. lol :D President Obama will be this nations best president ever in it's history.

pppffftt....ha...HAHAH...HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Oh, you're serious?
Now...don't you have babies to rape? That's what most of you Repubs do, isn't it? Incest? Isn't that your thing?

It's funny that you mention babies. Do you know that Obama supports late term abortion? That's right, Obama is in favor of people shoving a tube in a babies head and sucking its brain out before medically dilating the cervix and passing the dead baby.

I REALLY want to see how you defend that one.

RE: actually..
By MartyLK on 6/23/10, Rating: -1
RE: actually..
By Quadrillity on 6/23/2010 1:29:23 PM , Rating: 2
LOL...and you and the rest of your hypocritical kind are in favor of letting those unwanted babies grow up to the slavery you all try to impose on life.

So now I am a slave master? HAHA
What's worse, killing a baby before first breath or in an illegal military campaign?

So you defend murdering babies right? You need to check yourself into a behavioral health facility. And yes, I am dead serious. You have mental problems.
I don't have to defend anything...idiot. You do though. Because you know in your inner being you are the devil incarnate. You, and the the rest of your horde.

You know, Ben Franklin is the devil also. He did invent electricity, after all.

RE: actually..
By MartyLK on 6/23/10, Rating: -1
RE: actually..
By Quadrillity on 6/23/2010 1:17:34 PM , Rating: 2
Again I'll say: You are a racist. The sad part is that you don't even know that you are one.

RE: actually..
By Quadrillity on 6/23/2010 1:06:36 PM , Rating: 2
The Repubs are trying to bring Obama down. They have brought about this disaster thinking it will ruin President Obama.

Yep. The Republican party is responsible for this damned oil spill. Curse you Republicans!!
The Repubs want America to fail. Their own words! Lim'burger cheeze wizard said plainly he hopes Obama fails. THAT is hoping America fails!

Nice try but no. A lot of people want Obama's radical socialist agenda to fail. If Obama succeeds in every thing that I have seen him try to push so far, then he will effectively destroy what being an "American" means.
The self righteous, bigoted Repubs can't stand that there is a black man in their business, seeing all the records of all the dirty deeds they've done through the centuries and it is tearing them up. They can't stand for there to be a black family in the highest house of the land, the Whitehouse. I hope my President renames the house to Blackhouse! I'm a cracker, by the way. But more than that, I'm a human being. Those POS Repubs aren't even human by any standard.

This explanatory rant confirms that you are a racist sheep, and dumb as a f****** rock.

You want to know something? Only a racist brings up race/skin color/etc in unrelated conversation.

RE: actually..
By MartyLK on 6/23/10, Rating: -1
RE: actually..
By Quadrillity on 6/23/2010 1:25:02 PM , Rating: 2
You know he can't get enough of screwing! He did it for 8 years, screwing my America. And look what happened to the land. Economic failure all around. The nation has never been in such a sad state as it was when the maggot left office.

Name one failed/bad policy that Bush was responsible for. I bet you can't name a single thing.
Fortunately, when Mr. Obama was the howls and cries of all the horrified Repubs...I finally felt a sense of peace and relief about the long as we put the Repubs down and don't ever let them up again.

*gulp gulp gulp... aahhhhh! <- the sounds of you drinking kool-aid
quote: the way...Repubs are clear and plain liars. R. Lim'burger Cheeze Wizard said he would vacate the nation should the health reform bill pass. Um...where is the fat, dopehead, slob right now?

I believe he said that if it's not repealed he will leave. Obama set this program up to fully implement AFTER he is already gone so that he can blame someone else for failure.

By the way, since you are new to this, you place the quoted text before the response. Dumbass.

RE: actually..
By MartyLK on 6/23/10, Rating: -1
RE: actually..
By Quadrillity on 6/23/2010 1:35:14 PM , Rating: 2
You forgot to call us all doo-doo heads.

RE: actually..
By BriteLite on 6/23/2010 2:04:59 PM , Rating: 2
I fear you are wasting your valuable time. He's a twit and a troll to be sure.
Using name such as Franklin, and Jefferson will only remind the child of his favorite Rap song, or sitcom. Or he'll complain how those of us who pay large sums of money in taxes should be taxed more so he and his ilk and brood can stay seated quite firmly on their rotund bottoms.

There are always those at either end of the spectrum that can't be turned from their path. The goal is those in the middle with reason and logic will seek and identify truth and choose wisely.

Granted if amnesty is passed... I'm moving. It may not seem like much to some but my 80k in tax base will come with me. Now if I can just convince the other 40M Americans who pay taxes to come along... now that could be something!

I wonder if the Canadians would be willing to set aside a small subset of land for us? Our own republic, paid for and run by those who work and produce!

hmm... I think I may have to institute a few more laws along with the constitution of old.
1.) If you don't work you don't Vote
2.) If you don't pay taxes you don't Vote (Income/Federal = net zero tax after credits etc)
3.) Flat Tax locked at a specified GDP % value. (Federal expenditures could never exceed income, and may never go over 7% of GDP)
4.) If a person is on any type of Aid or Welfare he/she MUST work. Don't care if you are paraplegic or other you can do SOMETHING
5.) A person running for political office is selected by secret ballet from the community and must be a person with Land, Property, and previous business experience... (Oh I know this will piss off you lefties!)

Who is willing?

RE: actually..
By Quadrillity on 6/23/2010 4:44:01 PM , Rating: 2
I agree 100%. I bet if any liberal reads this, their head will explode in a violent flash of self absorption!

RE: actually..
By spoerad1 on 6/24/2010 5:22:49 PM , Rating: 2
people who want to be free of those unlike them are the ones who are self absorbed and anti-American. If you want to leave America go ahead, but your already unAmerican.

RE: actually..
By Quadrillity on 6/26/2010 12:00:20 PM , Rating: 2
wtf are you talking about?

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