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EVGA x58 SLI FTW Motherboard  (Source: EVGA)
EVGA board offers all sorts of cool features for the enthusiast

Many gamers and enthusiasts are anticipating the launch of motherboards based on Intel's X58 chipset. The boards are offering several interesting technologies including support for the Intel Core i7 processors and SLI.

EVGA gave an early look at its X58 SLI FTW motherboard and details on its features. The board supports the Intel Core i7 processor and uses the X58 Express Chipset with the ICH10R southbridge. EVGA integrates its VDroop Control into the design and uses 100% solid-state capacitors.

EVGA says that the VDroop control helps minimize VDroop making the system more stable while the EVGA E-LEET Tuning Utility makes it easier for users to overclock their system. Other features of the motherboard include six DIMM triple-channel DDR3 slots, support for SLI, 3-way SLI, and CrossFireX. It's interesting to note that Intel has been warning against the use of high voltages on memory with the X58 at risk of killing the Core i7 CPUs.

Support for SLI on a retail motherboard not using an NVIDIA chipset is also new. NVIDIA announced in August that it would enable SLI on the X58 chipset with or without the use of its nForce 200 chip. The board offers ten SATA II ports and one eSATA port. Overclockers will appreciate the external rear panel CMOS clear button.

Intel's Core i7 processor is promising the enthusiast higher performance with a few new tricks. Intel will use new QuickPath technology to compete directly against AMD's HyperTransport on-chip memory controller. The processor is built using a 45nm process and will have eight logical cores thanks to Hyper-Threading on the four physical cores.



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Nice motherboard
By FITCamaro on 10/23/2008 11:48:41 AM , Rating: 1
Do I hear $250? Maybe $300?




RE: Nice motherboard
By alexsch8 on 10/23/2008 11:50:11 AM , Rating: 2
I would say upwards of $350...


RE: Nice motherboard
By Lord 666 on 10/23/2008 12:03:15 PM , Rating: 2
Hopefully for that range it will have the lifetime warranty and not the stripped down 1 year that came with their other 680 boards.

Just glad EVGA is now making Intel chipsets.


RE: Nice motherboard
By VaultDweller on 10/23/2008 12:49:44 PM , Rating: 2
Boards based on X series chipsets have been way too expensive for what they're worth.

This vexes me. I expect to be in the market to build a new system in March or April, but P55 isn't planned for launch until July 09. I'm going to want a Nehalem system, but where will the reasonable motherboards be?


RE: Nice motherboard
By rippleyaliens on 10/23/08, Rating: -1
RE: Nice motherboard
By on 10/23/2008 6:15:34 PM , Rating: 2
WHAT ?? Get back on your ritalin please.


RE: Nice motherboard
By akugami on 10/23/2008 7:13:27 PM , Rating: 2
What's up with the FITCamaro clones lately? We have F1TCamaro with the "1" instead of an "i" in there, and now we have a FATCamaro. Someone jerking off to FITCamaro or something?


RE: Nice motherboard
By FITCamaro on 10/23/2008 8:37:24 PM , Rating: 3
I'd prefer lame dudes not jacking off to the thought of me....


RE: Nice motherboard
By FITCamar0 on 10/23/2008 10:46:14 PM , Rating: 2
Some people would be flattered


RE: Nice motherboard
By feraltoad on 10/24/2008 2:31:24 AM , Rating: 3
U would prefer trendy guys?

I think they are personality variants of FIT that he is unaware of.


RE: Nice motherboard
By CloudFire on 10/24/2008 8:01:56 AM , Rating: 2
what are you talking about? seriously, get back to whatever drugs you are on.

Intel DOES HAVE 3.0ghz quad cores already. go read up on the Q9650,QX6850,and QX9650.

both the QX9770, and QX9775 are at a native 3.2ghz.


RE: Nice motherboard
By Samus on 10/23/2008 10:17:03 PM , Rating: 2
I'm still running a 975X-based DFI that I recently upgraded to a Q6600 2.4GHz and it still holds its own compared to the newest systems. It overclocked reasonably well with my old E4200 which ran at 3GHz, however, I'm not overclocking the Q6600.

