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German laser system is actually two lasers

A German company called Rheinmetall Defense recently conducted a test on its 50 kW high-energy laser at the company's proving grounds in Switzerland. The company says that its laser system passed all tests with flying colors.
The system consists of a pair of lasers mounted on Revolver Gun air defense turrets -- one of the lasers has 30 kW of power and the other supplies 20 kW of power. The laser system uses Beam Superimposing Technology to combine the two lasers into single higher intensity beam. The laser was tested on numerous targets including a 15 mm thick steel girder that it was able to slice from a distance of 1 km.

The second test for the laser system was conducted at a distance of 2 km and the system was able to shoot down drones as they nosedived towards the ground at 15 meters per second. The radar system component of the laser was able to track the drones during their descent from up to 3 km away from the laser.

The final test, and possibly the most impressive feat the laser accomplished during testing, was to show its ability to track and destroy a very small ballistic target. The laser system was able to detect and the target an 82 mm steel ball that was traveling at 50 meters per second and destroy it. The 82 mm diameter steel ball was meant to simulate an incoming mortar round.

The defense company also notes that the proving grounds in Switzerland where the tests were conducted offered weather that was less than ideal for laser system operation. The company says that the laser functioned in ice, rain, snow, and extremely bright sunlight.
The U.S. military is also extensively testing laser weapon systems.

Source: Singularity Hub

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Nice to see another NATO member paying for defense
By HrilL on 1/8/2013 11:42:06 AM , Rating: 1
While the article doesn't actually say who is paying lets presume it is Germany and in that case its nice to see someone else in NATO other than the US actually paying for their defense.

People always compare what the US spends on defense but they always seem to overlook the fact that the US protects Europe and the South Pacific. Must be nice to not have to spend money on defense because you're under the protection of the United States.

By rpsgc on 1/8/2013 11:57:44 AM , Rating: 2
Rheinmetall Defence is a part of Rheinmetall AG.

If you don't know who they are, you might as well be silent.


By Martin84a on 1/8/2013 12:04:07 PM , Rating: 5
Each NATO member pays accordingly to a sharing-cost formula that's based on their GNI, but I guess they don't tell that in the states. And according to these numbers, USA is definitely not paying it's share...

By FITCamaro on 1/8/2013 12:17:58 PM , Rating: 2
How is paying 21-22% of the budget out of 28 countries not paying its share?

By ClownPuncher on 1/8/2013 1:32:38 PM , Rating: 2
Obviously it's because we pay more than our share. I'm sure that's what he meant...

By modus2 on 1/8/2013 2:03:08 PM , Rating: 4


US: 14,649,584
Germany: 3,539,527
(millions of US$, 2011)

% of NATO budget

US: ~22%
Germany: ~15%

maybe Germany at 1/4 the GNI is paying more through its nose eh...

also France and UK at roughly 12% of NATO budget scale fairly well with Germany GNI wise

By Martin84a on 1/8/2013 2:20:14 PM , Rating: 4
Compare pr. capita Einstein..

By topkill on 1/8/2013 11:23:43 PM , Rating: 5
OK, I'm going to piss both sides off...2 things:

1) America spends more on it's military than the next 9 countries combined. Pretending it's just the NATO spending is a complete fallacy and so you guys are spending as much as we are is total bullshit.

2) We Americans whining that Europe isn't spending their fair share is also total bullshit. Apparently, we like it that way and for some reason totally lose our fucking minds if anyone suggest cutting back our military spending by even 1%.

We seem to adore spending ourselves into oblivion on the military...and whining about the deficit.

I think that means we need to shut the fuck up until we're ready to grow up.

By drycrust3 on 1/8/2013 2:54:52 PM , Rating: 2
It doesn't really matter what percentage America pays, what matters is will America continue to pay and support NATO, and the answer currently is "no", the easily foreseeable outlook is America will cease being a financial contributer to NATO, and it will withdraw its forces from the region. How do I know this?
When I look at the US debt clock I see America's debt is increasing 2.5 times as fast as its GDP is going up, which means that as fast as America runs, they will never catch the debt car because it is speeding away from them. This means that it is only a matter of time before America must cease funding things like NATO. America needs to increase its GDP by 3 fold to get out of the situation they are now in.
For America to remain active in NATO then the EU will need to pay them, but I'm don't think EU politicians would have the stomach for that, which means American involvement will cease.
For NATO to remain a credible force, then the European members need to start behaving responsibly and start supporting it as though American involvement will cease, because it will cease.

