Source: RD Magazine
quote: Any and all evidence that I have ever seen for evolution is for macro-evolution.
quote: did you seriously just direct me to a Wikipedia article?
quote: I saw that the article mentions mutations and natural selection. Did you know that mutations are harmful, and never ADD anything to the DNA structure?
quote: Bacteria have been DIRECTLY observed mutating in isolated environments to develop the ability to digest new sugars -- bacterial microevolution.
quote: What part of being able to expand into new environments and survive food shortages is "harmful" and "losing", Mr. Expert? Pray, do tell.
quote: prove that the bacteria can one day change into another kind of animal if you add millions of years.
quote: Why must you persist in this kind of foolishness.
quote: No, you would expect the writer to record the sudden appearance of life on a planet that was devoid of life.
quote: but there is also a wealth of evidence that can validate a literal 6 day creation.
quote: I'd say the evidence that it's a giant spillway from a massive flood holds a lot more potential than a river carving a canyon.
quote: The sad part is, there are many people to are totally blind to the fact that the vast majority of evidence for BOTH sides has a lot of build in assumptions
quote: There is plenty of evidence that shows the grand canyon was created in a matter of days; probably a month at most.
quote: How was it formed? The truth is that no one knows for sure though there are some pretty good guesses. The chances are that a number of processes combined to create the views that you see in todays Grand Canyon. The most powerful force to have an impact on the Grand Canyon is erosion, primarily by water (and ice) and second by wind. Other forces that contributed to the Canyon's formation are the course of the Colorado River itself, vulcanism, continental drift and slight variations in the earths orbit which in turn causes variations in seasons and climate.
quote: You can reproduce the same exact result in your own back yard.
quote: The Grand Canyon is 277 miles (446 km) long, up to 18 miles (29 km) wide and attains a depth of over a mile (6,000 feet / 1,800 metres) Nearly two billion years of the Earth's geological history have been exposed as the Colorado River and its tributaries cut their channels through layer after layer of rock while the Colorado Plateau was uplifted. While the specific geologic processes and timing that formed the Grand Canyon are the subject of debate by geologists, recent evidence suggests the Colorado River established its course through the canyon at least 17 million years ago. Since that time, the Colorado River continued to erode and form the canyon to its present-day configuration.[
quote: I am going to call you the Tony Swash of the Evolution debate. You are acting just like him right now.
quote: Why doesn't ever river do this?
quote: So the Grand Canyon was carved by that river for millions of years? Why doesn't ever river do this?
quote: This has nothing to do with Apple fanboyism. Why do people keep resorting to ad hominems instead of sticking to the topics?
quote: So the Grand Canyon was carved by that river for millions of years?
quote: There is no way the atmosphere could support the volume of water required to flood the entire Earth in the given amount of time. The air pressure means the tiny animal with lungs would have died.
quote: How was Noah able to keep tropical fish?
quote: What about the arctic fish... how did he keep the water cold enough? Did he invent refrigeration?
quote: Which human was selected to harbour all the virii and bacteria that currently affect humans today? How did this poor soul avoid dying?
quote: How did all the millions of known species board the ark? The friction generated by their boarding would have burnt any wooden ship many times over.
quote: you would also be aware of the canopy theory
quote: You can change most salt water fish to fresh water in a matter of days
quote: You assume that there was an "arctic" region before the flood.
quote: Wait, what? You evolutionists say that virus/bacteria can evolve, so what's the problem?
quote: Noah brought two of every "kind".
quote: You whole argument is against faith
quote: Not EVERY single thing in this universe can be explained by science.
quote: If it is not in a material form, we can't observe it.
quote: Lets not also think about the fact that if 2 of each species were there, then they would have all died out from inbreeding within a generation or 2. Yes, it must be magic.
quote: Ever consider that the genetic lines were pure at the time? No? Thought not...
quote: you would also be aware of the canopy theory, and the "fountains of the deep"
quote: The Water Vapor Canopy Theory Why the Bible (And Science) Says It is False by Rich Deem Introduction Vapor canopy? Where did all that water come from to produce a global flood? According to many young earth creationists, there was once a thick vapor canopy that surrounded the earth. Is this idea supported by the Bible? Rich Deem One of the most common theories among young earth creationists is that the original earth possessed a water canopy consisting of vapor (most common interpretation) or ice that surrounded the earth above the troposphere and potentially up through the stratosphere. The canopy is used to explain the long lifespans of pre-flood humanity, along with the source of all the water required to explain a global flood. This paper will examine what the Bible says about the possible existence of such a canopy, along with some simple scientific rebuttals to the theory.
