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Don't trust everything you read on the internet -- or Google News

There's a rampant rumor about cell phones and telemarketers circling the internet via blog sites and emails.  DailyTech even received a news suggestion on the topic.  It reads something, like:

In just 4 days from today all U. S. cell phone numbers will be released to telemarketing companies and you will begin to receive sales calls. You will be charged for these calls! Even if you do not answer, the telemarketer will end up in your voice mail and you will be charged for all of the minutes the incoming (usually recorded) message takes to complete. You will then also be charged when you call your voice mail to retrieve your messages.

To prevent this, call 888-382-1222 from your cell phone. This is the national DO NOT CALL list; it takes only a minute to register your cell phone number and it blocks most telemarketers calls for five years.

So what's the only problem?  The rumor is total rubbish.

Rumor debunking site Snopes.com has collected similar emails dating back to 2004, all with similarly dire warnings.  The site believes that the warnings started when the largest cell phone providers -- Alltel, AT&T Wireless, Cingular, Nextel, Sprint PCS, and T-Mobile -- several years ago banded together to create a national directory of cell phone users for 411 use.  The exodus of customers from land lines to cell phones made such a directory highly attractive.  The companies hired Qsent, Inc. to create the directory and since the task has been passed on to TransUnion.

However, extreme limitations were put on this directory to prevent abuse.  First customers had to specifically opt in, and telecoms could not add users without a specific request, and no fees would be assessed to add or delete customers.  Many of these provisions are doubly protected by laws that have since been passed.  Further, it is still illegal for most telemarketers to call consumer cell phones.  Lastly, it should be noted that the 411 directory would never be printed or distributed.

Amazingly, like the chain letter writers of the days of yore, the alarmists continue to crawl out each year and litter the internet with these uninformed warnings.  Today, one such warning made the front page of Google News' Sci/Tech section (see picture).  All this panic comes despite Qsent/TransUnion never having finished the 411 directory, let alone making any attempt to open it to telemarketers.  This spam only serves to accentuate a trusty old adage -- don't believe everything you read on the internet.



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So... Should I beleive this?
By arsmitty86 on 5/14/2009 10:04:34 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
This spam only serves to accentuate a trusty old adage -- don't believe everything you read on the internet.


Hmmmm... Maybe YOU'RE the one spreading lies and rumors 0.o.

j/k couldn't resist...




RE: So... Should I beleive this?
By borowki2 on 5/14/2009 10:15:59 AM , Rating: 5
Without seeing the vault copy of Jason Mick's birth certificate, we won't know for sure that he isn't an Indian telemarketer out to trick us.


RE: So... Should I beleive this?
By arsmitty86 on 5/14/2009 10:34:53 AM , Rating: 5
It presents an interesting dialog.

Kid 1: Don't beleive everything you read on the internet.
Kid 2: Why?
Kid 1: I read it on the internet.
Kid 2: ?
Kid 1: It's simple. I read on the internet that you shouldn't beleive everything you beleive on the internet.
Kid 2: Ok...


RE: So... Should I beleive this?
By JasonMick (blog) on 5/14/2009 10:57:24 AM , Rating: 4
Well at least we now know that any evil androids out there have now self-destructed upon reading this and entering a circular logic loop! ;)

Evil Android : Hmm this website says I cannot trust the internet.
Evil Android : But then... I cannot trust the website.
Evil Android : Does not compute! Does not compute! *explodes*

(at least according to Star Trek and other sci-fi canon...)


RE: So... Should I beleive this?
By arsmitty86 on 5/14/09, Rating: -1
RE: So... Should I beleive this?
By Lifted on 5/14/09, Rating: -1
RE: So... Should I beleive this?
By HighWing on 5/14/2009 1:12:56 PM , Rating: 3
welcome to NOT reading an article before you reply to it

quote:
Rumor debunking site Snopes.com has collected similar emails dating back to 2004


The link you posted was posted in the article that you obviously didn't read. Because if you did, you would have also read that the reason this article is up is because this rumor made it onto google news recently. Hence making it "recent" news now.


By foolsgambit11 on 5/15/2009 7:30:15 PM , Rating: 3
It's the classic Epimenides Paradox.


