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  (Source: Mobileshop.com)
WP7 either a "ringing success" that "didn't exactly make waves"

EWeek is reporting that reports of first-day Windows Phone 7 sales have run the gamut of lackluster to impressive, depending on whom you ask.

The Seattle Times deemed the new mobile OS from Microsoft a "ringing success." An AT&T spokeswoman told the news outlet: "We did have lines in some of our markets across the nation. There definitely was anticipation for the phone." She did not provide any sales figures, though.

At T-Mobile, the HTC HD7 was briefly sold out online, but is now back in stock. The Times reported that a store in Bellevue, Wash. had sold only three of the devices by noon of launch day.

On Twitter, the #wp7 hash-tag has provided some additional insight into user's experiences with the device. "Got lucky and snagged a Samsung Focus this morning before it sold out. Was too late at the MS store, but AT&T had 1 left. I need it!," wrote sirkirby.

But first day sales numbers, as reported by The Street, weren't exactly extraordinary. The financial news website said Windows Phone 7 "didn't exactly make waves" on launch day, selling "a mere 40,000 Windows 7 phones." In comparison, Apple's iPhone 4 sold 600,000 units in pre-orders alone (coincidentally, that's the same amount of Windows Mobile devices Microsoft was able to sell in all of Q3 2010). Meanwhile, The Street has pinned Android's daily sales figures at 200,000 units per day.

"It's early in the game," a Nielsen telecom analyst told The Street. "Not every product surges right out of the starting blocks. The first Android phone [G1] was not a big seller at T-Mobile," adding that Black Friday and Christmas sales will be a better test of WP7's staying power. By then, Verizon, the nation's largest mobile carrier, will also be in the Microsoft mix, which should help boost sales figures.




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Got my Focus on Monday
By Wolfgangap on 11/10/2010 9:08:20 AM , Rating: 4
I got 1 of the 2 Samsung Focus phones available on Monday.

My friend got the second one, so my town is now sold out of Samsung Focus phones for at least a week.

Loving the phone so far -- I am coming from an iPhone 3G. I have messed around with the iPhone 4 and it is nice, but I do feel that the WP7 is better (I enjoy the GUI, like the keyboard better, like the live tiles, etc..) -- they both do something nicer than the other.

I am already a Zune subscriber so the WP7 was an easy decision for me.




RE: Got my Focus on Monday
By mcnabney on 11/10/10, Rating: -1
RE: Got my Focus on Monday
By straycat74 on 11/10/2010 9:31:07 AM , Rating: 4
Why does it bother you so much whichever way it goes? You don't have to want the phone, but if you don't admit that it(Windows Mobile 7) is a great restart to windows mobile, then you aren't being objective. Windows Mobile 7 success doesn't change the value of your favorite product. It's OK.


RE: Got my Focus on Monday
By mcnabney on 11/10/10, Rating: -1
RE: Got my Focus on Monday
By dworvos on 11/10/2010 10:09:57 AM , Rating: 5
I don't see it as unreasonable to have a company who has failed many times to try again. Apple failed many times with their Macintosh computers before Steve Jobs arrived on scene. It's a fact that marketing works, Apple has some of the best and successful ad campaigns.


RE: Got my Focus on Monday
By Guspaz on 11/10/2010 11:39:27 AM , Rating: 2
Ignoring the fact that the Macintosh was Steve Job's personal baby until Apple fired him, sure.

Considering that Jobs' new venture, NeXT, also was a failure, I think he probably learned a lot from those two failures, and learned what not to do when he got back to Apple more than a decade later.


RE: Got my Focus on Monday
By sprockkets on 11/10/2010 1:34:43 PM , Rating: 2
Why was NeXT a failure? At the time Dell ran NeXT to power their entire BTO sales web site.


RE: Got my Focus on Monday
By Smilin on 11/10/2010 3:34:31 PM , Rating: 1
Why was NeXT a failure?

Is Dell still running them?


RE: Got my Focus on Monday
By sprockkets on 11/10/2010 3:46:14 PM , Rating: 3
They stopped using them the instant Apple bought them. Kinda like how Microsoft stopped using Unix when they took over hotmail, and back then NT4 sucked balls.

