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The Venturer SHD7000 is now $197.88 at Wal-Mart  (Source: Venturer Electronics)
$197 HD DVD player hopes to bring high-definition to Wal-Mart shoppers

One advantage that HD DVD always held over Blu-ray Disc is its price point on hardware. While Toshiba has been essentially the sole supplier of HD DVD players to consumers, other companies have surfaced interested in targeting the entry-level segment of high-def adopters.

In late August, Canadian-based Venturer Electronics announced that it will launch its first Chinese-manufactured HD DVD player, the SHD7000, in time to meet the holiday 2007 sales season. At the time of the Venturer’s announcement, the company expressed that its machine will be priced “to be one of the lowest among entry-level HD DVD players.”

Venturer’s SHD7000 has finally hit the market, appearing first in select stores and online for $197.88. This matches up closely with a report earlier this year, which cited Wal-Mart’s deal to purchase 2 million players produced by Great Wall Corporation in China in a $100 million deal – working out to be $200 per player.

Of course, given the recent sale prices of Toshiba’s entry-level, previous generation HD-A2, the Venturer SHD7000’s $197 price doesn’t seem attractive as it would have months ago. Retailers such as Wal-Mart, Circuit City and Amazon.com in late October sold the Toshiba HD-A2 player for under $200. Wal-Mart soon offered the same player for $98.87 during an in-store special secret sale. Best Buy matched the sale and went the extra mile and offered the newer HD-A3 in place of sold out HD-A2 sales.

The special prices on the Toshiba HD-A2, however, were a product of a sale. Both Wal-Mart and Amazon.com are now pricing the HD-A2 at just under $250, making the Venturer SHD7000 the most affordable unit at the moment.

According to High-Def Digest, the Venturer SHD7000 is a low-cost alternative that “is functionally identical to Toshiba's HA-A3 HD DVD player, offering 1080i video output via HDMI and Dolby TrueHD support.”



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functionally equivalent
By Moishe on 11/30/2007 9:59:19 AM , Rating: 4
If it's truly the same player (functionally) as the HA-A3 then they will probably sell quite a few. The more sold, the more the prices will drop. I think Toshiba's willingness to sell their earlier players for less sort of started a snowball effect. Where they are cutting cost is probably in quality and maybe in the amount of profit they're taking.

Good for hi-def in general.




RE: functionally equivalent
By retrospooty on 11/30/2007 10:06:21 AM , Rating: 2
Cutting cost by cutting quality is not how things operate. In most cases, a single defect costs more than the profit for the entire unit. You have tech support, returned device, shipping to repair center, repair fee, parts fee, shipping back to whatever entity resells it.

Large companies like Toshiba, Sony or any other major manufacturer cant and don't do that, its not cost effective. Some smaller fly by might companies do, but their business model is to make a quick profit and sell out their assets, brand name is not an issue for them,


RE: functionally equivalent
By Moishe on 11/30/2007 10:18:29 AM , Rating: 2
smaller crappier companies like.... great wall?

I'm not insinuating that the player is crap... but I bet there is a corner or two cut somewhere. It may simply be cheaper plastic or a cheaper to manufacture casing. a penny here and there makes a difference.


RE: functionally equivalent
By retrospooty on 11/30/2007 10:36:31 AM , Rating: 2
Oh, no, dont get me wrong, I was responding to Moishe's comment about Toshiba possibly cutting quality to do it cheap. Venturer/Great Wall, I have never heard of. They may or may not be one of "those" kind of companies.

To cut cost, the #1 way major manufacturers use is to negotiate deals with their parts vendors (I will commit to by 100k chips at this cost, and the next 100k chips at that cost etc etc... ) After that they do alot of things, they do try to find cheaper parts, but generally at the exact same spec of quality. A major part of it is to increase quality because in field defects are more expensive than any other part of the business, also it can cost customers if one buys a defective player, they are not likely to buy another from same company.


RE: functionally equivalent
By Moishe on 11/30/2007 11:05:31 AM , Rating: 2
I understand...

quote:
Where they are cutting cost is probably in quality and maybe in the amount of profit they're taking.


by "they" I meant the Venturer company, not Toshiba. Toshiba is a first rate electronics maker.


