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Facebook reportedly told some mothers to not repost images or face ban from the service

One person's obscene is another person's artwork, right? The age-old debate about breast feeding in public or showing pictures of moms breastfeeding has been sparked again after Facebook has begun removing images of mothers breast-feeding their children from the site.

Facebook spokesman Barry Schnitt said no action is taken on most breast-feeding photos because they follow the site terms of agreement according to Reuters. Schnitt said in a statement, "Photos containing a fully exposed breast (as defined by showing the nipple or areola) do violate those terms (on obscene, pornographic, or sexually explicit material), and may be removed."

Schnitt also points out that the majority of photos that Facebook acts on are brought to their attention by other users who have complained about the images. The ban of breast feeding images by Facebook has led some users to sign an online petition called "Hey Facebook, breastfeeding is not obscene!"

Protesters have also held a virtual nurse-in on Facebook and held a demonstration outside of Facebook headquarters in Palo Alto. The online petition has so far gathered over 80,000 names and over 10,000 comments that have reignited the debate about breast-feeding in public.

One mother who had an image removed from her page of her breast feeding her child told Reuters, "I find it offensive that (Facebook) can remove my photo but not the close up picture of a thonged backside I (have) seen on a friend's page or remove the "what kama sutra position are you?" quiz application."

Facebook has tried to illustrate the fact that it is not alone in banning images of breast-feeding women. According to Schnitt Facebook called many media groups in the U.S. during the protest and asked to place an ad related to breast feeding that showed the woman feeding with a fully exposed breast. Facebook says that none of the outlets it contacted would agree to let the ad run.



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Exhibitionism
By Reclaimer77 on 12/30/08, Rating: 0
RE: Exhibitionism
By Spivonious on 12/30/2008 12:10:55 PM , Rating: 1
Totally agree.


RE: Exhibitionism
By headbox on 12/31/2008 5:53:49 AM , Rating: 4
Wow, commentary by single childless males about breastfeeding. Why don't you go to babyforum.com and post about overclocking?


RE: Exhibitionism
By jlips6 on 12/31/2008 1:45:14 PM , Rating: 2
Well, the androids and robot moms might find it useful if they have to breast-feed and calculate large sums at the same time.

woo mechanical paternal approval


RE: Exhibitionism
By lukasbradley on 12/30/2008 12:18:57 PM , Rating: 3
Ancillary to your point: couldn't we argue that all aspects of Facebook are voyeuristic?


RE: Exhibitionism
By ThePooBurner on 12/30/2008 12:22:02 PM , Rating: 2
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Ironically enough, the protesting women in favor of breastfeeding pictures are the EXACT ones who would protest naked pictures of girls on the site


I agree. "this is beautiful and natural and the girls are just being slutty" im sure is what they say in their minds.


RE: Exhibitionism
By Reclaimer77 on 12/30/2008 1:55:56 PM , Rating: 4
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I agree. "this is beautiful and natural and the girls are just being slutty" im sure is what they say in their minds.


Bingo ! You wanna post breastfeeding pics, fine. I want to post topless pics of my ex girlfriend to show off to all my friends. Deal ?


RE: Exhibitionism
By Jedi2155 on 12/31/2008 1:18:32 AM , Rating: 4
I'm waiting.


RE: Exhibitionism
By foolsgambit11 on 12/30/2008 7:42:31 PM , Rating: 5
Yeah, why can't they get it through their heads that being slutty (i.e. trying to attract a sexual partner) is the most natural and beautiful human action. The passion for human contact, the desire to share yourself with all mankind.... Besides, what is more natural that being naked?

See, you can make a new-agey argument in favor of being slutty.


RE: Exhibitionism
By SavagePotato on 12/30/2008 12:24:25 PM , Rating: 5
I wanna see it, but only if they are hot breasts. Mandatory breastfeeding in public for hot mothers.


RE: Exhibitionism
By Brandon Hill (blog) on 12/30/2008 12:31:16 PM , Rating: 4
Can't say that I disagree. But I'm not thinking so much from a voyeuristic or "OMG A BOOBIE" perspective, I'm talking from an efficiency/"ease of use" perspective.

Wouldn't it be easier to pump at home and put some of your breast milk in a bottle and give it to junior while you're out and about in public?

That being said, who the hell posts pics of themselves breastfeeding on Facebook? I mean, damn! What next, posting pics of little Billy sitting on the potty making "poopy"?


RE: Exhibitionism
By SavagePotato on 12/30/2008 1:14:48 PM , Rating: 2
Under American law that would be kiddie porn, as a matter of fact breastfeeding pics probably are too, I am surprised they aren't all on the sex offender list now.


RE: Exhibitionism
By Reclaimer77 on 12/30/2008 2:06:39 PM , Rating: 3
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Wouldn't it be easier to pump at home and put some of your breast milk in a bottle and give it to junior while you're out and about in public?


Exactly ! Or god forbid the kid has to wait 5 whole minutes to eat and,realizing there are other people around you, go feed him in the bathroom or your car.

You brought up a great point with the breast pumps. A totally viable alternative.

Breast feeding in public is exhibitionism. Plain and simple.


RE: Exhibitionism
By mydogfarted on 12/30/2008 2:38:25 PM , Rating: 1
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go feed him in the bathroom


Tell ya what... why don't you try eating your lunch in a filthy public restroom.

Women don't breastfeed in public to be exhibitionists. They feed in public because there is no place better suited for them at the time.

Here is my question: why are the people who complained looking at someone else's pictures? Obviously these pictures belong to someone who is not part of your "network", or you'd know to expect these pictures.


RE: Exhibitionism
By Reclaimer77 on 12/30/2008 2:46:42 PM , Rating: 5
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Here is my question: why are the people who complained looking at someone else's pictures? Obviously these pictures belong to someone who is not part of your "network", or you'd know to expect these pictures.


Facebook lets you make private albums only available to friends or other specified people. The reason everyone could view them is because the women are being exhibitionists and making them public.

I rest my case.


RE: Exhibitionism
By mezman on 12/30/2008 3:23:47 PM , Rating: 4
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Women don't breastfeed in public to be exhibitionists. They feed in public because there is no place better suited for them at the time.


What an asinine argument. If I'm out at a park and have to pee, can I take a leak on the nearest tree because it's the best suited place for me to relieve myself at the time?


RE: Exhibitionism
By kkwst2 on 12/30/2008 3:38:23 PM , Rating: 5
I'd say your analogy is even more asinine. There are places for you to pee. There aren't usually designated places for women to breastfeed.

Furthermore, having people relieve themselves everywhere is a public health problem and would create quite a mess. Not so for public breastfeeding.

Nice try, but your analogy more made the argument than discredited it.


RE: Exhibitionism
By Reclaimer77 on 12/30/2008 3:44:01 PM , Rating: 2
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There aren't usually designated places for women to breastfeed.


Its called a bathroom, or a car, or your own freaking HOME. Pretty much anywhere that isn't in the middle of strangers.


RE: Exhibitionism
By Crysalis99 on 12/30/2008 10:51:52 PM , Rating: 3
Actually sir, in Japan, it is not uncommon for men to just take a leak any where they want. Hence why there are 'no-peeing' signs posted in some areas.

I'm sure I will be posted down because I am talking about some other place than America or the fact that, it may or may not be a corrected piece of legislation right now but I do know, if it still doesn't happen as much that it was an option for men before...


RE: Exhibitionism
By SavagePotato on 12/31/2008 9:44:52 AM , Rating: 3
In Japan they don't pee on the trees because they are prone to turning into giant tentacle beasts which then go on an unholy rampage looking for schoolgirls.


RE: Exhibitionism
By Black69ta on 12/30/2008 4:25:12 PM , Rating: 3
Exhibitionism? You have never had a breast fed baby have you? When a kid wants fed you have to stop everything and feed them. As far as pumps, my wife had 44G breasts and it took hours just to fill a couple of bottles and that was with the best pump we could find.
My Wife Breast fed our kid for over a year because we both believed and still believe that it made for a healthier baby. Americans have so many hang-ups from our bible-thumping forefathers. She received the evil stares and she wasn't even one to flash anything, she always had a blanket or something to cover up as much as possible. As far as posting,, maybe the are Exhibitionists but maybe they are just trying to get those women who are afraid to know that they are not alone. My wifes best friend had a baby a month before mine and didn't Breastfeed, while my child only got sick twice his first two years her son was ill almost monthly. I have noticed this in every infant who wasn't given the benefit of being breastfed


RE: Exhibitionism
By Reclaimer77 on 12/30/2008 4:49:54 PM , Rating: 5
44G's !!??

Your kid might be more healthy, but hes going to have stretch marks around his mouth when he grows up.