Dog food.


RE: Got my Focus on Monday
By Smilin on 11/10/2010 6:00:07 PM , Rating: 1
ok but it was still a failure.


RE: Got my Focus on Monday
By omnicronx on 11/10/2010 3:04:55 PM , Rating: 2
It wasnt like NeXT failed and Jobs went onto Apple to start fresh. Apple specially bought NexT to use it as the basis for their next generation OS.. i.e OSX.


RE: Got my Focus on Monday
By mcnabney on 11/10/10, Rating: -1
RE: Got my Focus on Monday
By Smilin on 11/10/2010 10:27:03 AM , Rating: 2
Hey no problem! And thank YOU for changing your name from reader1 so we wouldn't have to look at it anymore.


RE: Got my Focus on Monday
By mcnabney on 11/10/10, Rating: -1
RE: Got my Focus on Monday
By Smilin on 11/10/2010 10:48:32 AM , Rating: 3
gotcha. *wink* You're not Reader1. Just someone who argues with as much emotion and as little substance.


RE: Got my Focus on Monday
By Pirks on 11/10/2010 1:04:25 PM , Rating: 4
here's a quick test to determine if a person is a reader1 or not: ask him/her about closed systems and vertical integration ;)


RE: Got my Focus on Monday
By maverick85wd on 11/10/2010 10:17:19 PM , Rating: 2
that's funny, I always kinda thought you were reader1. Of course, in my mind, all trolls are really one person behind many user names...


RE: Got my Focus on Monday
By Wolfgangap on 11/10/2010 10:16:16 AM , Rating: 3
It has plenty of new ideas. The entire GUI is a new idea. The way everything is tightly built into their Cloud service is a new idea. Google is getting there with Android and Apple wants an extra $99 a year for services that WP7 provides (locate lost phone, remote wipe, etc...)

The hardware is nice, not amazing, but what would be amazing these days? iPhone 4 is nice, but again not amazing. This is nothing like WinMo 6.5. You can argue it is worse in some respects (worse for business) and much better for consumer use.

It is a cloud device (upload photos to skydrive right after taking the pic, facebook (I don't use that), zune services, Bing, etc...)

Yes it is missing some features which are coming soon. On my iPhone 3G I used copy and paste a handful of times. It is nice to have, but I don't miss it.

The browser is plenty fast -- every web review has shown it performs about as well as the other mobile browsers.

I guess you haven't ventured into the Zune marketplace which is filled with quality XNA based games and Silverlight Apps. The live tiles are a nice touch -- I can see the current weather without launching the app.

I have shared the phone with a few people and they found it much easier to navigate than an iPhone.

The biggest problem with WP7 is it is on ATT where it has to compete with iPhone here in the US and iPhone certainly is what is on the consumers mind.

You just sound like someone who doesn't like Microsoft. If you can't even acknowledge some of the cool things MS has done on the 360 -- well it is clear you are sticking your head in the sand.


RE: Got my Focus on Monday
By mcnabney on 11/10/10, Rating: -1
RE: Got my Focus on Monday
By Wolfgangap on 11/10/2010 10:42:37 AM , Rating: 3
I went with AT&T because they are the best in my area. I live in a smallish area and won't be getting LTE coverage anytime soon.

The reason MS launched on AT&T and T-Mobile vs Verizon is because the rest of the world is GSM. They didn't want build out CDMA phones when it would only work in the US and a few other carriers. GSM offers more coverage.

All the reviews I read stated the browser was good, but going into it they thought it would suck because it is a hybrid of IE7 and IE8. It actually works well and most reviews echoed that. My biggest complaint would be the screen is more sensitive than the iPhone and I accidently zoom sometimes.

I don't trust the cloud at all. I don't even use many of the cloud features -- but that is what MS was selling -- a cool phone (instant camera) that syncs and shares with the cloud. It is a much more integrated experience.

The Lives tiles aren't revolutionary, but the way the are implemented is new and the GUI is much more consistent than Android and iOS. I have shown it to non-tech people and they found navigating to apps, using the phone was quicker and that they enjoyed the experience. I know two people who are now going to get WP7 Focus instead of upgrading to iPhone 4.

