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Chromebooks currently have a small market share, but new models like the Acer C720P (touch edition) are hot items

Microsoft Corp.'s (MSFT) latest round of attacks on archrival Google Inc. (GOOG) is heating up.  After appearing to pull the plug on the "Scroogled" campaign -- the brainchild of a former campaign advisor to President William Jefferson "Bill" Clinton (D) -- Microsoft brought it back with a vengeance, unveiling a whole line of Google-mocking products ranging from mugs to shirts.

I. Microsoft Calls Chromebooks "Bricks"

Now Microsoft has come back with a new commercial featuring Gold & Silver Pawn Shop, the Las Vegas, Nevada pawn shop that gained a national following via the History Channel's reality TV series Pawn Stars.

Ricky Harrison -- the younger member of the pawn shop's three generation family who specialize in detecting "fake" products -- receives a call from a Microsoft employee who wants to know if a Google "Chromebook" might be "worth something".  Mr. Harrison laughs, responding, "[W]hen you're not connected, it's pretty much a brick."


Okay that's not quite accurate. Chrome OS uses the Chrome browser as the environment to run apps within, however, it does have offline builds of its core apps like Google Docs, and recently gave developers tools to make third-party apps offline accessible.  And while it leverages the cloud, that's not very different from Microsoft's own efforts, slowly phasing out the PC-side standalone Office suite for the cloud-enabled Office 365 app suite.

Chrome OS
Many Chrome OS apps now work just fine offline, contrary to Microsoft's claims.

At the root of Microsoft's argument is a simple assumption Microsoft firmly believes in -- if a laptop or desktop doesn't have Windows 8.1 and Office on it, it's pretty much useless. This is a sentiment echoed by hardcore Windows fans like Windows SuperSite blogger Paul Thurrott, who writes, "Google's Chromebook initiative is a laughable attempt to turn a web browser into an operating system that runs on mostly lackluster hardware."

II. Why Windows Supporters are Scared

Is Microsoft scared of the Chromebook, just trying to be funny, or some combination of both?

Compared to Apple Inc.'s (AAPL) Mac computer line, Chromebook sales appear less than impressive at present.  The Interactive Data Corp. (IDCreports that Chromebooks are only expected to move 3 million units this year, accounting for about 1 percent of the market.  But that figure only covers warehouse sales to brick-and-mortar establishments.  By contrast on some direct sellers like Amazon.com, Inc. (AMZN) Chromebooks are outselling Windows 8.1 laptops.  Approximately 22 percent of school districts across the U.S. have adopted Chromebooks.

Chrome OS
[Image Source: ZDNet]

The NPD Group Inc. estimates that in H1 2013 Chromebooks captured 20-25 percent of the sub-$300 laptop market.  They estimate that 3 percent of laptops (all prices) bought in August-September back-to-school shopping season were Chrombooks.  And with new models out in time for the holidays, NPD Group VP of Industry Analysis Stephen Baker predicts Q4 2013 will be a watershed moment in Chrome OS's market adoption.  He comments:

[Chromebooks] are very well-positioned to expand that share over the holiday period The significant marketing and advertising support Google is providing its partners is likely to be a key a feature in helping continue to raise awareness of the product and show consumers that it is a reasonably priced alternative to a tablet.

With Windows 8/8.1 unpopularity riding at all time highs and with consumers opting to avoid high-end hardware in general, PC sales are seeing historic drops.  Microsoft appears less concerned about Apple -- whose sales have also been affected by the latter market trend.  After all Microsoft always prided itself as delivering quality at a budget price, as its past anti-Apple "I'm a PC" campaign illustrated.

In that regard Chromebooks represent perhaps a more serious long-term threat to Microsoft's bottom line.  Generally priced at $300 USD or lower, many of the models offer 7-9 hours of battery life, significantly better than the 4-7 hours that budget-to-mid-range Windows 8.1 laptops get.  Otherwise the hardware spec is somewhat low-end -- but then again so are the specs of budget Windows laptops.

Aside from targeting a market Microsoft took such pride in dominating, Chromebooks also are a headache for Microsoft as they're giving OEMs frustrated with Microsoft's role in poor PC sales an outlet.  One such OEM is Hewlett-Packard Comp. (HPQ).  Is the HP Chromebook 11 a brick?  

HP Chromebook 11
HP Chromebook 11 [Image Source: AnandTech]

Microsoft and Pawn Stars may say so, but AnandTech says otherwise, writing:

Under Google’s influence, HP has built a near perfect example of what an entry level PC should be. It boots fast (< 13 seconds even in dev mode), has a great display, comes with dual-band 2-stream 802.11n WiFi, has good sounding speakers, looks stylish, is light and feels well built. The keyboard is great and even the clickpad isn’t as bad as it is on far more expensive PCs.

You honestly get one of the best examples of a portable machine for $279, and that’s without even relying on the benefits of Chrome OS to help sell the bundle. Anyone looking for a glorified web browsing, email checking, internet terminal will be right at home with Chrome OS. Flash works and you obviously get what’s arguably the world’s best web browser. You don’t have to worry about updates, malware or viruses, all of that is taken care of for you. It’s the modern typewriter equivalent, a true entry level computer, and HP/Google have done an excellent job in bringing this to market.

ASUSTek Computer Inc. (TPE:2357) this quarter became the latest OEM to "cheat on" Microsoft with Chromebooks.  The message from OEMs to Microsoft seems clear -- "If we're not getting satisfaction in this marriage, we'll go out and find satisfaction elsewhere."

And "elsewhere" appears to the Chrome OS.

III. New Touch-Screen Acer Chromebook Wows 

In related news Acer Inc. (TPE:2353) strengthened its already best-selling Chromebook lineup this week with the addition of the C720P -- the touch-screen upgraded variant of the popular C720 which retails for $200 USD (2 GB) and $250 (4 GB), depending on your preference memory-wise.
Acer C720P

For $299 you get a thin (0.78-inch thick) and light (2.98 lb) laptop with:
  • 1377x768 11.6 inch screen with multitouch
  • Intel Corp. (INTC) dual-core 1.4 GHz Celeron 2955U (Haswell)
  • 7.5 hr. of battery life
  • 2 GB DRAM
  • 100 GB of Google Drive cloud storage (free for two years)
  • 12 Free GoGo Wireless in-flight passes
  • 32 GB SSD w/ 7 second boot
  • WiFi 802.11 a/b/g/n
Acer C720P
Acer C720P
Acer C720P

By contrast about the best $300 USD will get you in terms of Windows touchscreen laptops is a Lenovo Group, Ltd. (HKG:0992IdeaPad S210 11.6-inch touchscreen laptop (and that's only when it's discounted 29 percent with a big sale).  

