Source: USA Today
quote: The problem is that most consumers simply aren't ready to make the disconnect with reality necessary to purchase an electric vehicle.
quote: zero environmental benefits (manufacturing of a prius has shown to negate any emissions advantages it has over a conventional car;
quote: plus the electricity has to come from a power plant)
quote: it's not a myth
quote: also, away from population centers doesn't mean away from the atmosphere we all breathe, does it??
quote: Yes it is. First link on google, with sources:
quote: Alas, that doesn't take into account the fact that no single battery pack will remain fully functional throughout the stated duration of 160k miles
quote: You know what? Beyond the anecdotal evidence that some vehicles go on the same battery pack over 300k miles and that by law manufacturers are required to warranty hybrid vehicle battery packs for 8y/100k or 10y/150k (depending on the State of purchase) I couldn't find any real data. None. All articles simply regurgitate the same information without presenting any data over and over again. Maybe you can help with identifying a reliable source? Like statistics of warranty and non-warranty battery replacements?
quote: new electricity generation is all gas and renewables.
quote: plus the electricity has to come from a power plant
quote: We would still need a gas-powered vehicle for longer trips, but I can totally see her rocking something like a Leaf.
quote: So...no. No, there isn't the slightest chance in hell that you can justify having an EV as a second vehicle. No. Way. In. Hell.
quote: Reading. You should try it some time.
quote: If the price was right, an EV would make total sense for my wife. She works 5 miles from home and rarely travels more than 30 miles or so roundtrip when running errands during the week. We would still need a gas-powered vehicle for longer trips, but I can totally see her rocking something like a Leaf.
quote: My whole point was to show that trying to justify buying an EV as a 2nd car to "save money" on your local driving is a farce.
quote: Lots of people have.
quote: You mean an additional car when only one would otherwise suffice? What kind of idiotic point is that? Nobody has EVER made that conjecture.
quote: ...so you buy a $30k electric car for the 10 mile commute your wife does to work every day, and then a $30k gas car for real use.
quote: Did I say that
quote: Again, have you even bought a car before?
quote: Americans ARE keeping their vehicles much longer now. New car sales have been poor.
quote: And here you are trying to convince people that now is the time to "come out ahead" and buy an EV?
quote: We would still need a gas-powered vehicle for longer trips , but I can totally see her rocking something like a Leaf.
quote: We are already a two-car household, so it could work for us.
quote: Replacing one of their current vehicles with an EV will NOT SAVE THEM MONEY.
quote: That could be worth it, but of course only if you were otherwise planning on buying a new car for her anyway.
quote: And furthermore you big-mouthed troll, are YOU driving an EV currently? Goddamn hypocrite.
quote: Lease it, let Nissan eat the depreciation. They want to bet on EVs depreciating slower than ICE cars, take the other side.
quote: The point of leasing is so that you don't buy it for $18,500, and instead walk away or lease a new one.
quote: First of all, it hasn't been established that Brandon has or needs a car of his own.
quote: Which would take 17.8 years at $1.08 a trip (highway miles) or 14.5 years at $1.32 a trip (at 31MPG).
quote: which first of all, is still pretty piss-poor for a return period.
quote: Also, consider that the rest of us all paid $7,500 for you to get the Leaf in the first place
quote: the Versa only costs $12k
quote: 35MPG combined too on the Versa.
quote: who, exactly, fails at math?
quote: Yes it has. Brandon explicitly said he's in a two car household
quote: Why do you keep repeating these meaningless numbers when you know that she drives ~24 miles per day, not 10?
quote: No it isn't, as people have trillions of dollars sitting around earning near zero interest, but if you want a faster return period, then lease.
quote: Better than spending even more on imported oil.
quote: Yeah, for the base manual sedan model. It also lacks the power door locks and power windows which 95% of new car buyers choose for their car, including Brandon's wife if she last paid $21k for the car she liked.
quote: at the time I started, he'd not said that yet.
quote: No, 6 years is pretty piss-poor for a breakeven period, before you can begin "saving" anything.
quote: No, it isn't - not when the oil is more economical (it is) and oil is a fungible commmodity (it is).
quote: As noted, you've ignored the fact that I posted information disproving your stupidity at the 24 miles per day, using an EV as a replacement for an ICE car, not a 2nd car, and you refuse to address that issue.
quote: ...and I guess just because someone will say "well yeah but what if the daily commute is 75 miles instead of 10?" - Gas costs in the ICE vehicle: $10/day, $300/month
quote: EVEN IF you were looking at the $21,500 Leaf vs. the $14,500 Accent
quote: Good lord; I go out to have a few drinks with the fellas and all hell breaks loose!
quote: We were going to replace her car anyway... my only point was that we could have easily gone with a Nissan Leaf and she would have done just fine.
quote: And if I HAD bought one, I'm a parasite wasting YOUR tax dollars on a $7,500 credit ;)
quote: you know, she does have a life outside of work too :)
quote: If you don't like it or think the battery is shoddy, leave it to Nissan and buy the 3 year old car that you would've had anyway if you didn't lease the EV
quote: And I refuse to pay the depreciation of a new car that's only going to see 100k at most on it.
quote: Very likely my next car after Mazda 5 will be Leaf, it's the closest to ideal for me.
quote: Besides, I don't have a horse in this race. My next car is going to be a diesel station wagon.
quote: dark energy discombobulator