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Closeup of Solid State Fan  (Source: Dan Schlitz and Vishal Singhal, Thorrn Micro Technologies)

Chart Showing solid Stat Fan vs. Traditional Fans  (Source: Thorrn Micro Technologies)
Researcher says the solid-state fan is the biggest improvement in cooling since the heat pipe

Many computer enthusiasts understand that how fast a processor runs is in part dependent on how well the chip can be cooled. This is why record-setting benchmark runs are typically made with processors cooled by exotic means.

Cooling is just as important for mobile systems like notebook computers and other portable electronics. The size of the fan required for the system can affect how small devices can be built. A pair of engineers from Thorrn Micro Technologies Inc, Dan Schlitz and Vishal Singhal, have developed a new solid-state fan that works similarly to household air purifiers.

The resulting fan is the most powerful and energy efficient fan of its size and moves more air than fans that are 35 times its size. The RSD5 solid-state fan is described by Singhal as, “One of the most significant advancements in electronics cooling since heat pipes. It could change the cooling paradigm for mobile electronics.”

The device operates thanks to a phenomenon called corona wind. This corona wind is created by placing a series of live wires within uncharged conducting plates contoured into half cylinders, partially enveloping the wires. The live wires generate micro-scale plasma that conducts electricity.

The corona wind is created within the intense electrical field that results from the configuration of the wires and the conducting plates. The researchers say they were able to control the micro-scale discharge to produce maximum airflow without risk of arcing or sparks which could prove catastrophic to electronic devices [Video].

Schlitz says, “The technology has the power to cool a 25-watt chip with a device smaller than 1 cubic-cm and can someday be integrated into silicon to make self-cooling chips.”

MSI has also been working on more efficient ways to cool electronic components as well. DailyTech reported in February that MSI had announced a new ECOlution chipset cooler that operates on the Stirling Engine Theory.

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By Polynikes on 3/19/2008 4:24:07 PM , Rating: 5
That's pretty frickin' cool.

RE: Wow
By FITCamaro on 3/19/2008 4:27:39 PM , Rating: 5
It sounds pretty freaking cool. Lets see how it works now. And how much it costs.

RE: Wow
By Paratus on 3/19/2008 4:33:11 PM , Rating: 5
Is that Ozone I smell?

RE: Wow
By Inkjammer on 3/19/2008 4:51:38 PM , Rating: 5
No, just a twitch gamer's $5,500 Dell XPS M1730 catching fire because the fanless cooler melted like an icecube and fused to the motherboard.

RE: Wow
By othercents on 3/19/08, Rating: -1
RE: Wow
By sprockkets on 3/19/2008 6:14:18 PM , Rating: 2
Yes, a valid question. This device must produce it, and perhaps in high quantities too. Those purifiers from Sharper Image put out nasty quantities of ozone.

RE: Wow
By noirsoft on 3/19/2008 6:52:19 PM , Rating: 1
My laptop crashes hard (corrupted video, lockups, etc) if I have it in a smallish room with an "ionic" air purifier going. Within 5 minutes if it's sitting only a few feet from the purifier.

I would hope that the researchers thought of how to get the charged air out of the system harmlessly when they invented this new cooler, but if not it seems potentially useless.

RE: Wow
By BladeVenom on 3/19/2008 5:32:11 PM , Rating: 5
I'm sure it works great in a clean room. What about in an average house with dust and pet hair?

RE: Wow
By CascadingDarkness on 3/24/2008 1:05:57 PM , Rating: 2
Take note if researchers involved start buying up anti-static air company stock.

Can see it now "WARNING: Failure to clean fan daily can lead to fusing of internal PC components"

RE: Wow
By walk2k on 3/19/2008 5:00:28 PM , Rating: 1
sounds like it uses a crapload of electricity (arcing??

not exactly what you want in a desktop - completely out of the question in a portable.

RE: Wow
By Cogman on 3/19/2008 5:40:28 PM , Rating: 5
I don't believe so, if they are to be believed, "The resulting fan is the most powerful and energy efficient fan of its size and moves more air than fans that are 35 times its size."

Humm, now that I'm reading that, that could mean that it has a huge power requirement (even though it uses power more efficiently). I guess this all depends on scalability, if these things can become sufficiently small without sacrificing air movement.

The other question we should be asking is, How do these things handle cat hair, dust, and vomit?

RE: Wow
By Sulphademus on 3/20/2008 8:20:25 AM , Rating: 5
You cant dust for vomit.