Has never crashed, never given a bluescreen, and has won me back to the dark side.


RE: Nice motherboard
By on 10/23/08, Rating: -1
RE: Nice motherboard
By FITCamaro on 10/23/2008 2:20:51 PM , Rating: 3
What? No comment about how the PS3 is 50000x more powerful than the Core i7? And how ordinary video cards piss silicon in its presence?


RE: Nice motherboard
By on 10/23/08, Rating: -1
RE: Nice motherboard
By Pirks on 10/23/2008 3:30:27 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
The price for product is always high if noone buys it
Thanks for the explanation of the insanely high price of PS3 (compared to other consoles of course)


RE: Nice motherboard
By 3DoubleD on 10/23/2008 4:04:24 PM , Rating: 4
Perhaps your joking, but I thought I'd point these things out anyway.

For 400 Euros I could build a computer that would beat the snot out of the PS3 without a second thought. The PS3 uses GPU technology that is near 3 years old (same as the Xbox360). They also run on a ridiculously tiny about of ram. The xbox360 uses a shared pool of 512 MB of ram to share between a triple core CPU and GPU (which fortunately has a 10 MB on die GPU cache). The PS3 has 256 MB of GDDR3 for it's GPU and 256 MB for the Cell Processor. The xbox 360 GPU is similar to that of the ATI HD 2xxx series and the PS3 GPU is similar to that of the Nvidia 7800 (Microsoft got the better deal there).

PCs are more than two generations beyond the GPUs in these platforms. Also, when gaming at 1080p, the amount of memory the GPU has makes a huge difference, where going between 512 MB and 1024 MB increases performance dramatically. Being stuck with 256 MB of relatively slow RAM also hinders performance. Whenever I play a PS3 or see a demo, all I can see are these facts and it is painful. There is only so much platform optimizations can do to make up for aging hardware.

I remember when Sony announced the PS3 they said it would last for 10 Years... well I guess it will in the same annoying way as the PS2 is still taking up shelf space... but in terms of "next generation experiences" you can't ever compete with PCs.

Now if you gave me 5000-10000 Euros... I could build a amazing home theater AND PC


RE: Nice motherboard
By on 10/23/08, Rating: -1
RE: Nice motherboard
By Nfarce on 10/23/2008 5:16:53 PM , Rating: 2
I game with both a PS3 and a newly built E8500/P45/GTX 260 PC. However, I prefer PC gaming because 1) I get a more realistic racing experience close to a 24" LCD with a steering wheel/pedal setup; ditto for FSX with a yoke and rudder pedals, 2) keyboard and mouse shooting pwns all handheld controllers period end of story, and 3), PC online games have more adults in them than all the juvenile potty mouth and "Gee let's see how cool it is to cause a crash online!" punks with the PS3 online game servers, and 4) the games are less expensive.

The greatest thing about the PS3 is that it's portable and it's a cool non-gaming entertainment center. But, even with a 1080p 46" XBR4 LCD TV, the latest PS3 games don't hold a candle to the graphics of DX10 PC games like Crysis on a 24" LCD even run at a "low" resolution of 1680x1050.


RE: Nice motherboard
By 3DoubleD on 10/23/2008 5:38:29 PM , Rating: 2
How many tflops a chips can spit out isn't a very good metric for gaming performance. Look up a video card review and point to the benchmark where it shows how many tflops the new card can do. Absolutely useless. The only good tflops are for are for supercomputer performance or FAH.

quote:
Very true! It's where performance comes from. Use your brains to program and invent genious algorithms.


Did you just say that having less RAM makes the games run FASTER?!?! In reality the game developers have to develop for the least powerful system so it is playable on that system, squeezing as much out of it as they can (optimizing the code). Then the developer will release a version for PC that will have 10x the graphics potential of the console version as it has more system resources.

