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Telling users how to remove restraints on consoles they legally own may cost a German man his freedom. But faced with a damning Sony lawsuit, he says the company should "just kill" him as he won't give up his quest to free users.  (Source: Icon Productions/Paramount Pictures)

Those who oppose Sony's tactics are encouraged to support a boycott and/or to donate to Mr. Egorenkov. Anonymous and other groups have also called for ongoing attacks on Sony's online properties in retaliation.  (Source: Google Images)
Sony harassment of the modding/hacking community continues even as it faces a record number of intrusions

People often ask what exactly Sony Corp. (6758) did to convince hackers groups like LulzSec and Anonymous to hack the company 19 times so far [1][2][3][4][5][6][7].  An answer may lie in cases like that of Alexander Egorenkov.

Mr. Egorenkov, a young German and associate of the team of German hardware hackers fail0verflow helped people jailbreak the PlayStation 3 by authoring the "Hypervisor Bible" [torrent] a guide to Sony's PS3 software protection layer.  Mr. Egorenkov, who goes by "graf_chokolo" online, says his goal was simply to allow people to make full use of the hardware they legally bought.

Sony initially encouraged Linux (OtherOS) installs on PS3s, but with the launch of the PS3 Slim killed the support and issued patches that blocked existing machines from utilizing the newly disallowed Linux.

When famed U.S. iPhone hacker George "GeoHot" Hotz and the folks at fail0verflow hacked the PS3 and reallowed Linux via jailbreak, an outraged Sony lashed out.  Harassing Mr. Hotz with court-aided intrusions into his private online accounts, Sony similarly worked to punish Mr. Egorenkov for trying to free users from Sony's restraints.

They convinced German authorities to raid Mr. Egorenkov's home and seize his personal computers and electronics.  They also filed suit against him in Hamburg District Court (Docket no. 310 O 24/11) for 1M € (appr. $1.43M USD) in damages.  The court ordered him to take down any copies of the "Hypervisor Bible".  

Mr. Egorenkov refused to comply.  He uploaded a backup copy of "coolstuff.rar", which Sony's lawyer Peter Ruess says includes "copies, decrypted copies and reverse-engineered information of files belonging to the confidential core firmware used in the PlayStation3 which is distributed by our client."  

Backups were given to friends to prevent Sony's efforts to permanently remove the guide.

Sony motioned for Mr. Egorenkov to be found in violation of court order, which a Hamburg judge affirmed.  A defiant Mr. Egorenkov writes that Sony would have to kill him to keep him silent.  He writes:
The SONY's lawyer asked me why I'm doing what I'm doing, because of my hatred for SONY? He cannot understand why I'm doing it, because he is paid for what he does. I'm not. I don't hold a grudge against SONY even now Hatred clouds your mind, keeps you from more important things. I have a better use for my mind and knowledge.

So, SONY you failed again, you took my equipment but my mind is still free and you canot control it. You failed again. They are just tools, I can get new ones and will continue my HV reversing and bringing back PS3 Linux which you took from us. If you want me to stop then you should just kill me because I cannot live without programming, HV and Linux kernel hacking You know who am I and where I live, so come and get me !!!
(Capitalization edited for readability.)

Well, unlike GeoHot who was fortunate enough to earn a reportedly favorable settlement with Sony, Mr. Egorenkov was not so fortunate.  He's reportedly bankrupt and has been ordered to go to prison in Germany if he can't find a way to pay up for his court costs and damages to Sony.

He writes on his blog:
Hi guys, no money left anymore. Going to jail soon probably because I cannot pay court costs.

But I'm ready to stand up for everything I said and go to jail for that too. It’s not important to win, more important is to show them that we are ready to fight, that they cannot scare me off easily. Yeah, I'm ready to go to jail for my believes and my principles.

Most of people probably think that all computer and kernel hackers are weak kids, hiding in a cellar, eating pizza whole day, writing software and looking for attention Maybe, but that’s NOT me. And I will get out eventually and continue my work. My work means very much to me.
(Capitalization edited for readability.)

People interested in supporting Mr. Egorenkov's efforts to retain his freedom are encouraged to donate here.

It's sad the inconvenience to gamers that the recent attacks on Sony have caused.  But one has to wonder if Sony isn't partially to blame for it, given its belligerent stance towards its most tech-savvy users.

This behavior stands in sharp contrast with rivals Nintendo (TYO:7974) who has long cast a blind eye on jailbreaking and pirated software and Microsoft Corp. (MSFT) who at worst banned modders from using its online service, but more recently has taken a gentler stance working with top Windows Phone 7 jailbreakers to offer a (legal) jailbreak at "a small fee".


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Good
By EricMartello on 6/18/2011 7:26:44 PM , Rating: 5
I respect people who stand up for their beliefs and don't back down in the face of adversity...but what I'm disgusted with is the way "first world" countries believe they have a right to strip away human rights to protect corporate interests. Jail time for enabling linux on a PS3? Really? That's what it boils down to...and for the way Sony is handling this situation I hope they are the target of many more cyber attacks - they deserve every bit of lost revenue and lost customers they are getting.




RE: Good
By MonkeyPaw on 6/18/2011 7:42:22 PM , Rating: 5
The problem is, you can better protest Sony's evil by never buying another product. Sony will always outmuscle individuals by using high priced lawyers, but they can't do one thing about you never buying another product. From what I've seen, no more Sony purchases for me. And that's the other thing, there are many greater injustices than losing OtherOS, and the only way to beat Sony is not buy. Cracking and hacking just makes Sony look like a victim, and no sympathy goes to people who start stealing customer data. That screws everyone, not just Sony. Especially once the legislators have at it. Follow the money!


RE: Good
By Mitch101 on 6/18/2011 9:13:08 PM , Rating: 3
100% with you on that and will add to it my own personal experiences with Sony products.

1 - I dont buy that credit card data was stolen for personal gain. I havent heard of a single case of the Sony Credit Cards stolen being used. I believe that Sony poorly had credit card information within the database that was accessed when the hacking group accessed the customer data. Meaning a Select Star statement grabbed everything but I cant confirm that because Sony will never reveal the details on how poorly they secured information.

2 - Sony has not made a quality product in years. Every product I have purchased that was made by Sony have long since died off or needed repair. That alone has made me swear off purchasing Sony products. Crap in a nice box.

3 - Is the obvious on how insanely poor they treated the community. The PS3 was marketed and sold with Linux as an option but Sony pulled support. Were not talking a large percentage but dont lock them out when you sold it that way. Maybe its not cost effective but when they dropped support I doubt many were buying the PS3 for linux because PC's had far surpassed what a PS3 could do. Drop support when the PS4 arrives.

4 - Again obvious but how poorly Sony didnt secure customer information. Sony leaks almost as bad as the Fukushima reactors every week its a new story that should have been told a week earlier.

5 - Sony is just s shady organization now when they made up fake fans just shows you how low this organization has become.
Sony admits fake fans on ad
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/1395063.s...


RE: Good
By chick0n on 6/19/11, Rating: -1
RE: Good
By Mitch101 on 6/19/2011 12:31:54 PM , Rating: 2
Can you provide a link or source verifying the credit cards are being used? I have not heard of any other than you and the other poster. Ive had the same result from a gas station attendant so I am skeptical to the Sony leak.

Im sorry to disappoint you but every Sony product I purchased in the last 10 years has died within 2-2.5 years max. Sony is higher priced than anyone else to begin with so its already a premium to purchase any sony product no matter if its their bottom line you should expect Sony quality as it costs more than most other brands. My Sony DVD player cost $149.00 when you could purchase a DVD player for $50.00. Paying an extra $100 it should have had some quality in there.

Of My friends devices.
Outside of that Sony HDTV dead every year for either fan failure or bulb.

Every Sony DVD players Im aware of unable to read disc errors months to 2 years into device purchase. From single disc to multi readers all junk. Several with failed motors.

Sony VAIO laptop dead hard drive within months to failed video within 2 years. Barely ever moved used as a desktop.

I remember Sony from my childhood where you had to trash or give away the product because it wouldn't die. Sony is another way to spell SH*T today.