The WP7 phone fits perfectly in between iPhone and Android. iPhone is 1 phone and 1 OS for all. WP7 is 1 OS for all and multiple phones. Android is multiple phones and multiple OSes. I enjoy what WP7 is offering vs iPhone and don't even want to get into the OS/App store hell that is Android. Android will soon have a Google store, Amazon Store, HTC Store and the rumored Sony store... Then you have Androids getting updates at different times, no standard hardware performance, etc...

WP7 did a good job of helping developers only have tackle 1 OS where they will know the performance of it and allowing users to choose which kind of handset and features they want in the actual hardware.

The Kin != WP7. That is an old and tired argument.


RE: Got my Focus on Monday
By mcnabney on 11/10/2010 11:00:37 AM , Rating: 3
Good reasoning. I am glad you are satisfied with the product.

I would point out one misnomer, there really isn't that much of a difference between a GSM and CDMA phone. The difference is a slightly different radio (one tiny chip) and usually the antenna will be different based upon the frequencies that the carrier uses. For example, T-Mobile and AT&T devices would have the exact same radio chip, but the antennas would be slightly different because they use different bands of spectrum. Changing a device manufacturing process from GSM to CDMA would require soldering a different radio chip in and attaching a slightly different antenna (for best performance). And a different set of firmware to run the radio correctly. It really isn't a big deal.


RE: Got my Focus on Monday
By Wiggy Mcshades on 11/10/2010 11:36:14 AM , Rating: 2
That not big deal you are talking about is atleast 3 months of design work and then more time for rewriting the firmware. After all of that the device has to be retested in house and then sent to the FCC (or if not in the US a comparable organization for where you are) for validation, that all takes an inordinate amount of time. It is NOT as simple as soldering a new chip and using a new antenna. One chip being changed on a highly complex multilayer pcb is usually huge. That usually leads to rerunning traces because with a device this small every single trace is in a very exact place and the traces were placed based on specifications of the chip used.


RE: Got my Focus on Monday
By omnicronx on 11/10/2010 2:17:25 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
I went and checked and reviews are all complaining about the browser's speed, starting with the reviews at DailyTech.
Thats a load of garbage. Even Mac centric sites like ARS stated its a great browser in the review. The only complaints I have seen is text is not so viewable when zoomed out far, and that it does not support HTML5 right now.

That being said SPEED has not been the issue to those that actually did a proper review of the release version of the phone.

Not some crappy beta review with buggy code.(which I think is where you are basing your DT review from)


RE: Got my Focus on Monday
By tharik on 11/10/2010 4:02:34 PM , Rating: 2
I think the Xbox gained on one thing and that was Halo.


RE: Got my Focus on Monday
By Drag0nFire on 11/10/2010 4:27:14 PM , Rating: 2
Freaking Microsoft. I want to play Halo 3. Just to finish the story arc if nothing else. If only they would be kind enough to release it for the PC, I will gladly fork over $30.

Seriously, it's been like 3 years. Anyone who's going to buy an xbox to play this game has already bought one.


RE: Got my Focus on Monday
By Smilin on 11/10/2010 6:03:22 PM , Rating: 3
After the original port of Halo (1) you still want that?

I was getting like 20fps on a $600 graphics card when that thing came out. I never finished playing it.

Grab one of the black thursday sales and pickup an Xbox. Even if you remain a hardcore pc gamer (like me) you'll still dig many of its games plus all the extras (netflix, stream media from pc, etc..)


RE: Got my Focus on Monday
By melgross on 11/10/2010 10:49:15 AM , Rating: 1
If you INSIST that's it's a great restart before knowing how well it's doing over some reasonable span of time, then YOU aren't being objective either.


RE: Got my Focus on Monday
By Wolfgangap on 11/10/2010 10:57:40 AM , Rating: 2
I haven't insisted at all. I am just pointing out what MS has done with the phone since A) I actually own it, B) have used it in "real life" and C) actually wrote an app for it.

I never said it was a great restart. I said I am enjoying the phone and am happy with my purchase.

It isn't perfect, but I haven't found a device that is -- so that will always be a complaint.

