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Another New Sony PS3 Model  (Source: FCC)
FCC documents offer little data on another new PS3 model coming from Sony

With the holidays coming game system manufacturers and video game makers are getting their new wares ready for the shopping season. Sony expects to sell many of its PS3 game consoles this holiday season.

Sony is hoping that the recently announced 40GB PS3 with its lower price, thanks to smaller storage capacity and the lack of compatibility with PS2 games to help bolster adoption of the PS3 console. The FCC outed the 40GB CECHG01 PS3 console only a few weeks back.

Today the FCC again has exhibits up that provide us a few details on yet another new PS3 model CECHH01. Most of the meaty details are not included under a confidentiality request, but what is available shows the new model will have WiFi and Bluetooth like the other PS3 models currently available.

The system will be powered by a 3.2GHz processor, have 66MHz ATA, 133MHz ATA, 33MHz PCI and 750MHz SATA just like other models. The similarities to the model number of the PS3 that cleared the FCC last month could point to a version with a similarly sized hard drive, but no information on hard drive size is offered in the FCC documents.

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woopy
By blackseed on 10/16/2007 4:36:07 PM , Rating: 4
Geez whiz, Sony's marketing motto is "Confuse them, they will buy"




RE: woopy
By pomaikai on 10/16/2007 5:01:05 PM , Rating: 5
I think there motto for PS3 is "No ones buying, What else can we try"


RE: woopy
By darkpaw on 10/16/2007 5:26:55 PM , Rating: 3
I own a PS3, but I know what they need to try..

Releasing some worthwhile games (same goes for the Wii although Smash bros does finally come out in a month and a half).


RE: woopy
By Etsp on 10/16/2007 5:33:53 PM , Rating: 2
The pushed Smash Bros back to February.


RE: woopy
By darkpaw on 10/16/2007 5:52:12 PM , Rating: 2
Doh! Guess I don't need to choose between GH3 and Smash Bros now.


RE: woopy
By helios220 on 10/17/2007 9:40:54 AM , Rating: 2
It's not quite Smash Brothers, but Metroid was a pretty sweet game, and Super Mario Galaxy will hopefully make it out on schedule before too long.

That being said, my PC keeps me busy when there is nothing exciting being released for the Wii, which isn't too big of a deal considering I didn't spend all that much on the Wii. Had I spent up to $600 bucks for a console and sit there and do nothing, I think I'd be quite a bit more pissed.


RE: woopy
By euclidean on 10/17/2007 12:13:02 PM , Rating: 2
Unless you use it for what it was made for...more than just a console...it's not entirely limited to just playing games.

With the PS3, sony seemed to be trying to get into all the markets with just 1 device, instead of just the Home Theatre or Console game markets...Imagine if everyone actually stopped complaining about the PS3 as a console and realized that it's much more than that, then Sony could stop producing a ton of different electronics and just make 1 machine for everything...production costs would be cut by a lot.

But maybe it's the same reason no one has invented a Hybrid car that ran on more than one type of energy...o wait...

I agree with people in the game selection...it sucks right now, but I tend to look at things in a brighter light, what the possibilities could be, and really the idea behind the PS3 was great...but too many stuborn people in the world are gamers and just want their console to do nothing but play games really well, with a ton of titles to select from, and they want it cheap...and they especially don't want to deal with RRODs.... ;) lol.


RE: woopy
By helios220 on 10/17/2007 1:04:09 PM , Rating: 2
Microsoft effed up on the Xbox 360 design in regards to cooling and in turn the RRoD, however it’s not like this is the first time a console manufacturer has screwed up.

Remember the first generation PS2s? I was living in college dorms back then and I witnessed a considerable amount of PS2s getting dumped in the garbage with bad optical drives, no extended warranties or free repairs from Sony either.

I don't even have an Xbox 360 and hold no real allegiance towards it, but in order for the PS3 to be successful it needs to speak for itself. It needs to be validated by the possession of desirable system characteristics, not merely by the absence of sh!tty ones.

I agree the PS3 has potential, but in order for Sony to get me to buy one they are going a stronger argument then "Doesn't break as much as competitors!"