If you think I'm just picking on Sony I haven't had much luck with Panasonic products in the last 7-8 years either but havent purchased many of them.


RE: Good
By Mitch101 on 6/19/2011 12:34:58 PM , Rating: 2
Forgot my mother in laws Sony Prosumer digital camera which has been replaced twice because it just dies when you power it on it just blinks. Never been dropped just junk pure junk.


RE: Good
By fhornmikey on 6/19/11, Rating: 0
RE: Good
By Mitch101 on 6/19/2011 3:56:38 PM , Rating: 2
Sony doesnt replace the entire camera TWICE because its batteries are low. I might be inclined to believe the charging circuit went bad on both cameras but suspect it was something deeper.

My buddy Bobby had an issue with horizontal lines on his Sony camera after a year of use and replacing it from a previous Sony that stopped working. He bought a Sony again because he had a few of their proprietary memory cards. Normally you replace a digital camera because the new technology has more to offer not because it fails.

I will admit my PS2 still works but thats the only device that survived of them all but it will fail eventually its what sony products do and if I want to play the games Im going to need another.

But lets add two people I know with PSP's that stopped reading discs. One person said he barely used it because the games never delivered.

If it were just a few devices or just my own devices I might agree that its just a fluke but a good 90% of the failed components Ive seen through myself, friends, and family in the last 10 years have almost all been Sony. Thats not a fluke the company just doesnt care because people will call it a fluke and buy Sony again. Some because they locked themselves in with that proprietary memory they sell.

I certainly hope you dont experience the amount of failure Ive seen in Sony products being as invested as you are.

One thing I learned is if a company produces a product everyone else does but adds a proprietary level to them like Sony Memory stick just stay away from them entirely. They get you to buy and you lock yourself in with the proprietary investment and before you know it your stuck with that company because of the proprietary accessories. Just stay away from companies like this. Its less incentive for them to make quality components because they know your invested/locked in.


RE: Good
By chick0n on 6/19/2011 10:29:56 PM , Rating: 1
I hate to say it but people love to blame the fault back to the manufacture when it's actually the user who broke the item.

I have a Sony camera, i forgot the model but it was a 7 mega pixel one. It has been super durable and I got it for maybe 6-7 years and I dropped it like at least 20 times. one time it fell into my sink (my mistake), it shut off of course, I took the battery out, left it on my air purifier which is pretty much on 24/7. about 2 days later. Whoa, it came back to life.

I got 2 PS, 2 PS2, 2 PS3, 3 TV including 2 HDTV and one CRT from like 15 years ago, DVD player, Discman, Walkman, and all other weird stuff. still works.

Luck ? maybe. but I take good care of my stuff, Sony or not. YMMV ?


RE: Good
By Strunf on 6/20/2011 8:14:44 AM , Rating: 2
The proprietary memory argument is a non-issue, memory keep getting faster and bigger, usually people that buy a new camera also buy the memory for it cause new camera = more pixels, hence bigger files and if you want to make movies you need a fast and bigger memory card anyway. Also if you want to sell or give your old camera you include the memory card in it...


RE: Good
By Uncle on 6/19/2011 2:02:33 PM , Rating: 2
Sony is trying to be like apple in the electronics field. Years ago sony had QC, not anymore. Their on par with E-machines but not quite as reliable.LOL and any other third tier products. Can't wait for them to go under, so we can all go "told you so".


RE: Good
By abhaxus on 6/19/2011 5:58:07 PM , Rating: 2
You are either lying, or have the worst luck I have ever heard of when dealing with a major electronics brand.

Like them or not (and actions like this certainly don't make me want to support them), Sony is a reliable and innovative brand. The only brands I can think of off the top of my head that have had better reliability in my 5 years of managing an electronics store are Panasonic and Sharp. I never recommend to people to buy Samsung products with moving parts, or LG plasma TVs, or anything from JVC or Philips. But I own or have used Sony products continuously in store demo situations and can say 100% that I've never seen a Sony TV or computer fail in an environment when they are left on 12 hours per day, 365 days a year. Can't say that for any other brand (other than Panasonic). Samsung blu-ray and DVD players are notorious for being horrible products, the only category Sony dabbles in in CE that I wouldn't buy are their HTIB produts with built in BD or DVD drives.

I'm sorry you had horrible luck, but to say that Sony makes horrible products is really outlandish. That's like saying you aren't satisfied with the quality of Macallan 18 year single malt. What are your standards?


RE: Good
By Bad-Karma on 6/20/2011 3:24:04 AM , Rating: 2
I used to be a firm believer in Sony's ES line of AV gear. But I had two multichannel amps go out within a year or two of their purchase. One just up and failed, the other had a relay that would start rapid switching all on its own. It would just start switching from static & segmented audio about every 1/8 of a second, Wouldn't recover until the unit was powered off and completely cooled down.

Had a 5-disc DVD player die just outside of a year of purchase; tray actuator failed.

When digital cameras first hit the seen my wife picked up a Sony Mavica at the AAFEs in Ramstein (remember the 3.5" floppy model!). 3 months of use and the LCD went almost completely dark. Couldn't use it and Sony refused to cover it under warranty.

The first Amp was replaced under warranty, the second (the replacement) became fodder for my Mossberg. The DVD changer and the Camera went to the local landfill.

Sony conned me out of enough of my cash, they are banned from my household.

However, I still have a couple of Discmans laying around in storage from when I used to deploy a lot in the 90s. I'm pretty sure they still work. Although I doubt I have any actual music CDs left anywhere in my collection!


RE: Good
By Strunf on 6/20/2011 7:59:50 AM , Rating: 2
SONY products have never failed me, my SONY DCR-PC110 bought in 2001 still works fine, the battery however only lasts 10min now... my Cyber-Shot PSC-P150 from 2004 is also just like new!

Also you say your VAIO had its hard drive dead, SONY doesn't make hard drives... not finding them excuses, its just a fact that hard drive fail, I had drives from samsung, wd and maxtor fail me, only Seagate drives haven't... yet!


RE: Good
By nikon133 on 6/20/2011 2:01:51 PM , Rating: 2
I'm sorry but your experience in this case is only anecdotal. For example, my Panasonic stereo died within a week of purchase...so I should come to conclusion Panasonic is crap. But than again, replacement stereo is working fine for years, likewise my two Lumix cameras. Neither experience is enough to prove specific brand's build quality.

Within people I know, there are more than few Bravia TVs, Sony audio/video appliances, Vaio computers, gaming consoles and cameras. We are all tech people (mostly IT) and discuss tech gadgets more often than not... And Sony is well regarded, but such is Samsung, LG, Pana, Toshiba. And my Sony experience is just fine, everything Sony I have (laptop, PS2, PSP, PS3) are not giving me any grief.

All this negativity towards Sony is getting old and tired. I'm not supporting many of their policies, but then again I'm not madly in love with MS, Apple, Samsung (with their Android updates, for example) or any other big corporation. At the end of the day, they are all very similar, following their own guidelines for biggest possible profit. Only difference is, some are more successful, some are less.


RE: Good
By Ricky Williams on 6/19/2011 1:10:39 AM , Rating: 1
I know for a fact that not only did the hackers get credit card numbers, but they are actually printing and selling/using these credit cards, of course you won't hear this from Sony because it opens them up to more liability or from the banks because they are scared to death of not just this attack but multiple data thefts from virtually all the major banks in the past year and don't want to invoke customer hysteria and lose of business. You need to grow up and stop letting your hatred for Sony cloud your views, all companies used actors and fake testimonals in commericials if you are just now realizing this you are awfully gullible. If you honestly think people that hacked Sony didn't do it for personal gain but are some noble hackers standing up for the common man, well the word moron comes to mind but that would be quite an understatement.


RE: Good
By Reclaimer77 on 6/20/2011 3:23:10 PM , Rating: 2
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1 - I dont buy that credit card data was stolen for personal gain.