I would like to see some features added and hopefully they continue to improve on the phone like Apple and Google have done with their phone.


RE: Got my Focus on Monday
By foolsgambit11 on 11/10/2010 3:29:26 PM , Rating: 2
I mostly agree, but there are some exceptions. Sometimes the success of an inferior product makes it that much harder to get a product that caters to your needs. Take, for instance, the success of TN LCD panels, which have made it harder and harder to get a laptop with a higher-quality IPS panel. I'm not saying that will happen in this case, or that WP7 is an inferior product (I haven't tried it, but it looks great, save the current lack of a few features), just saying that a case can be made for being displeased with other consumers' choices in products. But yeah, in the case of smartphones, I'd say to each his own should be the policy.


RE: Got my Focus on Monday
By omnicronx on 11/10/2010 2:12:36 PM , Rating: 2
You are an idiot. The Zune for all intents and purposes was a failure and MS knows it.

Why on earth would a failed market be their target market?

Its quite easy to see what their target market is this time around.. ANY consumer as its a consumer centric phone..

Zune integration is nothing but a nice addition for those that have been faithful, but its hardly the target market.


RE: Got my Focus on Monday
By tharik on 11/10/2010 4:06:45 PM , Rating: 2
Its quite easy to see what their target market is this time around.. Idiots!


RE: Got my Focus on Monday
By Smilin on 11/11/2010 11:27:59 AM , Rating: 2
In that case they'll get massacred in the market by Apple. They have that segment cornered.


RE: Got my Focus on Monday
By Mitch101 on 11/10/2010 9:50:57 AM , Rating: 2
I canceled my order after AT&T screwed things up. The phone sold out and I arrived at home to read an e-mail that there was a problem with my account. I called to be dropped 45 mins later, Called again and then told I need to wait while another department got online. When the new guy got on the phone they started asking a number of personal questions. I told them after the first question I wasn't comfortable with this and how many additional questions would there be. He told me 6 more I also then received an e-mail from AT&T stating I needed to fax them my drivers license and copy of my social security card. At that point I told them to shove the phone and service and cancel my order. Funny enough at the bottom of the e-mail is says I can order a pay as you go plan. Seems It easier to be a drug lord than to get a corporate discount today with AT&T.


RE: Got my Focus on Monday
By mcnabney on 11/10/2010 10:06:45 AM , Rating: 2
That is odd. They usually just ask for your email address associated with the qualified employer. They send an email to that address, you click approve, and bam - the discount is on there. At least that is how I did it with Verizon and T-Mobile. Maybe AT&T is different?


RE: Got my Focus on Monday
By Mitch101 on 11/10/2010 10:56:25 AM , Rating: 2
Thats how I did it with Verizon at my previous employer.


RE: Got my Focus on Monday
By inighthawki on 11/10/2010 12:25:05 PM , Rating: 2
lol, you sure that wasn't a phishing scam? I've never heard of a company asking for drivers license, social security cards, and asking tons of personal questions just for a small problem with the account...


give it time
By Da W on 11/10/2010 8:57:20 AM , Rating: 3
5 billion cell phones on the planet, not even 100 million smartphones yet. Owning 30% of the smartphone market today means nothing in the grand scheme of things.




RE: give it time
By Smilin on 11/10/2010 9:27:30 AM , Rating: 3
Owning 30% of that market is like being #1 in PC sales in 1986.


RE: give it time
By corduroygt on 11/10/2010 2:15:36 PM , Rating: 2
Like Commodore?


RE: give it time
By Smilin on 11/10/2010 3:40:53 PM , Rating: 2
Yes like Commodore (kinda). I mean how dare Dell computer (started in roughly '84-'86) think they can compete when they are so late to the game!

Apple will trounce the late comer the same way Commodore did.