RE: woopy
By kinnoch on 10/16/2007 5:39:25 PM , Rating: 2
Smash Bros got delayed to February 10th :(


RE: woopy
By FITCamaro on 10/16/07, Rating: 0
RE: woopy
By SirLucius on 10/16/2007 6:08:45 PM , Rating: 2
It's just speculation. As much as people may dislike Sony, I don't think they're so stupid/arrogant that they'd release a model that's more expensive than the 80GB. Nor would it make much sense to try to sandwich something between the 40GB and 80GB. Logically, (and yes, Sony has had a hard time with logic in the past) an inexpensive model that would put systems in people's homes is what Sony needs now.


RE: woopy
By Chaser on 10/17/07, Rating: -1
RE: woopy
By omnicronx on 10/17/2007 11:01:04 AM , Rating: 2
Kettle is not black, you are just very misinformed...maybe stupid.

If you read dt in the last week you would know that as all 360's now include hdmi, just no cable except for the elite.
And who said the elite plays high def movies? I really wish it did, but it doesn't.

Are you a proud folding@home citizen by chance?


RE: woopy
By Locutus465 on 10/17/2007 11:01:06 AM , Rating: 2
Actually, wrong...

XBox 360 Arcade - No Hard Drive (Bundled 256MB flash)
XBox 360 Premium - Smaller hard drive than elite
XBox 360 Premium - Biggest hard drive, Bundled HDMI cable
LE Halo System - Limited edition only, HW specs match premium but system is dressed up like a spartan and includes Play & Charge free of cost.

Games for all models are equally high def (no, games don't require HD-DVD or BlueRay to be high def hate to dissapoint). All systems do include a Wireless Controller and HDMI capability though Elite is the only system that bundles a cable. An optional HD-DVD drive for playing movies may be purchased as an add on for each of the 3 models, but none include any sort of HD-DVD movie playing capability what so ever (this reduces costs across the board).

If you're going to critisize the X-Box hardware line up, please do take the time to learn what you get with each model before you do....

Now, as for my opinion as to whether any system line up is confusing... I think this could only be confusing to people who don't take the time to learn what it is they're trying to buy. If you take just a few minutes to do some research before hand it should be pretty clear...


RE: woopy
By Chaser on 10/17/2007 11:16:40 AM , Rating: 1
Actually right.

As in your explanation for Dad, Mom and little Tommy shopping at Best Buy was even more lengthy.

So to recapp PS3: Hard drive, wireless controllers, Blue Ray player/reader. 8 words compared to um 25 and an extra paragraph.

Then we have your half hour diatribe to weed through not counting all the cool add-on accessory packages.

But clear as mud now. Thanks.


RE: woopy
By Locutus465 on 10/17/2007 11:40:07 AM , Rating: 2
How is this any different than the PS3 line up? What is the main difference in the X-BOX line up? The hard drive, that's it really. What is the difference in the PS3 line up? The hard drive... Oh, yeah and whether or not little Timmy will be able to continue playing PS2 games... And then there are all the discontinued models, 20GB, 60GB....

Of course to make this even more realistic... Then frankly a PS3 at this point in time is not an option for little timmy if mom and dad are buying unless they're loaded... Probably little Timmy is going to end up with a Wii to be perfectly honest, or *maybe* and x-box Arcade sinec the price isn't all that different as compared to a Wii, but probably Timmy is getting a Wii.


RE: woopy
By deeznuts on 10/17/2007 12:48:09 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
How is this any different than the PS3 line up? What is the main difference in the X-BOX line up? The hard drive, that's it really. What is the difference in the PS3 line up? The hard drive... Oh, yeah and whether or not little Timmy will be able to continue playing PS2 games... And then there are all the discontinued models, 20GB, 60GB....
Irrespective of whether or not the PS3 is better than 360 etc., your argument is predicated on what little Timmy, standing there with mom and dad, will think of the different sku's. Discontinued models are ... discontinued, they're irrelevant, they're not sitting in front the customer. You don't have to talk about them. You bring up the hard drive, yes, that is different. For the PS3, they're different sizes. For the 360, they're different sizes ... and oh yeah, one is flat out missing it.