What's it matter? They still stole it, there's no excuse. Yeah if I was someone that had their credit card information stolen my hackers, I would sure sleep better at night knowing it wasn't for "personal gain"?? Get out of town, man! Poor security isn't an excuse either. Just because I think your locks aren't that great, doesn't mean it's ok for me to bash them and break in.

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2 - Sony has not made a quality product in years. Every product I have purchased that was made by Sony have long since died off or needed repair. That alone has made me swear off purchasing Sony products. Crap in a nice box.


I think you are talking about Apple? I can't rationally go along with this. Their TV sets are as good as it gets, and their high-end (expensive) lines of audio and video equipment are top notch.

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5 - Sony is just s shady organization now when they made up fake fans just shows you how low this organization has become.


Is this a joke? Companies have been using paid actors for fan "testimonials" since the freaking radio was invented. Come on, you're being silly now.


RE: Good
By someguy123 on 6/18/2011 9:30:59 PM , Rating: 2
I do agree that that is one step, but the public is oblivious and needs ridiculous stories like this before they stop giving sony their money.

It's difficult to convince people to stop supporting companies like this without big headlines.


RE: Good
By Reclaimer77 on 6/20/2011 3:27:59 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I do agree that that is one step, but the public is oblivious and needs ridiculous stories like this before they stop giving sony their money.


Because the "public" are just regular people who want a Blu-Ray player they can enjoy games on? That the public, in fact, is NOT made up of idealistic teenagers with some silly notion of taking on the world over a console. Most people have, you know, jobs and families to worry about. Not how they are going to "hack" Linux on a game console.

quote:
It's difficult to convince people to stop supporting companies like this without big headlines.


Right, they should go to Joe's Console Shack down the street and buy his homemade console that can play games and Blu-Ray's instead of Sony's.


RE: Good
By infidel01 on 6/19/2011 2:11:48 PM , Rating: 2
What, how is ignoring the problem the better solution? Your like the kid on the play ground who gets things thrown at him, but just turns around and looks the other way.


RE: Good
By Gondor on 6/19/2011 4:54:25 PM , Rating: 1
Right you are. Man bought a product and tweaked it to his desires. If you went and bought (say) a car, then tuned it to gfet moe HP or to run on LPG or whatever, its manufacturer has exacty nothing against yiou. They might not support your "modding", your actions might void the guarantee but in the end you're free to do whatever you please with your propery - heck, you could just torch your car if you felt it would look better that way. Yes, maybe converting your gas-guzzler to LPG might make the manufacturer look silly, yes perhaps getting 150 extra HP out of that same engine might make the manufacturer look silly, yes perhaps something else you do with THE PRODUCT YOU BOUGHT might make the manufacturer look silly, but ultimately that's a personal decision. It's not as if the manufacturer couldn't make a better product - they simply chose not to, for whatever reasons.

Just who exactly does Sony think they are ? They are in the business of selling products. Their customers paid whatever they are charging for their products. They are using the products they now own in whatever way suits them. What's that got to do with Sony ? They chose to cancel Linux support on PS3. Fine, that's their perogative. But if/when a user finds a way to reinstate Linux support, in spite of Sony's efforts, that has nothing to do with them (except that it goes to show just how inept Sony's engineers really are - if you want to do something, do it right the first time).

I hope mr. Egorenkov gets out of this mess unharmed, with no finacial (or other) implications. I also hope Sony gets bitchslapped by some court big time for their bullying tactics (just like M$ did). They aren't the be-all and end-all of the electronics industry so such practices will only harm them in the long run.


RE: Good
By Reclaimer77 on 6/20/2011 3:32:07 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Just who exactly does Sony think they are ? They are in the business of selling products. Their customers paid whatever they are charging for their products. They are using the products they now own in whatever way suits them. What's that got to do with Sony ? They chose to cancel Linux support on PS3. Fine, that's their perogative. But if/when a user finds a way to reinstate Linux support, in spite of Sony's efforts, that has nothing to do with them (except that it goes to show just how inept Sony's engineers really are - if you want to do something, do it right the first time).


Is it SO hard to figure out? They don't want their PS3's being used to play/stream/upload etc etc pirated media. Which, if we were really honest with ourselves, we would admit is the primary reason anyone would want Linux on a PS3 in the first place.

They were probably pushed or leaned on by the RIAA or somebody to remove the OtherOS feature. Wouldn't surprise me one bit.


RE: Good
By The0ne on 6/20/2011 4:31:12 PM , Rating: 2
Yea, seriously. Linux users are all hackers and pirates! I mean come on, how many kids know how to use Linux in the first place. So that means anyone smart enough or brave enough to tackle Linux is a scum in their own right.

And lets not forget these ahole hackers and programmers "claiming" to like what they do. Seriously who the fck loves programming (I do, so I'm a ahole by right)? And who loves programming and loves doing at work and then bringing it home (again, me..damn I suck).

Come on DT members, suck it up and protest to ban this malevolent trade that is programming! It's nothing but pure evil like Scientology. You are so damn right, it surely isn't hard to figure out why people would want something they own to do what they want with it.

Let's both pray that when you try to show your kids that a hot wheels car can be fun off the tracks that you don't get sue as well.


RE: Good
By Reclaimer77 on 6/20/2011 4:50:55 PM , Rating: 2
Way to put words in my mouth? Please, spare me the melodrama.

Programming? Why would a Linux based PS3 be the best, or even as good, of a programming platform compared to a PC?

Your argument has no merit. If Sony thought "programming" was all people would use it for, they never would have removed the OtherOS feature. It's not hard to figure out.


RE: Good
By The0ne on 6/20/2011 11:40:17 PM , Rating: 2
Of course it's not hard to figure out. Consumers are stupid aholes. Didn't you hear a word I said. And to bring you back to topic of PS3, why wouldn't anyone that knows how not do it? It's great hardware for the money...hell, it's a bargain outright! You play games, movies, steam movies, have it as a server, play music and you know that thing where tons of PS3 compute stuff. That sht should totally be ban!

But again you're right. Sony knows for sure consumers are aholes and uses their products for illegal purposes, all of them in fact. What were they thinking giving people a taste of what they could have and them blamed them for having to take the very "feature" away.

Btw, if it's not programming...what else is there to do with a PS3? Cup holder? Yea...thought so. This isn't melodrama, it's me supporting your opinions clear and through. I just wanted to make sure we're on the same page. I really really wish I was Sony. With this kind of thinking and getting away with them with consumers like you, there's no telling what I do. I'll probably turn into a Steve Jobs or something!


RE: Good
By The0ne on 6/21/2011 12:02:33 AM , Rating: 2
You know what, I couldn't stop laughing so I'll end it here. You're not ever going to convince someone like me to NOT tinker with things I paid for and rightly own. It doesn't matter if Sony doesn't know about it, knows about it and bans the practice, I will tinker with my gadgets. Hey, I'm a fcking engineer, sue me for wanting to break or enhance my own stuff. What I do shouldn't be none of your damn concern or right to ban, whether you're aware of it or not.

I repeat the last term because there are lots of stuff people do with their own gadgets that were not part of the companys "features."


RE: Good
By Reclaimer77 on 6/21/2011 1:31:33 PM , Rating: 1
I'm not a "consumer". I don't own a PS3, I'm a PC nut. Consoles can't do anything for me that I can't already do sitting here. And I love to tinker too, that's why I build my own machines instead of calling Dell or whoever.

You can do what you want to the PS3, put Linux on it, I don't care. Again, Sony only made this decision because some asshole ruined it for everyone and used the OtherOS feature to jailbreak the PS3. Which is clearly illegal.

A federal judge already slapped down the lawsuit for killing Linux in the PS3. Just in case you didn't know. Since you simply refuse to accept the legal side of this debate. It's called the Computer Fraud and Abuse act, maybe look it up.

Also people KNOWINGLY accepted a firmware update that removed OtherOS. How is that Sony's fault again?


RE: Good
By TSS on 6/20/2011 7:39:36 AM , Rating: 3
The trick isn't voting with your money, it's voting with other people's money. I didn't spend a dime on Modern Warfare 2, because it has no dedicated servers. It still became the best selling game ever. If i where activision i definitly wouldn't include dedicated servers anymore. What did my vote do? Nothing.

