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New Sony PS3 FCC Label  (Source: FCC)
FCC documents show new Sony PS3 model on its way

With the slow but steady disappearance of the 60GB PlayStation 3 from store shelves, the effective entry-price for Sony’s newest console is once again $599 for the 80GB bundle. It’s unlikely that Sony will head into the holiday season at the same price point as it did last year, which is why industry analysts are predicting an upcoming price drop for the 80GB model.

Even at $499, the PlayStation 3 would still be priced well above its prime competitor – the Xbox 360 Premium at $349. Earlier this month, a report surfaced saying that Sony will introduce yet another PlayStation 3 iteration that could potentially occupy the $399 level.

The $399 model is speculated to come with a 40GB hard drive with no pack-in title. Sony would be expected to carry the 80GB model at $499 with MotorStorm or other title. Furthermore, Sony may sweeten the deal by bundling with either one or both SKUs with Spider-Man 3 on Blu-ray Disc.

A recent FCC filing by Sony may have revealed several new details about an upcoming PlayStation 3 model. Although the majority of technical details and photographs have been blocked from the public’s view at Sony’s request, the information available is able to confirm that the upcoming model – designated CECHG01 – is indeed a PlayStation 3 at the core.

Technologies described in the filing include Bluetooth, 802.11b/g WiFi, along with a number of I/O ports. The FCC report states that only two USB ports were tested (current PS3s have four ports) and there were no mention of memory card reader tests. Since the FCC is a radio test, it may not have required extensive testing of select PS3 features.

Earlier this month, Sony enlisted the help of top computer manufacturer Foxconn to manufacture low-cost PlayStation 3. The FCC filing could well be the first sign of the new product development agreement between the two companies.



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Only if
By FITCamaro on 9/27/2007 8:08:36 AM , Rating: 2
If they can actually release a $399 model and keep it there, only then will I consider getting a PS3. I'd love to play FFXIII and MGS4 but I'm not paying $600 for it.




RE: Only if
By EntreHoras on 9/27/07, Rating: 0
RE: Only if
By Adsski on 9/27/2007 9:57:09 AM , Rating: 2
If only... I lived in the USA.

Just to cheer you guys up, look at the situation were facing in the UK.

The PS3 remains in most high street stores at the launch price of £425 or $850 at the current conversion rate.

The only difference is that now you get a bundle bundle at this price. Usually 2 games and an extra controller + an HDMI lead to plug into the TV.

If you want just the console on it's own then thats £399! or $799! So obviously the bundle is a no brainer.

What stinks though, is that here in "rip off" britain in order to own a PS3 you've got to lay out a awful lot of cash on day one, no matter what!

A $399 or £200 PS3 will never be on sale in my country :-(
I'm not sure, but suspect sony have made your/ours PS3's incompatible so even if I could import one, the games / blu-ray movies wouldn't work.

Is it region free, anyone know?


RE: Only if
By softwiz on 9/27/2007 11:06:37 AM , Rating: 2
I believe games are region free, but dvd / blu-ray movies aren't.


RE: Only if
By omnicronx on 9/27/2007 11:37:33 AM , Rating: 2
I still don't understand how ps3 games can be considered region free. How can someone in Europe play an ntsc game in standard definition ? I know this is not an issue with HD resolutions but something just doesn't seem right. Can the ps3 convert ntsc to pal and vice versa?


RE: Only if
By softwiz on 9/27/2007 11:43:23 AM , Rating: 2
Though I've never actually tried it in practice...

The NTSC vs PAL issue may only relate to analog signals rather than digital ones. HDMI may work where Composite / Component would not. The frame rate, etc would be different but that'd be about it.


RE: Only if
By softwiz on 9/27/2007 11:45:50 AM , Rating: 2
I actually meant to say that the framerate might be different since it very well could be unchanged as a digital signal.


RE: Only if
By omnicronx on 9/27/2007 12:47:23 PM , Rating: 2
Most digital displays can accept any given framerate (whether it be 50 or 60) from digital sources, so there really is no issue with HD signals as the difference between PAL, and NTSC is essentially non existant. But with SD, which most of the population still has, NTSC vs PAL becomes important. Unless the ps3 somehow knows what kind of TV it is being played on (or it has an option) i do not see how PAL users can play ntsc games.