Not jumping into the fray of which is more confusing, just pointing out flaws in your argument. What do people off the internet think about this? Well the ones that thought $600 was too much, felt $400 is perfect. "I don't care I'll just keep my PS2." Out of my 20-30 friends who have a PS2, they're casual gamers, none of them have bought a 360, or a Wii, and some of them are intrigued by the lower price tag. Anecdotal evidence for sure, but I think this is what Sony is targeting.


RE: woopy
By Locutus465 on 10/17/2007 1:29:06 PM , Rating: 2
My point is that none are really that confusing... I don't think the PS3 line up is any more confusing than the 360... But someone just didn't want to drop it, so I figured I would make the point that if you seriously think that what microsoft is doing is confusing, then once you throw in discontinued models (60GB PS3 is still on the market even though it is not being manufactured) them OMG HOW CONFUSING (or not).

My argument about the Wii has nothing to do with confusion of the console line up, it has more to do with the fact that not only does it have the cheapest cost of entry, but it also has the cheapest games on the market. Add in the nifty control system that keeps kids getting their exersise while they play games... If I was a parent right now I know what my childeren would be getting, since I'm not I own both a Wii and a 360.


RE: woopy
By omnicronx on 10/17/2007 11:45:49 AM , Rating: 2
Give it up, after your last post nobody is going to listen to what you have to say. Poking fun at other peoples family after he proved you wrong on everything you just said just makes you sound like you are the little kid that got his/her parent to buy their console.

The PS3 was priced too high and has no games, the sales of the console prove so, especially with all the fan base they had from their previous console, the ps3 as good as it may be will be considered a flop until sales start coming in.


RE: woopy
By Chaser on 10/17/2007 11:56:54 AM , Rating: 1
Yawn...

And in other news:

New PlayStation 3 SKUs boost sales 178 per cent
Matt Martin 11:17 (BST) 16/10/2007
Third highest week of sales since launch

PlayStation 3 hardware sales jumped 178 per cent last week with the introduction of two new SKUs, helping the system record its third highest week since launch in the UK.

Two new PS3 models were introduced to market last Wednesday. A 40GB model with less functions has gone on sale for GBP 299, and the 60GB model has been reduced to GBP 349, bundled with two free first-party games.

PS3 software has also enjoyed a resurgence, with Resistance: Fall of Man climbing the all-formats charts from 22 to eight, Heavenly Sword re-entering the top 40 at number 14, MotorStorm moving from 22 to 18, and Formula 1: Championship Edition also back in the official charts at number 24.

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=...


RE: woopy
By omnicronx on 10/17/2007 12:25:49 PM , Rating: 2
178% of dismall sales is not that much.. I am sure they are still hovering at around the 200k barrier, meanwhile with the halo release, 360 sales have almost increased two fold. Leaving them well below what the 360 is currently selling, and still below what it was selling pre halo release.

And as for you game 'resurgence', what titles do you think fill the rest of the spots? Wii certainly doesn't have the attach rate the 360 has, so i have a pretty good idea which console the other top sellers belong too. Care to take a guess?

Once again, I am not saying the ps3 is a bad system, but after a year of dismal sales, you have to think Sony made a major mistake this time around, it's time to admit it.


RE: woopy
By Locutus465 on 10/17/2007 1:35:24 PM , Rating: 2
I think it's potentially correctable, which is what sony is working on... Yes the % increase hasn't saved the PS3 yet, but it does prove that if Sony decides to solve the major PS3 flaw (price) units will start moving. P

erhaps this is what this new console is supposed to help even more with, perhaps a cheaper version than the 40GB? I'm not sure what Sony would do to make justify it though, reintroduce a 20GB version only this time w/o PS2 compatibility? That might actually start getting confusing for people who aren't gamers (i.e. parents) if Jimmy down the street has a 20GB PS3 that pays PS2 games, and the one they just bought Timmy doesn't. Maybe they'll find a different way to introduce a cheaper model, a much smarter way than I just put forth... Sony isn't a stupid company, I think they can figure something out.