RE: Exhibitionism
By Lord 666 on 12/31/2008 9:49:13 AM , Rating: 2
Do yourself a favor and get a Victoria Secrets catalog for tips on bra fitting. All of your posts on this for this thread show a complete ignorence towards women and childen.

The 44 is the circumference from over the nipples around the back. The G (depending on who is fitting bra) is a measure from chest plate to fullest part of breast. For a women whose breasts are larger before pregnancy, these sizes are not uncommon. From an odd perspective, this size makes it easier to nurse because women can lie on a bed with kid next to them and nurse without having to hold child. But, understood about the difficulty with larger size breasts while pumping. My wife was close in cup size, but never went over 38. We bought the most expensive pump after our child spent a night in hospital 4 days after birth due to dehydration jaundice and it still didn't really flow too well while pumping. This affects 1 of 10 children and was linked to being delivered via c-section. Wife's hormones didn't kick in quick enough (LH and oxytocin) due to the surgical birth and weren't producing enough milk to keep kid hydrated properly.

Anyway, she nursed for seven months. For the baby due Q2 2009, we might nurse a bit longer. Our rule is if you can have a conversation with the kid, they are too old to be nursed. Overall, we never had an issue about feeding in "public." The thing is she always found a quiet spot so the kid could eat in peace. Would you like your breakfast while someone was shouting with a megaphone at you? Rarely do we see (execpt that 4 y/o who was standing while latched on!) In plain view public without a blanket.


RE: Exhibitionism
By hadifa on 12/30/2008 5:56:06 PM , Rating: 4
you are arguing breastfeeding and the topic is on breastfeeding in public .


RE: Exhibitionism
By archermoo on 12/30/2008 2:21:30 PM , Rating: 4
Actually no, it isn't necessarily easier to pump and bring a bottle. For one feeding from a bottle and from a breast are very different for a baby, and babies that are switched back and forth between the two can have problems feeding. For another you can't always know when the baby will be hungry. With my 5 week old we've gone out for 4 or 5 hours with our little girl not needing to be fed the entire time. We've also gone out for 90 minutes had had to feed her twice. Breast milk only lasts a few hours at room temperature, and most babies don't want to eat it if it is at a temperature that will allow it to keep longer. And you won't necessarily be at a place that you can easily and quickly heat it up.

It isn't a simple issue, which is why most places at least in the US have laws protecting a woman's right to breast feed in any public place they have a right to be in.

That being said, I think Facebook did the right thing. They have rules, the pics in question broke those rules, removing them was the right thing to do.


RE: Exhibitionism
By Reclaimer77 on 12/30/08, Rating: -1
RE: Exhibitionism
By FITCamaro on 12/30/2008 3:40:08 PM , Rating: 1
Amen. Any time a baby starts crying on a plane, I have the urge to throw it into the engine. I pray that when I become a parent, I will retain the common sense I have today and only fly if absolutely necessary.

Slip your kid a thimble of rum before the flight people. Won't hurt them and they'll sleep through the damn trip.


RE: Exhibitionism
By Schrag4 on 12/30/2008 4:03:00 PM , Rating: 1
FIT, I agree with you more often than not, but I sure hope you're joking on this one. I have 3 small kids and thankfully I've managed to avoid flying with any of them so far. However, if for some reason I have to take them on a plane sometime, and I'm sitting next to you, you'll just lump me in with those people that apparantly don't have any common sense.

In other words, how do you know the parents of those babies weren't flying out of 'absolute necessity?' Yes, it's annoying. It's annoying to the parents of the crying children too. I'm sure the idea is temping to you, but you can't just FedEx your baby so that it's there when you arrive!


RE: Exhibitionism
By Reclaimer77 on 12/30/08, Rating: 0
RE: Exhibitionism
By FITCamaro on 12/30/2008 5:12:15 PM , Rating: 4
I wasn't joking on the rum thing. Obviously I'm not gonna throw a baby in a jet engine. It would delay the flight for hours and I wouldn't make it to my destination.


RE: Exhibitionism
By Reclaimer77 on 12/30/2008 4:03:35 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Amen. Any time a baby starts crying on a plane, I have the urge to throw it into the engine. I pray that when I become a parent, I will retain the common sense I have today and only fly if absolutely necessary.


Lol so true. I was contemplating much worst...


RE: Exhibitionism
By therealnickdanger on 12/30/2008 4:19:27 PM , Rating: 2
Such contempt for life... no wonder abortion is so popular.

</sarcasm???>


RE: Exhibitionism
By Parhel on 12/30/2008 6:29:33 PM , Rating: 2
It's not always avoidable. We've had to bring our son overseas twice, and he's not yet two. We have another on the way, and will be bringing two infants on an overseas flight early next year.

It sucks to take a baby on a 10 hour flight, and I'd certainly rather not do it. But, the alternative is them never meeting their grandparents.


RE: Exhibitionism
By Lord 666 on 12/30/2008 8:03:51 PM , Rating: 3
Ever hear of a web cam?


RE: Exhibitionism
By Parhel on 12/30/2008 8:36:10 PM , Rating: 2
Yes, we use a web cam pretty regularly to keep in touch and show our son to the grandparents. It doesn't take the place of really being there, though.

If you had kids, and your parents lived overseas and couldn't come visit, you'd understand. I do my best to avoid bothering other passengers, and that's all I can do.


RE: Exhibitionism
By jasond on 12/31/2008 2:26:16 PM , Rating: 2
This is really all a matter of conditioning yourselves and your baby to be well-behaved citizens that can integrate graciously into the rest of maintstream society. Feed the kid *before* you go out. If it doesn't feed then but you have to leave, bring pre-pumped breastmilk or formula with you, bottled, and feed them on the way if you must. If the baby doesn't like the room temperature or cooler varieties, too frickin bad. The alternative is too starve which, unless you're utterly careless or your child too thoroughly retarded to recognize its own hunger pangs, it will feed on whatever the hell you give it. It just demonstrates your lack of trying and patience, and your insensivity to the people around you, to not properly condition your child to accept what you give it, and to not be a general pest to the rest of us.

For everyone who says "Baby decides when it's time to feed", you are an idiot. And a slave. With simple care and planning (and cold, machine-like resolve!) you can condition your child to behave and react appropriately in public settings.


RE: Exhibitionism
By kkwst2 on 12/30/2008 3:29:45 PM , Rating: 2
How is pumping beforehand and carrying around bottles easier than leaving it where it belongs until it needs to be used? One requires lugging around stuff, the other doesn't. There's absolutely nothing easier about pumping. The only reason to pump is if the baby is going to need fed while the mom isn't there (ie working mom).

Women should be able to breastfeed anywhere. There are simple cover ups that allow breastfeeding without showing everything off. Many, if not most, women use them when in public.

The posting pictures of it is a totally separate issue that I'm pretty ambivalent to. I don't really get posting pictures and my wife certainly wouldn't do it. But I also certainly can make the distinction between mother-baby bonding and titillation.


RE: Exhibitionism
By Reclaimer77 on 12/30/2008 3:38:16 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
How is pumping beforehand and carrying around bottles easier than leaving it where it belongs until it needs to be used? One requires lugging around stuff, the other doesn't. There's absolutely nothing easier about pumping. The only reason to pump is if the baby is going to need fed while the mom isn't there (ie working mom).


Aren't you already lugging around a diaper bag loaded with wipes, diapers, and all kinds of other crap ? I don't think a few bottles or a pump is going to make much of a dent.

quote:
Women should be able to breastfeed anywhere. There are simple cover ups that allow breastfeeding without showing everything off. Many, if not most, women use them when in public.


Being a modest attention whore is still being one.

Look lady, we get it. Your breasts are swollen and full, your hormones are raging, you feel like an amazing women. Great. Just do it somewhere else please, we DON'T need to see it.


RE: Exhibitionism
By FITCamaro on 12/30/2008 3:41:05 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Just do it somewhere else please


Like in my bedroom. But leave the baby behind. :)


RE: Exhibitionism
By Schrag4 on 12/30/2008 3:55:22 PM , Rating: 4
quote:
Wouldn't it be easier to pump at home and put some of your breast milk in a bottle and give it to junior while you're out and about in public?


As a father of 3 small children, I can tell you that you're dead wrong. Pumping is time consuming, and in the words of my wife "makes you feel like a cow being milked." Also, junior won't drink cold milk.

So, between pumping, storing, cleaning the pump equipment, heating the milk up when you're out and about (somehow), and finally feeding, pumping takes AT LEAST 3 or 4 times longer than just breastfeeding.