The Lenovo machine comes with slightly more memory (4 GB), but with a last-generation Ivy Bridge processor, the dual-core 1.9 GHz Intel Pentium 2127U ULV.  It's thicker (0.90 in.), weighs more (3.1 lb), has no SSD (instead it has a cheaper 500 GB, 5400 rpm HDD).  
 
Lenovo Ideapad S210
The Lenovo Ideapad S210 11.6-inch. (w/ Touchscreen, Windows 8.1) sells for $300 USD sale, but only gets about half the battery life of the Chromebook, has no SSD, and has a last-generation Intel processor.

And the kicker? The Windows competitor gets a claimed 4 hours of battery life -- about half what the Acer C720P Chromebook promises.  Well, you know what they say -- if you can't beat them make fun of them.

Windows 8.1 RTm
But Microsoft does offer one unique "benefit" -- Metro UI. [Image Source: CNET]

Feel free to share your thoughts on which budget laptop is "worthless" -- the thin, light, Chromebook with a fast SSD, latest-generation Intel processor, and 7.5 hours of battery life, or the Metro UI-packing Windows 8.1 laptop with more memory (4 GB), but a last generation processor, a slower HDD, a thick/heavier body, and only 4 hours of moderate-to-light use on a full charge. 

Sources: Microsoft on YouTube, Acer [C720P press release]



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Great Point Microsoft
By Reclaimer77 on 11/27/2013 4:41:19 PM , Rating: 1
Because honestly, who does stuff online anyway?

/facepalm




RE: Great Point Microsoft
By jimbo2779 on 11/27/2013 5:54:23 PM , Rating: 5
That people seem to forget the huge software ecosystem disparity between Chrome OS and Windows is beyond me.

That such a basic OS that commands just 1% of sales gets so much press is also beyond me.

I'm sure that Chrome OS is a decent OS but lets not kid ourselves that it is a run away success here, it is just starting out for now and no serious work is being done on Chrome OS.

When talking mobile OSes such as iOS, Android and WP writers never go long before lambasting WP for having a poor software ecosystem when it is leagues above when compared to Chrome OS and the lack of system sales is likely going to prevent many devs from developing for the platform.


RE: Great Point Microsoft
By zozzlhandler on 11/27/2013 7:22:31 PM , Rating: 4
1% is through brick and mortar stores. Its more through Amazon and others. But the real killer stat is 22% of school districts using Chromebooks. This is a ticking timebomb. The kids will grow up used to using Chromebooks. How was it that IBM, Microsoft and Apple became popular? Oh yes, it was all the students using them and then taking that familiarity with them when they left school.

And this is for a relatively new product. Given time I think a huge majority of schools will adopt Chromebooks. What school wants to spend its staff time and budgets fighting viruses, installing updates and security patches, fixing software the kids have broken, and on and on. Microsoft *should* be frightened.


RE: Great Point Microsoft
By althaz on 11/27/2013 7:25:45 PM , Rating: 3
Students used mostly Apple computers...and they are a very long way short of being successful in home computers.

Sure Apple is successful, but when Macs were their main source of income, only investment from Microsoft saved them from oblivion.


RE: Great Point Microsoft
By zozzlhandler on 11/27/2013 7:28:57 PM , Rating: 2
Before Apple is was Microsoft. And before that is was IBM and to some extent DEC (we are talking college students here). The strategy of getting students to use your computers has always (so far) been successful.


RE: Great Point Microsoft
By TSS on 11/28/2013 2:28:55 PM , Rating: 3
Familiarity or not the vast majority of students leave school with no knowledge of computers what so ever. It's not that they're stupid or anything, they just don't have any interest in computers or their inner workings what so ever. In the same way the 1-2 kids in a class that are interested in computers, usually aren't interested in sports or the like.

The only threat to Windows is Valve's push to get steam games working under Linux. I've grown up with Microsoft from MS-Dos to Windows 7 and i don't know the first thing about Linux, but i'd still switch tomorrow if only my 150+ games on steam worked on there. And no, i don't feel like dual booting/rebooting every time i want to play a game.

As soon as Steam games work on linux and linux actually gets an (timed) exclusive or 2, kids will start asking their parents for Linux based computers and you'll slowly see Windows's numbers follow those of internet explorer after IE6. But chromebooks, meh. Makes no difference wether you look at cat pictures on a chromebook, macbook or windows laptop.


RE: Great Point Microsoft
By inighthawki on 11/28/2013 4:02:10 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
but i'd still switch tomorrow if only my 150+ games on steam worked on there

That's never going to happen unless WINE can improve compatibility to actually run more than "most DX9 games". The solution that SteamOS is going to have is to stream games *from a Windows PC,* so windows is still part of the equation.


RE: Great Point Microsoft
By ResStellarum on 11/29/2013 12:18:16 PM , Rating: 2
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That's never going to happen unless WINE can improve compatibility to actually run more than "most DX9 games".
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That's not what WINE is for. It's a temporary stop gap while transitioning to native GNU/Linux software.

quote:

The solution that SteamOS is going to have is to stream games *from a Windows PC,* so windows is still part of the equation.

No, that's not how SteamOS is going to "Solve" it. It's going to solve it by creating steam machines to compete with the Xbox and Playstation in the living room. And because it's running Linux, games targeting it are automatically targeting Linux on the desktop too. Thus not too far in the future, the disparity between Plaform specific (Windoze), and cross-platform (Linux / Steam OS, Windows, Mac) will diminish.


RE: Great Point Microsoft
By inighthawki on 11/29/2013 4:48:43 PM , Rating: 3
Uhm, this is not what my post is about. He mentioned he would switch to linux after his library of 150+ games worked on Linux. The only way this will happen is through WINE, because no matter how popular SteamBox gets, very few of those games will be ported over.

I don't see how your reply is relevant at all.


RE: Great Point Microsoft
By flatrock on 12/3/2013 8:08:58 AM , Rating: 2
I'm sure schools like the limited software capability of Chrome. It keeps students from loading software that shouldn't be on school computers. If they can lock the DNS to a provider that limits what sites students can browse to, then they have already addressed a couple of the biggest issues.

It makes a lot more sense than the idiotic idea of buying every student an iPad like they are trying to do in Los Angeles, CA.

Maybe I should have bought my daughter a Chromebook instead of an iPad. It would have been half the price and she wouldn't be regularly borrowing my relatively expensive gaming laptop to do her homework with.

I don't think the Chromebook is in any position to replace the Windows laptop for business use. It's gaming capabilities will be severely limited. That still leaves an awful lot of room to squeeze windows out of a lot of the consumer market.

People should however be aware of the serious privacy issues with storing their data in a cloud. I suspect that most consumers really won't care all that much, but the more people that are aware the greater the chance we can get congress to tighten up the privacy restrictions for our data on third party servers.