RE: woopy
By SirLucius on 10/17/2007 2:22:16 PM , Rating: 2
I won't argue that the PS3 was priced too high during the initial release, but it's not like Sony hasn't been making attempts to lower prices.

The question of games is one of opinion. In my opinion, the PS3 has a decent line up of games out, about half of which are currently available on the 360. Do they have a Gears of War or a Halo 3 out? No, but that doesn't mean that there aren't good games out for the system. I love how people who A.) don't own a PS3, and therefore B.) haven't played the games available rant and rave about how there are no games.
And reviewers are so opinionated that I rarely ever bother to check them anymore. If I'm unsure of the quality of a game, well, that's what Gamefly is for.

The sale of the consoles is roughly on par with where the 360 was at a similar point in it's life cycle. So that's a lame argument. No, they aren't flying off shelves, but it's not like nobody's buying them either. And with the recent price drop and the holiday shopping season coming up, I see sales picking up quite a bit.


RE: woopy
By HardwareD00d on 10/17/07, Rating: -1
RE: woopy
By HardwareD00d on 10/17/2007 1:10:18 AM , Rating: 1
thanks for the down rating, sony fan boy


RE: woopy
By bgm063 on 10/17/2007 1:34:19 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
SONY has no clue how to produce a good console. Hype and marketing is their strong point.


So MS's RRoD was some sort of breakthrough? If memory serves me correctly, the Xbox360 was known for breaks.


RE: woopy
By clayclws on 10/17/2007 5:03:02 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
SONY has no clue how to produce a good console


Really? So PS1 and PS2 were lousy consoles?


Meh...
By jskirwin on 10/16/2007 4:51:17 PM , Rating: 2
Count me as an ex-Sony fanboy who doesn't care what they release if it's not backwards compatible.

Some of have wives/SO's who don't want 2 systems, 4+ controllers, and freakin wires everywhere littering the living room.

I haven't lived in a dorm in 20 years and I don't plan on approximating one in my home now.




RE: Meh...
By CRimer76 on 10/16/2007 4:53:27 PM , Rating: 5
Maybe you should just pack up all of your video games and store them in the closet with your balls.


RE: Meh...
By RyuDeshi on 10/16/2007 5:01:27 PM , Rating: 2
oww burn =D


RE: Meh...
By darkpaw on 10/16/2007 5:25:33 PM , Rating: 2
Wish I could rate you up, but I already posted. I needed that laugh.


RE: Meh...
By jskirwin on 10/17/2007 12:30:10 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
Maybe you should just pack up all of your video games and store them in the closet with your balls.


ROFL. I'd mod you up myself but you're maxed.


RE: Meh...
By deeznuts on 10/17/2007 12:54:34 PM , Rating: 2
You know, I can appreciate a guy who laughs when he gets burned, that is a good attidude!

But back to your post, well they still have the $600 if that is the case. Even the $500 one are still around I think.

But then again price becomes an issue. You have to make compromises for lower prices ...

My 20GB is just fine since I don't ever want my gaming console to be hooked up via wifi.


RE: Meh...
By CRimer76 on 10/17/2007 2:22:55 PM , Rating: 2
It's all in good fun. Glad you're a good sport!

Not too many of those these days.


Deceptive price
By Jaegs on 10/16/2007 6:42:46 PM , Rating: 2
I hear alot about the higher price of the PS3, but I never hear people think about what the 360's online subsciption costs, I think they should factor that in, if you're planning on using your 360 for more than 2 years (which most people probably will barring RRoD) they even out to about the same price.

I own both a Ps3 and a 360, 360 has died twice so far, ps3 still doesn't have the games I want....but thats what the WoW subscription is for.