And why are you puking on your laptop anyways?
Aim for the trashcan!

RE: Wow
By TAllenSr on 3/28/2008 10:04:56 AM , Rating: 2
In fact, it was someone else's vomit, but they don't know exactly whose vomit it was. They, they don't have the technology at Scotland Yard to... you know, find out for sure or anything.

RE: Wow
By AstroCreep on 3/19/2008 6:27:42 PM , Rating: 2 that a pun I detect? :p

RE: Wow
By captchaos2 on 3/19/2008 10:39:07 PM , Rating: 3
How much of a bump can it take before you get an electric arc and a fried chip?

RE: Wow
By nyarrgh on 4/9/2008 5:27:54 PM , Rating: 2
well, if it spits out enough ozone, you can use it in conjunction with freon for cooling and it should all balance out...

Sorry... couldn't resist.

What about dust buildup?
By gochichi on 3/19/2008 5:57:34 PM , Rating: 3
Very cool indeed, but what about dust buildup on those tiny holes?

You could design the device so that it was easy to get to this fan and give it a cleaning though.

Very interesting, I wonder if it only works for tiny fans like the one in the picture or if it could work a full sized fan.

RE: What about dust buildup?
By P4blo on 3/20/2008 7:49:42 AM , Rating: 4
I'm thinking that the way these solid state fans work would actually reduce or maybe even remove the dust buildup. I'm not a scientist but here's why I think this.

The primary reason that dust manages to build up on conventional fans and heatsinks in computers is because there is a very thin layer of air right on the sirface of said heatsink or (to a lesser extent) fan, that is barely moving or stationary. It takes fairly stationary air to allow dust to settle and stay still. Sure the air just above this sirface may be blowing at some speed but should the dust cross into this layer of slow moving air it will still settle, regardless.

Now if you take this solid state technology, it's whole reason for being and it's cooling mission in life is to ensure that there is no small layer of stationary air on the coolers sirface. This is how it achieves such efficient results over standard cooling.

Surely if the sirface of the cooler is constantly in such fast moving air, dust cant settle?

I think it will actually prove simpler to keep these things dust free. Most of the dust will just pass through instead of settling.

RE: What about dust buildup?
By P4blo on 3/20/2008 7:56:12 AM , Rating: 2
Doh, that should read 'surface' of course.

RE: What about dust buildup?
By ChronoReverse on 3/20/2008 11:13:04 AM , Rating: 3
I dunno, from my experience dust tends to be sticky and can get on even moving parts in large quantities.

RE: What about dust buildup?
By kgwagner on 3/21/2008 8:27:56 AM , Rating: 1
I think dust buildup is going to be a serious problem. After all, this is the exact tech they use to make the dust filters everybody's talking about. The particles get charged moving past one electrode, and stick to the opposite part. So, while a desktop will be a pain in the shorts to clean since it'll have to be done so often, what about laptops that take a jeweler's tool set along with the dexterity of a surgeon and the patience of a saint to disassemble, rework, and reassemble? It would probably only be a matter of days before such a cooler would not be a cooler any longer.

RE: What about dust buildup?
By alp689 on 3/24/2008 10:28:19 AM , Rating: 2
If it's anything like the ionic breeze air purifier I had, dust buildup will indeed be a massive problem.

I seem to recall that purifier did nothing more than electrically charge dust so it stuck to my bedroom walls, I can't imagine this thing would be much different

Pressure - Velocity graph...
By ninjit on 3/19/2008 4:35:35 PM , Rating: 2
Can someone with better fluid-dynamics knowledge explain that graph to me?

I'm not quite sure how Pressure comes into play - I would have though rate of heat transfer would be a function of volume of air moved /s, and hence directly related to air velocity for a given cross-sectional area.

RE: Pressure - Velocity graph...
By MatthiasF on 3/19/2008 4:58:08 PM , Rating: 4
The first thing that threw me off was the fact there are three variables being used on the chart, not only two as assumed by the two axis.

The area of each fan (25x25x10 or 15x15x2) is being multiplied by the pressure at each velocity to create the line which is the mass flow rate.

From flow rate, you can take ambient temperature, heat produced, etc. to calculate out how well it can cool.

Seeing how much electricity is used at different flow rates would be a nice comparison of efficiency between the corona wind and mechanical fans. I'm pretty sure the corona wind scenario will be a lot less efficient.