Voting only works if you share the oppinion of the majority. If the majority thinks sony's network is secure they will buy sony regardless of what you do. If somebody keeps hacking sony and publicly announcing they have, the majority won't think it's safe anymore and stop spending money.

Maybe that's not fair but it's more fair then leaving people in ignorance so they buy more of your crap.

I'd rather the hackers publish everything they've stolen then quietly selling the information.


RE: Good
By The0ne on 6/20/2011 4:39:40 PM , Rating: 2
He probably hasn't thought deeper about his answer. Kids nowadays use these same statement whenever they feel cornered without any other reasons why they should not support a company. By all means do it but realize that you should also voice your opinion so that some poor hapless kid down the block from you doesn't get the same crap or worse he/she unknowingly supports the company by continuing to buy their crappy products.

So yea, while you are doing your own thing with your wallet realize that you can also do yourself a favor by making it known and getting supporters. Otherwise, no one cares what you do because no one knows. Kinda like you coming here to read news and making an opinion on them. If you didn't read any sht you would've bought a PS3 or something.


RE: Good
By KOOLTIME on 6/23/2011 2:21:50 PM , Rating: 2

Database info releasing to public on hacked business goes well beyond just some hacker trying to harm said company A B or C.

Now every dirt bag in the world has personal info of innocent people that have never harmed anyone.

Hack a company you dont like get that point, but releasing customer info databases to public for other criminals to access, goes outside of the company, now you just involved everyone else's names in the problem, that are innocent.

Millions of customers Have to pay allot in credit / legal recovery time and costs due to these types of people. The cost in loss is not just Sony alone anymore, when these jerks give out company database customer info to public and think they are being justified in some absurd fashion because they hate a company for some reason or another.


RE: Good
By Sahrin on 6/18/2011 11:15:06 PM , Rating: 4
Agree. The notion that a person can go to jail for publishing a software/hardware specification is absolutely ridiculous. He's not leaking customer information that doesn't belong to him, or endagering anyone's life, or even stealing money with his 'hacking' efforts. Literally, all this guy has ever done is create his *own* softare. It's not like he's running a Bittorrent site or some shit.

Fuck you, Sony. I will never buy a Sony product until they use the same legal muscle they used to create this mess to fix it.

Also, Fuck anonymous and Lulzsec. Two assholes don't make a right.


RE: Good
By snakeInTheGrass on 6/19/2011 11:02:26 AM , Rating: 3
The whole 'legal' system is screwed anyways. This guy goes to jail for telling people how to re-enable an OS install that was available when he purchased his system, and when he can't pay the court costs they're going to throw him in jail. Um, last time I checked, won't that cost the public even more money? So the solution to having driven him to bankruptcy is to have the public fund a prison to incarcerate him? WTF?

But then again, I was just reading about the re-privatization of prisons and jails in the U.S. That's really scary stuff - for-profit slave labor, only 'better' than what China is doing in the sense that it's here in the U.S. and therefore completely above reproach because it's 'capitalism'. As soon as you make incarceration a for-profit business you're just asking for trouble, as was clearly seen in the past already.


RE: Good
By The0ne on 6/20/2011 4:33:25 PM , Rating: 2
Don't bring up prison reforms, nothing is final and there's a lot of money to be had in this area, not to mention the precious lives that could be endangered if some ahole politician or lobbyist group has it their way.

Stick with this Sony crap, it's less evil.


RE: Good
By Breathless on 6/19/2011 10:41:58 PM , Rating: 2
It would have sounded cooler if the last thing you said was:

"The buttholes don't make a flower" :)


RE: Good
By icanhascpu on 6/18/2011 11:41:42 PM , Rating: 5
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Jail time for enabling linux on a PS3? Really? That's what it boils down to

Agreed. People can argue all the points in the world but this is what it is, simple and clean, incorruptibly.

Anyone remember the Boting with World of Warcraft thing? You can get fined for running a bot like that in any of their games now. Seriously who the fuck is to tell me what I can or cant run on my computer that simply changeshow a VIDEO GAME works? BAN people, good! Make it illegal? Fuck that. But I wont tell you how I REALLY feel. ;)

Fuck them for thinking EULA agreements are the LAW, fuck these people, fuck these high-horse corporations, fuck these judges and fuck all the conflict of interest glad-hands etching away at even the smallest of our freedoms; because the bigger ones are next.

YOU should be mad too. Apathy is their chief weapon! Apathy and fear...fear and apathy.... Their two weapons are fear and apathy...and ruthless efficiency.... Their * three * weapons are fear, apathy, and ruthless efficiency...and an almost fanatical devotion to corrupt judges.... Their * four *...no... * Amongst * their weapons.... Amongst their weaponry...are such elements as fear, apathy....

I'll come in again.

(ps, fuck DT for still giving auto -1 for naughty words, i rather get -1 from a real person that hates my stupid posts guts)


RE: Good
By bupkus on 6/19/2011 10:44:34 PM , Rating: 2
Not only will I never buy Sony again but the one Sony product I do own is going back to COSTCO. My wife says we can because of the guarantee. Good. Maybe I'll even boycott movies made by Sony Pictures Entertainment. Most movies suck anyway.

I can't express how much I disapprove of corporations and their abusive influence through scum sucking politicians. Nuff said.

Hang in there, dude. I think I'll empty my PayPal account with a donation.


RE: Good
By Gondor on 6/20/2011 4:49:14 AM , Rating: 2
Yeah, I got downrated for that too. Wouldn't want to post how I REALLY feel about corporate bullying :)


RE: Good
By Miggleness on 6/19/2011 12:32:23 AM , Rating: 3
You're right. I would compare that to the how come communist communities arrest/harrass people who speak against their government.


RE: Good
By jamesjwb on 6/19/2011 6:58:17 AM , Rating: 2
You mean dictatorial, not communist. Just because a nation labels itself as communist doesn't mean they are. Almost all of them are dictatorships, and this is where this behaviour stems from, not communism.


RE: Good
By drewsup on 6/19/2011 9:16:01 AM , Rating: 1
Not all dictators are communists, but ALL communist countries end up as Dictatorial in the end, show me any that haven't. And I don't give a crap about socialist countries, they are not communist.
In the end, any human given total control of a people, will become corrupt, or be overthrown by people who ARE corrupt, because the straight leader will be weak. It's human nature unfortunately.


RE: Good
By name99 on 6/19/2011 2:55:15 PM , Rating: 2
Kerala in India?


RE: Good
By grvpuri on 6/19/11, Rating: 0
RE: Good
By rpsgc on 6/19/2011 6:32:39 AM , Rating: 5
And I'm pretty sure the EULA is NOT law.


RE: Good
By Topweasel on 6/19/2011 8:19:54 AM , Rating: 3
Also pretty sure that i am buying hardware with the PlayStation 3 not a license. That right there should stop most of this here in the US. We already have the courts saying that jail breaking/rooting is legal, this should follow closely.


RE: Good
By bug77 on 6/19/11, Rating: 0
RE: Good
By EricMartello on 6/19/2011 4:29:08 PM , Rating: 4
Actually the EULA thing has already been tried in court and failed - it is NOT ENFORCEABLE. You cannot package a contract into a product without first showing the contract to the other party and having them agree to it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shrink_wrap_contract

Yeah the whole idea of EULA is "Let me take your money...and after you've paid in full AND opened the product you're bound to this contract that I hid in the box."

So don't sit there and talk about contract law like you got a clue because you don't.


RE: Good
By Breathless on 6/19/2011 10:47:43 PM , Rating: 1
Bug, you just got owned


RE: Good
By gorehound on 6/19/11, Rating: 0
RE: Good
By KFZ on 6/19/2011 11:56:21 AM , Rating: 3
Don't like how a company treats you? You have the right to never buy from them ever again. What's disgusting are people like you and those that rated you up that think anarchist war over a fucking game console is a holy war to preserve some false sense of freedom from tyranny. Get off your high horses, you all need to get real.