By hallubalooza on 5/14/2009 4:44:36 PM , Rating: 2
It may be a rumor but I hate how many telemarketer calls I receive both at home and work not to mention on my cell phone. Especially since I am on the Do Not Call list for all 3 numbers!!!!!!!


Not quite a telemarketers but..
By ziggo on 5/14/2009 10:09:17 AM , Rating: 5
Myself and my wife keep getting calls on our cell phones about "your auto warranty is about to expire, buy our over priced 3rd party warranty" on our cell phones. I have asked multiple times to be removed from the list, and even filed an FCC complaint against the company. It really seems like nothing more than phishing over the phone lines.

Also, Time-Warner Cable abuses our cell phones by calling to "check our satisfaction with our service", but that's not why they are calling. They are calling to harass me into buying their digital voip phone service for 30$ a month. (using the Bandwidth I already pay for)

AND, my wife's cell # got sold out to some company trying to convince her to accept delivery for some inane free stuff, "all you have to do is pay 1$ for shipping with a credit card", no doubt signing her up for some monthly plan to have junk sent at outrageous prices, if it isn't just a complete phishing scam.

True telemarketers may not be able to use cell numbers, but that doesn't mean they aren't already being abused.




RE: Not quite a telemarketers but..
By Lord 666 on 5/14/09, Rating: -1
By Tsuwamono on 5/14/2009 12:04:35 PM , Rating: 1
oh thats cold..


RE: Not quite a telemarketers but..
By cyriene on 5/14/2009 10:43:32 AM , Rating: 2
I keep getting the auto-warranty calls on my cell as well. I also recently got a call for a home security system. I talked to the guy and said I don't have a home so please take me off the list. He said "OK," but who knows if he actually did.


RE: Not quite a telemarketers but..
By transamdude95 on 5/14/2009 11:28:10 AM , Rating: 2
Register your cell phone on the Do Not Call Registry. I believe telemarketers must update their do not call lists each month. I got an average of 3 calls a day from some a-holes trying to 'sell' me warranty for my car. It's not so much telemarketing, more phishing. They will never remove you from their lists and pressing '1' or whatever will only let them know that number is active. About 2-3 weeks after registering my cell number, the calls completely stopped.

Also, I remember watching the Today show a couple weeks ago and Matt Lauer was complaining about getting calls from these people.


RE: Not quite a telemarketers but..
By GTVic on 5/14/2009 6:50:04 PM , Rating: 2
In Canada there was no restriction on who could access this list. Some companies were requesting the list and adding everyone on the list to their "phonebook".


By pixelslave on 5/14/2009 11:36:08 AM , Rating: 2
Did you read at the text of this article at all? It's focusing on the cell phone directory's abuse. The auto warranty call you mentioned -- it's widely known that the company that calls rely on generated phone number to call EVERYONE. They didn't get the number from a directory. Instead, they just robo-call every valid phone number combinations. It's reported by many news outlets in recent month.

As for Time-Warner -- unless I am mistaken, they are probably allowed to call you IF you are its customer and your cell phone number is listed in your account info. I don't think the DO-NOT-CALL list covers calls to customers that have existing relationship with a vendor.


By homerdog on 5/14/2009 12:27:49 PM , Rating: 2
I got that same call twice. My truck is 16 years old, that's one hell of a warranty :)


RE: Not quite a telemarketers but..
By nayy on 5/14/2009 2:55:26 PM , Rating: 2
I can get you off those lists, just reply me with your cell phone number, and I'll take care of it.

*Smiles maliciously*


By kattanna on 5/15/2009 11:37:38 AM , Rating: 2
yeah, me and the fiance both get TONS of those calls, and they are never coming from the same number either.


RE: Not quite a telemarketers but..
By Alareth on 5/16/2009 3:33:27 PM , Rating: 2
Oh, I suspect and end to the auto warrnty calls shortly ...

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/05/ft...


I refuse...
By MrBlastman on 5/14/2009 10:51:06 AM , Rating: 1
To add any of my phone numbers to the national do not call list. When did it hurt to actually say "no" to someone calling you to try and sell you something? It is pretty painless and doesn't hurt you. There are a few honest professions out there where cold calling gives them a shot at making it in this world. Sometimes they have no money and are starting with nothing but are willing to work their behinds off to try and get ahead.

