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"The Prestige" on HD DVD is only available in Europe due to differing distribution rights
European Commission gets involved in Blu-ray Disc vs. HD DVD war

It’s no secret that Blu-ray Disc has picked up more steam than HD DVD so far in 2007. With a greater number of sales and the strong backing from video rental juggernaut Blockbuster, Blu-ray appears to be gaining the edge in the overall high-definition optical format war.

While the above may all be true for North America, the situation is a little different across the pond. According to what executives from companies backing HD DVD told CNET UK, HD DVD may have a stronger foothold in Europe. The report says that, in mainland Europe, around 50 percent of movies are produced by studios independent of Hollywood. For these independent studios, whose budgets are much smaller than Hollywood, producing HD DVD media is cheaper than with Blu-ray Disc.

Furthermore, the HD DVD camp believes that the Blu-ray backers have largely ignored Europe, but instead is concentrating its effort in the U.S. market. The supposed lack of stronger Blu-ray presence is leaving an opening for HD DVD to take root in Europe.

HD DVD may also be getting a bit of assistance from the European Union. iTWire reports that the European Commission – which watches over antitrust matters – has become interested in why certain studios exclusively support one high-def format over another. While the answer to that question may be obvious for Sony and its subsidiaries, the European Commission would like to hear explanations from Disney, Fox, Lions Gate and MGM as to why they only back Blu-ray Disc.

Conversely, the European Commission may be posing the same question – but in the other direction – for Universal as to why they only support HD DVD. According to the story, the European Commission sent letters out to all studios that exclusively support one side or the other.

Of all major Hollywood studios releasing movies in high-definition optical formats, only Paramount and Warner Bros. are format neutral by releasing product for both sides.



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Red Europeans against Blue 4thjuly guys ·_·
By pekingu on 7/5/07, Rating: 0
By PsychoPif on 7/5/2007 8:38:07 AM , Rating: 2
I don't know about you, but if I had to pick a color to represent a blue ray disk, I'd choose blue.

That being said, I'm Canadian, so blame me.


RE: Red Europeans against Blue 4thjuly guys ·_·
By pekingu on 7/5/07, Rating: 0
RE: Red Europeans against Blue 4thjuly guys ·_·
By h0kiez on 7/5/2007 9:52:25 AM , Rating: 5
Dude...you're an idiot.


By cuteshox on 7/5/2007 4:10:24 PM , Rating: 2
I would have to agree.


By NuroMancer on 7/5/2007 12:35:10 PM , Rating: 2
Since your either retarded or playing stupid, I'll spell it out for ya.

BLUE ray discs have the world blue in them. Thus the discs get to be blue.

I am going to try keep this dumbed down for you. The DT editors are not part of a anti-european coalition NOR are they against socialism. Infact, the two are independant...

Wow. I hope that this is just a result of my sarcasm meter being broken against by ATOT.


RE: Red Europeans against Blue 4thjuly guys ·_·
By bigboxes on 7/5/2007 12:50:08 PM , Rating: 4
Ok, two can play that game... I'll spell it out for YOU. He was being funny. I laughed. Get a sense of humor and stop being so anal.

B-b-but Blu-Ray has "blue" in the title...

Duh.


By Marlowe on 7/5/2007 1:18:00 PM , Rating: 2
LOL :D


By Oregonian2 on 7/5/2007 2:01:38 PM , Rating: 2
But then HD uses BLUE lasers the same as Blu-ray discs. they should both be blue!


By DeepBlue1975 on 7/5/2007 3:54:01 PM , Rating: 1
Neither.
I've got the blues because I can't have the blue disk which is read by a blue ray and has a blue world.

I guess that with so much blue-ness and to get the format wars more interesting, IBM should create the Big Blue disk and call the drives something like "Blue deoxyribonucleic acid" and use a song called "I'm blue" in the commercial.

This is a stupid post of mine, I know, but you can't deny it's very blue: yet my nickname has blue so my blueness level should suffice to shadow this socialist, red liker boy whose posts have been down rated till he went... well, down.


By Parhel on 7/5/2007 10:46:12 PM , Rating: 4
That post totally blue


Not worth bothering...
By DeepBlue1975 on 7/5/2007 8:53:35 AM , Rating: 4
I won't bother picking one format over another until there's a clear winner for this format wars (I doubt there'll be any winner at all), or combo, dual format drives at an acceptable price and, of course, blank media at a reasonable price, too.

I'll let the warriors fight till death of one or marriage of both, and have some fun reading news like this which just shout out loud "don't buy any of these!"




RE: Not worth bothering...
By AlexWade on 7/5/2007 9:12:37 AM , Rating: 5
Overall, you are right, it isn't worth bothering, except if you can get a cheap player for either format. That way, if either fails, you won't be out a lot of money. I'm talking sub $99, maybe sub $199 if you can afford a little more.

Did you know that HD DVD removed the stupid region encoding system? That means you can import HD DVD's from around the world, some of which are Blu-Ray only in the US. A nice bonus. If US goes all Blu-Ray, and Europe all HD DVD, you won't be stuck if you went HD DVD.

Also, I can tell you right now why Disney and Fox chose Blu-Ray and also why Disney and Fox have been light on the releases lately. It is BD+, which was just finalized. Nobody, and I'm mean nobody, is more vicious over copyrights than Disney. Blu-Ray promised unbreakable encryption with BD+. We all know it is a lie, nothing is uncrackable. Better to give consumer a reason NOT to pirate, like Warner Brothers does, then treat them like dirt. WB puts extras you cannot pirate onto their discs, such as picture-in-picture extras. That is how you prevent piracy, make people want the original, not give them a challenge for a month or two.