That being said, if a mother thinks she'll be feeding her child while she's out and about, she should bring a blanket (or something similar) to cover up while she's doing it. It's so simple to feed your child in a way that someone not paying attention won't even realize what's happening.

Now, why anyone would post photos on facebook is beyond me, but I just want to be the voice of reason here. Breastfeeding is more-or-less necessary, even in public sometimes. Anyone who disagrees probably doesn't have children.


RE: Exhibitionism
By Reclaimer77 on 12/30/08, Rating: 0
RE: Exhibitionism
By Schrag4 on 12/30/2008 4:56:09 PM , Rating: 3
Well, as I said, she would cover up first, so I guess she never 'whipped' them out. Like I said, clueless people such as yourself probably wouldn't have even noticed she was feeding...


RE: Exhibitionism
By Reclaimer77 on 12/30/2008 5:32:32 PM , Rating: 2
Look I'm sorry, but sooner or later you are going to have to come to terms with the FACT that in her deepest darkest corner of her psyche', your wife is being sexually stimulated by the fact that she's breastfeeding in public with strangers all around her, some of them watching and giving her their reactions.

And you call me clueless ? Your wife is either an exhibitionist, or completely insensitive to the consequences of her actions. And you don't have a clue about either.

She doesn't NEED to do it in public. Or post pics of it on Facebook.


RE: Exhibitionism
By hadifa on 12/30/2008 6:14:59 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
...have to come to terms with the FACT that in her deepest darkest corner of her psyche', your wife is being sexually stimulated by the fact that she's breastfeeding in public with strangers all around her...


I find it amusing how you insist on your point like you are in her head. May be that is the kind of stimulation! you get when you are in a public bathroom, knowing there are strangers around you, who are very close to you, can hear you and smell you!!

He said she is covering herself when breast feeding and is not posting images around. Is there a need to interpret everything the worse possible way?


RE: Exhibitionism
By Reclaimer77 on 12/30/2008 6:27:37 PM , Rating: 1
Hey look if you think you have the chops to dispute Sigmund Freud then be my guest. I'm not just making this stuff up you know.


RE: Exhibitionism
By Schrag4 on 12/30/2008 10:12:45 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
She doesn't NEED to do it in public. Or post pics of it on Facebook.


I agree, nobody needs to post pics of it on facebook. However, sometimes, yes, women NEED to breastfeed in public. When a newborn needs to eat, well, it needs to eat. I'm guessing you're not a parent. Are there any parents here who agree with Reclaimer77's point of view? And remember, I'm all for DISCRETE public breastfeeding, not just 'whipping them out' for all to see.


RE: Exhibitionism
By Reclaimer77 on 12/31/2008 12:03:04 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Are there any parents here who agree with Reclaimer77's point of view?


Of course not. That's the problem with our society ; nobody has the ability to look beyond their own problems and point of view.


RE: Exhibitionism
By PorcusMagnus on 12/30/2008 12:34:16 PM , Rating: 2
Please look up the meaning of voyeur. I'm pretty sure you're using it incorrectly.

There are more things that we should worry about. Just accept the fact that breast feeding is a natural thing. In fact, more people should breast feed their babies instead of using baby formula; the recent tainted baby formula scandal in China should serve as a warning.

You really should post a more persuasive argument as to why women shouldn't breast feed in public or be proud to post pictures of them doing so. As for saying "nobody" wants to see it, that is a very general statement--you don't speak for everyone.


RE: Exhibitionism
By Reclaimer77 on 12/30/2008 1:53:43 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Please look up the meaning of voyeur. I'm pretty sure you're using it incorrectly.


I'm not sure what goes on in a womans body when shes had a child and hormones are going off like crazy and making her do and think and feel god knows what. But I do know if you think there is something wonderfull and magical and sexy about breastfeeding your child, then you are being a voyeur and an exhibitionist. If you think doing it in public is some way of "sharing" your feelings with other complete strangers, then no, I'm pretty sure I AM using it correctly.

quote:
As for saying "nobody" wants to see it, that is a very general statement--you don't speak for everyone.


If you want to see it you are either a pervert, another women who thinks its "cute" or "natural", or indifferent. Nobody wants to listen to a pervert, other women don't count because they are biased, and indifferent people are indifferent. Either way, me being neither of the above makes me more credible.


RE: Exhibitionism
By Vertigo101 on 12/30/2008 3:46:51 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
If you think doing it in public is some way of "sharing" your feelings with other complete strangers, then no, I'm pretty sure I AM using it correctly.

quote:
1: one obtaining sexual gratification from observing unsuspecting individuals who are partly undressed, naked, or engaged in sexual acts ; broadly : one who habitually seeks sexual stimulation by visual means2: a prying observer who is usually seeking the sordid or the scandalous


No, he's correct. You are using the wrong word here. A voyeur would be someone watching the mom breastfeed for personal gratification. The whole denotation of the word is that they like to watch.

A voyeur might watch an exhibitionist though...


RE: Exhibitionism
By rdeegvainl on 12/30/2008 2:12:09 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Just accept the fact that breast feeding is a natural thing.


So is sex,(being as that is how the baby was made) but Facebook takes down pictures of sex as well.


RE: Exhibitionism
By FITCamaro on 12/30/2008 3:46:12 PM , Rating: 2
And we're not allowed to do it in public either. I don't think in your car should be classified as "in public" though. Especially if its dark.


RE: Exhibitionism
By jlips6 on 12/31/2008 1:55:08 PM , Rating: 2
sounds like somebody's having fun with this topic.


RE: Exhibitionism
By SilthDraeth on 12/30/2008 12:51:50 PM , Rating: 2
I disagree about having to feed your baby in public.

But I do agree that there is no need for women to post pictures of themselves breast feeding on a social networking site.

The two things are completely unrelated.


RE: Exhibitionism
By Lord 666 on 12/30/2008 1:02:09 PM , Rating: 2
At the NYC Car show two years ago the Javitts Center, some women was pubically breast feeding her four year old son between the Volvo's. Tried to snag some pics, but didn't want to get in trouble.

Anyway, my wife and I have this down as the strangest thing in public we have seen in a long time.


RE: Exhibitionism
By FITCamaro on 12/30/2008 3:25:24 PM , Rating: 1
I'm with you on public breastfeeding. But people can put what they want on facebook. If you don't wanna see it, don't go to the woman's page.


RE: Exhibitionism
By Reclaimer77 on 12/30/2008 3:29:47 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
But people can put what they want on facebook.


Well no, actually they can't. If girls can't upload titty pics, then mothers can't upload breastfeed pics either. It's a good rule and Facebook is doing the right thing.

It's really a silly thing to protest and they should feel ashamed at themselves that its THAT important they be allowed to post public breastfeeding albums.


RE: Exhibitionism
By FITCamaro on 12/30/2008 3:45:01 PM , Rating: 2
I'm just saying my opinion. I could care less if they want to post them. I just won't look at it.


RE: Exhibitionism
By cogito on 12/30/2008 3:55:55 PM , Rating: 3
Honestly I think that if breastfeeding bothers you, you have problems. Why don't you gain a little maturity and accept that women breastfeed.


RE: Exhibitionism
By redeem4god on 12/30/2008 4:43:14 PM , Rating: 2
I must echo reclaimers comments and it should reign all over the world. Just because it is a biological function of raising children does not make in non-porn or open to public display. Only these idio-cratic feminist hypocrites(usually lesbians or ugly women lacking class)would make the baseless excuse that they should have the right. To feed in public absolutely but to expose it all together NO that is just another form of indecency PERIOD! even my wife who has a pair that makes men drool thinks it is gross for any woman to show them to anyone but her husband.

that's why malls have family rooms for nursing and why Babies R Us sells $5.00 nursing blankets.

Simple and to the point there is no excuse for this. it's my right NOT to have some woman pull out her tit next to me or my daughters, showing little regard for someone else's personal space.

What a horrible society we have become to allow such a thing and what an unrefined class of women that we have who would allow themselves such exposure.

Plain and simple, there is absolutely no difference between showing your tit in public and putting it in print for playboy or any other magazine. Attaching a child to it doesn’t change your breast, nipple or areola from being just that.


RE: Exhibitionism
By Lord 666 on 12/30/2008 8:16:25 PM , Rating: 2
Post some pics of the wife to prove it


RE: Exhibitionism
By Lazarus Dark on 12/30/2008 7:36:26 PM , Rating: 5
When my aunt was breastfeeding many, many years ago, she would just whip it out any time any where, without even trying to cover anything. She even did this at my birthday party at mcdonalds with a bunch of eleven year old boys running around. This was completely unacceptable and I have never forgotten. (nor did my friends who ragged me about it for months.)