I see no reason at all to penalize them for trying to get ahead in the world. So, I give them their fair shot. If it is something I don't want, I politely say no and hang up. Who knows, someday (and it has happened on occasion), someone with just the thing I need might call, saving me quite a bit of time in finding it on my own.




RE: I refuse...
By superunknown98 on 5/14/2009 11:08:04 AM , Rating: 2
haha, you do realize that given the chance telemarketers would be calling you 24/7 right? If your phone rings every minute with telemarketing calls you will eventually stop picking up your phone. Granted you could only pick up for numbers you know, but there is a possibility you could miss an important call from an unknown number.

Think of it this way. You wouldn't watch a TV channel that only ran unsolicited commcials would you? ( not including HSN or the like) You don't like websites that give you pop up ads do you?

This is why I never pick up my land line phone. 98% of the calls are from someone selling something. It's practically worthless.


RE: I refuse...
By nixoofta on 5/14/2009 12:41:40 PM , Rating: 2
It sounds like you need someone to talk to. I don't think,..well,..wait,...no....you have to call them,...with credit card in hand actually. So yeah,...your way is cheaper.


RE: I refuse...
By ZachDontScare on 5/14/2009 2:49:53 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
When did it hurt to actually say "no" to someone calling you to try and sell you something? It is pretty painless and doesn't hurt you.


Spoken like someone who's never worked night shifts. After you've been woken up several times every day and have gone a month without being able to get decent nights sleep because you keep getting woken up by telemarketers, come back and tell us how it doesnt hurt to just answer the phone and say no. The Do-Not-Call lists have been a God-send. Though they still dont stop ALL calls because not everyone respects them.

Turn the ringer off, you might say? Sure! What if its an emergency call that I need to take? Well, I guess grandma can take herself to the doctor.

Telemarketing is among the most despicable professions. Its very existence is based on the premise that their right to make you hear a sales pitch exceeds your right not to be bothered. On the phone line you're paying for, at that. Its fundamentally based on rudeness.

I like to call it what it really is - phone spam. At least spammers dont wake me up or interrupt my work when they send me something. I only have to see it when I check mail.

And dont even get me started on robo-calls.


RE: I refuse...
By myhipsi on 5/15/2009 1:17:53 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
To add any of my phone numbers to the national do not call list. When did it hurt to actually say "no" to someone calling you to try and sell you something?


Ahh, because I'd being saying "no" ten times a day. Not only that but if their product or service was actually decent or valuable in any way, they wouldn't need to call me, hounding me to buy it.

If you have a product or service you think is valuable enough that people will demand it, then do what any reputable company would do and ADVERTISE your product or service. If it's a good product/service for a good price then people will CALL YOU, not the other way around.

No one can justify phone solicitation to me unless it is for a charity (which I can somewhat understand). It's annoying, especially when 90% of the calls come when you're eating supper.

My message to any phone solicitors: "I don't want your product, if I did, I'd call you, so kindly f*ck off."


Not so sure they're not selling the number
By Narcofis on 5/14/2009 10:40:40 AM , Rating: 2
The company I worked for just got 10 cells from AT&T. In a matter of days after getting the phones which by the way weren't even distributed or used!!! We started getting marketing calls.

You know the one about your car warranty. So annoying.
Can somebody reference where it says it's illegal for telemarketers to solicit on cell phones.




By HaB1971 on 5/14/2009 11:12:03 AM , Rating: 3
quote:
The company I worked for just got 10 cells from AT&T. In a matter of days after getting the phones which by the way weren't even distributed or used!!! We started getting marketing calls.


Do you honestly believe that all new phones come with brand new, still in the shrink wrap phone numbers?

Random automated number dialing makes all of the annoying phone calls possible and of course does not directly target a specific number other than area code.


RE: Not so sure they're not selling the number
By transamdude95 on 5/14/09, Rating: -1
By GaryJohnson on 5/14/2009 1:24:14 PM , Rating: 4
http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2005/04/dnc.shtm
quote:
Telemarketing to cell phone numbers has always been illegal


Hmmm...
By moflaherty on 5/14/2009 10:12:30 AM , Rating: 2
I got a weird call on my cell yesterday. After googling the number, it sounds like there are some companies ramping up the spam calls based on the number that called me (804-234-9010.) I verified my cell is on the Do Not Call list and lodged a complaint. Whether google is wrong or not, this did happen to me yesterday for the first time...