It is funny you bring up Crysis. You couldn't play Crysis on a console without setting everything to minimum so they never bothered to release it for consoles. Crysis wasn't the greatest game, but it sure was one of the greatest to look at, something that console users won't get to see until the next generation. I would rather developers make more games for PC instead of wasting time optimizing for the weaker systems like the xbox360 and PS3.

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It's shared so its 512 MB


Please tell me where it says the 256 MB of XDR RAM and the 256 MB of GDDR3 RAM are shared http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation_3 ? Even if they were shared, what is your point, you are still limited to 512 MB of RAM for your ENTIRE system. How are you supposed to perform anti-aliasing at 1080p with reasonable textures with 256 MB of RAM? The answer is that you don't! They have to hold back.

quote:
Decreases!


Why would you think performance decreases with increasing video memory??? I don't get it. It will either stay the same if 512 MB wasn't being fully used or increase if it was.

quote:
...you could build it from trashy garbage components from the next companies: logitech, ati, amd, trust, bfg, sapphire, philips, plextor


Using these "trashy" companies one could build a computer that would have twice the graphics performance of the PS3. Let's look at some real numbers. The xbox360 GPU was something between the x1950 and HD 2xxx generation so we will choose an x1950 with 256 MB of GDDR3. The PS3 GPU has been said to have the performance of two 6800 Ultras or close to that of the 7800 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RSX_%27Reality_Synthe... . Using Tom's Hardware 2008 GPU comparison chart and comparing with a ~$100 graphics card today, the 8800 GT, with the previously mentioned GPUs we find:

http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/gaming-graphics...[1590]=on&prod[1640]=on&prod[1562]=on&prod[1571]=on&prod[1561]=on

(If this link does not bring you to the comparison between the 8800GT OC, ATI x1950 XT, Nvidia 7800 GTX, Nvidia 6800 Ultra SLI, and Nvida 6800 Ultra then select the boxes beside these cards and hit compare at the top or bottom of the screen)

No surprise, the 8800 GT completely demolishes both the 6800 Ultra SLI (or 7800) as well as the x1950. I'm sure we could nearly double performance above that if we spent $200 more, but that would ruin the price comparison. I'd also like to point out that the Xbox360 GPU would be more powerful than the Nvidia PS3 GPU.


RE: Nice motherboard
By StevoLincolnite on 10/23/2008 6:42:19 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Please tell me where it says the 256 MB of XDR RAM and the 256 MB of GDDR3 RAM are shared http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation_3 ? Even if they were shared, what is your point, you are still limited to 512 MB of RAM for your ENTIRE system. How are you supposed to perform anti-aliasing at 1080p with reasonable textures with 256 MB of RAM? The answer is that you don't! They have to hold back.


From what I have a read, the PS3 can place graphics data into the separate 256mb pools of memory, however there *is* a performance hit from doing this, the 256mb main memory is slower than the 256mb of graphics memory.

Also the Xbox 360 can perform Anti-Aliasing almost for free thanks to the 10mb of eDRAM - which in my mind was the smarter choice, I wouldn't mind if Desktop cards started implementing this feature, especially on IGP's and Low-end cards where AA is more important.

quote:
Why would you think performance decreases with increasing video memory??? I don't get it. It will either stay the same if 512 MB wasn't being fully used or increase if it was.


Technically it does "increase" performance, that is more data that is required to be processed, however if the game is going to use 512mb of memory regardless, then having 512mb of Graphics memory will not give you a performance boost, you will just suffer less of a performance impact.

quote:
I'd also like to point out that the Xbox360 GPU would be more powerful than the Nvidia PS3 GPU.


And more flexible to! Still, Performance wise it's apparently fairly comparable to the Radeon x19xx series but with a Unified Shader support, the other Bonus is 3dc support which the Geforce 8 and above series supports, and all Radeon's since the x8xx series supports, which compresses textures, normal maps, bump maps and all that other jazz for better quality textures, and the Tessellation Engine is great for highly complex models and landscapes also, which was used to full effect in Viva Pinata.