RE: Only if
By Zandros on 9/27/2007 12:57:44 PM , Rating: 2
If the console can output to both PAL and NTSC it shouldn't be a problem. Most, if not all, TVs can switch between NTSC and PAL input/output.


RE: Only if
By omnicronx on 9/27/2007 1:13:35 PM , Rating: 2
Mostly no TV's can switch between NTSC and PAL. In fact you would be hard pressed to find ANY analogue TV in North America that supports PAL. I could potentially see some more expensive TV's in europe supporting PAL and NTSC but it sure as hell is not 'most if not all'.

So regardless if the system can switch between the two formats, how can north american users play PAL discs on an analogue TV if it is not supported. Short answer is, they probably can't.

I just wonder how they can call it region free when it only applies to HDTV's


RE: Only if
By softwiz on 9/27/2007 1:56:05 PM , Rating: 2
I see three distinct groups (not exhaustive)...

1) People with HDTVs supporting HDCP
2) People with HDCP equipped DVI / HDMI monitors
3) People with Analog TVs

The PS3 is very much an HD device (even though it ridiculously comes with composite cables only) and you likely won't see it looking that much better than a PS2 connected through component cables where 480P is the max.

Honestly, come to think of it...I don't I've ever used the NTSC tuner in my HDTV. I've always used the ATSC tuner from the start and never looked back. ATSC is international standard that probably also gets around the NTSC / PAL issues since it replaces both of them.

Since the two groups above likely aren't restricted from playing imported games, that is what makes it region-free for them even if it doesn't apply 100%. The people who insist on using the PS3 with (non-hd, NTSC only) analog devices will no doubt have to deal with the whatever drawbacks come with that decision.


RE: Only if
By omnicronx on 9/27/2007 2:27:41 PM , Rating: 2
First off the ps3 and 360 for that matter looks much better on analogue TV's compared to their ps2/xbox predecessors. Polygon count and source resolution will always make a difference. Second, your forget the majority of people in the world do not have HDTV's, and i am going to be ballsy enough to say that number is close to 60% of ps3/360 owners.

ATSC is not an international standard! its a north american standard (most people would call it an american standard). DVB is the standard most nations have chose to adopt. ATSC does technically support the capability to carry PAL and SECAM video, but i do not think it is currently being used in any country.

Furthermore i was not talking about tuners, an ATSC tuner can not be used as an input for your console, its currently only used for OTA (over-the-air) digital TV signals and does not need to be HD and supports NTSC resolutions.

ATSC tuners are also not an option for everyone as it is still line of sight, and is an all or nothing situation, unlike old OTA reception where a bad signal results in static or colour distortion, ATSC is either you get the signal, or you don't which usually means you need a strong signal to get a channel. I personally use it to get local channels from buffalo NY, as ATSC signals are usually much less compressed and look much better than the compressed signals you receive from your cable/satellite company.


RE: Only if
By softwiz on 9/27/2007 3:05:56 PM , Rating: 2
Considering people most likely connected their PS2 to their TV via composite (RCA) cables rather than component cables (which were available), I can see why you might think it looks better.

Upscaling on the PS3 is disabled when using any other output than HDMI and therefore is subject to the 480p resolution limitation just as the PS2 is. This, of course assumes you're talking about games that can be played on BOTH PS2 and the PS3. Otherwise, I can't see how it could really be any better "technically" regardless of how it may "look" to you.

ATSC stands for Advanced Television Systems Committee. Which is an international organization establishing broadcasting standards for digital (including high-definition and data). While it's used outside north america, I will concede that's not totally universal yet. I also didn't mean to imply that any console would use it to connect to the TV. It was mentioned as another example of how the NTSC / PAL issue might be side stepped. Sorry for any confusion.

Short of buying a new TV, ATSC tuners can be bought as aftermarket add-ons. They may cost more people want to spend but they are an option that is available to most people. Okay, enough talk about tuners.


RE: Only if
By omnicronx on 9/27/2007 4:07:00 PM , Rating: 2
Are you really implying the only difference between the ps3 and the ps2 is resolution? First off the difference between component and composite cables were negligable with the ps2, imagines may have appeared sharper but composite was still 480i and component was still 480p(480i still if used on an analogue tv). The polycount in the ps3 compared to the ps2 is night and day and the ps2 does not have shaders, AA, etc..