RE: give it time
By Rasterman on 11/10/2010 10:45:22 AM , Rating: 2
Apples and oranges! and of those 5 billion cell phones how much do they cost? how much do people spend on apps? ringtones? text messages? there is a vast difference in the economics of 5 billion $10 cell phones vs 100 million $500 smartphones. Google and MS can sell 100x the number of iPhones and they still won't even hold a candle to the app store, currently Apple makes over 99%, yes 99%! of the entire market of phone app sales, a VERY lucrative market, the margins are huge. And with carriers making $30/month on dataplans with smartphones, I wouldn't be surprised if the much smaller smartphone market is making much more than the entire rest of the 5 billion cell phones. Especially given that most of the 5 billion cell phones are in China and India where plans are a few dollars (USD)/month.


RE: give it time
By Smilin on 11/10/2010 1:53:20 PM , Rating: 2
If you look behind and above you and slightly to the left you may just be able to make out the vapor trail of where the point he was making flew past you.


RE: give it time
By Da W on 11/11/2010 9:48:34 AM , Rating: 2
lol

Yeah for slower minded ones, here's the point: there was once zero sell phones, it grew to 5 billion, there are almost as much cell phones as there are human beings (yet not enough food for everyone). 5 billion is the potential smarphone market, it will get to that point once day. So even if Apple has 100 million iphone sold and MS has 40000 units sold on day one, in 2010, thing will be a lot different in 2011, 2012, 2015, 2020... get it? The war is only beginning.


RE: give it time
By melgross on 11/10/2010 11:12:32 AM , Rating: 2
There's a lot more than 100 million smartphones out there, and it's not likely that there are 5 billion cell altogether.

And who cares about throwaway phones, and free basic models? We're just concerned about smartphones. What seems clear is that Nokia is going down fast, RIM is moving down more slowly, and that iOS and Android will be the biggest winners.

As far as the iPhone goes, it still isn't available from some of the biggest vendors around the world. When it is, things could change.

Whether WP7 will join them isn't known yet. The one thing it has going for it so far is MS's usual persistence. Other than for the KIN, they've stuck with hardware even if it did poorly, such as the Zune.


RE: give it time
By omnicronx on 11/10/2010 2:25:13 PM , Rating: 2
So if I see 10 million phones at a dollar a piece is that more influential 'in the grand scheme of things' than selling 100,000 smartphones at 100$ a pop?

Total sales mean absolutely nothing if we don't know the margins associated with them.

(If you don't realize where I am going, smartphones traditionally have much higher margins)


RE: give it time
By Smilin on 11/10/2010 6:05:06 PM , Rating: 2
I think his point was that the smartphone market is still very much in it's infancy. Being number one right now doesn't matter since the game hasn't even really begun.

iPhone dominates right now but so did the Apple IIe back in the day.


RE: give it time
By omnicronx on 11/10/2010 6:45:42 PM , Rating: 2
Smartphones are merely an evolution of normal cell phones, so you are not really making a fair comparison.

Just look at the big players in the cell phone market, aside from Apple what has really changed since the mid 90's when nobody had cell phones?

History has shown us what kind of advantage being early to the game can give you in the technology market. Especially when you consider how encumbered everything is these days.

The fact remains that the phone markers are focusing more now on higher margin smartphones than 'dead phones'. How many people have phones is means a lot less when smartphones are starting to approach 'dead phones' when it comes to profits.(even with much smaller sales)


RE: give it time
By Smilin on 11/12/2010 10:46:50 AM , Rating: 2
I don't think history has really shown us this.

Did being the first "PC" maker help IBM? First pascal/C maker help Borland? spreadsheet: visicalc? what about Palm? Network OS ... Novell? what about television pioneers... RCA?

If being an early player gives you an advantage then why is Microsoft having to RE-enter the smartphone market.

Really the game is only beginning. Some are off to an early lead but the first lap isn't even over.


Microsoft should be celebrating now...
By sean001 on 11/10/2010 10:06:17 AM , Rating: 2
if thestreet.com's number can be trusted. 40K on Monday, that's more than 10% market share. I am interested to know who had lost these 10%.




RE: Microsoft should be celebrating now...
By theapparition on 11/10/2010 10:26:29 AM , Rating: 2
Considering Android sells over 200k a day, and Apple (iPhone) is around 60k a day, 40k for a launch day isn't that impressive.


RE: Microsoft should be celebrating now...
By omnicronx on 11/10/2010 4:09:57 PM , Rating: 2
Why are you comparing launch numbers to monthly numbers of two mature products?