RE: Nice motherboard
By FITCamaro on 10/23/2008 8:42:35 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Also the Xbox 360 can perform Anti-Aliasing almost for free thanks to the 10mb of eDRAM - which in my mind was the smarter choice, I wouldn't mind if Desktop cards started implementing this feature,


Part of the DX10.1 spec is to be able to perform 4x AA without a performance hit.


RE: Nice motherboard
By 3DoubleD on 10/24/2008 12:15:05 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
From what I have a read, the PS3 can place graphics data into the separate 256mb pools of memory, however there *is* a performance hit from doing this, the 256mb main memory is slower than the 256mb of graphics memory.


Isn't that similar to what happens in a PC when more video ram is required than is available? I'm not entirely sure. I wouldn't be surprised as these consoles are almost identical to regular PCs.

I too wish they included 10 MB of cache on GPUs. Free AA would be amazing. I'm not sure why they designed the Xbox360 chip this way but never design a desktop GPU the same. Perhaps it was a cost (and maybe space) cutting measure to eliminate the need for having both DDR and GDDR on board. The 2 die Xenos GPU design is very amazing, especially considering it was released well before the PS3. If they released a version for IGP it would pull far ahead of current solutions. The 10 MB eDRAM would be the step between giving it access to part of the system memory (what currently happens) and having its own video memory.

quote:
Technically it does "increase" performance, that is more data that is required to be processed...


I still don't agree. There is no performance increase if the same output is produced by using optimized code that uses 400 MB of RAM vs unoptimized code that requires 512 MB of RAM. If the system had more memory, it could run everything it can run now, but it would have the option of running code that needed even more system resources. If the bottleneck becomes the GPU, then you would have to optimize the code for that. Having more video RAM can't hurt, especially in a console that is meant to last between 5 and 10 years (although the real issue is that they are trying to make it last 5-10 years and there really isn't anything they could have done to future proof it on a reasonable budget).

A more realistic time frame is 3-5 years. It is unfortunate how high the cost of entry into the console market has become. It is truly a fight between shorter product life cycles with cheaper consoles and longer product life cycles with more expensive consoles. Consumers don't like investing in a console that won't be around for long (eg. buying games and controllers, where the console maker makes all of their money) so they have to stretch they system for as long as they can. This is why I'm happy with PC gaming, I can upgrade what I want when I want!


RE: Nice motherboard
By on 10/24/08, Rating: -1
RE: Nice motherboard
By on 10/24/08, Rating: -1
RE: Nice motherboard
By on 10/24/08, Rating: -1
RE: Nice motherboard
By 3DoubleD on 10/24/2008 3:28:18 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
It's the true metric for performance


Hey, you know what is a better measure of gaming performance... GAMES! I just showed you that the PS3 is ancient technology with REAL benchmarks. Here is a link that says what the FLOPS of a computer tells you about its performance http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TFLOPS . I'll quote a section for you so you don't have to click the link:

quote:
For ordinary (non-scientific) applications, integer operations (measured in MIPS) are far more common. Measuring floating point operation speed, therefore, does not predict accurately how the processor will perform on just any problem. However, for many scientific jobs such as analysis of data, a FLOPS rating is effective.


Here is how the FLOPS of a computer (eg the PS3) is measured: http://folding.stanford.edu/English/FAQ-PS3#ntoc7

quote:
Classic examples are evaluations of functions like the exp(x) or sin(x).


Since rendering a frame of a game is much more complex than evaluating exp(x) and sin(x), the real world performance, which is often a mixture of integer and floating point performance with multitudes of different operations, will be much lower. Thus real game benchmarks are the most accurate way of testing a system's ability to play games. So while the PS3 may be a great at evaluating sin(x) or performing supercomputer calculations (like folding protiens), it is not necessarily great at rendering video games. The tflops was a marketing ploy by Sony to sell more systems, the same goes for the impractical Cell CPU at its heart.

quote:
Take a look at vista's recommended (not minimum) memory requirements its 8GB


There are no recommended memory settings for Vista, only minimum system requirements. These are 512 MB for Vista Basic and 1 GB for Home Premium. I personally would (and do) use minimum 2 GB because I'm a heavy user. As a result my system is amazingly responsive, far more than it ever was in XP and comparable to Ubuntu. Guess what? If I throw in another 2 GB, system performance won't go down!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Vista#Hardwar...