I had a ps2, i have a 360, i play the same games on the same TV. I am not saying the look better to me, i am saying with 100% certainty that all games will look graphically superior to all people. Another example of this is i have a 100 inch wide screen EDTV, that means although it accepts HD resolutions it still converts the signal into 480p, and once again the difference is day and night.

Hell go play a game like madden and look at the crowed on the ps2, they look like 2d pieces of paper, compare that to the same game on ps3 or 360 the crowed somewhat looks 3d and real, even on SD


RE: Only if
By softwiz on 9/27/2007 5:18:58 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
Are you really implying the only difference between the ps3 and the ps2 is resolution?


Of course not, I already stated before the bounds of my comparison which you may have missed or ignored. I was debating nothing more than the lack of PQ improvement between the PS2 & PS3 while using games common to both consoles (i.e. PS1 / PS2 titles) on analog displays.

However, if you've been arguing that PS3 games look better than PS2 games (even on SD or ED display devices) then you indeed deserve a "Captain Obvious" award because you're definitely right about that!


RE: Only if
By Behlal on 9/27/2007 1:37:04 PM , Rating: 2
In most of Europe, the TVs can handle both a native NTSC or PAL signal and are not limited to just one.


RE: Only if
By omnicronx on 9/27/2007 2:05:46 PM , Rating: 2
no.. they can handle 625/50 and 525/60 timings. They still have a different colour encoding. It's a big misconception that the difference between NTSC and PAL are the timings. PAL could have 525 timings and NTSC could have 625. What sets them apart is the way the colours are encoded. Of course many european tv's can accept hybrid signals (mix of both) but does than mean the PS3 outputs in PAL60? I am quite confused here, and it still doesn't explain how PAL games would work in North America. Has anyone tried it by any chance?


RE: Only if
By Polynikes on 9/27/2007 12:08:00 PM , Rating: 3
That blows. What's up with that high price?

The yen is worth a fraction of the pound; you should be getting the PS3 for pretty damn cheap, theoretically.


RE: Only if
By semo on 9/27/2007 3:24:29 PM , Rating: 2
something about extra taxes vat or whatever, it doesn't matter, everything is more expensive in britain and not just the ps3. good thing the wages are higher than most places too.


RE: Only if
By 3kliksphilip on 9/27/2007 3:33:19 PM , Rating: 2
I know somebody who just spent £525 on one ($1050). It's so expensive in England. (I laughed when I found a case for £60, looked in America and it was $60)


RE: Only if
By afkrotch on 10/1/2007 1:00:25 AM , Rating: 2
Why even attempt to talk about the difference between quid and dollars?

Let me ask you, how much do you make an hour in quid and in dollars? Probably more then your US brethren. Also blame your own country for taxing the hell out of everything.


RE: Only if
By cubdukat on 9/27/2007 12:18:43 PM , Rating: 2
I'll wait to see how well the 80GB unit handles games in software emulation, since the 40GB is more likely than not going to be short an Emotion Engine chip as well. I don't care how powerful the processor is, I still don't trust software emulation of anything, especially when there's no excuse for it. For XBox 360, I can understand that, since Nvidia got themselves fired from the project and emulation is the only way to preserve backwards compatibility, but not in Sony's case. I don't think the patents on the Emotion Engine's design are held by eanyone else but Sony, except maybe Hitachi, and I think they only build the thing. So it would be relatively easy to build that kind of functinality into the Nvidia GPU the PS3 uses.


RE: Only if
By cubdukat on 9/27/2007 12:23:06 PM , Rating: 2
My bad, I meant to say "Toshiba." I just realized that Toshiba makes the Emotion Engine chips for Sony.


RE: Only if
By mars777 on 9/27/2007 12:30:55 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
For XBox 360, I can understand that, since Nvidia got themselves fired from the project and emulation is the only way to preserve backwards compatibility


Wrong. Microsoft can still produce Xbox-es. So they can even put them in the Xbox360 if they want. Remember that the Emotion Engine is a PS2-on-2-chips in a PS3.

The problem is that the Xbox360 with a few more chips would probably average 50% casualties and cost 450$ (Premium):P

So it's not that Microsoft is the the good guy that couldn't do it. It just isn't the bad guy who removed it. Well to say the truth, they are both bad guys since they are corporations. And every corporation when you look at it as a looking to a person, lacks morality and often legality.