However, now my sister-in-law had a baby six months ago. I have only seen her breast feed once, the day after she delivered, and she took great care to cover up with a blanket, I saw Nothing. In six months I have not seen her breastfeed again. She goes into another room, or goes out to her car. She does not even feed in the living room when company is over. This is not shame or puritanism (she's quite liberal). This is DIGNITY and RESPECT for others. SHE does not like seeing boobs in public, and gives others the respect of not subjecting them to uncomfortable situations, while it is also somewhat of a private and sacred ritual she shares only with her child and no one else..

Breastfeeding is natural, healthy and good (God invented it after all.) But public displays are unnecessary in modern society, and can only be explained by exhibitionism and a lack of respect for those around you.


RE: Exhibitionism
By Reclaimer77 on 12/31/2008 12:05:04 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
She goes into another room, or goes out to her car. She does not even feed in the living room when company is over. This is not shame or puritanism (she's quite liberal). This is DIGNITY and RESPECT for others. SHE does not like seeing boobs in public, and gives others the respect of not subjecting them to uncomfortable situations, while it is also somewhat of a private and sacred ritual she shares only with her child and no one else.. Breastfeeding is natural, healthy and good (God invented it after all.) But public displays are unnecessary in modern society, and can only be explained by exhibitionism and a lack of respect for those around you.


Nuff said.


RE: Exhibitionism
By KCjoker on 12/30/2008 8:26:52 PM , Rating: 2
Great post. I always make it a point to stare because that's obviously what they want. Some women just can't handle being told they can't do anything and you're automaticly a sexist if you disagree.


RE: Exhibitionism
By HotFoot on 12/30/2008 9:25:07 PM , Rating: 2
You know, you could just move to Pyongyang, there pregnant women and small children aren't allowed on the streets at all. Then you can live in the perfect world you desire.

Women with very small children shouldn't be housebound. There are chores to take care of during the day. I'm not wanting to see anything myself, but a few people have pointed out that breastfeeding can be done very discretely - as in you wouldn't even know if you didn't look closely, and even then you wouldn't see any private parts. So what's the problem?

Just be greatful someone's putting in the effort raising the next generation to move your nation forward. So many of you sound like the kind of people that would slam the door in a nursing mother's face because her baby is fussing. Try thinking beyond your own selfish little world for once and the world will be a better place.


RE: Exhibitionism
By myhipsi on 12/31/2008 12:27:22 PM , Rating: 2
Amen to that. There seems to be quite a few selfish teenagers and twenty-somethings here who are obviously single and childless and can't think outside there own egocentric world.


RE: Exhibitionism
By jasond on 12/31/2008 1:53:58 PM , Rating: 2
People can also discreetly piss themselves, crap themselves, and masturbate in public, as well, but I'd prefer they also not do these things around me, along with breastfeeding. There are designated areas and facilities for carrying about your biological curses.

And the world would be a much better place if it weren't filled with fussing babies. It would be peaceful, and quiet, and beautiful. Like a Corona beer commercial. :)


RE: Exhibitionism
By KashGarinn on 12/31/2008 3:35:49 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
But there is no situation where you HAVE to pull out your tit in public and smash your babies face into it.


In the land of the free, you can't feed your baby when it needs it? Nice.

I have to agree with the mothers on this one, the care of the child is what matters, and they should have the freedom, nay encouragement to feed/aid their child whenever and wherever they want.

It kinda freaks me out, but this isn't my world, it's ours, and I'd rather see more compassion and understanding being given to people who enjoy some fancy which only mildly affects me, if at all.


RE: Exhibitionism
By Reclaimer77 on 12/31/2008 4:23:42 AM , Rating: 2
You make it sound like we're talking about ignoring the child and let it starve. Give me a break.

quote:
In the land of the free, you can't feed your baby when it needs it? Nice.


/rolls eyes


RE: Exhibitionism
By Sazabi19 on 12/31/2008 9:51:04 AM , Rating: 2
Ok, I think the point here has been a little lost. The website itself (facebook) clearly states in its policies that if a woman is to show any part of her nipple/areola that it will be taken off. If they do not like that then make you own website, it is clearly in the rules. It does not say if it is in 'good taste' or 'provocative', no, it just says nipple/areola. With that being said I would like to say there is nothing wrong with breastfeeding (if I remember there have been studies that say it does make for a healthier baby on average, no sources please) but if you do have to do it in public (babies don’t always wait nor do they have the capacity to go as long as we can w/o food) please bring something to cover yourself up. As a 19 y/o male I love to see boobs do not get me wrong but I do not want to see you feeding your kid. I do not have kids but I do have morals. I won’t go as far as to say that women that do this are trying to be exhibitionists in any way or even that they get any sexual rise out of it, but it is not appropriate to do so in society. It is natural but as others have said so is sex (a little more extreme yes but all the same) I don’t want to see any part of you that is normally covered by two or more layers (feet excluded, sandals are fine with me). As to where it is technically the woman’s freedom it is somewhat intrusive on ours. Again, if you are going to do it fine, but please just try to cover it.


RE: Exhibitionism
By Reclaimer77 on 12/31/2008 12:56:58 PM , Rating: 2
What the hell.

Yesterday this thread was my crowning achievement with +5 ratings across the board. Now -1's ?

Proof positive that a bunch of public udder flashers were called to attention by their spineless enabling husbands.

Nobody wants to see pics of you breastfeeding. Nobody.


RE: Exhibitionism
By FreeTard on 1/2/2009 12:37:39 PM , Rating: 2
That's kind of along my point. Facebook can do whatever the heck they want, if you don't like it go somewhere else.

If a 14 year old girl was breastfeeding on this site, what would the outcry be? Every guy who clicked on that pic, no matter how natural it is would be a pervert.

Pushing the kid out the "birth canal" is natural too, and from what I understand it's a very beautiful thing. Why didn't she put up a picture of herself in the stirrups, legs spread for everyone to see? Would that be acceptable?

Making a baby is a natural, beautiful thing, that most humans do, can she put pictures of herself making a baby on there?

Showering is natural, using the bathroom is natural... I could go on and on.


RE: Exhibitionism
By jasond on 12/31/2008 2:04:21 PM , Rating: 2
Pardon me but the care and sensibilities of the taxplaying, voting, adult working class that surrounds you and objects to your activities takes precedence over the needs of unreasoning, incognizant, and non-contributing infants.

This is most certainly the 'land of the free' for those who actually contribute to it and shape it, and don't spend their days just whining and deforming breasts into terrifying chest pancakes.


Missing the Point of Acceptable Standards
By jasond on 12/30/2008 2:59:36 PM , Rating: 5
Let's once again be perfectly rational about this: in the USA, typically the majority sets the standard and, in this case, they have decided they want to live in a society where out in public it's rated PG, and there's little or no public swearing, nudity, people relieving themselves on the sidewalks and, most importantly, mothers making a bovine spectacle of themselves by breastfeeding their nasty little crotch grubs in full view of the rest of us and our children. Really. No wants to see it. What you are in fact doing is taking something beautiful - a breast - and completely demolishing its core illusion by affixing some pasty, chubby, digusting infant to it.

Naked Breasts = Good, Clean, Wholesome Refreshing Fun!

Public Breastfeeding = Destroying One Of The Few Truly Beautiful Things Left In This Crumbling, Hapless World

If you're indeed absolutely comfortable siphoning away every last drop of physical beauty that used to reside in your once perky tits then, by all means, do it in the privacy of your own residence instead of forcing the rest of us to look onward in abject despair. I doubt you crude mothers of the world so intent on demanding that we be a party to the terrifying withering of your sweet, sweet breasts at the slavering jowls of the fetid slugs you insist on brandishing in such a fashion would very much appreciate the zombified 80+ year-old lady sitting or standing across from you following your queue and flashing some chesticles of her own.

This is a well-known and widely-adopted acceptable community standard of what people will tolerate when being confronted with a naked breast in full public view, influenced greatly by what time of day it is, what part of town you're in, and what condition the offending boob is in (usually determined by age limit). And I can assure you that nowhere in this standard does it allow for the privilege of unsheathing your naked hooter with a blubberous, nursing infant attached. Few things on this Earth are as repulsive. It's time your recognized that. Attempting to label "breast feeding" as "beautiful" has about as much success as you trying to label a "donkey show" as "romantic". Have a little dignity and try to be more than just a cow for your parasitic offspring, and stop forsaking all the sensuality and beauty that are inherent to natural breasts unblemished by botched comsmetic surgery or the relentless sucklings of some hideous, unctuous maggot child.




RE: Missing the Point of Acceptable Standards
By bupkus on 12/30/2008 4:34:51 PM , Rating: 2
You said it!