RE: Great Point Microsoft
By Motoman on 12/3/2013 11:49:31 AM , Rating: 2
The point of going to school is to equip students with skills that will help them when they enter the workforce.

Learning how to use a Chromebook isn't going to do that. Nor is learning how to use an iPad...or a Mac.

Students need to learn to use Windows. Word. Excel.

Like it or not, when you enter the workforce, you're going to be living in a Microsoft world - assuming you're not just flipping burgers. That means any and all time that students spend learning a non-MS platform isn't just wasted time...it puts them at a deficit to others who *did* learn MS. Because they have to unlearn the non-MS stuff and then pick up MS stuff in order to compete.


RE: Great Point Microsoft
By Reclaimer77 on 11/28/2013 12:10:02 AM , Rating: 3
Where did I say Chrome OS was all that great? I'm just pointing out that where they are attacking Chromebooks, requiring connectivity, is retarded.

And if Chromebooks aren't a threat, why spend millions of dollars on this ad? To stop a few Christmas shoppers from buying "bricks"?

It's clear Google scares the hell out of Microsoft, but the negative ad campaign machine focusing on Chromebooks? Really?


RE: Great Point Microsoft
By jimbojimbo on 11/28/2013 1:25:48 AM , Rating: 2
Normally I always disagree with you but you're right here. Why are they so worried about Google everything? They should be going after the company that has been telling lies about them for years, Apple. It's as if Apple can punch Microsoft in the face over and over and they'll just shrink away quietly with no response. After years they get frustrated and start taking it out on Google instead of the real competition. It's ridiculous.
What do most people do with their laptops anyway? Listen to some music, check their email, FB, Twitter, Pinterest, stuff like that? Gee, all of that's available on Chromebook! Also, why is MS so concerned that Google is using targeted advertising but not saying anything about FB, Twitter, or Pinterest? They ALL do. Are they also telling us Bing doesn't pay attention to what we search for to target their advertising?


RE: Great Point Microsoft
By Solandri on 11/28/2013 2:51:56 AM , Rating: 5
Apple and Microsoft are in bed with each other. It all started when Apple was cash-starved and Microsoft was their knight in shining armor and invested $150 million.
http://www.wired.com/thisdayintech/2009/08/dayinte...

Ever since then, the two have been chummy - either cross-licensing stuff, or not suing each other. You'll notice they don't file lawsuits against each other for stuff they rabidly go after in Android.

And I disagree with your premise that Apple is Microsoft's primary competitor. Apple sells to a niche market. (I don't mean that as an insult - they go after a very high-profit niche. But they're content to ignore the huge bulk of the market which wants low-cost products.) Microsoft aims for a broader market (almost the entire market in fact). If you look at which OS also covers the broader mobile market, it's Android, not iOS.


RE: Great Point Microsoft
By Tony Swash on 11/28/2013 6:45:26 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
Apple and Microsoft are in bed with each other.

If that was true it's odd that Apple made these

http://youtu.be/ByCyqSROGf0

quote:
It all started when Apple was cash-starved and Microsoft was their knight in shining armor and invested $150 million.


Actually Apple had over $2 billion in cash at the time. What the Microsoft investment and commitment on Office did was help restore a sense of confidence amongst it's shareholders and thus get them off of the back of Jobs while he got on with a painful restructuring. The investment was PR and the $150 was chump change.

The reason Microsoft is particularly focussed on competition from Google is because Google set out to destroy the very basis of Microsoft's business by giving away software for free. Microsoft's business strategy has always rested on the idea that the bulk of the value in computing is accrued in the realm of software rather than hardware. That is no longer true and the value of software as standalone products, including operating systems, is collapsing. This process, of collapsing the value of software, was pushed the hardest by Google but is now an unstoppable general process in the tech world. In the new tech markets of devices, which is clearly eclipsing the old PC ecosystem in terms of value, growth and business opportunity, almost all the value is accruing to hardware makers and most accrues to the makers of integrated devices. Microsoft's great challenge is to make a successful transition to making large scale profits on integrated devices before, and without accelerating, the decline of it's old standalone software business.


RE: Great Point Microsoft
By bigboxes on 11/29/2013 12:54:59 AM , Rating: 2
Ah, there you are! Tard.


RE: Great Point Microsoft
By abhaxus on 11/29/13, Rating: 0
RE: Great Point Microsoft
By mckinney on 11/30/2013 12:42:26 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Microsoft was their knight in shining armor


Microsoft had to invest in Apple as a matter of self preservation. Microsoft knew in 9 months that the Department of Justice was filing an Antitrust suit against them. MS couldn't allow the closest thing to an OS competitor to fold...even if it was a niche player that was 90% behind them. That was also why Gates also agreed to develop Office for the Mac for an additional 5 years.

MS had to make a ton of cash when they sold the stock.


RE: Great Point Microsoft
By nikon133 on 12/1/2013 4:40:42 PM , Rating: 2
I'd say it is pre-emptive move, rather that scare. As in, undermine potential competitor before it gets strong.

Kind of common practice, I'd say. Google is doing the same with Windows Phone, by not releasing Gmaps and YouTube apps on platform, but at he same time preventing MS do release full featured apps on their own. And MS is preventing 3rd party browsers on RT/Modern GUI. They will all do much as they can without being legally nailed for that.

Re Chromebook, I honestly don't see it as competitor to Windows PC. At best, it is competing with ARM tablets. What can you do on Chromebook that you cannot with keyboard-dock equipped tablet? And, thanks to apps library, there are still plenty of thing you can do on tablets that you cannot do on CB.

And then, there's a selection of free Linux distros for Windows alternative seekers, as well as OSX on high-end. Where does CB fit?


RE: Great Point Microsoft
By Solandri on 11/28/2013 3:08:37 AM , Rating: 3
quote:
It's clear Google scares the hell out of Microsoft, but the negative ad campaign machine focusing on Chromebooks? Really?

You have to understand that Windows is Microsoft's lifeblood. If Windows gets dethroned, not only do they lose 30% of their revenue, they also lose the 30% of their revenue which comes from Office (unless they swallow their pride and make a version of Office for iOS and Android), and they lose their leverage over the computer market.

If you look at the PC-alternatives out there, the phones and tablets are really made for content consumption. They're not really suitable for content creation. Sure some people hook up a bluetooth keyboard and mouse, but they're a tiny minority. When you need to write a paper or do some accounting, you'll still pull out your Windows PC (except the 5% of people who use Macs). While conceivably in the distant future iOS or Android could supplant Windows, they don't really have a chance in their current form.