RE: Hmmm...
By nixoofta on 5/14/2009 5:46:55 PM , Rating: 2
Here's a good link:

http://800notes.com/

or the one with your caller ID #:

http://800notes.com/Phone.aspx/1-804-234-9010

and what you can do about it:

http://www.killthecalls.com/

I lodged an online complaint about hangups from a caller ID # but I dont know if it helps. The "call and disconnect" I think is meant to cause you to want to call them. It's a creative way around the "Do-Not-Call" list. Phone-Harrassholes. There should be an "Open Season".


RE: Hmmm...
By johnsonx on 5/14/2009 11:24:25 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
The "call and disconnect" I think is meant to cause you to want to call them. It's a creative way around the "Do-Not-Call" list.


I think they just have more dialers running than they have actual lines/operators to route the calls to. If the auto-dialer gets an answer, and there's no line available, it just hangs up.


Cmon, seriously?
By fezzik1620 on 5/14/2009 10:38:54 AM , Rating: 5
This belongs in the blog section. I've seen this email a couple of times and always reply-to-all with the snopes link.

C'mon, Mick, just because you got the email in your inbox last week does not mean this is a "rampant rumor." I know, the news here is supposed to be that it got a hit on Google News, but seriously, blog it to get it out of your system and leave the DT Home page for the news.




Rumour? not quite..
By Tsuwamono on 5/14/2009 12:02:23 PM , Rating: 1
My girlfriend and I have both received bullshit telemarketers calling our cell phones.

The whole reason we dont have a house phone is because the only people who would call us on it would be telemarketers...

Needless to say I ripped those telemarketers a new one.




RE: Rumour? not quite..
By novacthall on 5/14/2009 2:42:51 PM , Rating: 2
Usually you can politely explain to the person on the other end that they have called a cellular phone, and they will take the steps necessary to remove you from the list. They're just people trying to do a job, after all.

Failing that, you can always ask to speak to a supervisor or floor manager who can remove your name from the list. Also be sure to mention that you are filing an official report with the FCC and/or your state's Attorney General.

Failing that, I typically don the persona of a one Mithter Bill Thanderth (thpelled how it thoundth!), who is just THUPER THRILLED you called and will waste your time until you figure out you're being played and nothing you can possibly say will ever result in anything productive. Sadly, Mithter Thanderth has actually gotten both my cell and my wife's cell numbers removed from those auto warranty robocallers. Looks like my fun is over for now.

Hey, I try to be nice. But if you're going to keep calling me when I've specifically asked you politely not to, you can't expect me to take you seriously.

Remember: don't get mad. Get even. And have a nice day. =)


Good Strategy
By atlmann10 on 5/14/2009 2:25:33 PM , Rating: 3
I get calls from telemarketers on my phone all the time. When I answer it there is usually a second comment that asks if you want to be removed from the call list and say press 2 or 3 etc. I have done that but it didn't work so whenever a telemarketer calls me I say I really like your a77, thereafter all I say is a77 over and over until they hang up. I know this is juvenile, but it actually seems to work. I imagine the telemarketer instantly removes me from there call register. Either way I usually don't hear from that company anymore, all ya gotta do is say A77, a77,A77,a77 or the somewhat abusive cuss word of your choice.




By Richardito on 5/14/2009 11:08:30 AM , Rating: 2
If you go to forums you will find posts from people (like me) that repeatedly get phone calls to their cell phones from spammers. They fake the caller ID number that you get on your cell phone so they can never be traced back to the origin. It is usually about "You've won a price/vacation" and you need to press a key to claim it. It has always been pre-recorded messages in my case just like those old dailing machines. There should be a death penalty for anyone spamming in this way (or any other).




By amanojaku on 5/14/2009 2:16:49 PM , Rating: 2
Or, why you probably don't have to do anything.

quote:
Warranty ‘robo-callers’ may hear from D.C.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30694581/?GT1=43001




Spam calls...
By croc on 5/14/2009 8:43:04 PM , Rating: 2
Perhaps if the mobile phone company only charged the calling party, this would not be as much of an issue. In AUS, our do not call register does not block not-for-profits or political groups. But the high cost of calling a mobile seesm to keep my mobile silent unless it's someone really trying to call me.




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