RE: Only if
By mars777 on 9/27/2007 12:35:40 PM , Rating: 2
Well besides playing games, at 399$ is a hell of a HD player :)
Especially if you put a 250GB hdd inside for multimedia...


RE: Only if
By semo on 9/27/2007 3:29:11 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
If they can actually release a $399 model and keep it there, only then will I consider getting a PS3
so if you walk into a store today and there's a "ps3 @ $399 this weekend only" offer you wouldn't buy it because the price isn't permanent.

i smell sony bashing...

that's old, let it go, we're bashing apple now.


I'll wait
By acer905 on 9/27/2007 8:55:53 AM , Rating: 2
Till someone walks up and just hands me one. I've had bad experiences with sony products... And i hate paying for their logo..




RE: I'll wait
By BansheeX on 9/27/2007 9:13:02 AM , Rating: 2
What did they do, sell you faulty hardware and discs AND make you pay for replacement? :)


RE: I'll wait
By omnicronx on 9/27/2007 10:04:18 AM , Rating: 4
Keep Microsoft out of this, consoles aside Sony overprices their products by up to 30% of other manufacturers offering he same quality products. As the OP said, you pay for the name, your rants about Microsoft are not going to change that, just as the extended warranty obviously did not change your view of MS.


RE: I'll wait
By mars777 on 9/27/2007 12:42:35 PM , Rating: 2
First thing: Get Microsoft in this again because they do the same thing: overprice their products. Buy a Benq keyboard or mice and you get better quality lower price. The same applies to the OS. The only area where they are better is development tools.

About the Xbox:
They can extend warranty to 10 years if they want, the question is:

Do i have time and nerves to hassle with all that?

For <100 bucks they're cheaper ...
Well, I don't. If you do, please do it :)

When i know a product is factory faulty prone, i just don't buy it. No matter how long the warranty.


RE: I'll wait
By omnicronx on 9/27/2007 1:06:08 PM , Rating: 1
Of course you will pay more for any big brand name. Benq is cheaper than MS products, but MS also happen to be right on par with their main competitor Logitech in the keyboard/mouse market. So unlike Sony whom inflates prices higher than their direct competition with products that are no better, microsoft sets their prices around the same as the direct competition, which happens to be how just about every market works.

So once again, forget Microsoft in this one, Sony uses their brand name to sell products at higher prices than ANYONE else, there is really no debating this.

I guess you can say MS overprices windows, but this is once again not the same situation, as they essentially have the market to themselves whereas Sony does not.

I am not saying sony products are not good, I am just saying they overprice them over main competitors more than anyone else.


RE: I'll wait
By Loc13 on 9/27/2007 3:50:25 PM , Rating: 2
What's wrong with Sony pricing their products above their competition? Nobody forces you to buy their products. If you can find a similar product at a lower price from a competitor, you're welcome to do so.

It's like saying don't buy a BMW 3 series because you can find a similar performing car like Infinity G35 for much less.


RE: I'll wait
By omnicronx on 9/27/2007 4:31:50 PM , Rating: 2
Whats wrong with it? Sony uses many parts and the same technology as their competitors yet still costs much more than competing products, can Nissan say the same thing when comparing the G35 to a BMW? People buy Sony products for the Same reason why people buy BMW's, status. But BMW's also cost more to import (thanks to european union rules) among other things, so a BMW3 325 in North America may cost much more than the G35 that performs better. Sonys prices have nothing to do with this on the though, their prices are pure markup and they are selling you components used in the same electronics you compared the sony too.

What makes matters even worse is nobody judges you if say you have a 52" Hitachi or LG screen vs a 52" Sony screen as you still have a huge TV. On the other hand having a BMW over a Nissan could give you the appearance of 'having more money'.

If you think this is acceptable, then by all means have fun buying your marked up Sony products. Only Sony products i will ever buy will be used (and the ps3 when the price goes down ;) )


RE: I'll wait
By Timeless on 9/27/2007 5:57:32 PM , Rating: 2
Here's something you might not know omnicronx:

Infiniti is a luxury brand of Japanese automaker Nissan Motor Co., Ltd. It serves as Nissan's luxury brand in the American, Canadian, Mexican, Middle Eastern, South Korean and Taiwanese markets.

