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Rights groups greet reform with fire and brimstone

As expected, President Bush signed the FISA Amendments Act of 2008 into law Thursday morning, revamping the United States’ aging surveillance rules and granting telecommunications companies amnesty for their assistance in a post-9/11 mass wiretap.

Under the new law, the government gains a number of sweeping new surveillance powers, in addition to a number of additional limitations to work under. One such expansion allows the government to force e-mail providers to forward the government all communications where one side of the party is believed to be overseas – including e-mail, phone conversations, and text messages. Such surveillance includes a number of rules designed to protect the privacy of American citizens.

Meanwhile, the American Civil Liberties Union announced a counterattack just hours after the law’s signing, filing a lawsuit in the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of New York on behalf of a wide range of plaintiffs, including attorneys, journalists, and human rights organizations.

Journalists Chris Hedges and Naomi Klein of The Nation said the law creates a chilling effect on their international reporting -- since their jobs requires speaking with overseas parties that often work against American objectives, their contacts might be wary of further communication. Hedges, in particular, says that one of his sources – a secret contact close to Hamas – is already more hesitant to speak openly.

Hedges compared the passage of FISA to the tactics of authoritarian regimes he had previously worked inside, noting that their objective was to openly “prevent any dissidents, anybody who had information that countered the government” from contacting him.

“I have little doubt that the passing of this FISA bill essentially brings this type of surveillance system, and the effectiveness of that system, to the United States,” said Hedges.

The ACLU’s lawsuit asks the court to stay FISA’s immunity provisions until their constitutionality is fully evaluated.

The EFF says it will continue its supervision of the – possibly doomed – 40+ lawsuits filed against AT&T, Verizon, and others, and it is also “preparing a new case” against the government for its wiretapping program, “past, present, and future.”

Both the EFF and ACLU argue that the FISA’s dismissal of the lawsuits – the legislative branch interfering with the judicial branch, essentially – violates the constitutional principle of separated government powers.

The FISA amendments’ opponents fought long and hard in their attempts to scuttle the law before its signing, with opposition Senators attempting to stall proceedings with a filibuster and amendments that would have watered it down. Congress ultimately voted down these attempts, and instead allowed the bill a swift trip through both branches of Congress. Previous FISA law was set to expire in August, and many feel that Congress hastened the amendments’ passage in order push them out the door before the deadline. Previous attempts to update FISA died in Congress earlier this year, after grinding into a Congressional deadlock – talks were immensely complicated by a Presidential vow to veto any reform that failed to include the immunity provision.



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bLAHBLABLA
By TETRONG on 7/11/2008 1:37:14 PM , Rating: 4
Was flicking through George Tenets book the other day. You know the one who was running the CIA.
Seems he recalls telling the president innumerable times about the imminent attacks.

They got their "New Pearl Harbor" that all of those project for a new american century bozos were itching for.

Hmmm...Pearl Harbor - let's see if there was any advance indication of that attack. What do you know a cursory glance at the FACTS indicates there was.

You were born a slave and you will die a slave.





RE: bLAHBLABLA
By masher2 (blog) on 7/11/08, Rating: 0
RE: bLAHBLABLA
By TETRONG on 7/11/08, Rating: -1
RE: bLAHBLABLA
By TETRONG on 7/11/2008 11:23:21 PM , Rating: 4
March 2001 - Italian intelligence warns of an al Qaeda plot in the United States involving a massive strike involving aircraft , based on their wiretap of al Qaeda cell in Milan.
July 2001 - Jordanian intelligence told US officials that al-Qaeda was planning an attack on American soil, and Egyptian intelligence warned the CIA that 20 al Qaeda jihadists were in the United States, and that four of them were receiving flight training.
August 2001 - The Israeli Mossad gives the CIA a list of 19 terrorists living in the US and say that they appear to be planning to carry out an attack in the near future.
August 2001 - The UK is warned three times of an imminent al Qaeda attack in the United States, the third specifying multiple airplane hijackings . According to the Sunday Herald, the report is passed on to President Bush a short time later.
September 2001 - Egyptian intelligence warns American officials that al Qaeda is in the advanced stages of executing a significant operation against an American target, probably within the US.