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The less memory you have the faster games run. The point is you dont have recources to waste.


You are wrong. If two sets of code are written that take up 300MB and 500MB of RAM but give the same output, there is no performance difference since they give the SAME output. I'd hope the GPU that they put in the PS3 wasn't so weak that it couldn't handle the 200 MB of extra data (or perhaps the extra compression for the smaller 300 MB of code). The worst performance hit would be reading from the hard drive or main memory to get the data, not because there was too much data in RAM. The limitation is the amount of RAM by far, especially for AA at 1080p, a huge problem on the PS3.

quote:
First the game appears on PC with 15-21 fps then it's ported to console. If Crysis was ported to PS3 it would deliver amazing 600-900 fps on realistic settings.


You screwed up your units, the PS3 would run Crysis at 600-900 mfps (that's milli-frames per second, 1 mfps = 0.001 fps) on high settings. A 3 year old GPU with only 256 MB of video memory and 256 MB system memory, it wouldn't even stutter it would be so slow. Again, see the Tom's Hardware benchmark (from my previous post) to see where the PS3s relative game performance is versus a PC that you could build a year ago.

quote:
Read some official documents from SONY with pre-paid royalities fees.


Here are some other resources:

http://playstation.about.com/od/ps3/a/PS3SpecsDeta...
http://reviews.cnet.com/consoles/sony-playstation-...
http://www.whatconsole.co.uk/ps3.php (note that the memory bandwidth in the PS3 is less than half of that of an Nvidia 8800GT and that this also repeats that the PS3 GPU is as fast as 2 6800 Ultras)
http://www.us.playstation.com/PS3/About/Specs (the sony website itself... oh look, only 256 MB of system memory and 256 MB of video memory... looks like wikipedia was 100% correct)

quote:
PS3 has built-in auto-anti-aliasing chip.


Care to provide a reference for that, can't find it anywhere. What I do find are lots of complaints about how the PS3 has many games with NO Anti-aliasing:

http://boardsus.playstation.com/playstation/board/... (it is a long forum, there are some great posts at the end though)
http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php... (these are great too)

Another topic that comes up frequently is how the PS3 is a pain in the @$$ to program for thanks to Sony's publicity driven decision to use the Cell CPU in the PS3.

quote:
Because the more memory you have the longer access time to it is. It decreases fps up to 4 times.


HAHAHAHA! No... just no. You sound like Steve Jobs. Where did you pull 4x decrease in fps from? More memory isn't slower to access, you are wrong.

quote:
But it would fail after 6 monthes or right when warranty expires like it happens with Liyama monitor production line, its even worse than "made in china" and i'm sure it would not be faster.


Computers are generally extremely reliable. Since the PS3 is basically a PC crammed into a George Foreman Grill shaped plastic box, it would be subject to all the reliability crap that you are spewing. I'm sure the warranty on many computer parts are much longer than what you get on your PS3. I built the "400 Euro" computer last Christmas that would beat the pants of the PS3 and it hasn't had a problem since then.

quote:
You don't even need two 6800 Ultras for PLAYSTATION 3 since all the magic happens in Cell BE Extreme 8 cored engine made by legendary IBM. Nvidia's RSX is not even a GPU and is used to output video only because it's extreme stable and can serve for 10-20 years. Any simple but stable video card from 90's with 4 MB VRAM could be instead of RSX in PS3.


The Cell is a CPU, not a GPU, it can't perform the same tasks as efficiently that a GPU can. If you want to understand what the Cell actually is read this website: http://www.blachford.info/computer/Cell/Cell0_v2.h...

If you want to understand what a GPU does and how it is different than a CPU, read this website: http://forums.hexus.net/hexus-hardware/74503-whats...

Anyway, I've undeniably proven that:

1) PCs are generations ahead of the PS3 in gaming performance
2) The above PC can be had for the same price
3) You have no idea what you are talking about

If you are going to bother to respond to this, please post proof to your wild claims, I'm getting tired of your BS.