RE: Pressure - Velocity graph...
By vgermax on 3/19/2008 5:11:16 PM , Rating: 5
The nominal flowrate is typically listed with zero back pressure. As greater back pressure is applied, the fan will have correspondingly lower flowrates. Simply put the fan blows the most air when there's no blockage, the greater the blockage the lesser the flow. Pressure is a measure of how much force/area is required to push through/around the blockage.

RE: Pressure - Velocity graph...
By jibril on 3/26/2008 5:37:22 PM , Rating: 2
I teach Fluid Mechanics and also Transport Phenomena (heat and mass transfer) at a major university. Hopefully I can help ;) I'll try to explain in very lightly worded terms.

If you want the gist, read the next two paragraphs only, skip the rest of my ramblings...

point to graph: higher velocity means better cooling. Don't read any more into it than that. This graph is a energy curve associated with any energy-to-flow machinery (fan, pump, etc...) it in laymens terms says "for a given fan (lets pick the red dotted line) to supply a certain flowrate of air(lets pick 1 m/s on the x-axis) the fan will give you a certain pressure reading (graph shows about 13 Pascals pressure)if you put a gauge on the outlet."

I saw someone mention "back pressure" and he is correct. Imagine this being a pump pumping fluid through a pipe, and you had a valve on the outlet. As you start to close off the valve (lower the flow of fluid... trace your finger left on the graph along one of the fan lines) the pressure inbetween the pump and the valve will go up as you build up back pressure. Reversing this, is opening the valve to it's fullest, you let off pressure. Eventually you reach the maximum theoretical limit of zero "back pressure" meaning that the air is flowing so fast that the molecules don't even press on the spring in a gaugh (zero pressure) and this is the maximum flowrate you will get. Pressure drop causes a flow. But at zero pressure, there is no more room for you to essentially lower the pressure anymore, to increase the pressure drop so a maximum theoretical flow will be obtained. The mechanical system integrity determines thhe parameters on the graph, by being designed to minimize "bad" aspects of energy conversion, i.e. friction, or entropy.

Summary, this graph emphasizes that the solid state fan is worse at lower flowrates than conventional fans (at a given pressure it produces less flow) but as science kicks in, the phenomena they are exploiting overtakes where conventional fans top off and becomes more effective, producing higher flows. The lines cross at around 1 m/s and 15 Pa. Now I ran some quick calcs. This graph ONLY shows
a 40mm fan as the maximum testing case. We all use cooling means better than this for our processors, and cases for sure. The 80mm tricool fan pushes 32.5 cfm of air at max voltage (doing the math this is 2.39 m/s) putting this on the graph as being comparable to the power of this solid state fan. However, the operating rate of mechanical fans is never really on the highest flow end of the curve, rather the best efficiency point (BEP) which gives the best energy-to-flow operating point (which is somewhere in the middle)

what i'd like to see really is the efficiency curve that's usually on graphs like this. Sure you may push more air, but at what cost? It could take more electricity to fuel the solid state fan than a conventional fan to push the same air. This company however, to me, and according to this graph is pushing to prove that it's better on a SIZE OF THE FAN basis. Which in that case, yes, is very true. This thing pushes the same velocity of air as an 80mm case fan at it's max theoretical flowrate, and is the size of a quarter.

Problems I see with this:
1) Noise. That much velocity with a smaller enclosure means NOISE. Test... blow air through a milkshake straw, then a coffee straw with the same force. You don't want to have to hear your girlfriend on the cell phone over that whoosh, then again, you might want to drown her out if she's being naggy ;)

2) Ozone. Electric fields causes ozone (O3) to form from radicalization of O2 in the air. It smells bad, like a nasty burnt smell, and is bad for you...

3) BEP. The best efficiency point is not mentioned here, therefore you have no idea where they plan to operate this thing to optimize it's energy utilization. Sure it can pump out 2.5 m/s of air, and be the size of a Ritz cracker, but in a laptop, and at poor efficiency, could drain your battery like there's no tomorrow. My guess is that anything electrical is more efficienty relatively than anything mechanical, because mechanical friction (like in a rotating fan) is always a big energy eater. But we shall see...

4) At hotter temperatures, air cooling still won't cut it for your high end computational needs. You don't want all that noise, ozone, and well, convective heat transfer coefficients of air still can't compete with the amazing conductive power as well as SILENCE provided by other methods, like TEC's, or copper blocks in liquid cooling systems. (testing this) Take anything that's hot, like a frying pan. Let it sit under a high powered desk fan to cool. Yea, sure that cools it fast. But also, you could just throw that bad boy into a sink filled with water. Which do you think cools the pan faster? ;)

The applications for this is not going to be cooling your 32-core Intel QX 66Million in 2015, but in my opinion, it's better than having NO FAN at all in something like a cell phone as long as you operate at lower flow rates (no noise, lower ozone, as well as keeping things small). I hated when my old razr would literally burn my face. But it's not a trade off to save my skin, if I get cancer from Ozone poisoning.