By therealnickdanger on 11/30/2007 11:13:16 AM , Rating: 2
I doubt that this brand will be any more or less prone to malfunction than name-brand players. There are many generic brands (Insignia and Dynex for starters) that offer nearly identical products function/feature wise to big name brands while also maintaining good service records. Six months from now, we'll be able to judge the Venturer. I will say, though, that selling the Venturer at $197 is pointless if you can get the Toshiba A3 for $199. Some places are still selling it for $169...


RE: functionally equivalent
By aos007 on 11/30/2007 12:43:15 PM , Rating: 2
I see Venturer name every now and then in fliers here in Canada (I think London Drugs sells them). They seem to specialize in low cost stuff (such as portable CD players a few years ago). I have no idea what the quality is though.


RE: functionally equivalent
By techyguy on 11/30/2007 12:03:43 PM , Rating: 2
Companies have been reducing quality for years. I was told in soldering class, in college, that consumer electronics today are lower quality. They only have to pass JEDEC standard 001 for soldering, while many years ago, they were JEDEC standard 002 or 003. Nowadays only hospital equipment has to be JEDEC 003 by law.

My last TV actually emitted a high pitch whine, then immediately started billowing smoke from all it's vents. It was only 5 years old. How do some TV's from the 70's still work, if quality is not decreasing?


RE: functionally equivalent
By techyguy on 11/30/2007 2:00:01 PM , Rating: 2
I was wrong in my previous post. J-STD-001 - J-STD-003, use different soldering methods. But they all have Category 1 through 3, with 3 being the highest quality.

Most consumer electronics today use Category 1, which uses minimum solder coating durability.

I have a quad band radio from the early 70's that has been dropped and knocked over quite a few times. It still gets more FM radio signals than my 2 year old radio.


RE: functionally equivalent
By Oregonian2 on 11/30/2007 2:08:14 PM , Rating: 2
Is your 70's box typical, or are most of those now buried in a landfill somewhere?

Most soldering now is SMT reflow soldering using non-lead RoHS compliant solder (which also has a problem due to higher temperatures needed).

In the 70's most stuff was through-hole parts using lead solder. A VERY different process!

And yes, the current process is both new and has temperature problems. But that's the price for getting the lead (and five other things) out.


RE: functionally equivalent
By hobbes7869 on 12/1/2007 9:13:04 AM , Rating: 2
I say leave those things such as lead, in if it reduces quality by taking it out. I rather dislike my money being spent on items that are of decreased quality because of enviromentalists scaring everyone with what happens when lead sits in a land fill.


RE: functionally equivalent
By superdynamite on 11/30/07, Rating: -1
RE: functionally equivalent
By Master Kenobi (blog) on 11/30/2007 4:14:29 PM , Rating: 2
The HD-A20 was going for ~250 when it finally went out of cycle.

Amazon currently offers the HD-A30 for 304.38.
http://www.amazon.com/Toshiba-HD-A30-1080p-DVD-Pla...

I think you need a reality check. For $299 I can get a FULL HD Player, now sit down and be quiet.


RE: functionally equivalent
By retrospooty on 11/30/2007 5:20:25 PM , Rating: 2
Just so we can avoid more BR delusions...

You can get an HD-A3 for $206 right now...
http://electronics.pricegrabber.com/blu-ray-hd-dvd...

The 1080P toshiba A30 is $299 now
http://electronics.pricegrabber.com/blu-ray-hd-dvd...

Cheapest BR player I found is a Sony for $379
http://electronics.pricegrabber.com/blu-ray-hd-dvd...


RE: functionally equivalent
By retrospooty on 11/30/2007 5:22:27 PM , Rating: 1
oops... I missed one

YOu can still get a 1080P Toshiba HD-A20 for $262
http://electronics.pricegrabber.com/blu-ray-hd-dvd...

All prices listed include shipping.


RE: functionally equivalent
By superdynamite on 12/1/2007 4:06:48 PM , Rating: 2
Sorry guys, Those are used or Refurbished.

Do you guys even read what you send?

Why don't you try eBay. There are a few broken ones on there. LOL

Buy the way, The format war is over.check the #'s. It's the 53rd week in a row. Sorry guys.