RE: Nice motherboard
By on 10/24/08, Rating: -1
RE: Nice motherboard
By Ryanman on 10/28/2008 11:13:59 AM , Rating: 2
Jesus Christ you're incredibly ignorant. What vista machine can't boot up in five minutes? The answer is none....
An AMD system I recently built with 2gb of RAM (which slows it down, according to you) boots up in 25 seconds. And my old gaming rig with an AMD dual core and an x1900 can run Crysis at 10fps on High. An 8800GT system beats the hell out of anything the PS3 can come up with - and on an open platform to boot.

You're an idiot. You have no proof for any of your wild and ridiculous claims that more memory slows performance.

Look at how the PS3 was forced to quickly buy nvidia's RSX chip. Wanna know why? Because the cell couldn't do half of what a dedicated GPU can do.

I looked at your rating here on dailytech. It's .05 - and for good reason. You're the most ignorant person I've EVER seen on ANY tech website i've EVER visited.

Good luck with your 500 dollar PS3, hope it works out for you.


RE: Nice motherboard
By CloudFire on 10/24/2008 8:18:27 AM , Rating: 1
looks like to me that stupid people still run rampant on this earth. ^^


RE: Nice motherboard
By threepac3 on 10/23/2008 4:16:18 PM , Rating: 2
This is got to be sarcasm cause you can't be serious.


RE: Nice motherboard
By CloudFire on 10/24/2008 8:06:38 AM , Rating: 1
lol @ this post.

are you serious? gaming PC's cost 5000-10000 euros?

currently, 5000 euros would equal 6298$ USD. you must be plain retarded, ignorant or a combination of both to be stupid enough to get a gaming PC that is 6,300$.

anyone with some information about current PC's will gladly inform you that building a high end gaming PC would cost around 1400-2000 depending on parts you want. most gamers out there have mid to mid-high systems which only costs around 800-1300 to build.

but maybe i'm wrong, maybe you're one of those people that buy their gaming PC's from companies such as Alienware, which charge around 5,000+ USD for a computer you can build yourself for around 1500-2000. good game.


RE: Nice motherboard
By on 10/24/08, Rating: -1
RE: Nice motherboard
By Gzus666 on 10/23/08, Rating: 0
RE: Nice motherboard
By on 10/23/08, Rating: -1
RE: Nice motherboard
By Gzus666 on 10/23/2008 5:38:46 PM , Rating: 1
Then don't buy a gaming PC? Integrated graphics takes up space on the board, do you think they just float above the board? You live in quite a world my friend, quite a world.


RE: Nice motherboard
By walk2k on 10/23/2008 2:06:06 PM , Rating: 2
Upwards of $300 probably, and the 2.93Ghz i7 will be high-$500s.

Then you need expensive DDR3 ram, at least 3 sticks, that's going to run you at least $250+.

Now you are in this for over $1100, for a system that likely won't be any faster than current Core 2 Quad systems that can be had for less than half that.

I'll pass until prices become reasonable.


RE: Nice motherboard
By Noya on 10/23/2008 2:19:56 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
$1100, for a system that likely won't be any faster than current Core 2 Quad systems that can be had for less than half that.


Oh, it'll be faster by 10-20%, but is it worth over double the price for 99% of gamers out there? Of course not.


RE: Nice motherboard
By KC7SWH on 10/23/2008 4:05:13 PM , Rating: 2
Why 3 sticks of DDR3?
I thought it had 3 channels with 2 sticks per channel.


RE: Nice motherboard
By dubldwn on 10/23/2008 6:01:52 PM , Rating: 2
The triple channel kits will come with three sticks, usually 3GB or 6GB.


FTW?
By jadeskye on 10/23/2008 12:50:28 PM , Rating: 2
Evga can't be serious. FTW? for the win?

ugh x_x somebody in marketing needs to be shot.




RE: FTW?
By bhieb on 10/23/2008 12:54:45 PM , Rating: 2
Just replying to agree cuz I accidentally hit not worth reading instead of worth.