Right now, Chromebooks are what let you replace the Windows/Office hegemony for content creation. So Microsoft has correctly identified it as their biggest threat. I think Google is nuts for making a computer which practically requires network connectivity, and really doubt Chromebooks will ever gain more than a 5%-10% market share. But Microsoft can't afford to take that chance.


RE: Great Point Microsoft
By Guspaz on 11/28/2013 11:05:41 AM , Rating: 2
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If Windows gets dethroned, not only do they lose 30% of their revenue, they also lose the 30% of their revenue which comes from Office (unless they swallow their pride and make a version of Office for iOS and Android)


Microsoft already makes a version of Office for iOS and Android. They're currently pretty basic, clearly designed for making minor edits to existing documents rather than full-up content creation (and they require a 365 sub), but they exist, and they're out there. There's also the web version of Office 365 that can be used on tablets. The rumour is also that if Elop becomes CEO, they'll probably do full-up versions of Office for iOS and Android.


RE: Great Point Microsoft
By ResStellarum on 11/29/2013 12:25:47 PM , Rating: 1
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When you need to write a paper or do some accounting, you'll still pull out your Windows PC (except the 5% of people who use Macs).

I won't. I'll either dock my tablet or use my GNU/Linux desktop machine. Windows is obsolete.


RE: Great Point Microsoft
By JediJeb on 12/1/2013 10:07:10 AM , Rating: 2
I will agree here, if I am not at work where Windows is the only option, I will use Libre Office. Why would I want to pay for MSOffice and its 500 tools/options I never use.

Honestly even in the Windows environment I mostly only use Wordpad when writing something.


RE: Great Point Microsoft
By Reclaimer77 on 11/29/2013 12:28:43 PM , Rating: 1
Google should really blow up Microsoft's skirt and update ChromeOS to run Android apps in a slick way.

Why not?


RE: Great Point Microsoft
By lwatcdr on 11/28/13, Rating: 0
RE: Great Point Microsoft
By Argon18 on 11/29/13, Rating: 0
RE: Great Point Microsoft
By rsmech on 11/27/2013 9:26:27 PM , Rating: 1
If you want honesty it is a good device for the price but it isn't a desktop replacement yet. Jason's comparison is naive at best. I think the writer is just trolling.


RE: Great Point Microsoft
By Argon18 on 11/29/13, Rating: -1
RE: Great Point Microsoft
By themaster08 on 11/29/2013 1:43:07 AM , Rating: 3
quote:
nobody uses desktops any more.
You clearly have no idea how enterprise I.T works. Do you work in I.T? In fact, do you even have a job?

The only reason you're supporting Chromebooks is because of its Linux underpinnings. Any other time Google's products, along with Microsoft's and Apples, according to you, are "crap that you will never use".

So what's it to be, hypocrite?


RE: Great Point Microsoft
By ResStellarum on 11/29/13, Rating: 0
RE: Great Point Microsoft
By Disorganise on 11/30/2013 6:06:30 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Who wants their OS bogged down with anti-malware, anti-spyware, anti-rootkit, anti-keylogger ? It's a nightmare for IT.

No, we'd all prefer to have our corporate intellectual property stored up 'there' for NSA et al to view. How in the world do you think that trusting your data to someone else, by definition accessible via the Internet, could possibly be more secure than housing such data in-house?

quote:
Switching to GNU/Linux or ChromeOS would save countless man hours of maintenance as well as software licensing fees.

Only if you totally step aside from Microsoft. As soon as you want to access Exchange or SQ etc, you have to pay the client license. I just went through this exercise 18 months ago and converted a subsidiary from Linux to windows because it was actually cheaper as they didn't want to give up exchange etc. License wise, under an Enterprise Agreement, office etc is practically free compared to the client licenses you need to access Microsoft server from Linux anyway, which gives you net savings on the cost of support for Redhat and star office or whatever. Not to mention the elimination of file incompatibility.

There's a saying 'don't post anything on the Internet that you wouldn't want to be public'. How, then, can we seriously all jump on board chrome os or office 365?


RE: Great Point Microsoft
By rsmech on 11/28/2013 1:54:08 PM , Rating: 2
Yet people had a problem with Xbox One needing to connect online yet chrome OS it's seen as a bonus feature.
MS bad, Google good. I get it.


RE: Great Point Microsoft
By monomer on 11/28/2013 6:28:35 PM , Rating: 3
People had a problem with having to be online to play offline single player games.


RE: Great Point Microsoft
By ResStellarum on 11/29/2013 12:50:07 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Yet people had a problem with Xbox One needing to connect online yet chrome OS it's seen as a bonus feature.

The Xbone online requirement was because Microsoft wanted phone home DRM. It had nothing whatsoever to do with playing games, as evidenced by the Xbox 180 ;)

ChromeOS is a cloud and web based OS. It's not done this way to force draconian DRM on the user unlike the Xbone.


RE: Great Point Microsoft
By rsmech on 11/29/2013 8:24:07 PM , Rating: 2
People had a problem checking if games had correct DRM (legal). Which I see is a nuisance myself so no disagreement from me on that point.

Chrome is cloud based not for DRM agreed. It's cloud based and "free" for a reason. The things Google wants from me I see as more draconian than checking DRM.

Just my opinion. I value privacy more than protecting my right to pirate. (I know nobody pirates)


RE: Great Point Microsoft
By Monkey's Uncle on 12/1/2013 11:26:10 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
(I know nobody pirates)


No of course not! Why would we with such cheap and economical software out there.

I loved paying almost $500 for my retail copy of Windows 7 Ultimate. I think everyone should.


RE: Great Point Microsoft
By Schrag4 on 12/2/2013 1:26:35 PM , Rating: 3
Why didn't you buy the OEM version for $300 less? And do you really need the ultimate version? Honest questions.


RE: Great Point Microsoft
By Moishe on 12/3/2013 5:08:26 PM , Rating: 2
Most people have wifi, so it's not as big of a deal as Microsoft claims. Microsoft is being obtuse, but that doesn't mean the Chromebook is for everyone.

Anandtech said it best: "If you want a machine for web surfing and email..." This is a laptop priced as a tablet that offers the same features: web surfing, email, and light document work.

I wouldn't want one unless it was free. I got rid of my Surface RT, which was cheap, had good battery life and did these things. In the end, some people want to do more and the Chromebook is not a device that does more. It does less.

And there IS a market for less.

This is just additional dicing up the market, which is completely natural and expected in a mature product.


RE: Great Point Microsoft
By rechiel7890 on 12/4/2013 3:52:52 PM , Rating: 2
my best friend's step-aunt makes $68/hr on the computer. She has been out of work for 6 months but last month her check was $15378 just working on the computer for a few hours. find more info...bay91
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bay91


This article is full of bias
By w8gaming on 11/27/2013 6:17:30 PM , Rating: 5
When it comes to the hardware comparison, the bias is obvious.