Nielsen/VideoScan Numbers ending November 25th (Includes Black Friday)

WE: BD-72% HDD-28% YTD: BD-65% HDD-35% SI: BD-62% HDD-38%


RE: functionally equivalent
By retrospooty on 12/2/2007 12:02:55 PM , Rating: 2
What are you retarded? Read the whole page and follow the links... They are new, the refurbs mentioned on pricegrabber are even cheaper. the prices I listed are for new.

To make it easy for you I will do the direct link to the sites.

http://www.buydig.com/shop/product.aspx?omid=122&u...

https://www.datavis.com/cgi-bin/cart.exe?add=47270...

http://www.circuitcity.com/ccd/productDetail.do?oi...


RE: functionally equivalent
By superdynamite on 12/1/2007 4:24:17 PM , Rating: 2
Master Kenobi,

Take the light saber out of your ear and listen up.

HD-DVD is all but dead. Blu-Ray has Crushed it in the only place that actually counts, at the cash register.

Now, get your whole HDDVD collection together and chuck it out your window.

Did Vader use the Jedi Mind trick on you? How did you get so brainwashed? stop listening to the HDDVD propaganda machine. listen to me instead...

"IT IS OVER!"


RE: functionally equivalent
By Topweasel on 11/30/2007 4:35:11 PM , Rating: 2
Why isn't the PS3 pricing not considered dumping. Toshiba for the next 2 years at least will have a 1080I model. Why? Because of the 32% of TVs that are HDTV's approx 10% or less are capable of 1080P, why make people pay more now for a DVD player that will be sub $100 once they replace their TV years from now?

Second since when is 1080I not full HD? HD is defined as a resolution above 480. As TV Specs go 1080I 720P and 1080P are all considered full HD. The only thing remotely close to not Full HD was D* when they use a resolution not listed above.

Whats really funny are the amount of LCD and Plasma TV's and other fix pixel televisions that don't support any of those resolutions natively.


RE: functionally equivalent
By retrospooty on 11/30/2007 5:16:27 PM , Rating: 1
good point. I was planning to get a $100 A2, (but missed the sale becasue I was in Hawaii that weekend) to go with my 1080i TV, then later when I get my 1080P set maybe 1-2 years away then get a 1080P player, by then the 1080P player will be easily less than $100 too. So my total would be $200 on 2 players, using the older one to put to my other room with the old TV - OR I can do like superdynamite says and pay $400 now . Except that makes zero sense in mine, and the majority of HD TV owners case.


RE: functionally equivalent
By Spuke on 11/30/2007 7:03:06 PM , Rating: 2
I also have a 1080i TV and it really doesn't matter whether or not I bought a 1080p or 1080i player. I got the $100 HD-A2 and it works great. Like you said, when I'm ready for 1080p (or higher), 1080p players will be $100 or lower. Even if Bluray ends up the "winner", it'll still only cost me $200 total (I'm sure it will be much cheaper in 5 years than now).


Another nail in Blu-Ray's coffin
By bigboxes on 11/30/2007 10:20:40 AM , Rating: 2
Yeah, this product will debut at $197, but we all know that if that's the starting price then it will soon be dropping to the $100 range. Not that I'll be buying this cheap garbage, but think how this will apply downward pressure on the price points of the better models and brands. This is good news for us consumers.




RE: Another nail in Blu-Ray's coffin
By EglsFly on 11/30/2007 11:55:37 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Not that I'll be buying this cheap garbage


You kind of countered your own subject heading with this comment! LoL


RE: Another nail in Blu-Ray's coffin
By bigboxes on 11/30/2007 12:45:39 PM , Rating: 2
Heh, you know I was talking about this off-brand player, not the format. HD-DVD is winning cuz it's getting the format to the masses. The disc sales will come later when every Wal-Mart shopper has adopted HD-DVD as their hi-def player of choice. Personally, I have not adopted any hi-def product other than my monitor. I am waiting for this to all pan out and then I'll make an informed decision. Actually, I have expensive tastes, but still want to get the most bang for my buck.


RE: Another nail in Blu-Ray's coffin
By deeznuts on 11/30/2007 1:03:39 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
HD-DVD is winning cuz it's getting the format to the masses.
Yup, black friday sales MUST have improved then with the extra 100K Tosh players in the wild a few weeks ago ...

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_displa...

Blu-Ray outsells HD DVD 72.6% to 27.4%, steadily increasing their lead.
http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=8608

Cheaper players are certainly a factor, but it's not the only factor.