In her testimony to the 9/11 Commission, Condoleezza Rice stated that "the threat reporting that we received in the spring and summer of 2001 was not specific as to time nor place nor manner of attack. Almost all the reports focussed on al Qaeda activities outside the United States." However, on August 6 2001, President Bush's Presidential Daily Briefing, which was entitled " Bin Laden determined to attack inside the United States " warns that Bin Laden was planning to exploit his operatives' access to the U.S. to mount a terrorist strike:

FBI information... indicates patterns of suspicious activity in this country, consistent with preparations for hijackings or other types of attack.

Rice responded, when being asked about the PDB at the Commission hearings, that " it wasn't something that we felt we needed to do anything about ".

On August 15, 2005, Army intelligence officer Lt. Col. Anthony Shaffer, and Congressman Curt Weldon (R-Pa), charged before the Senate Judiciary Committee that a Special Operations Command data mining program run by a secret US intelligence unit had identified alleged 9/11 lead hijacker Mohammed Atta and three other al-Qaeda operatives operating in the United States prior to 911.

"There is only one politically serious explanation of this now-indisputable fact: powerful forces within the US military/intelligence complex wanted a terrorist incident on US soil in order to create the needed shift in public opinion required to embark on a long-planned campaign of military intervention in Central Asia and the Middle East. Whether or not they knew the scale of the impending attacks and what the precise targets would be, they acted in such a way as to block the arrest of known terrorist operatives and allow them to carry out their plot."
--Lt. Col. Anthony Shaffer


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9/11_advance-knowledg...


RE: bLAHBLABLA
By stilltrying on 7/12/2008 1:50:34 AM , Rating: 2
Well said TET. Down with the NWO. Some people will never get a clue or they are for it. Either way you're not alone on here and have at the least my support.


Proud
By FingerMeElmo87 on 7/11/2008 8:41:02 AM , Rating: 5
im proud to be an american by im not proud of my government




RE: Proud
By Grast on 7/11/08, Rating: -1
Warrantless wiretaps are your friend
By crafty on 7/11/2008 3:38:42 PM , Rating: 2
Good afternoon fellow citizens. I just wanted to voice my approval for the new "Government cares enough about you to wiretap you" law. I mean there are terrorists out there using the internet somewhere to plan nasty stuff. Time was you had to get warrants from a secret court that disapproved them in single digits over the course of 30 years. But thankfully times are changing.

We don't need laws or the Constitution to get in the way of our government paying off large telecommunications organizations to tap their large traffic hubs. We may never know now what was going on in Room 61A of the AT&T hub in San Francisco or the Verizon circuit that went out to Quantico, VA, but now we can feel safe in knowing that the government is probably data mining every single electron in its hunt for evildoers. I say probably because that is classified as is how to win the war in Iraq.

If you ever get accused of anything, you will be comforted to know that your life is just a click away. Emails, credit history and rating, phone calls, web search history...the government has the right to know all to save all. Remember kids, the fight against evildoer terrorists is the most dangerous force the US has ever faced, more dangerous than the Soviet Union, Japan, and Germany combined. They are coming for us all but they are also lawyers. They love US laws because US laws give protection to all sort of evildoers while killing innocent victims. The founding fathers insisted on this for some reason. SO it is imperative we ignore our laws and pass others that give all the power to one person that will protect us. This is the only way to save us. One Great Protector will do what a million laws cannot. And when the terrorists come to our homes and take us hostage like some 1980s Chuck Norris movie, the Great Protector(Chuck Norris) will come and kill 'em all.




By darkfoon on 7/12/2008 6:29:31 AM , Rating: 2
Bravo!
That was some well composed sarcasm.

It's been a while since I read something that made me laugh like that.

Kudos!