RE: Deceptive price
By Bigjee on 10/16/2007 8:03:21 PM , Rating: 1
I agree. I think the Xbox is MORE expensive than the PS3. Most people are too short sighted to see the fact that in the long run MS and 360 are more expensive to adopt. Look at all the previous 360 owners ( me included) I feel deceived, given the fact when they came out with the elite and jacked the price of a 120gb upgrade drive to ~200US (WTF! MS)
Then the RRoD, the red ring thats a constant pain. Then there's the monthly Xbox live subscription charge if you don't wanna play all by yourself in the living room.

Honestly do you think PS3's with their BLu-Rays and FREE online play is more expensive.

ALSO here's something no one mentioned. Its been almost a year and no one has been able to hack/mod the PS3. I think its cos of the fact that they made a pretty secure machine and Sony doesn't roll out crap that dies with heat issues, and needs THREE upgrades namely FALCON, JASPER and ZEPHYR to improve cooling.


RE: Deceptive price
By Gnoad on 10/16/2007 10:10:50 PM , Rating: 3
I don't think anyone has hacked/modded the ps3 because nobody cares about hacking/modding a ps3.


RE: Deceptive price
By caqde on 10/17/2007 2:02:59 AM , Rating: 2
Umm there are people hacking it....

http://www.ps3-hacks.com/

I'm sure there are more....


RE: Deceptive price
By bgm063 on 10/16/2007 10:14:49 PM , Rating: 2
I'm with you guys about the price.

On a side note, I can agree with most about the confusion of the multiple console SKUs.

But in case I'm wrong (and somebody please tell me if I'm wrong... I don't mind criticism)

MS: Core, Premium, Halo Edition, Elite, and Arcade
Sony: 20GB, 60GB, 40GB, and this other PS3 SKU on the way.

5 SKUs to 4 SKUs.... need I say more. And I'm not even looking at which SKUs are still being sold in stores...


RE: Deceptive price
By piroroadkill on 10/17/2007 5:43:31 AM , Rating: 2
Arcade is to replace Core, not go alongside it, also no matter what SKU you get, you can still upgrade without replacing the console (with the exception of HDMI)


RE: Deceptive price
By theapparition on 10/17/2007 8:52:45 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
But in case I'm wrong (and somebody please tell me if I'm wrong... I don't mind criticism)

MS: Core, Premium, Halo Edition, Elite, and Arcade
Sony: 20GB, 60GB, 40GB, and this other PS3 SKU on the way.

5 SKUs to 4 SKUs.... need I say more. And I'm not even looking at which SKUs are still being sold in stores...

You missed the Sony 80GB model. :-)

In all fairness, you can't really include the Halo Edition, special limited editions don't really count as a separate hardware release, since it's really just a painted up elite.
While there have been several hardware revisions, the model line up has remained constant. Core, premium, elite. So now they are replacing Core with Arcade, which is still just a Core with some free games, memory card, and wireless controller. Still have their 3 tier product class, with price points set for each. Most consumers don't care about the actual tech inside (Falcon, Jasper, etc). Also, they have had all of these revisions in 2 years.

Sony, has had arguably more revisions in less than 1 year. Each revision has drastically different hardware, with varying backward compatibility. They have also compounded confusion by constantly changing price points. Do you buy a PS3 now, or do you wait a month, since a new model is on the horizon and prices could drop? I personally thought it would have been a better strategy to meet the Xbox on price at launch. They would have taken a hit, but would have gained market share. It's no secret that Sony was arrogant and just assumed people would pay. It's also no secret that internally, Sony is very disappointed in sales and title support.

I think the PS3 is a very good value if you desire all the features it comes with. But if you just are into gaming, the Xbox provides a much better value and a larger list of available titles.


RE: Deceptive price
By Locutus465 on 10/17/2007 5:24:43 PM , Rating: 2
I don't think either is confusing... I really don't get this argument on either side... The differences are minimal on both sides, usually just a HD bump...


RE: Deceptive price
By Locutus465 on 10/17/2007 5:22:36 PM , Rating: 2
I suppose people don't complain about the cost of XBL Gold because they are not forced to buy it... Not that I disgree that free online multiplayer is better, but you have a WoW acct and you're complaining about XBL Gold? At least with XBL you can more than just one game :)


Interesting
By Murst on 10/16/2007 5:31:12 PM , Rating: 2
Supposedly Sony has seen nearly a 3x in sales in Europe since the release of the 40GB PS3. That would certainly get the attention of some Sony execs.