To understand flow and pressure further, there is the a relationship, thanks to Newton. look up "newtown's second law" "momentum conservation" or a simplified frictionless version the "bernoullis equation" or search "pump curves" on the net.

anyway... hope that helps

By Acanthus on 3/19/2008 5:37:30 PM , Rating: 3
Wouldnt this produce tremendous amounts of O3? (ozone)

RE: Poison?
By Spyvie on 3/19/2008 8:22:56 PM , Rating: 4
My posts about ozone from electric motors and such are generally ignored around here. But as a former building engineer I can say that closets or equipment rooms with constantly running electric motors and poor ventilation are nasty, the ozone burns your eyes and nose as soon as you open the door. I can't say how much ozone this new SSF tech will produce but I'm assuming it will not be trivial.

It is becoming increasingly apparent to me that ozone pollution is going to be a serious concern in the future.

RE: Poison?
By Schrag4 on 3/20/2008 9:28:40 AM , Rating: 2
I'm going to go out on a limb and say that this would probably produce similar amounts of ozone when comparing to the 'Ionic Breeze' (or similar) air purifiers. It may be a problem for businesses with lots of PCs, but for those of you with just 2 or 3 computers running in your house, this shouldn't be any different than running 2 or 3 of those air purifiers in different rooms.

Now LAN parties are a different story...

By DASQ on 3/19/2008 4:19:08 PM , Rating: 2
The last line should read "Shits all over the recent development from MSI."

RE: Well...
By TimberJon on 3/19/2008 4:23:34 PM , Rating: 2
Niiice. A human with a paper plate shits all over MSI's silly fan.

Im very interested in seeing some results from the standard benchtop testers. Show me how well it cools.

RE: Well...
By Alexvrb on 3/19/2008 8:40:07 PM , Rating: 1
I can't believe the article uses the Stirling concept as an example of "more efficient cooling". What a joke. The stirling powered cooling concept was a monstrosity that probably couldn't spin the fan faster than 100rpm unless the chip got up to 100 Celcius with an ambient temp of 20C.

If "more efficient" means "more expensive and doesn't cool worth jack", then yes, the Stirling powered concept is super, duper efficient.

RE: Well...
By freeagle on 3/20/2008 10:36:25 AM , Rating: 1
What a joke

and with the look of a toilet - definetly

By Masterrer on 3/19/2008 4:45:11 PM , Rating: 4
After reading the first few sentences I remembered a Mythbusters episode where they tested variouse anti gravity devices and actually built a device (Three cooper strings + crazy voltage) that can float using the corona wind effect.

After that I thought: why didn't someone use this technology in pc's before?
And after that I thought: what would acoustic characteristics of this device be like?
Oh and after that: this is really not news worthy, but that's usually one of the first thoughts that comes to mind reading DT :]

RE: Mythbusters
By murphyslabrat on 3/23/2008 4:09:06 PM , Rating: 2
what would acoustic characteristics of this device be like?

I have the exact same question!

more info:
By NickF001 on 3/19/2008 4:49:45 PM , Rating: 2

"nearly silent"

"eliminating certain reliability issues"

"can effectively cool even the most advanced and demanding processor"

btw I read about this over a year ago on /.

RE: more info:
By CyborgTMT on 3/19/2008 4:57:11 PM , Rating: 2
Jan '07 to be exact

Wonder how they are coming along with their version?

star trek
By omnicronx on 3/19/2008 7:26:09 PM , Rating: 2
The device operates thanks to a phenomenon called corona wind. This corona wind is created by placing a series of live wires within uncharged conducting plates contoured into half cylinders, partially enveloping the wires. The live wires generate micro-scale plasma that conducts electricity.
Engage Warp 9!

Sounds likes something right out of startrek, if this is the real deal, the possibilities could be endless.

RE: star trek
By MozeeToby on 3/20/2008 4:14:17 PM , Rating: 2
"Oh no! The CPU is overheating!"
"Gordi, quick! Reverse the Polarity!"
"You're right Captain, reversing the polarity will [insert psuedo-scientific gobble-dee-gook]... and cool the chip!"