RE: Another nail in Blu-Ray's coffin
By Spuke on 11/30/2007 1:21:54 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Cheaper players are certainly a factor, but it's not the only factor.
It helps when most of the Bluray "players" are included in a game console. :rolleyes:


RE: Another nail in Blu-Ray's coffin
By deeznuts on 11/30/2007 1:25:41 PM , Rating: 2
Yes it does. That's the point.


RE: Another nail in Blu-Ray's coffin
By Spuke on 11/30/2007 1:28:28 PM , Rating: 2
I know. That was my point.


By cubby1223 on 11/30/2007 12:35:45 PM , Rating: 2
Even divx players dropped to a dime a dozen and that didn't stop dvd from steamrolling forward.


Bring on the Knockoffs.
By Mitch101 on 11/30/2007 11:14:49 AM , Rating: 2
Keep em coming. How long until there is a hidden menu or bios flash on one of these to disable HDCP so I can use the component outputs to watch HD content in full detail since I was an early adopter of HD equipment?




RE: Bring on the Knockoffs.
By retrospooty on 11/30/2007 11:54:51 AM , Rating: 2
I thought you could watch it on component video in 1080i... and that to use the HDMI connection, you need an HDCP compliant TV or monitor. Is that not correct?


RE: Bring on the Knockoffs.
By Mitch101 on 11/30/2007 12:32:12 PM , Rating: 2
No all HD movies.

Buddy of mine recently tried to watch an HD movie through the component video source and it went to 480P/960i. Downsampled it on him because of HDCP. He has the Toshiba A2 unit. Dont recall the movie. He doesnt have HDMI or DVI.


RE: Bring on the Knockoffs.
By retrospooty on 11/30/2007 3:22:13 PM , Rating: 2
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

crap. That screws up my upgrade plans. I have an older non hdcp Mitsubushi 1080i set that I was hpoing to se HD-DVD movies on and I was hoping to keep it a few years until 1080p LCD are cheaper.

thanks for the info though.


RE: Bring on the Knockoffs.
By Mitch101 on 11/30/2007 3:46:36 PM , Rating: 2
** Cough ** Green Edition ** Cough **

HDCP compliance for any RGB display
http://www.hdfury.com/
Add a HD(720p)&Full HD(1080p) Digital Input (HDCP/HDMI) to any Analog RGB display !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dAUwAGMtyE


RE: Bring on the Knockoffs.
By retrospooty on 11/30/2007 5:24:57 PM , Rating: 1
LOL - Noted and highlighted, and definitely bookmarked.

Thanks !


new HD-DVD player
By VitalyTheUnknown on 11/30/2007 1:43:00 PM , Rating: 2
Now every delusional tech junkie will call this player pile of crap because it doesn't support 1080p.




RE: new HD-DVD player
By tmouse on 11/30/2007 3:18:03 PM , Rating: 2
Yea, and with HDTV total penetration around 30% and the majority of those units only 720 it will not make much difference to the majority.


RE: new HD-DVD player
By VitalyTheUnknown on 11/30/2007 5:44:37 PM , Rating: 2
The funny thing is, that here in Europe we don't even have HD-DVD players yet. Last time I checked I found only one BR sony player but there wasn't any disk for it. It was just hooked up to SONY LCDs to show what these TVs capable of.
And everyone who passes by, says something of the sort, "wow these sony TVs looks so much better, and it's only 200 euros more". Well, of cause they don't know that it's small blue box screwing them up.
These guys from SONY are not so dumb as they sometimes appear to be.

Feel Free To Correct My Grammar.


wakeup...resleep
By androticus on 11/30/2007 8:59:40 PM , Rating: 2
--wakeup--
Does player support all formats? N
Are all movies available yet on this player's format? N
--go back to sleep--




RE: wakeup...resleep
By kmmatney on 12/1/2007 1:40:09 PM , Rating: 2
Yup - waiting for a dual format player myself as well. I won't be diving in until I can get a dual format player at a reasonable price.


By superdynamite on 12/1/2007 4:35:16 PM , Rating: 2
Nielsen/VideoScan Numbers ending November 25th ( Includes Black Friday)

http://www.nxtbook.com/nxtbooks/ques...0207/index....