Comparing one lowend CPU to a better and faster CPU and call the better CPU "last year" to make it seems inferior.

Compare 32GB SSD with a 500GB HDD and then call the 500GB HDD cheaper.

Really question the knowledge of journalist nowadays.




RE: This article is full of bias
By Alexvrb on 11/27/2013 9:57:45 PM , Rating: 4
I'm inclined to agree. Not sure what pissed him off, maybe he just bought a Chromebook and felt they needed a vigorous public defending. If this article was a flavor of ice cream, it would be Sour Grape flavor. Blech! Seriously Jason, step back and read what you wrote man. I can't help but picture you typing that up on a Chromebook at a coffee shop. Here's the part that really rubbed me the wrong way:
quote:
The Lenovo machine comes with slightly more memory (4 GB), but with a last-generation Ivy Bridge processor, the dual-core 1.9 GHz Intel Pentium 2127U ULV. It's thicker (0.90 in.), weighs more (3.1 lb), has no SSD (instead it has a cheaper 500 GB, 5400 rpm HDD).

more memory (4 GB), but a last generation processor
Double the RAM is slightly more? It's probably soldered in too. A massive difference in processor performance warrants no mention beyond bare numbers and a "last-gen" tag? A 500GB HDD is "cheaper" than a basic 32GB flash drive? You realize that in bulk they probably cost about the same, right? Actually forget bulk, even in online retail they're about the same.

On the plus side, the performance difference probably won't matter since you likely won't be running anything stressful on the Chromebook. Really they're both just touch screen baby laptops. The biggest difference is the software. You generally pay a bit more (all else remaining equal) to get a Windows license. If I bought a Chromebook I would slap Linux on it.


RE: This article is full of bias
By jimbojimbo on 11/28/2013 1:31:01 AM , Rating: 1
Did you read the article? He was comparing competitively priced items. If you want a full Windows 8 computer at the same price as a Chromebook you're NOT going to get the latest CPU. You're going to have to get an older model that they're trying to clear out.
That's why he's comparing the CPUs like that. Sure, if you get a brand new Chromebook and compare it to a brand new Win 8 laptop sure the generation of CPU chip will be equal but the laptop will also cost 2x or 3x or more.


RE: This article is full of bias
By w8gaming on 11/28/2013 3:45:39 AM , Rating: 3
First of all, the statement "you're NOT going to get the latest CPU" is totally false. At similar price, you will get a CPU released this year with similar price as a Chromebook. Sure it won't be a i5 but it will sport a better CPU than the Celeron. Why a PC with last year CPU is picked, I am not sure. This plus the fact that even with a last year CPU, it still runs better than this so-called this year Celeron CPU in the Chromebook. It is simple ignorance. If you try to defend something, please do check out the fact first.


RE: This article is full of bias
By Alexvrb on 11/28/2013 9:07:37 PM , Rating: 3
It's not just about what generation it is. The Windows laptop has a faster CPU - it's no contest. Competitively priced even with the Windows license, the Lenovo box has more RAM and a faster CPU, but worse battery life. So it's not an apples to apples comparison, but with that inept Celeron I'd have little use for the Chromebook. Now a faster Chromebook might be OK after a little ChrUbuntu or so forth.

Now for the big Presidential whopper: 2x or 3x more? You're on crack. :D A Chromebook is just like any other laptop. There's absolutely nothing magical about them and anyone that says otherwise is just as bad as an Apple zealot. If you take two identical laptops and one is a "Chromebook" and the other is a Windows device, you're looking at a relatively small difference in pricing due to the Windows license. Somewhere around $50 or so for big OEMs.


RE: This article is full of bias
By Motoman on 11/29/2013 11:48:22 AM , Rating: 3
I just picked up a quad-core 15.6" laptop with 4Gb of RAM and a 500Gb hard drive for $259. With Win8.1.

And no...it wasn't a Black Friday deal.

Frankly, there's always a reasonable Windows laptop available between $250 and $300.

There's really no way anyone could ever justify buying a Chromebook. Not unless they were somehow sold at like $100. That might be enough to justify the difference.

But there's not the slightest point in pretending that you're somehow getting a superior machine at that price point with a Chromebook vs. Windows. That's literally crazy talk.


RE: This article is full of bias
By ResStellarum on 11/29/13, Rating: 0
RE: This article is full of bias
By Motoman on 11/29/2013 6:27:16 PM , Rating: 2
I certainly hope you don't take yourself seriously.

quote:
A junk CPU, junk ram, and a slow and noisy storage device no doubt. Most laptops with those prices have old generation junk components.


http://www.microcenter.com/product/422619/Satellit...

$259 right now at Micro Center.
AMD A4-5000 quad-core
4GB DDR3-1333 RAM
500GB 5,400RPM Hard Drive
AMD Radeon HD 8330
DVD SuperMulti Drive
Memory Card Reader
10/100 Network
802.11b/g/n Wireless
Bluetooth 4.0
15.6" Widescreen TruBrite HD LED-backlit Display

Vs.

http://www.amazon.com/Acer-Chromebook-11-6-Inch-To...

Intel Celeron 2955U 1.4 GHz Processor (2 MB Cache)
2 GB DDR3 RAM
32 GB Solid-State Drive
11.6-Inch Touchscreen Display, Intel HD Graphics

So...where's the junk CPU and junk RAM? Oh, that's right - the $300 Chromebook. As for the "noisy storage" - first of all, it isn't. Secondly, you're an abject retard for even thinking "An SSD is not optional these days."

An SSD is the *least* important thing to the *VAST* majority of users. Ample storage space for pictures and music alone is infinitely more important...and that 32Gb SSD in the Chromebook will hardly hold anything. And who cares if the base Windows install takes 20Gb? That's f%cking irrelevant - especially when you're talking about having 480Gb of HD space left over.

I reiterate: there is *no* way to justify paying $300 for this craptastic Chromebook vs. someplace between $250 and $300 any day of the week for something like the Toshiba I linked. No. Way. In. Hell.

And if you think there is, you're wrong.


RE: This article is full of bias
By Reclaimer77 on 11/29/2013 9:51:31 PM , Rating: 1
Don't you think it's a little dishonest that you found the lowest price on the planet for that Toshiba, and it's walk in only? You can't even order it online for that price and have it shipped to you.

It's $359.99 on Amazon, as far as I'm concerned that is the price.

It also has ZERO user reviews on Amazon and ONE user review on Newegg. That alone makes me suspicious. If people aren't buying these damn things, why should I?

quote:
An SSD is the *least* important thing to the *VAST* majority of users.


Take the same exact system, but have an SSD on one and a HDD on the other. Do all the double blind tests you want, 100% of the users would tell you the one with the SSD was "faster".