By cfaalm on 1/8/2013 3:08:22 PM , Rating: 2
then the European members need to start behaving responsibly
Staying out of war will do, i.e. use a different vocabulary than GW Bush. We have enough issues on our hand that keep us from going to war right now.

By drycrust3 on 1/9/2013 5:03:43 AM , Rating: 2
Until that comes to pass, readiness will be the most prudent course of action.

The problem for America is they won't have the money to keep up even with their current state of readiness, let alone do the research necessary to stay ahead of everyone else.

By CubicleDilbert on 1/9/2013 2:01:42 PM , Rating: 5
Well, the question is: which country has attacked the USA in the past 60 years?
How many countries has USA attacked in the past 60 years?
Korea, Laos, Cambodia, Irak, Afganistan, Libya, Serbia, Macedonia,Grenada, Panama, Somalia...

So why should Europe spend a whole lot of money on weapons they don't need? The USSR is gone and so is the threat.

By drycrust3 on 1/9/2013 5:17:14 PM , Rating: 2
So why should Europe spend a whole lot of money on weapons they don't need? The USSR is gone and so is the threat.

One of the big lessons from WW2 was the importance of being prepared. It was only because one British Minister of Defence ordered a whole lot of Spitfires against the advice of the RAF that Great Britain had enough ... or rather just enough fighter planes to beat the Luftwaffe.
The real issue isn't whether Europe should or shouldn't have a military force, the real issue is that America has got themselves into such a seriously big financial hole that it's only a matter of time before America has to withdraw its forces from pretty well everywhere, and that everywhere includes Europe, and as such if Europe does want a credible defence force then they should start to reduce their expectations of American involvement and financial support, because like it or not, that is exactly what will happen.

By Uncle on 1/8/2013 2:58:19 PM , Rating: 4
"Must be nice to not have to spend money on defense because you're under the protection of the United States." Just for your eyes only. All Germans have to serve in the forces for two yrs when they hit 18 or 19, not just the unemployed volunteers as in the USA. After WW2 you Americans laid down the rules for Europe and that included being No1 Big Brother. No one is asking you to stay now, your insisting on it. As long as you behave and want to dump your American dollars down, whose going to refuse. I don't hear anyone begging Americans to stay. England, France, Germany, all have nukes, all have a standing Army. This is all about Economic might.

By drycrust3 on 1/8/2013 3:12:30 PM , Rating: 2
Germany, all have nukes

Germany ... a nuclear power? Apparently ... yes it is. Supposedly supplied by the Americans.

By Uncle on 1/8/2013 9:19:46 PM , Rating: 2
"Supposedly supplied by the Americans."Supposedly. So much of the American tech came from the German scientists, Einstein-Atomic bomb,"Manhattan Project personnel served in Europe, sometimes behind enemy lines, where they gathered nuclear materials and rounded up German scientists." Werner Von Braun= got you to the moon,Operation Paperclip,"The US Space Program was built on this foundation - the German scientists and their captured V-2 rockets, which in the US were repainted and renamed the Atlas rocket." shall I go on. You sound like an apple fan, steal someone elses technology, patent it and claim it as your own. Maybe thats why the Americans are still in Germany. Sounds to me like without the Germans, America would still be in the stone age.

By drycrust3 on 1/9/2013 5:00:17 AM , Rating: 2
You sound like an apple fan, steal someone elses technology, patent it and claim it as your own.

No, far from it, I use a Lenovo computer and run Linux Deepin on it, so no, I'm not an Apple fan.
The information I used for that comment said that America is allowed to store Nukes in Germany, and that Germany is allowed to control them. I got that information from Wikipedia.

By name99 on 1/8/2013 5:12:26 PM , Rating: 2
This is the same US that constantly complained every time Europe wanted to increase its defense integration? The same US that complains every time (and I mean EVERY TIME) the ESDP is strengthened?

The US wants to have it both ways --- PREVENT the EU from forming a meaningful counterweight to the US AND complain at the same time that the US is doing all the work.

Well sorry guys, it doesn't work that way. You only get to whine about one thing. As soon as you start whining about BOTH sides of an issue, you have lost ALL credibility.

By FaaR on 1/10/2013 6:09:14 AM , Rating: 2
People always compare what the US spends on defense but they always seem to overlook the fact that the US protects Europe and the South Pacific.

You sound like a typical pompous, ignorant, self-glorifying american.