RE: Good
By EricMartello on 6/19/2011 4:36:18 PM , Rating: 2
Nah bro, you're obviously missing the point. It's not about fighting a war about the game console. It's about standing up for your principles and rights against governmental corruption and greed.

What is boycotting going to do for the people that already paid for their PS3, which was originally sold as supporting "otherOS". Nothing. That is why Sony is getting pwned by hackers...although in the long run the hacking may not shut Sony down but it does send a clear message.

You say they need to get real but you're the one living in delusion. You go ahead and stay inside your bubble while more of your personal freedoms are eroded and political corruption controlled by corporate greed. It's not just the PS3, it's the government supporting laws and actions that ARE NOT in the best interests of its people. That is the fundamental issue here.


RE: Good
By BZDTemp on 6/19/2011 12:38:07 PM , Rating: 1
It's easy to over simplify things but fact is the fool did much more than enable Linux on his PS3. What he and the other idiots did was open up the platform to all sorts of abuse and make damn sure to tell the whole world about it.

Thanks to those idiots we now have to live with possible on-line cheating and since piracy tends to hurt niche products more than the big titles we are also likely to see fever small original titles on the platform.

Had they just made the PS3 run Linux then fine but they did so much more and this idiot is even worse. Free speech should be used for something important not lame self promoting which hurts us all. The whole "Sony must kill me..." is just so lame.


RE: Good
By infidel01 on 6/19/2011 2:55:49 PM , Rating: 3
"Free speech should be used for something important not lame self promoting which hurts us all."

So its not free speech unless its your speech? or atleast something YOU like. Good to know. I agree with some of what you said, what they did has negitive effects, however sony set up the rules of this situation. Perhaps they could both take responsibility for the actions. Sony shouldn't sell us a spoon and be able to say we can't use it to cut things.


RE: Good
By BZDTemp on 6/20/2011 1:33:42 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
So its not free speech unless its your speech? or atleast something YOU like. Good to know.


That is not what I said. My point is simply the fight for free speech is to about so much more than some fool wanting to be famous.

Of course anyone is entitled to speak their mind however if there is no such thing as privacy and trade secrets then we will have a big mess.

quote:
I agree with some of what you said, what they did has negitive effects, however sony set up the rules of this situation. Perhaps they could both take responsibility for the actions. Sony shouldn't sell us a spoon and be able to say we can't use it to cut things.
In principle I agree only the down side to making the PS3 a totally open platform are rather obvious but ignored by the hacker fans.

1. The Linux thing. Yes it was a feature that is no longer there. However hardly anyone used it and I'm willing to bet most of those crying out about the feature being removed certainly did not. Also I haven't heard anyone complaining the option was not available on the Xbox 360 (or the XBOX for that matter).

2. Consoles are subsidized machines. No wonder the console makers are not happy to see them used for anything but what they allow. We all know this when we buy the things so for the thing to be locked down can be no surprise. Don't like it then don't buy.

3. Going after Sony is gunning for the wrong target. Yes, they took something away we had (but didn't use) and yes, they went after some fools that wanted their 15 minutes of fame. But Sony did not make the rules the the politicians we all elected did.

4. Microsoft is much worse than Sony. We bitch about what Sony took away when in reality Microsoft gave us much less in the first place. The PS3, just as the PS2 before that, is a much more open platform than the XBOX 360 and the XBOX. Sony supports open standards like blue-tooth, DLNA, standard hard drives, PC accessories like my G25 wheel ... with Microsoft every thing I needed for the thing cost an extra tax to Microsoft. Which ones of the machines comes with a web browser? And which of the machines require you pay a monthly subscription?

Sony may not be all we would like them to be but they are much less evil than others so why go after the semi-good guys when Evil Inc. is present.


RE: Good
By wallijonn on 6/20/2011 5:24:59 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Sony did not make the rules - the politicians we all elected did.


Probably not. As a media conglomerate they probably have lobbyists that bribed their vote. Technically you are correct - the politicians we elected voted laws that favoured the media conglomerates. But they didn't do it because We The People asked them to. Not to worry, lobbying has been going on since Samuel Adam's day - when he railed against them.


RE: Good
By MastermindX on 6/19/2011 2:30:03 PM , Rating: 2
For some reasons, I don't think the jail time was because he allowed people to install linux on their PS3. I think it has more to do with the fact he published reverse engineered trade secrets from Sony.


RE: Good
By Reclaimer77 on 6/20/2011 3:09:53 PM , Rating: 2
I think you people are idiots. It's a video game system, hello? It's just not worth going to jail over or being fined. I think us adults came to grips with the fact that you can't always use something you buy the way you want to. Sony isn't "harassing" anyone, despite Mick's sensationalized anti-Sony campaign. Where are the articles about Apple "harassing" iPhone jailbreakers? Come on.

If running Linux means THAT much to these morons, they can use a PC. Nobody NEEDS Linux on a PS3. It's only use would be to break media protection and everyone knows it, let's get real here.

Eric, you speaking on here about "rights" is almost comical. You're a racist bigot who's made constant posts about how certain people should just "die" if they are a certain color or ethnicity. You shouldn't even be allowed to post here.


RE: Good
By KOOLTIME on 6/23/2011 1:30:17 PM , Rating: 2
You are incorrect, he simply dint JB the PS3 with linux, he also released company personal property to the public, and personal info of customers.

You dont own a business obviously so dont understand the damage or costs associated when a person does this to a company.

How much much it costs when suddenly alot of customers call on the phone for problems to their accounts or personal info getting public released without their consent to a company.

This guy dint hack his PS3 n sit at home for fun for himself, if he did that nothing would have happens and this would not be news. He braking into customer info, and released company private designs of their systems. Proprietary designs.

Go build something and sell it, then give the designs free to the world, see how much sales you do once that happens, you will get low to no sales, as people will use the design themselves for free vs buying it from you know that they have this free info. Everyone is a cheapskate in life and wants free value for themselves if this was not true, the word THIEF would never exsist. Which is why companies dont give out their designs to competition, so they can make sales to even pay their workers and stay in business in the 1st place.


Who at Sony is going to jail
By BugblatterIII on 6/18/2011 8:54:25 PM , Rating: 5
Sony installed a rootkit on people's computers. Who went to jail for that?

Sony has clearly been criminally negligent with my details (including my credit card details) and those of tens of millions of others. A site gets hacked, but they leave their other sites up even though they have the same easily avoided schoolboy vulnerability. They weren't properly firewalled and their servers were way behind on patches. Who went to jail for that?

Sony sold the PS3 as a device that could run Linux, people bought it on that basis and then Sony did everything it could to prevent them running Linux. Fraud. Who went to jail for that?

This guy tries to combat Sony's fraud and he gets bankrupted and may go to jail.

The corporations are taking over. Democracy has no meaning when whichever party gets in is owned by big business.




RE: Who at Sony is going to jail
By Philippine Mango on 6/18/2011 11:02:44 PM , Rating: 4
The corporations aren't taking over.. The problem is, the government is a little "too willing" to help those who help it. If the government was small and stayed out of people's business, things like this would never happen, no matter how much money the companies had. Government is the reason we have what are so called "powerful" corporations..


RE: Who at Sony is going to jail
By tecknurd on 6/19/2011 3:08:40 AM , Rating: 3
Wow, you need to get out because it seems you do not know how the society works. In order for corporations can get powerful is through customers which are the people. Governments have nothing to do with corporations getting powerful. If you do not want a corporation getting powerful is either do not buy their products or sue the company when a product of theirs harms you. Though mailing a letter to a company can also help bring the company back to ethical land.

The government will only step in when the said company crosses the line too far.

Did Sony did something wrong? Yes. Did customers do anything about it? Nope. Who is the blame? The customers. Do you really think the government will step in when it is the customer to blame.

I have not bought Sony products, so I can not be the one to sue Sony. People that have bought Sony products can sue, but they hacked to bring Sony down instead which is a criminal act. The government frowns on any attack like hacking, so why would the government help the customers. I feel bad for the other customers that did nothing bad, but got stuck in the middle of this "tantrum war."