By Captain Orgazmo on 3/19/2008 11:19:49 PM , Rating: 2
I can see a big problemo with this: dust. Most peoples houses are pretty dusty, and most computer cases don't have dust filters. I occasionally fix computers for people, and a common problem is dust buildup inside the case causing overheating problems. I've seen dust and animal hair caking every component in some computers nearly a centimeter thick. So combine high voltage and the dust-collecting filter-like structure of this solid state fan, and zap zap.

RE: Zap!
By Dribble on 3/20/2008 7:10:49 AM , Rating: 2
I agree. Most current laptops start to overheat after you had them a year or two and they get all clogged up with dust. It's a major problem (particularly as many laptop designs make it very hard to clean the heatsinks).

This design is not only more prone to dust (with it's small holes) but I wouldn't be surprised if the "wrong" dust caused arcing and took out your whole machine.

By aBott on 3/19/2008 4:57:18 PM , Rating: 3
Since this has clear applications in mobile computing, I wonder how much power it consumes in comparison to traditional fans moving the same amount of air.

High Velocity Fans
By MrTeal on 3/19/2008 4:36:43 PM , Rating: 2
Interesting idea, but from the graph that's posted, the performance benefits of this solid state fan are at the high velocity end of the scale. Generally, I find it preferable to keep fan velocity down to stop my computer from sounding like a Hoover.

The acoustics of this should be interesting. At similar air velocity it will probably be quieter than a comparable mechanical fan, but you're still going to get noise from the flow of the air through the heatsink.

By DeepBlue1975 on 3/19/2008 6:56:55 PM , Rating: 2
But even though I'm a huge fan of the cooling technology and news like this leave me frozen, I'd rather wait for a nanotube version.

They say the nanotube version will come with a 100x magnifying lens and will allow you to see the device itself plus the nanoart they will draw with the nanotubes, which of course will come in different shades of non-visible light for the modding corwd out there.

By freak4brandy on 3/19/2008 9:06:12 PM , Rating: 2
Watch the video it is pretty impressive!

Re: Useless
By Whiznot on 3/20/2008 2:59:38 AM , Rating: 2
Who'd a thunk they'd invent computers that fart?

By SilthDraeth on 3/20/2008 10:46:26 AM , Rating: 2
Researchers have demonstrated a new technology using tiny "ionic wind engines" that might dramatically improve computer chip cooling, possibly addressing a looming threat to future advances in computers and electronics.

Sounds very similar on the surface... this was developed by Purdue. I wonder what the real difference is.

Lame joke du jour
By Cullinaire on 3/21/2008 11:33:07 AM , Rating: 2
A seldom seen side benefit of this technology: it zaps bugs.

By hunnnnnn on 3/23/2008 4:53:12 PM , Rating: 2
read all of your comments think .. its just sumting new lets try it out hehehe

Up the Volts!
By MrPoletski on 3/23/2008 11:34:29 PM , Rating: 2

Does this mean in 2 years time we'll all be overclocking our CPU coolers?

By ChronoReverse on 3/19/08, Rating: -1
RE: Useless
By kextyn on 3/19/2008 4:56:51 PM , Rating: 2
How do you figure this "fan" is noisy? It's solid state, no moving parts. How can it be noisier than a normal fan?

RE: Useless
By jlips6 on 3/19/2008 5:02:55 PM , Rating: 2
the airflow alone makes sound. If it moves as much air as it says it does, that could make it pretty noisy.

RE: Useless
By vgermax on 3/19/2008 5:16:23 PM , Rating: 3
Saying the fan isn't the bottleneck is a bit too much of a blanket statement. Watching the video the target is for portable/handheld devices. In those instances the physical size of a fan is constraint. If comparable cooling to a 80x80 fan (for instance) can be provided with a device the size of a typical chip package, that could potentially open up a lot of options for designers.

RE: Useless
By mooncancook on 3/19/2008 5:28:45 PM , Rating: 2
I supposed one can control the air flow?

RE: Useless
By Cogman on 3/19/2008 5:43:27 PM , Rating: 1
Why did he get rated down? The comment is valid, airflow makes noise and if you have a lot of air flow over a tiny surface then you will have a fair amount of noise. That being said, this fan should be VERY easy to control, the only noise we should hear from it is during really intense operation.

RE: Useless
By masher2 on 3/19/2008 6:13:28 PM , Rating: 5
Airflow in itself doesn't make noise; turbulent airflow does. The blades of a normal fan create many turbulent vortexes, causing noise.