Naked breasts should be in strip clubs where they belong.


By FITCamaro on 12/30/2008 5:14:52 PM , Rating: 2
So should they have strip clubs where naked chicks have a baby in each arms with the baby sucking on their tits..........sh*t I'm gonna be a millionaire.....


By VitalyTheUnknown on 12/30/2008 5:22:13 PM , Rating: 2
Your post is very depressing, actually one of the most sour post I have ever read on DT, it's sounds like it's written by an angry 50 year old woman, who for her entire life fights desperately for her right of never having to be the mother so as to not mutilate her perfect figure, only to be left alone in the corner and secretly craving for any man, when it's already too late and useless to touch her saggy body.
Though there is some truth in your words the way you put it and your attitude and slang towards children makes me uncomfortable.

But hey, that was a bit fun.
If you're indeed absolutely comfortable siphoning away every last drop of physical beauty that used to reside in your once perky tits.


RE: Missing the Point of Acceptable Standards
By jasond on 12/30/2008 6:05:04 PM , Rating: 1
Actually, it's written from the perspective of a 30-something boy who's grown up to appreciate the evolving and escalating role of women in American society. For centuries we've been an uptight, overly-conservative, male chauvinist culture that's only within the last hundred years become well aware of its own collective sexuality, much less that of just women. People say women are objectified now but I believe they were more so a century ago when they were mostly housewives with reduced rights and privileges that tended to breastfeed their children whereever they chose, like their totties were some simple device of an essential and frankly unfortunate biological process . The breast itself has become an emblem of sexual freedom and awakening, and sensuality. Watching a woman waste it by shoving it in a baby's mouth is like watching civilization as we know it unravel or time-traveling backward to the 19th century.

As we evolve as a species, we not only redefine our surroundings but our perception of them. For most cultures, for perhaps all time, a breast has been a mere feeding apparatus. At best it's been a ritualized symbol of fertility. Rather droll and mundane, wouldn't you say? We altered that perception to empower knockers - embue them with special meaning that made them sought-after treasures! That's evolution, baby. Throwing breasts to infants is the proverbial "pearls before swine". Their wonder and beauty is lost on your oblivious larvae.


By VitalyTheUnknown on 12/30/2008 7:39:17 PM , Rating: 3
Oh, Boy was I right!

You wrote numerous asinine ideas and thoughts with atrocious reasoning and conclusions reached. I'll just take one from your essay as an example.

For most cultures, for perhaps all time, a breast has been a mere feeding apparatus. At best it's been a ritualized symbol of fertility. Rather droll and mundane, wouldn't you say?

Are you crazy? Breast is and was and will be above all, a feeding apparatus, and you call it mundane? what can be more important in nature than to breed, to provide, and to support your offspring.
From all your posts here it seems that you placing sex and your extreme breast-admiration fetishism above most essential things in this life. Good luck with that attitude, you say it is evolution that drives you in that direction, well... I say it is degradation.

By the way I enjoy sex too, obviously in proper perspective and orientation.


RE: Missing the Point of Acceptable Standards
By jasond on 12/30/08, Rating: 0
By VitalyTheUnknown on 12/30/2008 10:29:52 PM , Rating: 2
OK, JasonD you are either trolling here and I am wasting my time or you are really in dire need of qualified mental health professional to help you, and give you the first instructions on returning to the planet earth.
I have physicians in my family so they could easily recognize and categorize this type of delusional maniacal blocked against entry individual, the only problem is that I live thousand miles away from you, it would be hard for me to assist you in this matter. Try to seek help from people around you, if only they are not the ones who contaminate you with these horrifying and shocking thoughts. If you fell victim of religious cult try in a drastic way to change your daily activity at least for a week (do not read your favorite book do not watch dvd that is in your player and so on) and see if this would change view on subjects that you are so passionate about.

I Wish you all the best.


By jasond on 12/30/2008 11:41:13 PM , Rating: 2
Uh-oh, it's the psychoanalyst/well-wisher internet commenter. Aren't those both some of the official stereotypes...?

Yes, I'm sure you come from a long line of Freudian/Jungian altruists but, please, spare me the rhetoric. It's hardly my fault that your puritanical perspectives have lead you to a poor choice of breast assignments and/or sexual deviancy.

Honestly, all I'm trying to do is uphold the popular eroticism of female breasts and there's really no place in contemporary western society for the kind of provincial opinion you have that would allow a nursing mother to tarnish that progress in full view of an agonizing public.

If you allow one demographic of people to have their way and behave as they wish in public settings than it becomes apparent to other demographics with even less tolerable proclivities to do as they wish and just as well. In all fairness...

So, if you're perfectly OK with other persons' lifestyles and plain old nasty habits intruding on your personal space and comfort, like gang violence creeping into your neighbourhood, or the guy in the car next to you at the stoplight with the amplified stereo thumping horrendously loud hip-hop, or your upstairs neighbours having a loud drunken soiree at 3 AM when you have to get up for work in three hours, then by all means, keep setting the standard of making others in your vicinity as uncomfortable and disgusted as possible by breastfeeding your pudgy butterball infants like some self-abasing cattle, and see if it doesn't reflect in the behaviour of others.


By CloudFire on 1/1/2009 9:34:52 AM , Rating: 2
wow. honestly, you sound like a mad scientist. first off, it is only natural for a woman to breast feed her child as a "feeding mechanism" and it only natural for her husband to see her breasts in intimate acts as "erogenous zones". she's only ONE woman, do you expect her to grow another pair for dual purposes? i'll put all the following information in layman terms and concepts for you.

humans have been around for thousands of years and before all this scientific improvements of fertility through the numerous processes you've described, humanity has gotten along just fine with the natural method. I am not against any of the methods you described as i know very well what each of them are. But i am blatantly against your view of "science" rules all! what you really lack is the fundamentals of any human or child development knowledge.

I'm not going to brag about my degree online, but the first essential tid-bit about breast feeding is that it is very high in fat and is also a good source of protein which is essential for the baby for healthy development as during the infancy through toddler years, they are developing in every area of their bodies at the fastest rate in the human life span. Not just their physical bodies, but also brain is developing at astounding rates as: language, motor skills, recognition, self consciousness, first recollection of memories, social referencing, social learning, moral development, fine motor are all in crucial stages of development during the earlier stages of life. SECOND, breast milk has anti-bodies the mother has acquired through out her whole life which GREATLY GREATLY helps the baby feed off diseases and any illnesses.

Formula as great as they are as a substitution WILL NEVER be as perfected as the engineers of nature has created in
breast milk.

Another important aspect of breast feeding from a psychological developmental perspective is that the bond between a mother and a child is greatly enhanced during this process. I take it you haven't been around women or many mothers for that matter. ANY of them will tell you feeding their babies through breastfeeding is one of the MOST LOVING bonding experience they have ever encountered in their lives. From this bonding, creates the love type "Agape" that a mother has for their offspring, which in turns help her become a better and caring mother which further ensures the survival of the offspring.

Go bring your science advancement talks into some tech-cloning forum where human development or child development knowledge cease to exists and praise your neo-nano-baby milk formula. but please, get some real information before you post. If you wish, i would cite an almost infinite sources of information by renowned child-developmentalists and psychologists for your references so you can actually learn something about human development.


RE: Missing the Point of Acceptable Standards
By myhipsi on 12/31/2008 9:05:30 AM , Rating: 3
quote:
..at the slavering jowls of the fetid slugs

quote:
..affixing some pasty, chubby, digusting infant to it.

quote:
..nasty little crotch grubs

quote:
..relentless sucklings of some hideous, unctuous maggot child.

quote:
..blubberous, nursing infant attached

quote:
..parasitic offspring


Have issues?

It's obviously you probably don't have children yourself, and if by some chance you do, I feel sorry for those pasty, chubby, disgusting, parasitic maggots, as you call them. As has been demonstrated in the posts on this article, most people have no problem with it or have no opinion one way or the other, whereas you seem to have some kind of perverse disgust at the thought of a breastfeeding child. You seem to be under the false impression that breasts were made only for your viewing pleasure. Yeah, they're great to look at, but you seem to forget why nature designed them in the first place.

Don't get me wrong, when my wife breastfed our daughter she didn't post images of it to facebook or anywhere else for that matter, nor would she even want to. But you seem to have some kind of bizarre overzealous revulsion to the idea as demonstrated in your 'descriptive' ramblings, and that is infinitely more disgusting than the act of breastfeeding itself.