Granted, its only the first weeks after the cut, but if the increase was similar in the USA

http://ps3.joystiq.com/2007/10/16/ps3-sees-sales-s...




RE: Interesting
By atwood7fan on 10/16/2007 6:01:51 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah but 3x0 is still 0 :)


RE: Interesting
By mcnabney on 10/16/2007 6:56:19 PM , Rating: 2
The article says 178%. And it doesn't indicate from what value to what new value. That could be from 500 per month to 890.


RE: Interesting
By caqde on 10/17/2007 2:09:29 AM , Rating: 2
Learn math....
500 to 1390 would be more accurate it's a 178% increase not a 78% increase...... although it would be accurate to say 890 MORE sales.


Another PS3 model coming to confuse the consumer!
By ChipDude on 10/16/2007 6:57:40 PM , Rating: 3
Talk about trying to confuse the consumer?

You launch with two models at a ridiculous price only to quickly phase out the cheaper one.

Then you come back a few months later with higher density HDD and drop in price of the old HDD model.

Then you come right back with a lower HDD for lower price and no hardware emulation.

Then there are rumors of another model coming.

Sony what is next? How about getting some games out there?

Thru all of this WII have been flying out of stores because people want the machines to play games on them.

Sony should get a clue and quickly stop this nonsense. From the get go they tried to push the value of the 699 machine with no games but BR. Then they start changing the tune again and again. Get some games and price it to compete against the xbox360, then you might actually sell some boxes!

Show me the games or online experience that makes this a more compelling investment. Until then I'll be happy to watch from the sidelines. I am getting pretty close to buying a xbox360 with halo3 out and the rave reviews.




By Gul Westfale on 10/16/2007 7:14:31 PM , Rating: 2
i think more models are better, but only if there is an appreciable difference between them. imagine this, for example:

high-end: 200GB drive, all output options and external connectors known to man

medium: 120GB drive, outputs and connectors reduced to what most people need

low-end: 40GB drive, bare essentials for everything else (so no card reader, only 2 USB ports, etc)

if they then create different bundles for each system and perhaps give each model a different colour, then i would see the point. but creating more and more models that are all more or less the same is kinda dumb. it just confuses people. one of my friends has been wanting to buy one since it came out and has waited until a few weeks ago to buy one because he was always waiting for the "next" model. he finally realised that sony were not making more new models because they were somehow improving the system, they just made more models for the sake of making more models... i guess they have some reason for that (perhaps production-related costs?), but i sure as hell have no clue why.

the main problem here seems to be that if you want a PS3 (like my friend) then you will get one no matter what, except that the new models may confuse you into waiting a while before you buy; but if the system isn't attractive to you right now then the new machines don't make it any more attractive to you either. just what is sony's strategy here?


If the price is low enough....
By troublesome08 on 10/17/2007 1:47:15 AM , Rating: 2
I don't know what the hell Sony is thinking, but then again, hey, if they can get a 40gb ps3 to me for 3 bills, I might bite, already got a 360 but Grand Turismo 5 is comin soon and it looks sooo good




RE: If the price is low enough....
By goku on 10/17/2007 7:34:12 AM , Rating: 2
I hate the idea that they removed PS2/PS1 compatibility. The chip wasn't even that expensive anyways like $24 or something like that.


New aSKU?
By bkm32 on 10/18/2007 9:56:04 AM , Rating: 2
This new SKU is probably the white 40G that will be available in Japan on Nov 11th.




$299?
By GhandiInstinct on 10/16/07, Rating: -1
RE: $299?
By Vanilla Thunder on 10/16/2007 4:53:47 PM , Rating: 5
Wake yourself from that moist dream. IT WON'T HAPPEN.

Vanilla


RE: $299?
By SirLucius on 10/16/07, Rating: -1
RE: $299?
By SirLucius on 10/16/07, Rating: -1
RE: $299?
By mdogs444 on 10/16/2007 4:59:03 PM , Rating: 1
Who knows if the price will be $299, but my guess is you are probably close.