In theory, this solid-state fan could be considerably quieter than a conventional one. In practice, though, I have no idea of its actual noise level.

RE: Useless
By vgermax on 3/19/2008 6:44:46 PM , Rating: 3
Turbulent flow is a critical requirement for efficient heat transfer. It is, in part, why a high flowrate is desirable. Turbulent flow is achieved sooner, all things being equal, with a higher flowrate. At this point, I'd assume the reduction in noise of this design would come from better directionality of the flow, elimination of the mechanical components but not from the reduction of turbulence which would be counter to effecting better heat transfer.

RE: Useless
By ChronoReverse on 3/19/2008 6:51:33 PM , Rating: 3
Hmm, that's something I didn't think about. Laminar air flow over cooling fins probably wouldn't carry off as much heat would it?

RE: Useless
By masher2 on 3/19/2008 7:39:58 PM , Rating: 2
> "Turbulent flow is a critical requirement for efficient heat transfer."

Certainly, but you want that turbulence over what's being cooled, not what's driving the airflow. Turbulence in a fan simply creates noise and reduces overall flow rate.

RE: Useless
By daInvincibleGama on 3/19/2008 9:17:48 PM , Rating: 2
That is true, but when the cooling surface is on/close to the solid-state "fan", turbulence created by said "fan" would almost directly lead to better cooling. The air must be turbulent before striking the target cooled surface to achieve the maximum collisions possible.

RE: Useless
By masher2 on 3/20/2008 5:22:06 AM , Rating: 2
> "but when the cooling surface is on/close to the solid-state "fan", turbulence created by said "fan" would almost directly lead to better cooling"

A good point, but I'm sure they can create turbulent flow if it's desired, simply by the geometry of the device itself.

RE: Useless
By vgermax on 3/20/2008 12:32:34 AM , Rating: 2

RE: Useless
By Samus on 3/20/2008 3:34:05 AM , Rating: 3
Useless? Why do you assume the only practical application is use in a PC environment?

Fan's still cool thousands of things you use everyday, from air conditioner condensors to HVAC systems in your home to the car you drive daily. And if you don't drive and take the bus or train, those need fans too.

These would make great radiator fans for automotive use where noise isn't an issue, but reliability, space, electricity and efficiency are.

RE: Useless
By ChronoReverse on 3/20/2008 11:11:53 AM , Rating: 2
Ionic wind has been around for a long time. It's not like it's a new concept.

Even so, you have get around the new issues they bring up such as the ozone it produces, dust arcing and so on.

RE: Useless
By ineedaname on 3/19/2008 5:42:29 PM , Rating: 4
I work at a computer repair center and actually most of the hardware problems that come in are all heat related. So a better way to cool laptops is VERY essential. You can say its not a bottleneck but it definitely will prolong the lifespan of your laptop.

RE: Useless
By ChronoReverse on 3/19/2008 6:50:19 PM , Rating: 2
I don't dispute the need for cooling and especially cooling in confined spaces.

However, overheating laptops tend to be caused by poorly designed cooling setups, clogged (with dust) vents or some sort of user silliness (like blocking the exhaust). This smaller fan isn't going to help with any of that.

In my laptop, even when the fan is quiet, I can easily detect a jet of warm to hot air coming out. Can we really do with a current equivalent to a fan 35 times the size (I'll assume area)?

In short, the only real issue it solves is fan blade noise. Which is fine and all but hardly a revolution. It also doesn't help that similar concepts have popped up every once in a while without any results. Unless I'm totally misunderstanding this, it's same old "ionic wind" type of tech. Mmmm, I love ozone.

RE: Useless
By Oregonian2 on 3/19/2008 7:02:37 PM , Rating: 2
In short, the only real issue it solves is fan blade noise.

The article doesn't say anything about the fan being quiet. Could be twice as noisy -- just isn't coming from a blade. Moving/accelerating air has the potential to make noise (or at least sound, "noise" is just an interpretation of sound).

RE: Useless
By ChronoReverse on 3/19/2008 7:05:58 PM , Rating: 2
I'm building from the another post' claim that it'll be quieter (my original post stated it'd be loud).

If this thing is quieter, then it's worse than useless; it'll spit out ozone and ions as well.

RE: Useless
By ChronoReverse on 3/19/2008 9:35:21 PM , Rating: 1
Huh, I'm surprised this statement is simply modded down despite not being particularly incorrect (if at all).

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