quote: Air can hold, at most, 55 grams of water vapor per cubic meter. In contrast, liquid water is at a density of 1,000,000 grams per cubic meter. The ratio of the two numbers is 1:18,000. Therefore, a flood of 1 mile thickness (which would cover only 1/5 of Mount Everest), would require 18,000 miles of canopy. Besides the problem of gravity (which would bring the whole thing down), such a thick layer of water vapor would completely block any light from the Sun from reaching the earth. Even a canopy of the equivalent of only 40 feet of liquid water would double the earth's atmospheric pressure, which would kill many animals, including humans. This pressure would also increase the temperature on the earth to a scorching 220°F. Most animals and plants do not survive long at this temperature. Another problem is getting the water out of the atmosphere and onto the ground without cooking everything on the earth. Each gram of water vapor that condenses to a liquid releases 539 calories of heat. For a vapor canopy to produce a global water layer of only 40 feet deep, 6.22 x 1021 grams of water would release 3.35 x 1024 calories, raising the temperature of the earth to 810°F. Such a scenario would definitely kill all life on earth, but would produce a tremendous air conditioning problem for Noah. And a 40 feet deep flood would certainly not be global.
quote: Conclusion Top of page Neither the Bible nor science support the idea that a water canopy ever existed above the earth. The Bible teaches that the "expanse" of Genesis 1:6-8 cannot be a canopy, since it encompasses both the atmosphere and interstellar space. The Bible also indicates that the "floodgates of heaven" are nothing more than a reference to clouds and rain (as found in passages after the Genesis flood). Scientifically, any kind of water canopy produces so much heat that it would cook everything on the planet.
quote: Even a canopy of the equivalent of only 40 feet of liquid water would double the earth's atmospheric pressure, which would kill many animals
quote: The canopy is used to explain the long lifespans of pre-flood humanity, along with the source of all the water required to explain a global flood.
quote: Plus, the whole logic of this writing suggests that the conditions of today where the same at the time of the flood; they were not.
quote: LoL, you are beyond ridiculous.
quote: ANd if you actually think that some devine entity snapped us all into existence 6000 years ago, I feel sorry for you, for you are truly a dullard.
quote: I actually did, but he has dismissed all DNA as fallible
quote: Fossil's as fake
quote: we see evolution happening today in our own skin color and in antibiotic resistant bacteria.
quote: Most (if not all) of the "transitional" fossils have either been totally faked
quote: When you make points worth refuting
quote: you are totally insane aren't you?
quote: I honestly believe that until we can move past the silly notions of the past religions created by primitive uneducated man, that we can never move on to something better.
quote: Human rights
quote: gays rights
quote: no child molesting
quote: There is nothing good in religion you can't find elsewhere
quote: They try their best to keep the keys to heaven to themselves.
quote: The fact is evolution happened.
quote: Then lets say its the only theory that fits the majority of evidence. Plus, the majority of alternative theories are based on religion, not science.
quote: The problem with all of your statements is that most major Religions don't dispute the evolutionary process..
quote: However, the REALITY is that Religion and Science, (even Religion and Evolution) are not mutually exclusive.
quote: And not only that, evolution is still going on...
quote: To argue that the volumes of evidence in fossils are all fake, DNA is incorrect, geolocical is incorrect , and even current examples in humans and bacteria is incorrect is just... Incorrect.
quote: If God creates through evolution, then he is wasteful and cruel.
quote: It's not the God of the Christian Bible, and not one worth worshiping.
quote: Or he stays within the constraints of his chosen physical laws.
quote: Telling Abraham to kill his son isn't cruel?
quote: Wow, that is a very weak God.
quote: If God creates through evolution, then he is wasteful and cruel. It's not the God of the Christian Bible, and not one worth worshiping.
quote: The fact of the matter is that a literal 6 day creation makes can make sense if you aren't predispositioned to think that the earth is billions of years old .
quote: It isn't that your dumb or poor, its that you don't want to be alienated from your tribe.
quote: I look like a normal average person. I usually wear khakis, brogues, a vest, a long-sleeve button-up shirt, and a tie... I've been denied jobs.
quote: That's what people are actually afraid of. Its not the laughable idea of eternal damnation from a petty, jealous, homicidal maniac of a god.
quote: I don't need anyone's validation. But I know a lot of others that do. And that's what keeps them showing up at church every Sunday.
quote: I don't think I'd be too far off the mark in saying that the other 2 in 4 would admit it if there were no consequences, and the last 1 in 4 either believe it blindly because they were brought up hearing it nonstop everyday for the whole lives, or because the reality is too depressing for them to face
quote: that you will die and your consciousness will be obliterated, that bad things happen sometimes for absolutely no reason whatsoever.
quote: Evolution offers truth through facts, and if humanity is ever going to realize its full potential, it has to embrace the bad along with the good
quote: that we started eating meat a couple million years ago, that all that extra energy through food allowed more energy to be used for thinking, and that as we thought more, we evolved more.
quote: Creation theories offer flights of fancy that don't stand up to any test.
quote: There are two significant pieces of evidence that anyone with two years of college biology should be able to look at and easily realize that evolution is how it all happened: the Urey-Miller experiment
quote: Murchison meteorite, its actually more probable that we're all aliens who've been on Planet Earth for 3+ billion years.