By omnicronx on 11/10/2010 4:28:29 PM , Rating: 2
Just to put it into perspective. Google's launch WEEKEND for the G1 was only 100K.


Love my Samsung Focus
By Digobick on 11/10/2010 10:23:01 AM , Rating: 4
My local AT&T store received 15 Samsung Focus phones for launch. I went there an hour after they opened and there were only 3 left. I bought two: one for myself and one for my wife.

I knew I would love it, but I wasn't sure what my wife would think. She's not a very technical person. But get this: she loves the phone! She called me at work to tell me the phone was "fun" and "easy" to use.

I've already told my family members to pick up a Windows Phone when they're back in stock.

Trust me: Microsoft has a hit on its hands.




RE: Love my Samsung Focus
By Smilin on 11/10/2010 10:50:23 AM , Rating: 2
Jealous. Waiting on my carrier. :(


Loving it...
By Doctorweir on 11/10/2010 9:57:51 AM , Rating: 4
Have my HTC 7 Mozart for two weeks now (Singapore) and it's just great...welcome back MS. A refreshing alternative to the icon graveyards on the iPhone. And the Mozart is a damn sexy piece of hardware, too (I'll admit the iPhone 4 is).
However no technology issues (antenna?!) and a nextgen GUI ;-)




Verizon
By djcameron on 11/10/2010 1:11:02 PM , Rating: 2
I'm just waiting for Verizon to get WP7. I need to be on Verizon for work, and I'm not going to carry two phones around.




RE: Verizon
By 67STANG on 11/10/2010 5:37:36 PM , Rating: 2
I'm waiting for a Verizon WP7 not for work, but because I'd like to actually be able finish a call without it dropping. My AT&T contract is up in April. Ahhh, just a few short months and I'll be able to see if my iPhone 3G will blend.


Geif WP7 devices plx!
By TormDK on 11/10/2010 9:36:17 AM , Rating: 3
Here in Denmark it's almost impossible to find a device for sale. It's effetively sold out, and thats even without Denmark being able to access Zune, the markedplace or the live features (Which isn't comming for another six months or so)

So far it looks like a solid product that needs more devices in stores.




By rudeboouuy on 11/10/2010 4:06:54 PM , Rating: 2
Yes the phones are selling out all over the place but they neglect to mention that these stores are only stocking 10 to 20 phones.....I don't think there's been a single lineup anywhere in the world for these phones.....too bad cause they look good.....




Bad News Microsoft
By ResStellarum on 11/11/2010 2:49:43 PM , Rating: 2
From what I'm hearing, the sales are generally quite sluggish, and no, this has nothing to do with supply. It appears from the people who I have talked to, the vast majority of those buying WP7 are ex Win Mobile users. So whatever rate winmo is selling at the moment, WP7 will likely match that. However, I don't see any sign of Android, iPhone, or even blackberry users turning coats, for they all seem to be happy with their current phones.

I think a lot of the caution is rooted in the dearth of features that WP7 has. Having no custom ringtones, flash, copy and paste, and third party multitasking are deal breakers for most users. After all, these are core features that have existed for some time in the market. I also see a number of people comparing the interface to fisher price toys in terms of pulchritude and quality.




Get Windows 7 Phones
By PackageForMe on 11/26/2010 3:36:36 PM , Rating: 2
Get windows 7 phones and more at http://www.packageforme.com




DOA
By Argon18 on 11/10/2010 8:13:35 PM , Rating: 1
WP7 will wither and die, just like every other Microsoft product that isn't Windows or Office.




I smell Kin...
By mcnabney on 11/10/10, Rating: -1
RE: I smell Kin...
By RandomFool on 11/10/2010 9:09:44 AM , Rating: 2
That number doesn't include MS or Dell employees.

Give it time, the G1 didn't sell well either and Android has turned out pretty well.


RE: I smell Kin...
By mcnabney on 11/10/10, Rating: -1
RE: I smell Kin...
By Smilin on 11/10/2010 9:25:22 AM , Rating: 2
No it doesn't.