Do not trust email anyway
By tmouse on 7/11/2008 8:34:40 AM , Rating: 1
While some of the provisions may have chilling effects the email part should have little effect. Maybe in journalism but outside of that people should by now know that email is has never been protected communications. Those little disclaimers people tack on to the bottom of their email have absolutely no legal standing. In the US email has always been considered the property of the owners of the email server, or the people who contract for the service. So while the government did have to receive permission to snoop around the owners did not and they could give it whom ever they pleased. The only times a lawsuit was risked would be if an ISP gave email from a company whose servers they were hosting (note this is not the same as getting email accounts on the ISP's servers). There are volumes of law supporting this position and I have never heard of a single case where the owner of the email system was successfully sued by a user. I'm pretty sure groups like Hamas are aware of this so if Chris Hedges is having problems with his contacts they are either phony anyways or incredibly stupid. I mean does he really rely on email for his contacts? How does he ever know the email is really from his source? If this is really the case he probably does a lot of stories on all of the Nigerian business men who have died leaving no one to receive their fortunes in the state owned banks....

Now to be fair Chris Hedges may be referring to other provisions and the usual hack jobs from the original article or the blog have butchered the information so badly it seems its the email provisions that are the main problem here.

Bottom line never write anything in email you would not say in a crowed room.




RE: Do not trust email anyway
By ajdavis on 7/12/2008 10:50:05 AM , Rating: 2
It's called PGP encryption. Keeps snoopers out and assures your identity. You'd do well to read about it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pretty_Good_Privacy


Proud
By FingerMeElmo87 on 7/11/2008 8:42:44 AM , Rating: 2
im proud to be an american but im not proud of my government




WWF
By BruceLeet on 7/11/2008 2:02:59 PM , Rating: 2
J.R.: Straight from HELL FIRE AND BRIMSTONE, MY GOD!!!

Lawler: Ahhh!!! I cant believe it JR!!!

J.R.: Oh here comes Sable

Lawler: AHH!! PUPPIES!!!

J.R.: Oh would you stop it..

100% irrelevant to the article but the saying "fire and brimstone" as a sub heading got my attention.




Nice Picture
By Yawgm0th on 7/11/2008 5:34:06 PM , Rating: 2
Way to make obscure references with that picture, Tom. I feel sad that I instantly recognized it.




By stilltrying on 7/11/2008 5:43:56 PM , Rating: 2
this is only about control, power, and money. the fascists running the country only want power, control, and money. prescott bush - fascist who tried to hire a general smedley butler to overthrow us govt and install a fascist dictator. read your history. you think those family values dont get presented to the rest of the bush kids. most of congress are just pawns who take their bribe to do general population wrong and follow the elites orders so maybe when they get out of congress they can be on a board of directors or what not. america was bought and sold in 1913 with the defining characteristic of socialism/communism, ala central banking. end of story




Freedom: 12/15/1791 - 07/10/2008
By maximal on 7/12/2008 6:01:43 PM , Rating: 2
In the words of George Lucas: "This is how freedom dies"




Want some whine with that cheese....
By rtrski on 7/11/08, Rating: -1
RE: Want some whine with that cheese....
By DOSGuy on 7/11/2008 9:16:49 AM , Rating: 5
It's not simply a matter of having to work harder, but whether or not he'll be able to do his job at all. People will be afraid to talk to American reporters. He's not the only one who will lose valuable contacts because of this law. The United States is isolating itself from the rest of the world, and Americans in a great many professions are being hurt financially.

For instance, Canadian banks used to outsource some of their data management to American companies, but fear that those companies could be forced to hand over their personal records has led to backlash from customers. Around the world, people won't do business with companies that allow their personal records to be handled by American companies out of fear for their privacy. Finding out that any communication I have with Americans could be handed over to the American government definitely makes me uneasy about doing business with the U.S. Americans have no idea how much business they've already lost because of bills the current administration has passed into law, and this is just another blow to the U.S. economy. I can only hope that voters will eventually get tired of watching the government flush their money down the toilet.