So technically, if your driving an Infiniti, you're driving a Nissan. Last I checked, Infiniti is pretty much on par with BMW.


RE: I'll wait
By afkrotch on 10/1/2007 1:19:27 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Of course you will pay more for any big brand name. Benq is cheaper than MS products, but MS also happen to be right on par with their main competitor Logitech in the keyboard/mouse market. So unlike Sony whom inflates prices higher than their direct competition with products that are no better, microsoft sets their prices around the same as the direct competition, which happens to be how just about every market works.

So once again, forget Microsoft in this one, Sony uses their brand name to sell products at higher prices than ANYONE else, there is really no debating this.


Huh? Has blu-ray, has wireless, has media card reader, has diff OS load support, has tons of resolution support, has a browser, is a full blow media center (without a PC) and all cheaper than a similiar configured Xbox 360 and the Xbox 360 has less options after all that.

If Sony had a non Blu-ray, non wireless, non media card reader PS3, guess what? It'd probably cost less than a Xbox 360 core. They just decided to not have that option. Considering that the 20 gig version sold terribly shows that majority of the consumers wanted the options.


RE: I'll wait
By BansheeX on 9/27/2007 3:10:58 PM , Rating: 2
Are you saying that something being sold for less than cost is overpriced? Even in a field like televisions, I was impressed with how Sony's sets looked compared to the cheaper fare like Westinghouse insomuch that I see them as higher priced but not overpriced.

On stuff like computers, I agree with you. Sony does try to differentiate itself by selling style a la Macintosh to people who have money to burn on that kind of thing. It has nothing to do with overcharging me or you because WE DON'T BUY THEM.

These are all terrible correlations. The PS3 costs more because of blu-ray, HDMI, and a mandatory HD. Since you weren't interested in some or all of those features, the price wasn't worth it to you. That's a big difference from being "overpriced," which would imply that they're charging you more for the same thing a competitor is offering. And it's ironic that the OP knocks Sony's reliability record when the 360 has an estimated 33% failure rate. That's way higher than the PS2's laser issues.


RE: I'll wait
By omnicronx on 9/27/2007 4:45:18 PM , Rating: 2
1# I don't consider westinghouse a competing sony brand, Sony is certainly superior. I am talking brand names such as hitachi, jvc, lg, etc..

2#As for the ps3, I should have made it clear i was talking about the electronics they sell in general, and really not the ps3 at all. It's a very rare occurrence for sony to sell a product they lose money on, only to make it back in software sales.

3# as for the ps2, you are wrong on this one, the Fail rate for the first year of PS2 sales (the ones sold in the red box) was terrible, and probably much higher than 33%. I do not know one person who had a red box ps2 last them more than 1 1/2 years (and sony didnt offer any kind of compensation except to fix your console for almost the price of a new one, I had to spend an hour on the phone with sony bitching and complaining in order to get a new one). Of course fail rates dropped to essentially nothing (although it still existed) after the original laser issue, but one could argue the same thing about the 360, Most failed 360's came from the first year of production. I think the 33% is a scewed number anyways, as it probably includes all known returns, including all those that had to return their xbox 8 times. I don't consider a referb that has already been broken a new xbox.


RE: I'll wait
By The Sword 88 on 9/27/2007 10:05:44 AM , Rating: 2
Yeah actually have you heard of "Disc Read Error" say 3 times and I had to pay shipping each time and I had trouble with my PS when it had trouble displaying graphics for games like Blitz and I had to send it in to get fixed too whereas my Xbox and now my Xbox 360, which I got on launch day, have never had a problem. I dont care what the numbers say or how things have gone for most people my MS consoles have been more reliable than mt Sony ones.


RE: I'll wait
By euclidean on 9/27/2007 12:24:37 PM , Rating: 2
I'm going to laugh when you get the RROD...haha.

And who buy's electronic equipment from retail stores these days anyways? Go to newegg and you'll find sony burners just as cheap as NEC, liteOn, etc. I agree that they do overcharge, in retail situations...but why not just buy Wholesale?