RE: Missing the Point of Acceptable Standards
By jasond on 12/31/2008 10:53:37 AM , Rating: 1
Kittens are cute. Puppies are cute. Even seal pups and bear cubs are cute. Human infants are the furthest thing from cute, especially, as others have mentioned in comments to this article, when they're crying on a long transcontinental or transoceanic flight, in a movie theatre, or in a restaurant, or when they're horrifyingly going vampire on a perfectly good set of bodacious, befreckled tatas.

I certainly have issues with people labeling gurgling, self-soiling hootermidgets as sweet and adorable. LOLCATS are sweet and adorable. Not whining, screeching, smelly babies. It was positively my intention to point out as descriptively as possible how truly unappealing it is having to witness some grubbing child sup at some poor, innocent breast, and draw the very last drop of dignity from it.

As Westley/The Man In Black said in The Princess Bride: "There's a shortage of perfect breasts in this world. 'Twould be a pity to damage yours."

Also, I don't believe breasts were made just for my viewing pleasure but for the viewing pleasure of all men (and homosexual/bisexual women)!


RE: Missing the Point of Acceptable Standards
By myhipsi on 12/31/2008 12:00:53 PM , Rating: 2
You're entitled to your own opinion, but you know, opinions are like a**holes, everyone's got one, and yours stinks.


By jasond on 12/31/2008 1:57:11 PM , Rating: 2
Try contributing something useful and constructive instead of your baby fetish poorly camouflaged by your own pettiness and egocentricity.


By CloudFire on 1/1/2009 9:41:08 AM , Rating: 2
don't feed the TROLL!

obviously, he has clear problems with babies or perhaps his own mother when he was young. According to Freud (just for fun), he would have been stuck at the Oral Fixation stage and can't seem to develop a healthy libido through life and regress to that stage often as he seems so bitter about naturally human feeding methods.

Sadly, Jason is entitled to his own dimwitted opinions of babies as "slavering jowls and nasty little crotch grubs" but the rest of the world doesn't agree. therefore, he loses. gg


Genitals Are Offensive...
By sh3rules on 12/30/2008 11:36:08 AM , Rating: 5
...immoral and sinful. Praise the Lord!

\sarcasm




RE: Genitals Are Offensive...
By ThePooBurner on 12/30/2008 11:43:41 AM , Rating: 2
I would say Sacred and private more than anything else. the attitude that it they, in and of themselves, is sinful or immoral ignores the fact that God created them and that He has more than sanctioned their use (though the rules about how they are to be used are often ignored). It's a shame that so many either misrepresent the view that it is sacred and for a man and his wife and not for public viewing, or just falsely think that sex is sinful no matter what. Crazy people in any demographic, though, so not much can be done.


RE: Genitals Are Offensive...
By Misty Dingos on 12/30/2008 11:44:56 AM , Rating: 5
Good God they are boobs, breasts, tits, hooters, sweater puppets, lung warts and a host of oft used terms! God gave every woman two (on average) isn't it time to get over this Puritanical debacle!

If your eyes offend you pluck them out!

But let the rest of us alone. Facebook is the sinner here and should be excommunicated.


RE: Genitals Are Offensive...
By therealnickdanger on 12/30/2008 11:49:14 AM , Rating: 3
Lung warts? Wow, that's right up there with "chesticles" as being the least flattering term to describe God's most perfect creation(s).


RE: Genitals Are Offensive...
By phazers on 12/30/2008 12:53:44 PM , Rating: 2
Actually "lunch buckets" as a breast-feeding term is the least flattering :)


RE: Genitals Are Offensive...
By FITCamaro on 12/30/2008 3:48:52 PM , Rating: 2
I think "lung warts" is more disgusting. "Lunch buckets" is somewhat accurate. You know "lunch" is what a baby is thinking when they look at a pair of tits.


RE: Genitals Are Offensive...
By therealnickdanger on 12/30/2008 11:45:53 AM , Rating: 5
Breasts are genitals? LOL

From what I've noticed, it's not the religious people that find breast-feeding offensive. My family and circle of friends are about as "right-wing-Christian-conservative" as it gets, and none of those breast-feeding women go behind locked doors when baby starts crying. Many of my "Godless-heathen-liberal" friends avoid public feeding either.

I think people that have a problem with it are just nut-cases in general, no other definitions required. Most women that I see feeding in public have a shawl or something that they drape over themselves anyway...


RE: Genitals Are Offensive...
By othercents on 12/30/2008 12:37:06 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Most women that I see feeding in public have a shawl or something that they drape over themselves anyway...

Exactly, so if most women use a shawl then why would photos without a shawl and a fully exposed breast ok? Keep in mind though that what is appropriate for an adult might not be appropriate for a child.

Facebook should setup the system to allow for explicit pictures that will also allow users to mark the pictures for adults only.

Other


RE: Genitals Are Offensive...
By Xerstead on 1/1/2009 7:24:26 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Keep in mind though that what is appropriate for an adult might not be appropriate for a child.

I pretty much agree with you, but does anyone else see the irony?


RE: Genitals Are Offensive...
By Parhel on 12/30/2008 6:37:32 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
it's not the religious people that find breast-feeding offensive


My wife has breastfed our son during Mass on several occasions. She covers up with a blanket, of course. Nobody batted an eye. They all know us, and wouldn't have thought twice about telling us if they had a problem with it. I think people here are making a big deal over nothing.


Damn...
By oTAL on 12/30/2008 11:54:23 AM , Rating: 5
Please enlighten us Europeans... is this the majority of Americans that are such prunes? Or is it a very vocal minority?

Because my humble opinion is that the zealots in the US are out of control and they have WAY too much power.
I find it especially funny that these are the same people that will die before giving up their guns.

A breast is immoral and breastfeeding can hurt the values of our children... but guns and violence are ok...




RE: Damn...
By oTAL on 12/30/2008 11:57:59 AM , Rating: 1
A good protest pic would be to photoshop a breastfeeding pic and put a blind fold on the baby.

Then add a caption like:
"Protect your child's soul or the devil will take him!"

The scary thing is that many people would probably start doing it....


RE: Damn...
By VitalyTheUnknown on 12/30/2008 3:19:37 PM , Rating: 3
Stop talking nonsense. It doesn't have anything to do with Americans being prudes or that they think breast feeding is immoral, by any reasonable man it is considered to be the most beautiful, natural and healthy thing on this planet, and that is why, for so many people it is sacred, and sacred means private, just like prayer.
By the way, I am European myself and in eastern Europe in my entire life I have never ever met a single woman breast feeding in public, if that is such a shocking news for you, I'll tell you more, a lot of woman if not majority here, don't even wont to be seen by their other half in the process of breast feeding, since the emotional bond between mother and child is being formed exactly at that time and they subconsciously isolate themself from everyone, to prevent any intrusion on a mother-child connection. This behavior is not stimulated by social ethics nor religious practices it is natural pattern of female psyche, in fact, any deviation from it can be considered as departure and abnormality.
Do I personally think that publicly available picture of breast feeding female is unwelcome? The simple answer is No, just like any picture or any form of media as long as it does not break the law of the country.


RE: Damn...
By therealnickdanger on 12/30/2008 12:08:37 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
prunes

First off, it's "prudes".

Second, you're off base with protests coming only from religious zealots.

Third, what makes you think we can be "enlightened" by Europeans? What makes them so great? Are their lives so idyllic?


RE: Damn...
By peterSK on 12/30/2008 12:49:33 PM , Rating: 2
1. ok
2. he never used term "religious". Why do you read more than there is written?
3. Dude, read the first sentence again... He wants to be enlightened, he does not want enlighten Americans...


RE: Damn...
By therealnickdanger on 12/30/2008 2:26:09 PM , Rating: 2
1. OK.
2. He didn't use the word "religious", but I read/watch enough news to know exactly what people phrases like "zealots in the US are out of control and they have WAY too much power" and "the same people that will die before giving up their guns" are describing. I have never heard those phrases used to describe anyone other than "religious right-wingers".
3. My error, no comma. I stand corrected.


RE: Damn...
By Natfly on 12/30/2008 1:02:35 PM , Rating: 4
quote:
Third, what makes you think we can be "enlightened" by Europeans? What makes them so great? Are their lives so idyllic?


I don't think he means that we need enlightenment. Just that Europeans would like to be enlightened as to why we Americans have such a close-minded view when it comes to nudity/sexuality.

I personally don't really care if I see someone nursing or not. I might stop and look for a second or 30 depending. And I think that if I had kids I wouldn't really care if they saw it either.

What gets me are these protesters that are pro-public breastfeeding. What it comes down to is that Facebook can make any and all the rules they want and enforce them how they please.


RE: Damn...
By FITCamaro on 12/30/2008 3:53:23 PM , Rating: 2
I think its pathetic how chicks acting/dressing like sluts and guys acting/dressing like pimps has become socially acceptable here in the US, but god forbid you actually see a little boob or bush.