Then come and tell me users don't care.


RE: This article is full of bias
By Alexvrb on 11/29/2013 10:35:49 PM , Rating: 2
Well that all depends. If you tell them that the only choices within their budget are a slow HDD, or a lightning fast SSD that doesn't have adequate storage for all their stuff... the choice isn't so obvious anymore. If you can afford a big enough SSD (at a higher price) or are willing to sacrifice other things (storage space, performance, both) then it's a lot simpler.

SSDs are better. Just like discrete graphics are better. Doesn't mean HDDs and integrated graphics don't have a home, especially way on the low end. I'd recommend a hybrid drive but they're a bit pricey, especially if you start looking at something like the Black2.

Unfortunetely most users don't want to deal (or don't know how to deal with) with two distinct storage pools/drives. A good SSD cache (mSATA etc) is often a good compromise, at least in mid-range laptops. Intel does have a pretty good caching option... I wish AMD would offer something like that without having to rely on third party caching software.


RE: This article is full of bias
By Motoman on 11/30/2013 12:55:31 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
If you tell them that the only choices within their budget are a slow HDD, or a lightning fast SSD that doesn't have adequate storage for all their stuff... the choice isn't so obvious anymore. If you can afford a big enough SSD (at a higher price) or are willing to sacrifice other things (storage space, performance, both) then it's a lot simpler.


It's really sad that some people can't get this.

Is an SSD "better" than a HDD? Sure. Would most people prefer to have SSD performance over HDD performance? Sure.

...but in the case above, try telling the user they can either have a ridiculously tiny 32Gb SSD or a 500Gb HDD for the same price. If you've got someone who's financially limited to the sub-$300 laptop market, there's not really a choice to be made there...you'd be an abject retard if you went with only 32Gb of storage space.

And if you can afford to buy a large SSD, then you're not in the market for a $300 laptop, now are you?


Hmmm
By Breakfast Susej on 11/28/2013 12:02:54 PM , Rating: 2
I find it more than a little ironic that Microsoft would launch an ad campaign picking Google apart for an always online device, given their original vision for the Xbox One.

When in Rome I guess.




RE: Hmmm
By rsmech on 11/28/2013 1:57:25 PM , Rating: 3
Yet MS was criticized for it and Google gets a pass.


RE: Hmmm
By sprockkets on 11/28/2013 6:20:13 PM , Rating: 3
Maybe because a chromebook doesn't turn into a brick when it can't check in every 24 hours to make sure your copy of chrome is is legit.


RE: Hmmm
By rsmech on 11/29/2013 8:34:03 PM , Rating: 2
Why would Google brick their product. (YOU) You need to stop looking at Google as making products. They collect them.

This isn't bashing Google. If you like it fine just quit missing the elephant in the room.


RE: Hmmm
By Moishe on 12/3/2013 5:12:04 PM , Rating: 2
The Chromebook doesn't "brick" when offline, but the functionality IS reduced. That's the exact way the XB1 works. It's not that it doesn't work, it just doesn't do everything it can do while online.

Neither one stops working. He's right, Google is getting a pass where Microsoft is getting bashed.

Let's be honest. Microsoft is being petty, but ChromeOS is by definition less powerful and less capable than Windows. I think and hope that it will change because we all win when there is competition, but right now, Windows beats ChromeOS in almost everything.


.....
By Stephen! on 11/27/2013 5:20:41 PM , Rating: 4

Ironically, they attack ChromeBooks, yet during their antitrust they argued the existence of Mac and Linux as a defense that Windows didn't have a monopoly.




RE: .....
By melgross on 11/27/2013 6:26:25 PM , Rating: 1
Let's remember that they are struggling with Win 8 now, and they weren't struggling before.


Lol really?
By NellyFromMA on 11/28/2013 12:31:19 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
Feel free to share your thoughts on which budget laptop is "worthless" -- the thin, light, Chromebook with a fast SSD, latest-generation Intel processor, and 7.5 hours of battery life, or the Metro UI-packing Windows 8.1 laptop with more memory (4 GB), but a last generation processor, a slower HDD, a thick/heavier body, and only 4 hours of moderate-to-light use on a full charge.


LOL, DT doesn't even try to hide the bias anymore. It just pleasures itself in being an ad disguised as tech news.




RE: Lol really?
By Monkey's Uncle on 12/1/2013 11:22:54 AM , Rating: 2
Look, if you don't like the stories DT is posting, then stop coming here and reading them.

Nobody's holding a gun to your head and forcing you.

Solution is simple: Don't like it? Leave. Easy Peasy Lemon Squeezy.


RE: Lol really?
By NellyFromMA on 12/2/2013 10:49:32 AM , Rating: 2
Actually, I like voicing my opinion. Ya, I'm at the point where I will stop reading the articles that are clearly bait. But just because I don't like something or disagree with it on any of various grounds, doesn't mean I run away from it. Try this for size:

Don't like my comments? Don't read them. Don't like Win 8? Don't use it. Google? Same thing. See where I'm going with this?


By SpartanJet on 11/28/2013 10:22:36 PM , Rating: 1
Great commercial and so true. I wonder when people will wake up and see what """""""FREE"""""" really costs from that Ad company. Plus these netbooks errr "chromebooks" are a joke I wouldn't touch one. Windows 8.1 or nothing for me.




By Denithor on 11/29/2013 3:21:33 AM , Rating: 2
Speaking of shills...


By synapse46 on 11/29/2013 10:11:59 AM , Rating: 2
I also think chromebooks are mostly useless in their current state, even android would probably be more robust. However, if the average PC user spends 95% of their time in the browser, why pay for the windows license and everything else they wouldn't need.


Cant wait for the anti-PS4 ads...
By jnemesh on 11/27/2013 5:37:22 PM , Rating: 2
I am sure they will be quite entertaining...something along the lines of "720p is good enough" and "it's not competitive if it doesnt have a Kinect".




By ResStellarum on 11/29/2013 1:16:43 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
"it's not competitive if it doesnt have a Kinect"

You mean "Privacy Invading NSA Spy Cam" ;)


ChrUbuntu
By soulbabel on 11/27/2013 8:56:03 PM , Rating: 4
Just install ChrUbuntu, the Ubuntu version prepared for Chrome OS devices, then you can have Linux on low priced hardware.

Also, why is this girl selling a gift she got for her mom? Microsoft humor is bizarre.




Unit of measurements
By agentsmithitaly on 11/28/2013 3:46:35 AM , Rating: 3
quote:
For $299 you get a thin (0.78-inch thick) and light (2.98 lb) laptop with...