I think that once BD+ is cracked and coupled with cheap HD DVD players that will flood the market sooner than cheap Blu-Ray players will force many studios to reconsider their position. I could be wrong. I do know for a fact, however, BD+ is going to be cracked.


RE: Not worth bothering...
By BladeVenom on 7/5/2007 1:14:24 PM , Rating: 2
If BD+ isn't annoying enough, you know Sony will add more copy protection later if they win the format war. They've added extra copy protection to their DVDs and CDs, even though copy protection was a violation of CD standards. I can just imagine how bad it would get if they had more control over the standards.


RE: Not worth bothering...
By nemrod on 7/5/2007 6:31:37 PM , Rating: 2
Yes but in fact:
"HD DVD may also be getting a bit of assistance from the European Union. iTWire reports that the European Commission – which watches over antitrust matters – has become interested in why certain studios exclusively support one high-def format over another. While the answer to that question may be obvious for Sony and its subsidiaries, the European Commission would like to hear explanations from Disney, Fox, Lions Gate and MGM as to why they only back Blu-ray Disc."

The point is bluray has region encoding system, the bluray has BD+ and hackers have proove that both HD-DVD and Bluray first protection could be bypass. So now, Disney, Fox, Lions Gate and MGM have gold in the hand...

The question is why distributors have chose a format which is less secure, despite they always cry of piracy...


Here's an idea
By umeng2002 on 7/5/2007 6:22:23 PM , Rating: 1
... why don't movie studios sell the rights to an encoded file. Then you can burn it to a BD or HDDVD at a store or on you're computer. Scratch the disk? Burn another one at home or at a store for a few dollars. Or just save the file on you're hard drive.

God, the EU is like communism disguised as a protective entity. It wants these hearings on why one studio supports one format over the other? God forbid a company has the right to decide what technology it wants to use. I feel they play the antitrust card every time they see an opportunity to bring down large US and other non-EU based corporations. They're trying to legislate those companies out and legislate in their own domestic.




RE: Here's an idea
By RubberJohnny on 7/5/2007 8:47:10 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
... why don't movie studios sell the rights to an encoded file

And whats stopping you from burning multiple copys and giving them to your friends? It'll be a cold day in hell before movie studios sell drm free disks...

I agree with your second point though, just when it looked like one format was gaining the upper hand these guys try and level the playing field. IMHO the best thing for consumers at this point would be for HD-DVD to DIE !!!


RE: Here's an idea
By nemrod on 7/6/2007 2:04:08 AM , Rating: 3
"God, the EU is like communism disguised as a protective entity. It wants these hearings on why one studio supports one format over the other? God forbid a company has the right to decide what technology it wants to use. I feel they play the antitrust card every time they see an opportunity to bring down large US and other non-EU based corporations. They're trying to legislate those companies out and legislate in their own domestic."

Sony isn't european (but philips and thomson)... Toshiba isn't european (support by microsoft)... It look like what seems strange for EU, is the choice of bluray (consortium with EU compagnies...)

The only thing that's EU want to know is if the choice of one format was done for technical reasons or just $$$ in the pocket.


Quite pointeless article
By defter on 7/5/2007 4:06:14 PM , Rating: 2
First, Europe != EU. European Comission has jurisdiction only in the EU.

I don't see the point of quoting statements like "HD DVD may have a stronger foothold in Europe.". When there is no need to guess. Currently, Blu-ray is dominating HD DVD sales in Europe. For example: "Specifically, last week's data shows Blu-ray having a weekly sales ratio 3-to-1 over HD DVD, a ratio Blu-ray in the US has only managed once (when Casino Royale was released)."
http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=201

Thus, Blu-ray is relatively more popular in Europe than in US.




By decapitator666 on 7/6/2007 10:32:51 AM , Rating: 3
Says the Blueray fanmag.. ;-)


stupid situation
By Gul Westfale on 7/5/2007 8:32:19 AM , Rating: 1
now we have another format war a la betamax vs VHS, that is bad enough already; but why does the EU commission have to get involved? if the major hollywood studios see that th e market for HD-DVD in europe is way bigger than it is for bluray then they will have to come around to support that format... even sony supported VHS in the end.

i am german myself and i don't necessarily think that we must do everything in the same way as the US or japan, but i think this issue here should be settled by consumers wit their purchasing power and not a bunch of politicians who have no real clue as to what's going on anyway.

on a side note: it used to be that porn had a major influence on the adoption of new formats, but with the internet now so popular ( where you can get movies without having to show your face at the local videostore), that seems to be changing. nonetheless, i wonder how the format allegiance of various adult companies influences sales?




RE: stupid situation
By pekingu on 7/5/2007 8:43:49 AM , Rating: 2
well, problem is that blue ray is not receiving support from hollywood for being the most cost effective solution. As an spanish from the other side of the big hole full of water i understand that the deciding factor has been that the main blu ray supporter, sony, is also a big player in hollywood, and that means that they can offer nice agreements to other movie producers in the industry. So they are influencing directly in the geene pool, and not winning cause the format is the best for users. And that is not the idea behind capitalism, nor the best system, for us, the next format to be chosen with.


By softwiz on 7/5/2007 1:11:18 PM , Rating: 2
At least those that cannot be without "The Prestige" on HD-DVD can import it and not have to worry about region coding getting in the way as there isn't any.




Theoretically speaking
By Gastrian on 7/5/2007 2:25:01 PM , Rating: 1
If BD+ was to be cracked could a Blu-Ray movie that doesn't use the full disc space be placed onto a recordable HD-DVD disc or the other way round without the need for recoding?

If that were the case surely you could buy a Blu-Ray disc and back it up onto a HD-DVD disc and watch it on a HD-DVD player as surely the copyright only extends as far as the content of the disc and not the disc's format.




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