We all know they will not release a more expensive unit than the $599 tag that killed them in console sales, so its evident that a cheaper unit will come out. Im just questioning how different it can be than the original low end unit they sold.

My guess is its a $299 unit with a small (or no) hard drive. They need the low price point to compete with the Wii and 360 "Arcade" version, not to mention compete with low price point of High Definition DVD players out there.

However, if they CAN create a $300 console with BD, why cant they release a sub $300 BD player? If this is true, they should be able to release a $150-200 standalone BD player very easily. No?


RE: $299?
By SirLucius on 10/16/2007 5:04:41 PM , Rating: 2
I'm pretty sure they'll have to include a decent hard drive. Certain games, like Heavenly Sword and Skate, install up to 3 gigs worth of data on the hard drive, I assume to help with load times.


RE: $299?
By mdogs444 on 10/16/2007 5:09:26 PM , Rating: 2
Wow, i never realized that. I dont own one, so i assumed it was like the 360 in that it store a few MB's of data to save the game.


RE: $299?
By darkpaw on 10/16/2007 5:23:54 PM , Rating: 2
One of the best reasons to have a HDD is to cache frequently used data. Its something that the 360 should really do (if they didn't screw people on HDD size).

Nothing aggrivates me more playing a console *any console* then the attrocious load times in many games.


RE: $299?
By Alexvrb on 10/17/2007 2:47:05 PM , Rating: 2
You should note that most 360 titles load fast enough without storing huge chunks on the HD. If the developer is halfway competent you really don't need to use the HD to speed loading.

The only way I see a game making the HD mandatory is if its an MMO or something. Similar to what was done with PS2, with one minor difference: 99% of 360 owners who would buy a game like that, already have a HD. If for some reason you want to play more involved games that require it, pick up a 20GB (new or used) and you're in business.

I personally think they should require the HD for games that would really benefit from it. Don't require it for games that don't store more than a few megs (which is all your casual games, and really 95% of games period).


RE: $299?
By Alpha4 on 10/17/2007 11:00:22 PM , Rating: 2
Actually the Xbox 360 does take advantage of the HDD to reduce load times. It in fact reserves a nearly a quarter of the premium's 20GB HDD for cache purposes and provides noticable improvement in load times for content-heavy games such as Oblivion.

This is one of the primary reasons users can only view 13GB of free space on empty hard drives.


RE: $299?
By artemicion on 10/16/2007 5:49:59 PM , Rating: 2
I think the difference between the standalone BD player pricing and PS3 pricing is that Sony can take a loss on PS3 sales and justify the loss by the fact that they need to get PS3's in people's homes to make money on PS3 software. I don't think that incentive exists (or exists to the same degree) with standalone BD players.


RE: $299?
By mikeyD95125 on 10/16/2007 10:12:00 PM , Rating: 2
Well it is pretty much the same model if they did it that way.
The PS3 sells for $50-60 while blu-ray movies go for $25-30. So with the PS3 they can potentially recoup there losses faster. Much faster if the user is buying games AND movies for his or her PS3. While Sony could sell a blu-ray player below cost what is the reason to? All the players have competing with them are slightly less expensive HD DVD players, while the PS3 has the agressivly priced 360 and profitable Wii.


RE: $299?
By Locutus465 on 10/17/2007 11:06:50 PM , Rating: 2
HD-DVD players are more than slightly less expensive... At the low end of the spectrum HD-DVD will cost you 50% of what Blueray will (hardware wise).... That is not insignificant.


RE: $299?
By ruibing on 10/16/2007 9:27:43 PM , Rating: 2
I think its probably the silver edition since a bundle of the 40GB probably doesn't need a whole new FCC filing (but I could definitely be wrong about this).


RE: $299?
By sibbor on 10/17/2007 3:12:03 AM , Rating: 2
Or perhaps it's just one model like the white one, but in black color; black console + black DualShock 3 controllers. Instead of the black console + Sisaxis controls that's out there at the very moment.


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