quote: I operate the way I do for the glory of God.
quote: I think the real issue is that you and others like you absolutely hate the idea that human beings aren't the supreme rules of the universe, thus we have to answer for our misgivings.
quote: Perhaps we don't understand, but God has a plan for everyone; including you.
quote: Oh and to top it all off, the tar in which these chemical were made were extremely toxic to life. To use this as proof is beyond laughable. The experiment was actually more harmful to the theory than helpful. It was an utter failure.
quote: What if you are wrong about God? What I am am wrong about God? Who stands to lose the most?
quote: ...But it does bias your thinking as your looking at the evidence in order to justify your already decided view.
quote: Why are the teachings of Mohammed or Hindu teachings not relevant as they make the same claims about being inspired by god/s as the Jewish/Christian bible.
quote: Except bones in the ground is all you would expect to find if evolution were true.
quote: And if we didn’t evolve from other apes isn’t it a strange coincidence that of all the creatures on earth we are most closely related to them genetically?
quote: And who says some flesh couldn’t survive millions of years sure its incredibly unlikely but impossible? Can you prove that?
quote: insertional mutation: ... but give it enough chances and there will definitely be some new genes
quote: They are a result of the amount of cosmic rays absorbed by the atmosphere which is largely dictated by the magnetosphere.
quote: But it’s quite easy to imagine that the small changes of micro-evolution would build into large changes given enough time.
quote: Okay so how do you explain the thousands of pre homo sapien skeletons and close ape-human genetic relationships as well as early tools and artwork which suggest we came from Africa?
quote: can you please explain the evidence that god spoke to a few people
quote: why he made it look exactly like you would expect it to look if god had not created the world/universe at all.
quote: Can you say "biologist"?
quote: You have to have faith somewhere
quote: in this case faith is placed in the accuracy of your conclusions from evidence
quote: A total lack of faith would mean you are omniscient
quote: You're wrong to say "faith in science". Scientific facts don't require faith because they have something called "evidence". Can you say "evidence"?
quote: Would the world be a better place without childish idiotic religious fantasies?
quote: Well, there would be no more suicide bombings
quote: no more Christian war against science education
quote: unlimited human progress with no Dark Ages superstitions to get in the way
quote: gullible cowardly moron?
quote: Since when did god-soaked idiots become rational?
quote: so they teach their congregations to hostilely oppose anything they don’t understand
quote: Have you ever stopped to think that you might be wrong, and what are the consequences of that?
quote: He claimed that within 15 to 30 years the evidence proving evolution would be so overwhelming that "even the skeptics can accept it."
quote: I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're not actually that stupid, but are trying to use an old lame creationist tactic to paint science as just another religion.
quote: Which is why, to be most technically correct, nothing in science is ever a "fact"
quote: Why does Leakey imply a "fact" by saying that the debate will soon be over? What other reason could explain such a comment?
quote: The attempt to prove or disprove religion or evolution as an absolute from a sliver of information that is implied through subjective meaning is arrogant.
quote: From your post you plainly don't like religion. Fine. Show me a successful culture that didn't have a deity, mono or plural, based religion.
quote: Religion is something that "baby" cutures did...because they didn't know any better. Some people have grown up, and moved on from religion...other people still insist on mentally sh1tting their pants.
quote: Sometimes we find the childish beliefs we had are more correct than the ones we have as teenagers when we believe that the world revolves around us.
quote: He clearly has a baseless enthusiasm for the intelligence of humanity...assuming that at some point, everyone who's insistent on not accepting reality will relent and stop being stupid. Not going to happen.
quote: There you go trying to equate science with religion again...you people never learn. There is no point in trying to "prove" or "disprove" any given religion, because they're completely untestable fairy tales - you can no more prove/disprove a religion than you can prove/disprove that there are invisible 6-dimensional leprechauns living in my butt.
quote: Show me any culture that didn't fail miserably that didn't have some religion. Your point is meaningless. It's also akin to saying "show me some presidential candidate that didn't at one time sh1t his pants on a regular basis."
quote: And when a "quorum" agrees that a theory is true, it's not just set on a shelf and declared to be capital T Truth. A scientific theory is in constant jeopardy of either being changed to accommodate new information that falsified part of it, or utterly thrown away if new information shows it to be completely wrong. Which is why, to be most technically correct, nothing in science is ever a "fact" - but I'm sure you knew that already.
quote: I wish someone would tell the IPCC and its climatologist this.
quote: and not scientific at all.
quote: Back when geocentricism was a popular theory, non-theistic science pushed it as well.
quote: My guess is that you would deny the existence of God even if he spoke directly to you.
quote: Many writings by clergy from that time period argued against a sun-centric universe as it lowered the importance of mans place in the universe. Kinda like the arguments against evolution (we evolved from monkeys? Outrageous!).
quote: People born in the deepest, most remote parts of the Amazon where they've never heard of Christ are damned to hell? Really? I disagree.