Besides that, all my sony branded equipment has done exactly what I needed it to do, last long enough that I can pick up the new Technology for roughly the same price. Do you want your PS1 to last 35 years so you can keep playing it? eh, I think most people upgrade their stuff as technology goes on....at least I don't see anyone playing Counter-Strike: Source on a 486...rofl


Sony hasn't made it easy...
By jskirwin on 9/27/2007 9:17:27 AM , Rating: 2
I can afford a PS3 - but I don't need a PS3.

When most of the titles I'm waiting for (Crysis, Mercenaries 2) are also appearing on the PC - my secondary gaming platform - I haven't had any good reason to shell out $600+ for a next gen system.

Meanwhile my Kid is pushing me to buy the Wii, and I'm missing Halo 3 on Xbox360.

Sony sure hasn't made it easy to keep the faith.




RE: Sony hasn't made it easy...
By FITCamaro on 9/27/2007 10:19:33 AM , Rating: 2
I can tell you Halo 3 was worth the wait. The only downside of it is in 4 player online co-op, its almost too easy. We were playing it on Heroic and we rarely died. The snipers are about the only thing you have to worry about. Hopefully theres a big difference between Heroic and Legendary.


RE: Sony hasn't made it easy...
By Goty on 9/27/2007 10:19:51 AM , Rating: 2
It's much more likely that any popular 360 game will make it to the PC than the chance that a popular PS3 game will since the 360's design so closely mimics that of a PC. Just be patient and you'll get most of the best of both worlds.


RE: Sony hasn't made it easy...
By omnicronx on 9/27/2007 10:33:18 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
It's much more likely that any popular 360 game will make it to the PC than the chance that a popular PS3 game will since the 360's design so closely mimics that of a PC.
The Design may be closer, but that doesn't mean it's always easier to implement. Just look at UT4, its going to be released on ps3 and PC long before because xbox live is not an open system. In fact the big games that are going to be coming out for ps3 soon, except for GT4 (UT4, MGS4) are simultaneous PC releases. The same can not be said for the big 360 games, especially Microsoft exclusive titles.


RE: Sony hasn't made it easy...
By deeznuts on 9/27/2007 1:05:15 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
When most of the titles I'm waiting for (Crysis, Mercenaries 2) are also appearing on the PC - my secondary gaming platform - I haven't had any good reason to shell out $600+ for a next gen system.


Crysis is only PC I believe, and it better be a doozy for higher resolutions. I've held out a Vid Card purchase just for Crysis. Rest of my PC is fine (CPU is up to task). There are some PS3 exclusive games that look good this holiday weekend. Ratchet and Clank and Uncharted look like good games that are slightly different than all the good games that have recently come out.

I'm missing Halo 3 too, but not really since I have never played any Halo games. I'm getting a 360 whenever I can make it out to Best Buy, so I can play Mass Effect. Halo 3 is being purchase for my nephew who is over at my house all the time. So Halo 3 is a fringe benefit so to speak.

I have never even entertained the thought about a Wii, but that Star Wars game just might make me consider it, might.

Anyways, Wii notwithstanding, I think for me, a PS3 and a 360 will cover 95% of the games I want to play.


No free game?
By Blight AC on 9/27/2007 10:27:59 AM , Rating: 1
What about that Folding@Home game that I hear is so popular with the PS3 crowd. :P




RE: No free game?
By anonymo on 9/27/2007 11:55:04 AM , Rating: 2
I hear Halo 3's online has nothing compared to this Folding game...hey if Katamari was popular I guess folding could be too...heck who cares, at least I have a reason to buy a PS3 now.

This post contains: 0% sarcasm (readings may be unclear if cynicism is detected)


RE: No free game?
By mars777 on 9/27/2007 12:48:55 PM , Rating: 3
Well you are true. Halo 3 online is crap. But the Single player is good :)

For online playing we shall wait for UT3.


RE: No free game?
By omnicronx on 9/27/2007 1:27:31 PM , Rating: 2
Not that i've played it or ever will, but 1 million live users signed onto halo 3 multiplayer in the first few days alone. Does that sound like crap to you? Your opinion doesnt seem to correspond with the rest of the word.


RE: No free game?
By omnicronx on 9/27/2007 1:31:45 PM , Rating: 2
My GF has been playing the Katamari demo for a week straight and she's addicted. She won't touch any other game on 360 so i could see this being a smash hit with the casual gamers.
I wish it wasn't so cracked out though, I am afraid of having a seizure if I watch it for too long!