RE: Who at Sony is going to jail
By jamesjwb on 6/19/2011 7:02:14 AM , Rating: 4
I'm sorry but this relies on corporate behaviour being well publicized. If the public knew exactly what went on in most corporations, and not the marketed smily face BS, they wouldn't buy from them. Fact is it's hidden and made very hard to find. If we had a mass media worth a damn we'd be well versed on what scum bags most corporations are and many would cease to exist.


By snakeInTheGrass on 6/19/2011 11:09:45 AM , Rating: 3
Frankly it's the job of government to protect their own citizens, unless you're thinking that Sony customers should form a lynch-mob and take out the execs. The corporations have been bending the laws in their favor for years (hundreds of years - telegraphs, railroads, etc. come to mind, and I'm sure there were businesses back in Rome buying off their senators too...), and unless 'the customers' can buy off the lawmakers more effectively, the companies win.

Activity after activity has been criminalized - not companies doing bad things, oh no, but anything that people do that might cross what companies want to see happen to maximize their profits, people's rights be damned. This guy gets shafted and thrown in prison for being unable to pay fines / court costs while companies losing customer accounts / installing rootkits on people's machines gets at most a bit of political rhetoric and a blind eye turned to it.


RE: Who at Sony is going to jail
By HoosierEngineer5 on 6/19/2011 11:51:07 AM , Rating: 2
I have boycotted Sony for 25+ years. Any day now, I expect them to be quaking in their boots.


RE: Who at Sony is going to jail
By Jalek on 6/19/2011 4:28:08 PM , Rating: 2
Corporations realized back in the 1980's that they can get caught doing anything, and in six weeks consumers will have forgotten.

Can people even stay focused on a boycott for even a week under the 24/7 corporate news barrage today?


RE: Who at Sony is going to jail
By ekv on 6/19/2011 7:45:57 PM , Rating: 2
describes Obama's health-care meetings perfectly


RE: Who at Sony is going to jail
By bupkus on 6/19/2011 11:06:34 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
describes Obama's health-care meetings perfectly
Start your own thread somewhere else. This is about Sony and their customers' rights.


By superstition on 6/19/2011 1:13:49 PM , Rating: 2
False dichotomy.

Corporations and government are two sides of the same coin.


By superstition on 6/19/2011 1:28:15 PM , Rating: 3
"If the government was small and stayed out of people's business"

I know the small government fallacy is popular, but I suggest looking at it carefully. What it generally is is a bit of cognitive dissonance inducing rhetorical trickery designed to hand the keys of the economy to plutocrats.

Government needs to be able to meet the needs of its citizens. How large it is depends upon that. A government that is too "small" (inefficiently inadequate) will fail just as much as a government that's too "large" (inefficiently bloated).

This large vs. small stuff is a distraction. What really matters are the details. Example: "Is the government, via the judiciary, able to keep up with the fast pace of technological development by moving cases through at an adequate pace, with adequate results?"The answer to that seems to be no. Tech cases often drag on for too long and members of the judiciary often struggle to deal with highly technical issues. Well, the judiciary tends to be the least corrupt branch of our government, so if it's failing, good luck with the rest of it. Congress is primarily filled with plutocratic carnival barkers, and the White House is invariably occupied by people with dictatorial (and plutocratic, of course) aspirations.

The American health care system is extremely mediocre, largely because government is not involved enough. A large majority of citizens wanted a public option, but our government, being in bed with corporations, decided that what the public wanted didn't matter. America is falling behind the rest of the world in many areas, and it's not because our government is "too large". It's because it's not doing enough to keep us competitive. Instead, corporations/banks/Wall Street are bleeding us dry and have been for many years. An ignorant public that shops at Wal-Mart, thus enriching the Chinese -- is only partially to blame. Our government is supposed to be made up of people who are educated and distinguished enough to represent the common folk well, better than they represent themselves. They're supposed to safeguard the people against corporate outsourcing and other corruptions.

Instead, though, they do the opposite because they're inextricably tied to the corporations/Wall Street/banks. And their loyalties, far from lying with the public, lie elsewhere -- and not only in America. Multinational/globalized business is making nations increasingly little more than mirages used to fool the public, while the money continues to flow away from the US or gets trapped with super wealth hoarders.


RE: Who at Sony is going to jail
By The Insolent One on 6/19/2011 5:14:06 AM , Rating: 5
This needs to be rated a 7.


RE: Who at Sony is going to jail
By superstition on 6/19/2011 1:16:49 PM , Rating: 2
agreed


By BugblatterIII on 6/20/2011 3:56:56 PM , Rating: 2
I agree too ;o)


RE: Who at Sony is going to jail
By Uncle on 6/19/2011 1:55:15 PM , Rating: 2
Continue to let other people know about sony. When I'm in an electronics store or online I remind people what an arrogant company sony is and why I have been boycotting them for years.
Civil Disobedience works and word of mouth, it just takes time for sonys balance sheet to show that. This is another arrogant company who thinks its to "Big to Fail". Sony, it just takes a little longer, but with the net a little bit faster. May you one day find your roots from when you first started your humble beginnings ( I doubt it though).The idiots at the top of the executive ladder don't know the meaning of humble, to much rot in their craniums.


RE: Who at Sony is going to jail
By Reclaimer77 on 6/20/2011 3:12:48 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Sony sold the PS3 as a device that could run Linux, people bought it on that basis


Yeah ummm, like 10 people maybe? Please.


RE: Who at Sony is going to jail
By BugblatterIII on 6/20/2011 3:56:07 PM , Rating: 2
Actually everyone who bought it bought it on that basis. Yes, only a small number of people actually bought it for that purpose, but they existed and they got shafted.

And what happened to those who tried to get the PS3 back to the point where it could do what they bought it for? They got victimised by Sony and prosecuted.

Sony could just have prevented new PS3's from running Linux and we couldn't really complain too much. However to do it for those already purchased should be illegal.


RE: Who at Sony is going to jail
By Reclaimer77 on 6/20/2011 4:19:46 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
They got victimised by Sony and prosecuted.


No sorry, Sony is not the executive, judicial, and law enforcement branch of the world. Obviously laws were broken, and they are being upheld. NOT BY SONY, but by law enforcement. You can only blame Sony for so much here. They are fully within their right, obviously, to prosecute those who insist on hacking PS3's.

quote:
However to do it for those already purchased should be illegal.


I agree, but the simple fact is it's NOT illegal. Again, you can only blame Sony for so much here.

My girlfriend had an old iPod. I used to be able to sync music to it using Windows Media Player. Then one day Apple decided they wanted you to use iTunes and only iTunes, so they made a firmware/driver update to kill the Windows Media player support.

So I guess Apple was victimizing me and harassing me or something? Because I couldn't use their device the way I wanted to? You know what, I got pissed but got over it, the world kept turning. It's not THAT big of a deal.


RE: Who at Sony is going to jail
By BugblatterIII on 6/20/2011 5:41:13 PM , Rating: 2
You're missing things.

I didn't say that Sony prosecuted them (try reading the words in order; it helps), but they certainly victimised them.

Is what those guys did illegal? Really? Which country, which law? Were those laws drafted for this specific circumstance? You've heard that jailbreaking iPhones is legal? Why do I bother?

Governments don't understand technology which is why they phrase legislation in such vague and ambiguous terms that it can be used to do pretty much anything.

The reason for the DMCA etc. is that governments are in the business of protecting big business, whereas it's actually us that need protecting.

Your analogy is ridiculous. I didn't say that Sony victimised those who were using Linux on the PS3. I said they victimised those who tried to get Linux to work on the PS3 again.

By the way if someone bought an iPod on the understanding they could sync it as they wished, and they then got forced to use iTunes whether they wanted to or not, then it is a big deal. Not for you if you don't care, but plenty of people would care.

Is there anything else you'd like to misquote?


RE: Who at Sony is going to jail
By Reclaimer77 on 6/20/2011 6:03:31 PM , Rating: 2
You can't have people brought to trial or thrown in prison just because you said so. Clearly there has to be SOME legal grounds for arresting someone or suing them. So yes, you ARE making it seem like Sony is prosecuting people. Because you fail to give any legitimacy to their side of the situation and the legalities it entails.

quote:
I said they victimised those who tried to get Linux to work on the PS3 again.