WE: BD-72% HDD-28% YTD: BD-65% HDD-35% SI: BD-62% HDD-38%

The fomat war is officially Over. We'd like to thank everyone for coming. You can throw your HDDVD's in the bin by the door. Drive safely, and have a nice day.




By retrospooty on 12/2/2007 12:16:09 PM , Rating: 2
You really are a piece of work... Considering 98% of the market has neither HD-DVD or Blue ray you are calling it over off 2% total BR and HD-DVD.

The other 98% of the market wont adopt until its cheap and they will adopt the cheapest option, becasue they both play the same movies at the same quality.

I agree with you BR is technically superior, but you have to be realistic and more importantly so does Sony. If they want to win, they will have to match prices.


Price will drop
By mdogs444 on 11/30/2007 10:00:32 AM , Rating: 2
According to other articles I've read, is that the $197 price is the typical price to start off in the market on opening week or so. They are predicting the price to drop to about $149 over the holiday shopping season. By no means is this the sub $100 player many were hoping for, but $149 is good start, especially with fluctuations of the HD-A3 from anywhere in the range of $160-$300.

I also wonder if Wal-Mart will decide to run some type of movie promotion with this new player - is it eligible for the 5 free dvd movies? Will they have any other incentives or promotions?




sucess?
By intogamer on 11/30/2007 10:04:09 AM , Rating: 2
Canada and Chinese manufacturing?

Toshiba's are able to hit $100. If you're able to give a discount at that price, count on an even lower one. Threshold is at $100. I don't see this brand is going to be too successful.

When discounts get very low. The players will have a chance of getting more crappy. Venture has a high chance with a lot of factors including limited resources. Can you say Coby/Apex dvd players?




By tmouse on 11/30/2007 3:21:12 PM , Rating: 2
Sir Howard you will have to stop posting now your late for your dinner engagement.


Math?
By DCstewieG on 11/30/2007 10:28:42 AM , Rating: 1
How does a $100 million dollar deal for 2 million players work out to $200 per player? Wal*Mart wasn't built on 75% margins.




Blu-Ray/HD-DVD vs. VHS/Betamax
By superdynamite on 11/30/07, Rating: -1
RE: Blu-Ray/HD-DVD vs. VHS/Betamax
By Evilkoala13 on 11/30/2007 3:10:41 PM , Rating: 2
Ok, wow.

First i would love to know where you got your market share %... because the actual numbers for players are not very accurate. If you're using disc sales as market share then it's closer to 66% / 33%.

Also, your exclusive studio support is blatantly biased at best and utterly retarded at worst.

By your logic HD DVD has exclusive studio support from:
Paramount, Paraount Classics, Dreamworks, Dreamworks Animation, Warner, Nickelodeon Movies, Spyglass Entertainment, Universal, etc.

In reality:

Blu ray has Sony, Disney, Fox, MGM
HD DVD has Paramount, Universal, Weinstein and some Warner movies

As for hardware manufacturers:

HD DVD has hardware from RCA, Toshiba, Venturer and Onkyo. Computers are made from Toshiba, HP, Acer and one or two other manufacturers.

Please check some facts before you vomit this stuff on the forum.


By superdynamite on 12/1/2007 4:16:07 PM , Rating: 2
Evilkoala13 is a dunce. He didn't even read what I wrote before opening his piehole and spewing out moronic statement after moronic statement.

Weinstein is a Blu-Ray EXCLUSIVE??? Warner is a Blu-Ray Exclusive???

HP is an HDDVD Exclusive Manufacturer???

Either you didn't read what I wrote or you're a blithering idiot. Probably both. Read it again Dopey. Actually, don't bother. The Format War is over. Blu-Ray won.


RE: Blu-Ray/HD-DVD vs. VHS/Betamax
By AnotherGuy on 12/1/2007 1:13:02 PM , Rating: 1
hey Superdynamite.... r u naturally retarded or u just trying to sound like one... ?

U have posted same nonsense like 3 times after 10 other plp correcting u each time.


RE: Blu-Ray/HD-DVD vs. VHS/Betamax
By superdynamite on 12/1/2007 4:00:42 PM , Rating: 2
I understand your support of HDDVD. If you don't support HDDVD, it would be like you wasted your money. Sorry guys, time to face the facts. The format war is over. HDDVD is getting crushed in sales. Transformers didn't turn out to be the savior everyone thought it would be. The $99 junk NON-Full HD HDDVD player didn't work out too well either. No matter how you try to twist the truth, The fact is in the sales. You can't twist those. I'm very sorry to say, IT'S OVER! DEAL WITH IT!