RE: Damn...
By Xerstead on 1/1/2009 7:44:17 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
or bush.

You guys 'voted' him in :)

But I don't get it either. How is violence, offencive by nature, tolerated and embraced across the board? Films, Tv shows and computer games are frequently based on or involve combat. Yet if there is even a little consentual sexual content there is huge moral outrage?


RE: Damn...
By jasond on 12/30/2008 5:22:44 PM , Rating: 2
Breasts themselves are not intrinsically immoral when used for perfectly natural purposes; i.e., nookie, hotdogging, flashing at Mardis Gras or for Girls Gone Wild DVDs, etc. Once you've fastened a ravenous milkleech to them they quickly plummet into the realm of absolute repugnancy. What the public demands is not to have their gag reflex exercised by some vomitous new mother pouring out of her blouse on the metro (or her Facebook profile), suctioning a drool-soaked cub to her teat, and making the rest of us the unwilling audience in her show of horrors. Now, if your ideal female adult film star happens to get on the train and starts breastfeeding her companion, who happens to be a world renown female supermodel, then that's an entirely different story altogethr. There's a double standard there, and for good reason: to protect our sanity.

I think T-Shirt Hell put it best with their shirt: "I Support Gay Marriage As Long As Both Chicks Are Hot."

Regardless, most people actually don't want to be exposed to it and they, as the public, have overwhelmingly decided they don't have to be, and general regional legislation has pushed in the direction of a breastfeeding-free public. More importantly, Facebook is a private organization that has set forth its own rules and is under no obligation to cater to the insensibility of those who wish to debase themselves by displaying their bosoms with infants. If you absolutely must bear the atrocity that is your newfound udder, go do it somewhere else.


RE: Damn...
By 9nails on 12/31/2008 10:09:12 AM , Rating: 2
I LOL'ed! I'm not sure if the segue towards adult same sex nipple cleansing was necessary, but it added some flavor to the text.

What got me was "ravenous milkleech", and how correct that is!

In general, the infants are the ones who dictate feeding time. And frankly a mothers life cannot remove itself from public long enough to raise infants past the breast feeding stages and into critiquing toddlers. Occasionally, the mother will need to loose the milk jugs or face public scrutiny for child abuse. Personally, I'm more bothered by the sound of a hungry baby than the site of one made content by a mothers milk.

Apparently breast feeding a topic that a segment of mothers feel should be discussed openly and publicly - with photo evidence of course. Who am I to argue that these mothers are wrong? As for the images being hosted on Facebook - I never bothered to look. I would say good for Facebook if they allowed it. Breastfeeding is not perverse. Though I'm not the sort to seek that out at any public website to begin with. If I come across these images accidentally I'd probably improve my search terms and make nothing of it.


RE: Damn...
By Spookster on 1/2/2009 1:52:24 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Because my humble opinion is that the zealots in the US are out of control and they have WAY too much power.


That pretty much sums up how it is here in the U.S. It's all about who gives the politicians the most money. You pay the puppeteer money and you get to control the puppet. He who controls the puppet decides how things are to be in our country.


1st thing that popped in my mind...
By sciwizam on 12/30/2008 11:21:20 AM , Rating: 2
Will someone please think about the children1!!1!11!




RE: 1st thing that popped in my mind...
By FaceMaster on 12/30/2008 11:25:10 AM , Rating: 2
Will someone please think OF the children!


RE: 1st thing that popped in my mind...
By Kwincy on 12/30/2008 11:26:23 AM , Rating: 3
That picture is golden. I haven't watched that movie in a long time. funny stuff indeed.


RE: 1st thing that popped in my mind...
By AntiM on 12/30/2008 11:56:05 AM , Rating: 2
The first thing that popped into my mind was, who the hell would complain about seeing a boob ?????

There must be more important things for people to worry about... aren't there? People are becoming such idiots; a bunch of friggin cry babies.


RE: 1st thing that popped in my mind...
By Kibbles on 12/30/2008 1:22:28 PM , Rating: 2
What if it was Peter feeding Stewie?


By myhipsi on 12/31/2008 9:18:54 AM , Rating: 2
That scene in Family Guy was priceless. Especially when Stewie spits out the hair and gets this horrified look on his face. I laughed so hard I cried :P


This story makes me ask two questions
By tallguywithglasseson on 12/30/2008 12:23:24 PM , Rating: 3
1) What kind of a person complains to facebook after seeing a picture of a friend breastfeeding their baby?
2) Who the hell posts pictures of themselves breastfeeding their baby? On Facebook? WTF?




RE: This story makes me ask two questions
By Kamgusta on 12/30/2008 3:19:18 PM , Rating: 2
People are just hiding behind the "it's a natural thing" of breastfeeding to

MALEs: enjoy some stolen amateur boobs from nice young wives (or mature ones, depending on tastes) - even more enjoying when there is the husband around

FEMALEs: to be envyed by the other women and to enjoy the looks of other men at their boobs - even more enjoying when there is the husband around

The sickest part of it is that nobody admit it.


RE: This story makes me ask two questions
By FITCamaro on 12/30/2008 3:36:30 PM , Rating: 2
I freely admit I love boobs.

While its not the most attractive physical feature of a woman, it's definitely the one you get to play with the most. Bare or clothed they're still fun to play with. And they make an excellent headrest. Plus who doesn't love a good motorboat.


By jlips6 on 12/31/2008 1:40:19 PM , Rating: 2
you could write a book

"boobs, the organ with 1001 uses!"


Man Milkers
By Breathless on 12/30/2008 1:20:40 PM , Rating: 1
Not to be overly vulgar, but what if guys who felt it 'necessary' started "milking" themselves in public? "Its natural and beautiful" they could say (I do not believe in this, its just an example). It would probably get close to the same amount of attention as a woman whipping out here 'teet' in public. Maybe its beautiful to them (the mothers), but don't force your "beauty" on the public when you KNOW that there will be MANY that you will be making uncomfortable. Go in the bathroom, go in your car, 'pre pump' your teet prior to leaving your house, but don't intentionally 'force' other people to view yer milkin. Its virtually impossible not to look when something like this is going on.

It is natural by the way, and a God given right to be able to do so, but so is sex. Neither should be done in public.




RE: Man Milkers
By Hardin on 12/30/2008 1:40:10 PM , Rating: 3
I hardly think breast feeding is the same as masturbating.


RE: Man Milkers
By Breathless on 12/30/2008 1:47:44 PM , Rating: 2
My comment was meant to show the "attention getting" nature of the act, not its intended purpose. Idiotic men could make the argument that masterbating is natural (hence therefore could or should be done in public) the same way idiotic women could make the same point. No one FORCES her to go out of the publics eye, she FORCES the public eye upon herself because of her silly convictions.


RE: Man Milkers
By bupkus on 12/30/2008 4:30:18 PM , Rating: 2
"idiotic women"?

All women who breast feed in public?

Ask your mom if she ever had occasion to breast feed you in public when you wouldn't shut the hell up.


Does anyone actually go to Facebook?
By Beenthere on 12/30/2008 1:24:52 PM , Rating: 3
Surly no one with a life actually visits Facebook, do they? If you need to post pics of yourself breast-feeding a child, maybe you have some personal issues that you need to address? I mean what exactly is the point of posting the pics in the first place? I could care less about someone showing some tit, why would you post the pic to start with?




RE: Does anyone actually go to Facebook?
By Breathless on 12/30/2008 1:37:02 PM , Rating: 2
Agreed


By Breathless on 12/30/2008 1:38:12 PM , Rating: 2
except about the "I could care less about someone showing some tit" part : )


Child's right to eat vs ignorant people
By Damien on 12/30/2008 6:04:35 PM , Rating: 3
1. Everyone has a right to *not* *stare*. If you're offended, you can look at something else, or in this case, navigate away from the page.

2. Breastfeeding is not a sexual act. Due to the over sexualization of mammary glands over the past hundred years and horrendous breastfeeding rates, an unfortunately large portion of the population have a problem with this - this is *their* problem and it is up to up to the individuals affected to accept and mature past their ignorance, not a problem for the mother trying to care for their child in the best way humanly possible.

3. Most of the media outlets that have been unwilling to publish advertisements featuring infants breastfeeding (not sexual) are completely willing to show lots of other intentionally provocative advertisements (sexual) and pictures of fairly scantily clad women. This is a blatant double standard.

4. As mentioned in the article, while many sites in the past year have pulled photos for breastfeeding, almost none will pull images that are sexually provocative.

5. By pulling all images of infants breastfeeding they have now opened themselves to allowing any group of people to request other photo be removed. What if I think anyone with red hair should be shunned (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ginger_Kids), could I get a few like minded people to complain and have all photos of redheads removed?