And you would be, again, wrong. They are only "victimizing" the ones stupid enough to publicly make a big scene by showing others how to jailbreak the PS3. Do you see hundreds of PS3 users being rounded up and jailed? No.

In fact, there ARE no victims here. Let's just stop with the ridiculous over emoting on this, please.


RE: Who at Sony is going to jail
By BugblatterIII on 6/20/2011 6:14:36 PM , Rating: 2
I've already refuted what you've said; I see little point in repeating myself.

If it smells like a troll and growls like a troll then one must at least entertain the notion that it may indeed be a troll.


RE: Who at Sony is going to jail
By Reclaimer77 on 6/20/2011 6:36:19 PM , Rating: 2
A different opinion isn't a "refute". And you can't just call someone a troll because you don't like their side of the discussion. That's immature and petty.


By BugblatterIII on 6/20/2011 7:41:23 PM , Rating: 2
It wasn't so much your opinion that I was refuting, it was your deliberate misrepresentation of what I'd said, which you continued to do.

You're welcome to your opinion but you're not welcome to misrepresent me. Continuing to do so, in my opinion (which I'm also welcome to) makes you a troll.


They didn't take Linux away from anyone
By Ricky Williams on 6/19/11, Rating: 0
By SiliconJon on 6/19/2011 9:26:50 AM , Rating: 2
Right, I don't have any claim to use the PSN even if I PAY for games that use the PSN (as agreed per my purchase agreement) or even require the PSN if I insist on using a feature that was also a part of my purchase agreement. Shilly wabbit, double plus good.


By superstition on 6/19/2011 1:15:12 PM , Rating: 3
"They didn't steal it from anyone, they simply stopped supporting it"

That's a lie.

Blocking it with a firmware update is hardly the same thing as "not supporting it".


By Uncle on 6/19/2011 2:14:09 PM , Rating: 3
Tell that to the US Army and other businesses that used it as a cheap super computer. Any bets sony was pressured into disabling liux by the companies that sold servers, such as HP etc. I'd like Anon to get some of the emails that went back and forth between Sony and HP. That would be a story in itself.


Sony is dead to me
By OAKside24 on 6/18/2011 10:22:17 PM , Rating: 5
Boycott? Well, I for one just sold my PS3, after almost two decades of PlayStations as my sole consoles. Maybe I just grew tired of gaming ($60 games and the death of single-player didn't help), and found better alternatives for entertainment (films, internet, etc)...

But actually: Between Sony's ridiculous/continuous data breaches, extreme focus/leadership on anti-consumer technologies (i.e. proprietary, DRM, Blu-ray, Cinavia, etc), severely restrictive PS3 media center capabilities (lacking MKV support, subtitle support, modern format support, media lookup, etc), not to mention depressing short-term outlook (with priorities on 3D, PS3-branded TVs, cost-cutting, etc) ... it's finally clear to me how loathsome and draconian a company Sony is, one that doesn't respect or listen to its customers in the slightest, or even develop products I want to own anymore.




RE: Sony is dead to me
By BZDTemp on 6/19/11, Rating: 0
RE: Sony is dead to me
By Breathless on 6/19/2011 11:08:15 PM , Rating: 2
He does have a point about them being difficult to truly boycott... I see "Sony" on a loooot of movies that I watch for instance.


To both sides...
By quiksilvr on 6/18/2011 7:49:00 PM , Rating: 4
Sony: You need to get off this high horse Japanese pride nonsense thinking that your product won't get hacked. This isn't Japan. Wake up like Nintendo did. Their DS devices are hacked to hell, but they are still raking in the dough. Turn a blind eye and move on. Making scapegoats like this puts you in a very negative light and you need to cut this crap out. Just ban them from online if you notice a pirated game and leave it at that.

People: If you want Sony to legitimately open up their console for cool things like other applications and increase functionality, go through other channels. Open blogs with suggestions such as integrating Android into the system in some form. If you clearly and concisely give ideas to them or talk to game developers to talk to Sony and go through LEGAL channels, you can also get results. Hacking is a great way to show the security flaws in the system, but it isn't the best way to get what we want in the end: an open platform to give us more functionality.




Rot in Jail
By Ricky Williams on 6/19/11, Rating: 0
RE: Rot in Jail
By Gib Ortherb on 6/19/2011 4:12:20 AM , Rating: 2
I think you need to go back to school to get some reading comprehension because this article doesn't have anything directly to do with the intrusions Sony had. There was maybe half a sentence where the author had noted that they did get hacked, but that's it.

This guy isn't printing your credit cards numbers, he isn't out killing people, he isn't bombing anything. Get your head out of your ass, all this guy did was circumvent the securities on the PS3 to install Linux back onto it.

I also find it hilarious how you claim that hackers contribute nothing to society. Maybe you need to grow up and do some research because most hackers aren't killing your family. Hacking is a hobby, grow up and learn the distinction between someone who enjoys technology and someone who is a criminal.


RE: Rot in Jail
By gorehound on 6/19/2011 9:03:00 AM , Rating: 2
this guy has nothing to do with the "hacking " of sony servers,etc
read the article again slowly so you understand it


Not buying....
By LumbergTech on 6/19/2011 4:44:48 PM , Rating: 1
I agree that the best way to directly get back is sony is to simply not buy their products, but you have to know that whoever you buy from alternatively may be doing the same exact bullshit...you can't just blindly do things like boycott..you have to to do your research and think..it is not so simple to simple not buy from one place.




RE: Not buying....
By LumbergTech on 6/19/2011 4:46:45 PM , Rating: 2
typo city..forgive me!


fdgfdsg
By p05esto on 6/18/2011 10:22:41 PM , Rating: 2
Sony nailed their own coffin shut, what morons. They alienated practically the entire hard core gaming community (aka, also computer gods/modders/hackers/etc). They screw with their own user base who are the premiere internet users on the planet and then wonder why they got hacked 19 times? Sony, if you are reading this you are sooooo stupid. Most of us will NEVER buy one of your products again, ever. Samsung is the leader right now, obviously Microsoft as well when it comes to gaming. Sony = lost the war.




Proposal
By DougF on 6/19/2011 12:48:39 AM , Rating: 2
SONY: Stop jailbreaking the PS3.

Mr. Egorenkov:
quote:
If you want me to stop then you should just kill me because I cannot live without programming, HV and Linux kernel hacking You know who am I and where I live, so come and get me !!!


SONY: Your proposal is acceptable.

(Apologies to MIB)




A few quid, anyway
By SiliconJon on 6/19/2011 9:23:36 AM , Rating: 2
Wish I could do more, but things are tough all over 'round these parts. I'll throw a few quid his way - hate to see a chap go to jail under a fascist, inhuman hammer. If you wish to support him don’t talk yourself out of it merely because you think it won’t be enough because it will help as many others do the same.

Now, how to handle not giving Sony any more of my money, getting others to do the same, and also fighting the issue on the other front - addressing Sony's illegal behavior and getting them to stand trial for it. It won't be easy in the Corporate Fascist state known as Amerika.




Bring them down
By Motoman on 6/19/2011 10:54:11 AM , Rating: 2
...when all this started, I posted a note saying something to the effect of "it would be awesome if this bankrupted Sony." And it got rated down.

Why would it be awesome if Sony went bankrupt? Let us count the ways...

1. They're obviously wildly abusive against individuals they think have slighted them.
2. They're utterly incompetent and/or uninterested in protecting their user's crucial personal info.
3. They're the godfather of DRM, having foisted the worst DRM attacks on their consumer base the world has ever seen.
4. They manipulate governments worldwide to do their bidding (which naturally says a lot about those governments too).

...on and on to whatever finer points you want to get to.

If everyone in the world simply stopped buying Sony products (which will never actually happen, because the unwashed masses will never be moved to pay attention to what's happening in the world and take any action because of it), what would happen? Would Sony just shut it's doors and hundreds of thousands of people be without a job?