RE: FTW?
By jadeskye on 10/23/2008 12:56:51 PM , Rating: 2
<3


RE: FTW?
By dajeepster on 10/23/2008 2:06:00 PM , Rating: 3
For The Weak?!!...

j/k :D


RE: FTW?
By FITCamaro on 10/23/2008 2:18:33 PM , Rating: 5
For The Wealthy


RE: FTW?
By Beno on 10/23/2008 11:42:47 PM , Rating: 2
ahahah loved the last one


By Sahkuhnder on 10/23/2008 1:01:08 PM , Rating: 2
Overclockers will appreciate the external rear panel CMOS clear button

Yes! I hope this becomes a common feature on MBs.




By Sahkuhnder on 10/23/2008 1:15:57 PM , Rating: 2
You bring up a good point. It's a shame that things need to be made idiot-resistant.

I'm just tried of years of tiny, hard to see, inaccessible jumpers.

Perhaps have the button on the inside of the case?


By theapparition on 10/23/2008 2:53:39 PM , Rating: 3
Completely agree with the original posters suggestion that this would be a nightmare, and also sympathize with you that everything has to be made idiot proof.

But if you get so fed up with those jumpers, $10 and you're local radio shack are all you need to make a custom switch that does the same function. Mount that switch someplace on your computer and you're set.


By Etern205 on 10/23/2008 5:24:17 PM , Rating: 2
The Asus Maximus and Rampage Formula/Extreme has a switch on the board which disables the clear CMOS button to prevent users from accidentally reseting their bios.


By Gzus666 on 10/23/2008 2:23:31 PM , Rating: 2
They would most likely label it and it will most likely only be in enthusiast boards. Usually people who spend the time building the PC will at least have enough sense to figure out what the CMOS reset button is for.


Can use SLI?
By elegault on 10/23/2008 12:50:51 PM , Rating: 2
Funny how SLI can suddenly be enabled without an nforce chip.




RE: Can use SLI?
By diego10arg on 10/23/2008 1:10:54 PM , Rating: 4
quote:
Just buying the X58 chipset and building a board doesn’t allow a manufacturer to enable SLI on the X58. The board has to be certified for manufacturer by NVIDIA before an activation key for SLI will be granted.


Quoted from http://www.dailytech.com/NVIDIA+will+Enable+SLI+on...


voltage
By Beno on 10/23/2008 12:51:14 PM , Rating: 2
is the memory voltage bound to the cpu on this board?




RE: voltage
By dajeepster on 10/23/2008 2:09:46 PM , Rating: 2
no... but the data that goes to the cpu from the memory will be at a higher voltage level and that higher potential could damage the cpu... imho


RE: voltage
By Gzus666 on 10/23/2008 2:25:21 PM , Rating: 2
The memory controller will be integrated in the processor on the i7 just like AMD does.


By 3DoubleD on 10/23/2008 4:10:00 PM , Rating: 2
How do they expect people to mount an aftermarket cooler on that board, look at those insanely tall heatsinks around the CPU socket. Think of all the blood that will be spilled trying to push the stupid pins in?? (I hate those pins so much, worst design ever)

Of course the socket is bigger that before, so perhaps the picture is misleading.




By brandonicus on 10/23/2008 5:32:44 PM , Rating: 2
My thoughts exactly! My fingers hurt just thinking about it :(
Btw does anyone know if these boards will accept socket 775 heatsinks? From the looks of the picture I am assuming yes.


By Alpha4 on 10/23/2008 5:55:26 PM , Rating: 2
I agree that some motherboard designs don't show a lot of foresight for aftermarket CPU coolers, but I think the picture is a little mis-leading in this case. There seems to be a generous gap between the CPU socket & the Northbridge cooler if you look carefully.

Also, as the capacitor heatsync stands, this should at least allow one of those tall, narrow-profile coolers to be installed, such as the Thermalright Ultra 120.
(http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/220499/Thermalrigh...