Come on Dailytech, if you are catering to an international audience you should use not only US-units but also metric units such as millimeters, grams and Centigrade degrees. As your AnandTech colleagues started doing so.
It would be also another chance to teach Americans these units.... You remember why the Mars Climate Orbiter failed?
Because NASA used metric units, as everybody in the scientific field, and the conctractor didn't!




Can Chromebook run normal OS ?
By Gondor on 11/28/2013 8:01:41 AM , Rating: 2
While I find the ad somewhat funny I also wonder what the big deal about "cloud OS" is - surely this is as much a "normal PC" as any other netbook, isn't it ?

I imagine it can be amde to run Windows or some other distribution of Linux (ChromeOS is based on Linux) or any other OS, meaning that M$ can potentially benefit from sales of Chromebooks, just as it can from sales of non-Chromebook netbooks (which also can run alternative OS).




By Monkey's Uncle on 11/29/2013 12:27:42 PM , Rating: 1
I'm sure you could customize a Linux distro to run on it. However most chromebooks use smartphone or tablet processors so you might be better off hacking an open source version of android to run on it (and yes, Android runs offline just fine).


Chromebook has its place
By Monkey's Uncle on 11/28/2013 8:39:04 PM , Rating: 3
Subject says it.

If all you are doing is online stuff, a Chromebook makes an excellent network client device. It really isn't targeted at being anything else which is just fine for those that need that kind of function and don't want to pay the extra money for offline usage.

Laptops & notebooks are designed to be used offline with additional online capability when needed. Because they are designed to do more, the cost more to make and buy. They are also heavier because of the extra hardware needed to support offline use (don't need a terabyte of hard drive space, 16 GB of memory, 17" screen or DVD drive for an internet terminal).

That a pawn shop would find it pretty much worthless is a given since it was dirt cheap to buy new anyway.




Metro - The loathed UI
By ResStellarum on 11/29/2013 12:11:21 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
But Microsoft does offer one unique "benefit" -- Metro UI.

That's a disadvantage not a benefit. Everyone I know who's used metro hates it. It's fugly, poorly designed, has a lacklustre ecosystem, and the only browser is the craptastic-malware-ridden IE.

The fact that Chrome is immune to malware / viruses / rootkits alone is enough to drive people to it. There's no way in hell I'd risk doing banking or mission critical work on Windows.




Microsoft OS
By Mitch101 on 11/27/2013 4:45:16 PM , Rating: 2
Just like Cyanogenmod releases an OS for other mobile devices Microsoft should do the same. If enough of these chromebooks were to sell it would be cool to have an alternative OS if you don't like it.




WTF, Microsoft?
By jimbojimbo on 11/28/2013 1:13:43 AM , Rating: 2
How are most Windows licenses sold? Through OEMs through new computer sales. Why in the world would they basically be attacking Acer and HP? Sure they're not the biggest PC sellers but they're pretty big. They should instead be attacking Apple like they have attacked them for years with their lies. Acer was pissed about MS selling hardware directly like the Surface and now what do you think they're going to say? They'll probably push to sell as many Chromebooks as they can in the hopes someday they won't have to sell Windows any more since Microsoft is attacking them. It makes no sense whatsoever.
This ad made me want to go buy a Chromebook.




11"?
By Captain Awesome on 11/28/2013 10:49:25 AM , Rating: 2
11" screens? I'd rather just use my phone...




By Dr. Kenneth Noisewater on 11/28/2013 11:15:41 AM , Rating: 2
ChromeOS doesn't support local file shares such as NFS or SMB last time I checked, therefore it is worthless.

Any chance that these Chromebooks can be clobbered and reinstalled with, say, Ubuntu?




By japlha on 11/28/2013 11:38:22 AM , Rating: 2
So Microsoft is criticizing a device that must always be connected to the internet?




Chromebooks are bricks?
By bodar on 11/28/2013 2:13:48 PM , Rating: 2
Good, then we'll have something to throw at our Win8 machines.




Lenovo vs Chrome: tough call
By nilepez on 11/30/2013 2:18:00 AM , Rating: 2
I'd rather boot from an SSD, but 32GB sucks. I'd probably take the 500 GB Windows machine, but I guess I'd have to try it and see just how slow it is once booted and probably how long it takes to come out of hibernation.

I'm sure they're better now, but i remember a die hard Google/*nix co-worker got a free Chrome Book a few years ago and his excitement disappeared within a week or 2.

That said, I'm not the target market for either device. I don't have a great love of laptops, but if I did have one, I'd want one that was powerful. If I can't use it for things like photo editing, then I might as well use a tablet. I suppose if you want a cheap word processor, then Chrome would work (thus the student angle).

It has it's place, but I still don't see anything that's a replacement for a dedicated computer, but if we all have gigabit internet in 10 years, then this could be the future (it does make your data more accessible to the NSA, so I guess that's a good thing ;)




Most useless win 8.1
By TheJian on 12/1/2013 1:30:17 PM , Rating: 2
I can't believe it's called a unique benefit:
"But Microsoft does offer one unique "benefit" -- Metro UI."

I'm assuming you put BENEFIT in quotes to let us know that was just sarcasm ;) Win8/8.1 and foreseeable versions will all get me to stay on xp/7 dual boot until I can't run either of these. I'm all for progress on things in the OS that suck. But they've removed or changed things that already worked fine, just for the sake of change. Stick to improving the OS, rather than adding another 10000 things I care not about.

Buy a decent filesystem frontend (xyplorer, totalcommander, xplorer2 etc) and incorporate that (because you clearly have nobody working for you that knows how a filesystem is used!). What was the need for a new start menu? If you can't tell me I can do whatever your new fandangled "FEATURE" is faster than I could do whatever it's replacing from before, then AXE THAT FEATURE NOW! Reveal MORE of the OS to me, NEVER less. You can make a checkbox so I can disable VERBOSE modes (so to speak) but never remove them. I should always have the option of telling my PC (checkbox?) I'm a PC genius so don't ask me a cotton picking thing, I already know what I'm doing, so get the heck out of my way so I can get some stuff done!

It looks like the next version of windows (v9?) is going to be another rev of 8.1. So MS just keeps ticking me off even more, completely oblivious to why I can't wait for a decent SOC in another OS that will give me some work away from windows, along with great gaming too. Once 20nm SOCS (maybe 16/14nm) hit and someone comes with a 3.5ghz+ quad for desktops MS will have trouble keeping me on windows for anything other than a few apps that are windows/mac only now. I hope that changes in the next few years.




By DT_Reader on 12/2/2013 6:43:17 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Is the HP Chromebook 11 a brick? Microsoft and Pawn Stars may say so, but AnandTech says otherwise

But the quote from AnandTech does not mention offline use, so does not address the issue of it being a brick.