6. There are laws in most US States and most Western countries protecting the woman's right to breastfeed her child wherever she may be. People who have a problem with this should see point #1 above.

Damien
Father of two breastfed children, author of http://breastfeeding4dads.com/




RE: Child's right to eat vs ignorant people
By jasond on 12/30/2008 6:31:24 PM , Rating: 2
1. Everyone has a right not to be exposed to offensive imagery. Congress agrees, hence TV ratings and granting cable-users the ability to lock out certain channels. Hence standards for billboard advertising and the strict FCC rules regarding public radio transmissions. I have a right not to be exposed to your wife's distended amorphous boob in any public venue, thank you.

2. The breast has been sexualized. End of story. This is not a 'problem' per se but a compromise between the amalgam of cultures that constitute the grand ‘melting pot’ that is the USA. You should be very glad that we’ve also all decided to agree that slavery is bad, women are equal to men, and porn should *not* be interspersed with your children’s Saturday morning cartoons.

3. Double Standard, indeed! Personally, I find the refinement and definitive link between breasts and sexuality in advertising to be very satisfying and comforting. There’s nothing quite like knowing exactly what someone’s trying to get at when they’re flashing a scantily-clad boob in your face. It’s very refreshing. Unlike when a woman starts breastfeeding her child on a public transport and I have to resolve all my preconceptions about boobs with my growing nausea.

4. Exactly. Because ‘sexually provocative’ imagery is just that: provocative. Breastfeeding is generally repellant, especially when coupled with the frumpy hags who tend to carry it out in public.

5. Would you rather, as a user yourself, *not* have a voice when it comes time to speak out against the thing you find offensive to have it removed?

6. I will be sure to write my congressperson to ensure that such barbarities will be penalized in the future.

You should try abandoning some of your antiquated and rural perceptions about breasts and join us in the civilized present.


By Parhel on 12/30/2008 6:45:48 PM , Rating: 2
Are you even serious??? We already have laws in most states regarding public breastfeeding, and the consensus of civilized society is that it's perfectly natural.

Here's a summary of the laws regarding breastfeeding in public by state:

http://www.ncsl.org/programs/health/breast50.htm

Hmmm . . . I don't see any there that would make you comfortable enough. Maybe you should try Iran.


heh
By plonk420 on 12/31/2008 12:51:47 AM , Rating: 2
RE: heh
By jasond on 12/31/2008 1:01:26 AM , Rating: 2
HAHAHAHHAA!!!! That was hilarious! Ya see, that's why you don't share boobs with babies. Formula or GTFO. :D


RE: heh
By Xerstead on 1/1/2009 8:01:00 AM , Rating: 2
Haha... Fantastic!!


That's just plain right
By Kamgusta on 12/30/2008 3:01:58 PM , Rating: 1
- Nobody is against breastfeeding.
- You CAN post breastfeeding images.

- There is a no-nipples policy, since minors are accessing the site.
- You CAN'T post breastfeeding images -where nipples show off-.

So some voyeur sluts are whining about what?

"Hey, we have rights, since that's the Nature"

Yeah. Making sex, pissing, shitting, spitting, farting, stinking, poking, too.

But normal people try to not let others enjoy these very personal activities.

I also would feel very sad to see my wife showing her boobs to the entire World (but even only to my neightbours).
And maybe have her crying because facebook banned the images.

Damn stupid World where are we going!




RE: That's just plain right
By diggernash on 12/30/2008 7:53:42 PM , Rating: 2
Breast does not equal sex. In fact, nudity does not equal sex... And I will never understand why so many people feel that it does. I can watch a mother breast feed a baby and not have a sexual thought, not even a quick flash.

I, however, could not watch Jennifer Lopez breast feed her baby and have any thoughts that were not sexual. Has nothing to do with the exposed breast or the baby. If every exposed breast has the same effect on you, then your standards are low enough that you should never have time to look at women breast feeding.


RE: That's just plain right
By Xerstead on 1/1/2009 7:58:14 AM , Rating: 2
Agreed, FaceBook has NOT banned pictures of breast feeding. The issue was with the exposed nipple. If the nipples were covered there would be no problem.
This is about Facebook not wanting nudity in the photos. Because she was Breast feeding that has been made the issue.
Had there been no baby the image would still have been removed.


Now what????
By fifolo on 12/30/2008 11:27:11 AM , Rating: 2
Where are we supposed to find pics of bare boobies on the net now?




RE: Now what????
By ThePooBurner on 12/30/08, Rating: 0
RE: Now what????
By ThePooBurner on 12/30/2008 12:27:36 PM , Rating: 2
Just because a question is sarcastic doesn't mean it can't be answered. Sheesh.


weird
By Murloc on 12/30/2008 12:08:29 PM , Rating: 2
beside the discussion about obscenity, do people really need to post those pics and make a story about this?




RE: weird
By omnicronx on 12/30/2008 12:18:49 PM , Rating: 2
ya really.. Breast feed as much as you would like in public, your home, at work, its natural. But do you really need these pictures on facebook? I love a nice pair of boobs as much as the next guy, but there is no reason why these people have to post these pictures. Its as if they do it for attention more so than showing the natural process that is breastfeeding.

I like your stance Google!


Breastfeeding in a toilet? Peeing in public?
By Damien on 12/30/2008 6:15:23 PM , Rating: 3
Several people here suggest that mother's should breastfeed in toilets. Think of it from this perspective. That's telling the infant that they must eat their meal/snack while sitting in a toilet stall. To all the advocates of this: please tell me, when was the last time you had your dinner while sitting on the toilet? You don't, because it's disgusting and unhealthy, the exactly same reasons why infants shouldn't have to.

Also, to the people saying that they should be allowed to relieve themselves in public: there's a difference between eating and urinating. How often do you go to a park and have a picnic? Maybe you should take your food into the conveniently located port-a-potty instead?

Damien
Father of two breastfed children, creator of http://breastfeeding4dads.com/




By jasond on 12/30/2008 8:43:50 PM , Rating: 1
Actually, you can pretty much lump the two concepts into the same catagory: public displays of obsenity. :D

You shouldn't be urinating in public any more than breastfeeding, taking a huge dump, performing open heart surgery, waxing your bikini line, etc.


.....
By jut2685 on 12/31/2008 1:46:19 AM , Rating: 4
Listening to all you rant back and forth is making my head hurt. I stopped reading about half way down when the discussion became childish banter. Anyway, my sister was breast fed, while myself and brother were not. We have asthma and allergies, she doesn't...Is it being breastfed - who knows. I have read other similar success stories with breastfeeding. Second, although it may be obscene to some...people need to realize we are mother fucking human beings. We need to piss and sleep, take shits, and fed our babies, fuck as well, among other things. These are things that all humans must do, why we censor any of them I'm not quite sure. I have no problem watching a woman breastfeed in public - cause as Sigmund Freud knows, we can look at something or we can look at something else. If you say, "Well I cant stop thinking about it!" Well you, human, fail. I call bullshit. I'm sitting right here at a computer and I'm imagining it right now, no real titties needed.

As far as facebook goes, their doing the only thing they can do. You let one thing in suddenly you're a full fledged softcore porn site in no time. Although, I agree with the cause of the protesting women, they need to brain up a bit - and go protest in a different forum. You agreed to the license agreement when you made your account. This is reminding me or the moron who sued McD's for getting HOT coffee....wait..it's...hot?!?!(but then again he won) I digress.




Meanwhile...
By Strunf on 12/30/2008 1:50:45 PM , Rating: 2
They let the terrorist supporting groups continue... but then again after the whole Janet Jackson nipple craziness people should be way more careful when showing their nipple.




Chicken at large
By dj LiTh on 12/31/2008 12:04:04 AM , Rating: 2
Had to sign up as noones said it...

To quote the Great Al Bundy and Marcy Darcy chicken at large...

Marcy: Breastfeeding is a natural beautiful thing!
Al: So's pee'ing! But you dont see me doing that in public do you?




intolerance
By wvh on 12/31/2008 11:03:01 PM , Rating: 1
I think the problem here is that crazy people make more noise than sane and healthy people. What needs to happen, especially in puritanically inclined societies, is that ordinary people finally stand up for their rights and well... sanity itself instead of thinking for themselves that it's not a big deal because they don't have any breast-feeding pictures. Until one day, their holiday snapshots are censored for containing women without burqa.

To me, censoring is a major concern because I see it as one of the main weapons of intolerance and religious lunacy.

Sometimes, even a corporation needs to stand up and keep the puritanical at bay... Facebook dropped the ball on this one.




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