That reimbursement program doesn't go into effect for several more weeks. It got delayed to avoid the shortages in Europe spreading to the US. Also I'm sure many are waiting for their own carrier to offer the phones.

AT&T isn't the most popular at Microsoft (I would guess).


RE: I smell Kin...
By RandomFool on 11/10/2010 9:29:39 AM , Rating: 2
The linked article clearly states:

"The anemic sales number does not include the 89,000 Microsoft employees that will be given free Windows 7 phones."

Dell is providing their a dell phone to their employees, which isn't available yet.


RE: I smell Kin...
By inighthawki on 11/10/2010 9:12:10 AM , Rating: 4
Android wasn't a huge success on day 1 either, do you think MS is magic or something? People don't know what it is yet.


RE: I smell Kin...
By mcnabney on 11/10/10, Rating: -1
RE: I smell Kin...
By inighthawki on 11/10/2010 9:23:10 AM , Rating: 3
Yeah even with that $100mil ad campaign I have yet to see a single one. Just give it time, a lot of people don't even know about it yet. A lot of people are also waiting for small details and bugs to be ironed out before jumping on it on day one. Not everyone is a sheep like Apple buyers who wait in line at 3am to buy a product that hasn't even been reviewed yet.


RE: I smell Kin...
By Smilin on 11/10/2010 9:31:31 AM , Rating: 5
We're just seeing the difference between an Apple and non-Apple consumer here.

Non-Apple: Going to wait until Christmas, going to wait for my carrier. Going to wait for the model I want to be in stock. Going to order it online instead of standing in line. In other words: I'm going to think about my decision.

Apple: OMGWTFBBQ WHY IS THIS LINE SO LONG? DONT CARE ABOUT DEFECTS MUST HAVE IT NOW SO I CAN SHOW EVERYONE!

You saw the exact same behavior with Android phones.


RE: I smell Kin...
By muhahaaha on 11/10/2010 2:16:38 PM , Rating: 2
this deserves a 6 for accuracy


RE: I smell Kin...
By Aloonatic on 11/10/2010 9:47:07 AM , Rating: 1
There might be a slight whiff of the Nexus 1 lingering around perhaps?

I think it's too early to be writing obituaries though.


RE: I smell Kin...
By nbachman on 11/10/2010 11:13:41 AM , Rating: 1
This guy is obviously trolling.


RE: I smell Kin...
By cjohnson2136 on 11/10/2010 1:15:36 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah he is trolling

I have been able to work with the development tools for the WP7 and I have got to say I love the development tools. I want WP7 on Verizon so I can get it. I am going to see what Verizon has to offer for WP7 and compare it to a Droid. But I am leaning to WP7 just because I can build my own apps.

Question to any developers. Are you able to load your own apps onto your personal device or do you have to put it in the marketplace and download it from there?


RE: I smell Kin...
By PrezWeezy on 11/10/2010 7:39:29 PM , Rating: 2
I don't have a device, but I see that in the tools there is an option to debug on a device via a USB cable (instead of the emulator). I would assume that actually installs the program as that's how it works on the emulator. I'm hoping that works because I only developed a small app for my company which I don't intend to publish.


RE: I smell Kin...
By robinthakur on 11/11/2010 9:13:08 AM , Rating: 2
Yes, the only possible fly in the development ointment is MS's recent comments about deprecating Silverlight (or halting development on it and shifting its focus to HTML5) which is pretty dumb to announce right after the debut of WP7 when you want developers to flock to the device.

I think that MS's true strengths lie in the corporate market. Let's face it, if MS had made a competant mobile email solution, why would the world and its dog use a Blackberry (or an iPhone more recently...yes many companies do) for business?

With WP7, it seems more consumer focused currently, with MS attempting to infiltrate the organisation by stealth a la Apple. Its an interesting idea, but MS has neither the standing that it once did and also has the previous product failures like Vista, Zune, Kin and most relevently Wimo which hang around their neck like millstones and influence people's interest in running out on day 1 to buy anything which they bring to market in this space.

However, even with these caveats, its approach to the phone interface, whilst it doesn't leave people in speechless awe as with the first iPhone, is novel, different and well done to them for trying and not just shutting down phone operations altogether.


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