In any case, if the EVGA Striker II Formula is anything to go by then Northbridge chips are becoming more burdensome to cool than CPUs, because the damn thing idles at 66 degrees celcius in my system. I think those coolers aren't going anywhere, unless moving the memory controller to the CPU alleviates some of that heat... Can anyone confirm?


Large.
By JSP45 on 10/23/2008 3:00:45 PM , Rating: 2
Huge. Looks nice tho.




RE: Large.
By gramboh on 10/23/2008 6:32:33 PM , Rating: 2
That's what she said


XFire
By gumbi18 on 10/23/2008 7:48:51 PM , Rating: 2
I wonder if x58 board's also support XFire as well as SLI.
It would be interesting to see. And IMHO great for those stuck on the fence wondering which graphics card path to take if they want to run multiple cards.




RE: XFire
By AlexTRoopeR on 10/23/2008 8:38:57 PM , Rating: 2
Yes they do!


X58
By AlexTRoopeR on 10/23/2008 8:40:29 PM , Rating: 2
Shouldn't X58 be a single chip solution? And if so what’s with the ICH10R here?




RE: X58
By Ananke on 10/23/2008 9:40:14 PM , Rating: 2
I play Crysis on 24" 1920x1080 everything high, no AA /no sense, it doesn't make noticable difference/ on Radeon 4870 1Gb. The picture and physics are PHOTOREALISTIC. You can't see anything close to this on a console. The most expensive part in building similar computer is the video card. Essentially, you can even use basic and very stable components, and the total would be in the 500 dollars range. Same as Playstation. The games of course cost twice LESS for PC, and are often on sale :)


USB 3.0
By Alias1431 on 10/23/2008 11:51:54 AM , Rating: 2
Where is it? I want it!




Very nice...
By troublesome08 on 10/23/2008 12:06:51 PM , Rating: 2
Looks good, I am interested to see how it fairs in price and performance compared to the new Asus Rampage boards...




No more NForce Chipsets...
By pauldovi on 10/23/2008 12:49:51 PM , Rating: 2
Means more expensive Intel chipsets.

I was never a fan of NForce chipsets but at least they provided competition.




Get tech facts straight!
By androticus on 10/23/2008 10:01:13 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Intel will use new QuickPath technology to compete directly against AMD's HyperTransport on-chip memory controller.


This is completely inaccurate. QuickPath is analogous to HyperTransport, but those are BOTH distinct from the on-chip memory controllers. QP and HT in this kind of system are only used to connect the CPU to the Southbridge for I/O. On multi-socket systems, additional QP or HT interconnects act as high-speed inter-chip connects and enable far memory access (i.e. from another chip's pool of RAM.)




By Cypherdude1 on 10/24/2008 5:08:50 AM , Rating: 2
Lots of new Intel Nehalem Socket 1366 motherboards will be out soon. Here's a link to some sneak peeks:
http://www.pcstats.com/articleview.cfm?articleID=2...

Notice how Abit and Asus have 4 x PCIex16 slots in addition to other slots? There's also a new GigaByte not shown on that page which has 4 x PCIex16, 2 x PCIex4, and a PCI slot along with 6 RAM slots. It looks like the Intel X58 is going to finally have a full complement of expansion slots and lots of RAM.

Hopefully Windows 7 will only arrive in a 64-bit version and 32-bit will finally be dropped. This will force manufacturers to write 64-bit drivers. Since many X58 boards will have 6 RAM slots and 32-bit Windows can only recognize 3.5 GB's, a 64-bit O/S is virtually required.

Finally, let's hope that the mobo makers for the more expensive boards haven't gotten cheap again by using a cheap crappy eSATA controller like the one Asus puts on their top-of-the-line P5E64 WS Evolution motherboard: the "Marvell 88SE6145" SATA/PATA controller. If you use a Silicon Image Sil3124 or Sil3132 controller, you can connect an eSATA 5 Port Multiplier to it:
Addonics Page:
http://tinyurl.com/546ryq

AMUG Review:
http://tinyurl.com/4yvmgr

SATA-IO Paper:
http://www.sata-io.org/portmultiplier.asp




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