No, the US does NOT "protect" europe. For starters, europe is not under attack, or even threatened in any way, so how it would need the US' "protection" is beyond me. Second, euro countries have their own standing defense forces you know, as well as many nations having mutual defense treaties with one another (including EU member states.)

...So really, you can stop "protecting" us any time you want, pal. It'll be just fine, trust me.

By GulWestfale on 1/8/2013 9:41:42 AM , Rating: 5
but incomplete until they mount it to sharks. and given that switzerland is landlocked, those would have to be landsharks...

RE: impressive...
By kleinma on 1/8/2013 10:17:22 AM , Rating: 3
Would ill-tempered sea bass do?

RE: impressive...
By joeRocket on 1/8/2013 10:47:56 AM , Rating: 4
You mean land bass.

RE: impressive...
By JediJeb on 1/8/2013 9:42:03 PM , Rating: 2
Large mouth or small mouth, which would be better?

RE: impressive...
By kleinma on 1/9/2013 1:51:08 AM , Rating: 2
you mean lance bass ;)

By Ammohunt on 1/8/2013 2:00:28 PM , Rating: 2
I have a problem with energy weapons such as these. Assuming they are remotely mobile they could be used for less than nefarious purposes such as assassinations, populace control in cases such as civil unrest etc.. with little to no means of defense against their abuse; its along the same lines as using drones in civilian airspace.

RE: Concerns
By cfaalm on 1/8/2013 3:12:49 PM , Rating: 2
Steal your sister's make up mirror, that'll teach 'em.
No idea of the power requirements though. The input often exceeds the output by quite a bit so it wont run on a handful of duracels.

This looks like what they need on the Turkish/Syrian border right now.

RE: Concerns
By Jaybus on 1/8/2013 3:59:44 PM , Rating: 3
No. Your sister's makeup mirror has a reflectivity of perhaps 90%. Not bad for makeup applications, but still lets 10% of the light from the 50 kW laser through. 5 kW is more than adequate to burn a hole through the mirror backing in a few nanoseconds, after which the reflectivity goes to zero and all 50 kW gets through.

RE: Concerns
By roykahn on 1/8/2013 7:13:56 PM , Rating: 2
If they can act as a defense against drones then I see them as a good thing. Drones are used for assassinations and terrorist operations by the US government. Try directing your concern there.

RE: Concerns
By Ammohunt on 1/9/2013 9:37:47 AM , Rating: 2
In combat operations in foreign countries not even close to the same.

RE: Concerns
By roykahn on 1/9/2013 7:58:03 PM , Rating: 2
Semantics. One man's terrorism is another man's combat operation. Look up the definition that the Pentagon has for an enemy combatant and have a laugh. I suppose you could also
say the US uses enhanced interrogation techniques instead of torture. Perhaps preemptive strikes are also legal under international law. Sprinkling glitter over poop.

Why do they look like oversized barbeques?
By nolisi on 1/8/2013 11:35:23 AM , Rating: 2
With really strange lids.

By JPForums on 1/8/2013 1:33:21 PM , Rating: 4
Look into the lens to see how your barbeque is cooking.

Beam Superimposing Technology
By futrtrubl on 1/8/2013 2:25:56 PM , Rating: 2
AKA Aiming Both Beams at the Same Spot Technology. Surely that's been patented already ;']

RE: Beam Superimposing Technology
By JediJeb on 1/8/2013 9:47:41 PM , Rating: 2
Just be sure if you add a third you never cross the beams!

One question arises
By bug77 on 1/8/2013 9:58:01 AM , Rating: 2
Can you play baseball with one of these around?

Real Genius?
By Schmide on 1/8/2013 2:32:49 PM , Rating: 2
Until it pops a giant bag of popcorn, it hasn't found it's true purpose.

You'll rue the day!

this is cool
By alu on 1/8/13, Rating: -1
RE: this is cool
By michal1980 on 1/8/2013 9:56:30 AM , Rating: 2
as long as were human.

RE: this is cool
By mcnabney on 1/8/13, Rating: 0
RE: this is cool
By MrBungle123 on 1/8/2013 10:41:06 AM , Rating: 2
After a giant meteor strikes the earth and a race of mutant fruit flys attempts to unseat us as the dominant species on the planet we'll need such things... I say keep building better weapons.

"So if you want to save the planet, feel free to drive your Hummer. Just avoid the drive thru line at McDonalds." -- Michael Asher
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