Sony always has the long term in mind
By psyph3r on 9/27/2007 8:50:11 AM , Rating: 2
I'll be buying a ps3 when it hits 399. can't wait for Gran tourismo 5.




By troublesome08 on 9/27/2007 1:19:30 PM , Rating: 2
My feelings EXACTLY.

And MGS4


By Locutus465 on 9/27/2007 5:11:58 PM , Rating: 2
This should help heat up competition in the console market, at least with regard to Microsoft. If this is the ~$400 PS3 being talked about, and it does have a 40GB HD etc, then I'm sure Microsoft will end up having to respond with some sort of added value at the mid and hich ranges in some way... Perhaps a bigger premium console HD, or perhaps integrated HD-DVD? Or maybe they'll just bungle more gadgets with the base packages. At anyrate, more competition is better




SM3 and a PS3
By Snuffalufagus on 9/27/2007 10:12:33 PM , Rating: 2
"Sony may sweeten the deal by bundling with either one or both SKUs with Spider-Man 3 on Blu-ray Disc."

That's all I want to subject someone to for Christmas. Sitting through that craptacular flick one more time in all its high def blue ray goodness. Oh joy.

If Sony actually thinks of that Spider Man 3 is an incentive and folding is one of the best things you can do with a PS3...




Don't complain about overprice
By thor777 on 9/28/2007 6:20:33 PM , Rating: 2
Those of you complaining about Sony being overpriced need to learn about economics. Companies are created not to offer the consumer products at low prices. Companies' main purpose is to make money. If there are people willing to buy PS3's at $599 or $499, why would they lower the price? If you had your own company, wouldn't you set the price as high as you can get so you make the most profit? Sony is not forcing anyone to buy their products.....




By enlil242 on 9/27/2007 9:32:22 AM , Rating: 3
Yah, no kidding... If they bundle the DualShock and keep the $399 price point, I would pick one up ... maybe ;-)


By Pezman37 on 9/27/2007 10:17:47 AM , Rating: 2
I would pay that much for a ps3 at that point, I just bought an HDTV (behind the times,) and everything I can that uses it I'd like to have for it. Also I paid that much about for my 360, 399, and it was months before I didn't regret spending that much. Software is what drives me in the end, mass effect and gears of war drove me to a 360, mgs4 will probably drive me to pick up a ps3 as long as it's not 599.

Bad hardware is a chance you take with consoles that are increasing advanced, hell even wii's had a fair failure rate. I knew two people out of 8 or so that had their go bad. And I had two 360's fail on me, and no one I know did -not- get a 3 red rings of death out of 8 people, but it's still a fair buy since it was taken care of.


By FITCamaro on 9/27/2007 10:22:58 AM , Rating: 2
A co-worker had his Zelda disc get stuck in his kids Wii.....I'll never get over the awkwardness of that name.

They had to send it in.


By omnicronx on 9/27/2007 10:37:28 AM , Rating: 1
Any wii that I have seen broken seems to be user error. Mainly because putting the Disc in backwards can totally fuck up your wii, and usually will scratch the disc beyond belief. I get confused sometimes when the wii is standing up, so you can imagine how many kids must have done it already.


By deeznuts on 9/27/2007 12:53:47 PM , Rating: 4
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I'm just curious as to what easily-quotable lie they're going to put forth ...to address the reason why they won't bundle the DualShock3 with the new SKU.

That's a ridiculous statement. They're still going to sell the Sixaxis I believe, so the DS3 is a premium product. What you're saying is askin to:

Why doesn't MS include a hard drive in their Core. Why doesn't MS include a wireless controller with their Core. Why don't they include the rechargeable pack? Why doesn't MS include their HD DVD drive with their Elite. Why doesn't Nintendo include XXX with their Wii (I put XXX because I don't know what they dont' include and what they make you buy, dont' you have to buy the nunchuks or something?). Why doesn't Sony include the 80GB in all of their PS3's?

They set a price point and they see what they can include in it. You buy it or you don't based on that information. They include one wireless controller in all of their consoles, and you go from there.


By Icelight on 10/2/2007 5:13:19 PM , Rating: 2
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They're still going to sell the Sixaxis I believe, so the DS3 is a premium product.


Looks like we have our answer as to Sony's PR spin on the issue.


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