I want any Microsoft competitor to succeed, but the Chromebook doesn't cut it for me. One thing the ads mention that this article does not is the fact that Google watches everything you do on it; that's a dealbreaker for me. My only question - the only reason I'd consider one - is this: Can it run Linux? We all know it's based on Linux, but that doesn't mean you can load Ubuntu or Fedora on it.




Childish
By TakinYourPoints on 12/3/2013 1:50:02 AM , Rating: 2
This goes way beyond the hatchet jobs most competitors do on each other: http://www.microsoftstore.com/store/msusa/en_US/ca...

http://www.microsoftstore.com/store/msusa/en_US/pd...

http://www.microsoftstore.com/store/msusa/en_US/pd...

This is like some tacky thing a lonely neckbeard would get on a fansite, but its actually on the official store. Seriously?




FIND AMAZING JOBS......
By aristotlexjj621 on 11/27/13, Rating: -1
Funny AD for sure but....
By rocky12345 on 11/27/13, Rating: -1
RE: Funny AD for sure but....
By sprockkets on 11/27/13, Rating: 0
RE: Funny AD for sure but....
By rocky12345 on 11/27/2013 9:05:07 PM , Rating: 2
I see you missed my point & several other peoples point as well. What I was saying he talked like the 32GB SSD was better than the 500GB hard drive. Yes it would be better in a OS that does not take up a lot of room but that same 32GB SSD would suck in a OS like Windows that uses a huge amount of space but it would make a great cach drive for the much larger 500GB drive in a Windows setup but not much more than that.

Yes I would prefer ta SSD drive over a Spindle drive any day but the SSD would have to be much larger than a puny 32GB for sure.


RE: Funny AD for sure but....
By Reclaimer77 on 11/28/2013 12:13:11 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
What I was saying he talked like the 32GB SSD was better than the 500GB hard drive.


It is.


RE: Funny AD for sure but....
By inighthawki on 11/28/2013 2:59:08 AM , Rating: 2
That depends on what you need it for. Capacity is just as valid of a specification to base your choice on as speed. Fast SSDs are great but unless the only thing you use your drive for is an OS and some photos, 32GB will run out quickly, even with a thin OS and a liberal amount of cloud storage.

I purchased a new laptop a few weeks ago, and after partitioning the drive to dedicate a partition for the OS, the other partition is already using 82GB, and none of that is photos, music, or videos. Just applications, a few small games, and some programming projects. If you gave me a choice between a 32GB SSD and a 500GB hard drive, I'd laugh at you and take the hard drive any day. Good speed is useless if you can't do anything on it.


RE: Funny AD for sure but....
By rsmech on 11/27/2013 9:08:46 PM , Rating: 1
Are you seriously arguing 32gb is equal to 500gb. That's funny. They couldn't even give you 128gb or even 64gb. If I need a flash drive I'll carry it in my pocket not a bag.


RE: Funny AD for sure but....
By rocky12345 on 11/27/2013 11:00:03 PM , Rating: 2
no i was not saying 32GB ssd was as big as a 500GB if you were replying to me. I was actually saying 32GB is pretty much puny & would barely hold a Windows install...lol crap I got 64GB USB sticks that are far more useful to me...lol


RE: Funny AD for sure but....
By rsmech on 11/27/2013 11:52:59 PM , Rating: 2
Was agreeing with you.


RE: Funny AD for sure but....
By jimbojimbo on 11/28/2013 1:17:48 AM , Rating: 2
But the point of the comparison is the 32GB model holds the Chrome OS, NOT Windows so won't need so much. Also, most of what Chrome OS does is online so why would you need 500GB?
If you want to store all your music somewhere, yes, 500GB is better even at 5400RPM. If you want a fast OS that boots up and starts apps in no time then yes, a 32GB SSD is better. With Chrome OS though you don't need the storage so 32GB SSD would be better for it. Windows 8.1 on a 5400RPM drive would be unbearably slow these days though.


RE: Funny AD for sure but....
By rsmech on 11/27/2013 9:14:25 PM , Rating: 1
I think the 32gb "drive" you would take anytime would be better off in my phone micro SD slot. It would save me $175.


RE: Funny AD for sure but....
By evo slevven on 11/27/2013 11:55:51 PM , Rating: 1
Problem is how people are comparing devices for devices w/out actually thinking bout it more thoroughly. Its like Apple accusing Samsung saying Samsung phones are just like an Apple phone w/out an IOS in it. Google and OEM's have really invested distinguishing this stuff but people get confused listening to their "techie" at work.

Yeah I have multiple devices and I do have a chromebook, an HP Slate (gifted), a toshiba with an A10 AMD and a custom desktop with multi OS's on it. My Samsung Chromebook is nice for those activities I want to sit it at a coffee house, visit people for a few days or travel and need something more than a tablet. The tablet is my least used device but I used mostly for reading online content and media. The laptop was something when I went out and needed something to do PC repairs.

IS a Chromebook functional versus Windows? No. Does it do the job? Yea. Does it do the job better than a Windows tablet or cheap $300 PC laptop? Yea. Why? Because any $300 laptop is going to be really shitty and slow and for all the cheap costs to buy it I'm stuck with a longterm headache. I believe in celeron, pentium and AMD-E/C processors as I do the Chinese government when it says it doesn't hack the US.

And frankly since all I do with it is use my chromebook as a glorified tablet with a keyboard at least I can sit down anywhere, do some work and not carry a giant brick.

Ultrabooks are the only real competitor for form and speed but not on price. Again pick your device on what you do not what others do.


RE: Funny AD for sure but....
By rsmech on 11/27/2013 9:22:49 PM , Rating: 2
Hay you forgot the 100gb online storage free. (small print- for 2 years.
After that you may want to back it up on your obsolete 500gb drive.


RE: Funny AD for sure but....
By jabber on 11/28/2013 5:18:44 AM , Rating: 2
I guess you've written this without actually having used a Chromebook?

To folks that have been used to the Microsoft/laptop scenario for the past 20 years...Chromebooks don't work the same way. It's a different way of using tech.

When I look at any Chromebook article on mainstream forums you can always spot the posts from folks that haven't used them for any appreciable amount of time.


RE: Funny AD for sure but....
By Flunk on 11/28/2013 9:10:39 AM , Rating: 2
Really? Because in my experience Chrome OS is like using Ubuntu Linux, but disabling all other programs other than Chromium. It seems like a needlessly locked down experience that locks you totally in to Google's ecosystem.

Microsoft Windows became popular because anyone could write and distribute software for it, the same with Android. I think Google is making a mistake by locking everything down. It makes Chrome OS less useful without gaining anything.


RE: Funny AD for sure but....
By rsmech on 11/28/2013 11:57:30 AM , Rating: 2
If your in the know and I won't disagree that you may be please educate us.


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