Nielsen/VideoScan Numbers ending November 25th (Includes Black Friday)

WE: BD-72% HDD-28% YTD: BD-65% HDD-35% SI: BD-62% HDD-38%


RE: Blu-Ray/HD-DVD vs. VHS/Betamax
By Scapp70 on 12/1/2007 4:21:08 PM , Rating: 2
I see that the HD-DVD fanboys are defending 1080i above (as they should, because they were probably duped into buying one of these cheap players).
Tell me this, if 1080i and 1080p are really the same, then why is there a $200 price difference in the machines?

Come on you guys, facts are facts.

Blu-Ray wins.


HD-DVD under $399 NOT HD. Not 1080p
By superdynamite on 11/30/07, Rating: -1
RE: HD-DVD under $399 NOT HD. Not 1080p
By Spuke on 11/30/2007 1:43:08 PM , Rating: 2
Dude, no one is being fooled here. What's your point?


RE: HD-DVD under $399 NOT HD. Not 1080p
By superdynamite on 11/30/07, Rating: 0
By Spuke on 11/30/2007 3:53:24 PM , Rating: 2
I'm not talking about "everyone", I'm talking about here. We, collectively, know what the HD resolutions are. BTW, there's no such thing as "Full HD", there's just HD. And HD resolutions start at 720p, include 1080i, and currently stop at 1080p. There will be higher resolutions later.


By Mitch101 on 11/30/2007 3:55:56 PM , Rating: 2
1080i = 1080 true lines of resolution
1080p = 1080 true lines of resolution

The only difference is 1080P is drawn in one pass and 1080i is drawn in 2 passes. Both are still 1080 lines of video.


RE: HD-DVD under $399 NOT HD. Not 1080p
By ZipSpeed on 11/30/2007 3:58:56 PM , Rating: 2
And you obviously don't know that if a 1080p TV deinterlaces the 1080i signal properly (which most TVs can do properly), there is absolutely NO DIFFERENCE between 1080i and 1080p picture quality. The only reason to splurge on the higher end models is if you want 1080p/24, analog out audio or better scalers for DVD upconverting (which is subjective to begin with). 1080p does have its uses but at this point, it's mostly marketing.


RE: HD-DVD under $399 NOT HD. Not 1080p
By bplewis24 on 11/30/2007 5:19:37 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
And you obviously don't know that if a 1080p TV deinterlaces the 1080i signal properly (which most TVs can do properly),


Most TVs can NOT do this properly. I know it's hard for Dailytech members, but please stop spreading FUD and lies.

Brandon


RE: HD-DVD under $399 NOT HD. Not 1080p
By ZipSpeed on 11/30/2007 6:05:16 PM , Rating: 2
Let me rephrase, most TVs that were produced within the last 1.5 years can properly deinterlace a 1080i signal. A lot of manufacturers took site into an article Home Theater did back in the fall of 2006 where half of the 61 TVs failed the deinterlace test. Many of the larger name brand manufacturers since then have corrected the issue.


By bplewis24 on 11/30/2007 7:37:56 PM , Rating: 2
That is still not an accurate depiction of the current market, though. For illustration, lets look at some of the top 10 TVs as rated by CNet.com (all 2007 models):

Panasonic 42PZ700u (currently #2 rated 1080p plasma TV): Fail
http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/panasonic-t...

Samsung T4681f (currently #1 rated (tied) 1080p LCD): Fail
http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/samsung-ln-...

Sony 46XBR4 (currently #1 rated (tied) 1080p LCD): Fail
http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/sony-kdl-46...

Mitsubishi LT46144 (top 10 1080p LCDs): Fail
http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/mitsubishi-...

Sony 55A3000 (currently #1 rated rear projection 1080p TV): Fail
http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/sony-kdl-46...

Mitsubishi WD 65734 (currently #3 rated rear projection 1080p TV): Fail http://reviews.cnet.com/projection-tvs/mitsubishi-...

JVC HD 58S998 (currently #4 rated rear projection 1080p TV): Fail
http://reviews.cnet.com/projection-tvs/jvc-hd-58s9...

