Source: U.S. Environmental Protection Agency
quote: Just another way Obama can make fuel less affordable and alternatives more attractive.
quote: You blindly cheer completely bunk attempts at science if they support your views:
quote: Is there a peer reviewed paper of yours somewhere I can read?
quote: Yup I did :) Hell I barely even read his post. It just went against the prevailing Liberal suckfest I'm apposed to, so I supported it. Proudly.
quote: Why are you so doggedly anti-science?
quote: These are not wild claims of health impact. The US is a nation of over 300M people, with 2.5M people dying per year, and 20M living with asthma. They're claiming ~0.1% impact in the long run.
quote: We make tradeoffs between costs and lives/health all the time in everyday life. This is simply another one.
quote: I love your delusional, hypocritical rantings. They're delightful.
quote: Can you possibly answer the following:If man-made Global warming is a myth, and we make steps to do something about it, what do we lose?
quote: If man-made Global warming is real, and we make steps to do something about it, what do we gain?
quote: This requirement isn't about preventing deaths from SO2 poisoning of humans, it's about preventing human deaths caused by SO2 poisoning of catalytic converters.Sulfur in the exhaust reduces the effectiveness of catalytic converters. Reducing the sulfur flowing over the catalyst substrate keeps the converter working better, longer, keeping smog out of the air.
quote: Lots of people in localities with regular exhaust system testing can tell you from firsthand experience that catalysts don't necessarily outlast the vehicle.
quote: In case my statement wasn't clear enough, I agree with you that nobody is dying from excessive SO2 inhalation from cars. Occasionally people complain about the smell. SO2 isn't the pollutant being blamed for deaths, but controlling it is the key to the claimed health benefits of this change. It's that tricky catalytic chemistry, so you have to be knowledgeable and think your way through it.
quote: P.S.- there's a subtext here for someone that hates Obama and green regulations and unions and Government Motors to pick up on if you're clever enough to spot it...... ;)
quote: Charles T. Drevna, president of the American Fuel and Petrochemical Manufacturers, which lobbies for the oil refining industry, said that the rule comes on top of a series of other burdensome regulations. A decade ago, American gasoline contained 300 parts per million of sulfur, but earlier rules required refiners to cut the sulfur content by 90 percent, down to the current 30 parts per million. Mr. Drevna said it was easier to comply with the earlier regulations because removing the first 90 percent of sulfur molecules from gasoline can be done without difficulty. Wringing the last 10 percent of those molecules is harder. “They’re tough little buggers that don’t want to come out,” Mr. Drevna said. “It’s like getting the last little bit of red wine stain out of a white blouse.” Asked about the E.P.A.’s estimate that the rule would raise prices at the pump by less than a penny a gallon, Mr. Drevna laughed out loud. “I don’t know what model E.P.A. uses,” he said. “The math doesn’t add up.” His industry’s estimate that the rule could raise gasoline prices by up to 9 cents a gallon comes from a study by the American Petroleum Institute, which lobbies for oil companies.
quote: they do have an average expected life of 100k to 150k miles
quote: You have to replace it eventually just like anything else.
quote: Besides your exhaust note is a lot raspier without cats on the car.
quote: Can you imagine trying to find and remove 20 of 30 grains of light colored sand from 999,970 grains of dark colored sand?
quote: How exactly will cutting sulfur reduce soot and smog. By stopping catalytic converter clogging? Please. You're supposed to replace the converter every so often anyway. Going from 30 parts per million to 10 is hardly a noticeable reduction.
quote: We're talking a 0.002% reduction in sulfur
quote: You can't dismiss a 66% reduction just because it's a tiny number.
quote: Do you know how bad your water would taste if it had 30 ppm hydrogen sulfide?
quote: So what? You can't dismiss a 66% reduction just because it's a tiny number.
quote: Do you know how bad your water would taste if it had 30 ppm hydrogen sulfide? It smells like rotten egg and corrodes your pipes at only 2 ppm:
quote: What's your basis for saying they're ridiculously high? The famed TDI engines from VW get very average emissions (Tier 2 Bin 5) compared to gas engines. Yes, particulate emission standards were a hurdle for diesel cars coming to the US. But high sulfur content of US fuel was also a problem for Euro emission systems.
quote: As an example, most diesel sold in western countries is ULSD (ultra low sulphur), where it's defined as 15 ppm. Now that the US has sulfur similar standards, diesel engines don't have to be redesigned to enter the US (hence more models becoming available). Unless you've done extensive research in the field, you have no basis for saying a 10 ppm standard is unduly burdensome.
quote: Sulfur differs from carbon in much more meaningfully ways than color. I have to question if you even passed highschool when you're making such a ludicrous analogy. Chemical methods can eliminate impurities to less than 1 ppm in many different materials.
quote: The big ones are the North Sea (off Europe) and Louisiana/Texas. Missing are the Middle East and Venezuela - most of their oil has a high sulfur content.
quote: we can't do jack about oil prices even if we wanted to.