No...Sony would liquidate and sell itself off piecemeal, to other corporations would would probably keep all, or close to all, of those people employed under another name. Sony products wouldn't go away either - their designs and patents would be sold as well, and somebody else would be producing PS3s and whatnot.

What else would happen? MOST IMPORTANTLY, other companies would watch from the sidelines what had happened, and with any luck straighten the f%ck up. Maybe even some governments too. IF consumers could actually band together and take action against abusive corporations, you just might scare the sh!t out of the other corporations and get them to abuse you less. You'd have served notice on the corporate world...that you're mad as hell and you're not going to take it anymore.

...that, friends and enemas, is why it would be "awesome" if Sony went bankrupt over this. As noted though that'll never happen due to the unthinking/uncaring consumerism of probably about 90% of the consumer base.

...but it's a nice thing to think about.




Take Out...
By mmatis on 6/19/2011 9:26:27 PM , Rating: 2
the pigs and this will stop rather quickly...




donated
By Depolarized on 6/20/2011 9:29:57 AM , Rating: 2
Donation made.
Good luck, Mr. Egorenkov !




Oh My God!
By poi2 on 6/19/2011 12:19:31 AM , Rating: 1
Oh My God!

So if I buy music online with my Money,
SONY install rootkit-bullshit into my pc ???!!!
and if I sue SONY for that, it is Me who goto Jail for sure!!!

And if I buy PS3 with my Money and mess with it,
I goto Jail ???!!!

= LOL =

Way to go... Howard Stringer!




its not only you
By Calabros on 6/19/2011 2:33:52 AM , Rating: 1
I hhate you Cyber Jihadists.. and Im ready to go to prison for this my hatred




SONY is a joke
By ln01 on 6/19/2011 11:08:41 AM , Rating: 1
I have not bought a Sony product in the past 5 years because I hate the company and because their products are usually overpriced and prone to hacking due to their engineers' laziness.

Just like this whole PSN hacking fiasco, Sony had the time to take their system offline and fix everything. But did they? No.

This company does not care about its consumers or even their reputation apparently.




Good on Sony
By PrinceGaz on 6/18/2011 10:04:12 PM , Rating: 1
Good on Sony for ensuring criminals get the treatment they deserve. You wouldn't want mass murderers and paedophiles walking the streets would you (and certainly not murdering and paedophiling (?) people whilst doing so), so you certainly don't want these equally dangerous people like that person who has cracked the PS3 protection walking the streets in case he does something equally nasty like erm, errr, ummm, jailbreaking your iPhone or something for instance, if you let him get hold of it and plug it into his laptop computer.

I'm sure it was in the terms and conditions of the original PS3 that installing an alternative O/S was an option Sony might remove at any time in the future, so really, as you aren't forced to upgrade the firmware if you aren't using it to play games (and if it is running Linux, you certainly aren't playing native PS3 games on it), don't upgrade the firmware and you can still run Linux. It's not like the PS3 is even good as compute hardware given the modern PC hardware available which of course is totally free to do with as you wish.

Actually, to be honest, I don't know why Sony even care about the PS3 hardware any more, and I agree that Nintendo's policy of "just make good games so people don't even care about cracking the console, or if they do crack it, it doesn't matter anyway because we're still raking in the cash" is the best one.

Why get the lawyers involved, when at the end of the day everyone loses out except of course the lawyers.




RE: Good on Sony
By JonahFalcon on 6/18/11, Rating: 0
RE: Good on Sony
By chick0n on 6/19/11, Rating: -1
It's OK to stick up for what you believe in...
By Beenthere on 6/18/11, Rating: -1
RE: It's OK to stick up for what you believe in...
By relztes on 6/19/2011 12:25:03 AM , Rating: 4
Yes, but since when is it a crime to hack my own computer? Now putting a rootkit on someone else's computer...


RE: It's OK to stick up for what you believe in...
By bug77 on 6/19/2011 6:52:37 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
Yes, but since when is it a crime to hack my own computer?


I think that's a real issue.
People always say "I should be able to back up my own music" or "I can mod my computer however I want". But in the case of music, it's not really yours. You just buy the right to listen a MP3, AAC or whatever file.
I don't have a PS3 (or any other Sony product), but it's possible for the EULA to state that the console is actually the property of Sony. And there's a a precedent for that: cable providers own a part of your TV through selective output control.
All things considered, the media should do a better job discerning between stuff you buy (e.g. food) and stuff you are only allowed to rent (e.g. music and motion pictures).


By bug77 on 6/19/2011 11:29:39 AM , Rating: 2
PS And I didn't mean that the above is ok. It's just the status quo. The sooner we realize that, the sooner we can start going the right way.


By adiposity on 6/19/2011 11:37:05 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
I don't have a PS3 (or any other Sony product), but it's possible for the EULA to state that the console is actually the property of Sony.


If you buy a product in a box and don't sign anything, they can put whatever EULA they want, anywhere, and it's still yours. The idea that if it asks you a question when you turn it on to confirm that Sony owns the PS3, makes the object you just paid for, theirs, is utter bullshit.

Granted, you have the option to return something if it comes with such a EULA, but this does not cancel the idea that the PS3 is clearly NOT Sony's. They do not repair it for free. They do not charge a rental fee. You pay full price and (except for warranty), are completely responsible for paying for any upgrades, repairs, etc.

Sony can state all they want that you don't own the device you just paid full retail price for, but they don't have the right to come take it out of your possession.

They do have the right to kick you off PSN--that's a service. They do have a right to sue you if they think you are revealing trade secrets--the law allows it. And they do have the right to rent you a PS3--but they do not do that, they sell the hardware (currently at a profit).


By bug77 on 6/19/2011 12:09:09 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Sony can state all they want that you don't own the device you just paid full retail price for, but they don't have the right to come take it out of your possession.


No, but if you're ok with them removing Linux support, maybe you're also ok with then removing your rights to access PSN and maybe play games?
The console means both hardware and software. As long as the EULA says you don't own the software, all you have is a box of stuff.


By Motoman on 6/19/2011 11:54:19 AM , Rating: 3
You don't "rent" music or movies when you buy a CD/DVD/BD.

The law always guaranteed the consumer the right to make a backup copy of such stuff - specifically because you bought the right to enjoy the content, not the media, and the media can fail/get lost/whatever.

But then the RIAA/MPAA et al bought another law that made it illegal to circumvent DRM.

Therefore, it is against the law to exercise the right given to you by the other law.

Proof positive of the irreparable corruption in our legal/justice/government system. And all the more reason why to call for the outlawing of lobbying. When corporations and/or special interest groups can purchase laws that make other laws illegal, the time has far since passed to make major corrections in the system.


By snakeInTheGrass on 6/19/2011 11:18:10 AM , Rating: 2
Since when? Well, since the big corporations got DMCA passed. If you have to circumvent a copy protection scheme to use your own hardware the way you want, you're automatically a criminal. Just keep moving the line, pretty soon we can all be criminals. Oh, you ripped a DVD you bought so you could stream it in your own home? That's a federal crime, you know!

It's such a crock. More and more meaningless laws on behalf of giant corporations - and those corporations of course buy themselves protection from being held accountable for their own significantly more disturbing actions. (Rootkits? How about private security forces killing civilians?) Geez, there's 1 person being held criminally liable in the mortgage meltdown. Really? But copy your own DVD and you're a crook? F***.


RE: It's OK to stick up for what you believe in...
By mforce on 6/19/2011 4:04:11 PM , Rating: 2
Couldn't have said it better myself, I completely agree with this.
Then again, most people these days are pretty ignorant , some even stupid and don't even realise this. The just keep on living their lives without even noticing what's going on.


By Beenthere on 6/19/2011 4:10:49 PM , Rating: 2
If you're dumb enough to pirate, hack or illegally distribute, then you're dumb enough to go to prison. They build prisons for people in denial who can't live within the laws of society. Denial does not change law so you had better adjust your POV or pay the price. Society is not going allow criminals to go unpunished.


By Jalek on 6/19/2011 4:31:17 PM , Rating: 2

This guy's going to the modern equivalent of debtor's prison.


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