Also note that the Toshiba LX177 and Samsung 71 got a pass (71 initially didn’t) but evinced slight strobing which is supposed to be a fail.

Also, some of the top models from last year (sammy 65 & 61) also failed the deinterlacing test. I tried to include as many brands above as I could to show it’s not limited to one company or one type of technology. Among those that passed with flying colors are the sharp d64u and the pioneer 5080 pdp. The sharp has major issues of it's own and the pioneer is obviously out of most people’s price range, though.

And to give an indication of how prevalent this is, look at this excerpt from the 420z700u review:
quote:
In our 1080i de-interlacing test, courtesy of the HQV disc on HD DVD and Blu-ray, the Panasonic TH-42PZ700U performed about the same as most other displays we've tested


And these are some of the most expensive and higher quality TVs on the market. People need to understand this, because a lot of people are subscribing to this theory that any quality set does proper deinterlacing and are making purchasing decisions based upon it. When people's hard-earned money is at stake they deserve to be properly informed.

Brandon


RE: HD-DVD under $399 NOT HD. Not 1080p
By retrospooty on 11/30/2007 6:39:59 PM , Rating: 2
I posted this above, but it seems thre is ignorance down below as well...

You can get an HD-A3 for $206 right now...
http://electronics.pricegrabber.com/blu-ray-hd-dvd...

You can still get a 1080P Toshiba HD-A20 for $262
http://electronics.pricegrabber.com/blu-ray-hd-dvd...

The 1080P toshiba A30 is $299 now
http://electronics.pricegrabber.com/blu-ray-hd-dvd...

Cheapest BR player I found is a Sony for $379
http://electronics.pricegrabber.com/blu-ray-hd-dvd...


By retrospooty on 11/30/2007 6:41:16 PM , Rating: 2
great... the links expired, but if you search for each product you will see the prices I mention, prices include shipping.


RE: HD-DVD under $399 NOT HD. Not 1080p
By superdynamite on 12/1/2007 4:40:48 PM , Rating: 2
Hey there's a used HD-DVD player on eBay for $29.99.

I guess you're right! They ARE cheaper. LOL

PS. You posted Used & Refurbished HDDVD players. Nice try dopey. But... uh... They don't count.

$399 is the cheapest NEW hddvd player.


By retrospooty on 12/2/2007 12:04:20 PM , Rating: 2
posted again, as above. These prices are for new. sorry to keep unskewing your skewed arguments, but your full of crap.

To make it easy for you I will do the direct link to the sites.

http://www.buydig.com/shop/product.aspx?omid=122&u...

https://www.datavis.com/cgi-bin/cart.exe?add=47270...

http://www.circuitcity.com/ccd/productDetail.do?oi...


The Venturer SHD7000 is not Full HD!
By superdynamite on 11/30/07, Rating: -1
RE: The Venturer SHD7000 is not Full HD!
By Spuke on 11/30/2007 1:41:45 PM , Rating: 2
I don't understand your post. If you go to this website: http://tinyurl.com/yr6vd7 and scroll down to the resolution it says 1080i. Where's the propaganda here? Who's being fooled into thinking that this machine outputs 1080p?

There's no landslide. Only 40% of PS3 owners know that their players can be used to play Bluray movies. And 50% of the one's that know have actually played a movie on it.

I won't even mention either formats insignificance when compared to DVD.


RE: The Venturer SHD7000 is not Full HD!
By superdynamite on 11/30/07, Rating: -1
By JarrettV on 11/30/2007 3:19:49 PM , Rating: 3
@syperdynamite: you don't know what you are talking about...

The player's output the original signal which is 1080i at 29.97 fps. This signal contains a telecined version of the original 1080p24 video. No information is lost when sent to your "FullHD" tv since most all tvs know how to do a proper inverse telecine to get 1080p at 23.976 fps.


By Master Kenobi (blog) on 11/30/2007 4:18:43 PM , Rating: 2
Alright, I will bite troll.

HD-A30 for 304.38. Hmmmm, thats almost $100 less than the price you stated.... Maybe thats the price of the cheapest BD Player?
http://www.amazon.com/Toshiba-HD-A30-1080p-DVD-Pla...

Now go back under your bridge troll.


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