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Trash talk heats up between EA and Nintendo

Apparently unsatisfied with quietly pulling the plug on its support of Nintendo Comp., Ltd.'s (TYO:7974Wii U console, a top developer Electronics Arts Inc. (EA) has lashed out with a pointed attack on the company and its console.

A developer in EA Sports' Canada studio posted a series of since-delete tweets in which he called the console "crap" and joked that Nintendo was "the Walking Dead".  Bob Summerwill, a senior software engineer had posted:

The Wii U is crap. Less powerful than an Xbox 360. Poor online/store. Weird tablet.  Nintendo are walking dead at this point.

He later added:

Instead, they make this awful console.  It is an utterly intentional decision to focus our resources on markets which actually matter.

His tweet came in response to questions about EA's lack of Wii U announcements.

The Wii U initially sold well during the Holiday 2012 season, but has since struggled with sinking sales.

Facing financial and image problems of its own, EA's corporate chiefs have looked to distance themselves somewhat from the developer comments.  In a statement to Kotaku, EA's PR department writes:

EA has a strong partnership and an active agreement with Nintendo to develop games for the WiiU. Last year we released Mass Effect 3 and several of our EA Sports titles on that platform. So far, we have not announced any new titles for Wii U this year, but that does not preclude more games in the future.

EA also confirmed it would not be releasing Madden NFL 25 or its latest version of FIFA for the console this year.

The Twitter controversy mirrors somewhat Microsoft Corp.'s (MSFT) creative director Adam Orth, who in April told fans to "deal with" DRM, and proceeded to insult multiple U.S. cities saying he didn't know why people "would want to live there".  Those comments led to an apology from Microsoft and Mr. Orth's firing.  It is unclear whether Mr. Summerwill is still at EA; however, EA Canada is already scheduled for layoffs, so Mr. Summerwill could be in trouble.

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By Motoman on 5/20/2013 11:39:51 AM , Rating: 5
Nintendo is "the Walking Dead"; Wii U is "Crap"

...considering EA has won the Worst Company in America award 2 years in a row, and is laying off people like crazy all over the place...

...and how all their major games are literally just re-hashes of the same f%cking thing they put out 10 years ago (*cough*Madden*cough*)...

...and how much everyone hates them for their DRM and microtransaciton sh1t..

Maybe Nintendo is sucking it up at the moment. But no one sucks harder than EA.

RE: Ironic
By GulWestfale on 5/20/2013 12:02:45 PM , Rating: 2
it is true that EA sucks, but the man has a point. the wii us is crap. maybe nontendo will release a brilliant new game on it at some point, but the system itself is still crap. i know i'm not buying one. if you add to that the fact that nintendo does not have the multi-media support or network expertise that sony and MS have, it becomes rather obvious that nintendo will struggle more and more to keep up with the other guys in the next few years. i doubt there will be more nintendo home consoles after this one. maybe they will focus on mobile systems entirely, or go the way of sega... and as a third-party developer, outsell EA 10 to 1 :)

RE: Ironic
By Labotomizer on 5/20/2013 12:17:45 PM , Rating: 3
Nintendo would be a crazy successful 3rd party developer but they would be limited by the hardware vision of the other console makers. Which consists of faster, faster, faster. Kinect has some promise I suppose, although I know that's not a popular gaming viewpoint. Nintendo likes to come up with innovative hardware that their games can leverage.

As for the weak launch titles, that's something we can all agree on. Nintendo was trying to give 3rd party developers a window of opportunity and that back fired on them, again. We'll have Super Smash Bros, a 3D Mario and Mario Kart all this year supposedly. Bringing Namco in to help develop Smash Bros could bring some interesting twists to it and should speed up development. Next year we should have Metroid and Zelda, hopefully. And I'm still dying to know what exactly Retro has been up to the last two years.

I have a Wii U, so far it's been an okay investment. It was for my daughter and she plays it from time to time, although not as much as the 3DS, and uses it for Netflix and Hulu. So was it a waste? No. But the next two years is what will make or break the system. And I have a feeling it will be just fine even if it's not a massive success like the Wii was.

RE: Ironic
By melgross on 5/20/13, Rating: 0
RE: Ironic
By spamreader1 on 5/20/2013 1:59:04 PM , Rating: 2
The DS sales shift is understandable though. There was this paradigm shift called smartphones, and parents buying them for kids instead of gaming only devices. My kids have DS's, but the demographic is different as they're all under 14. I have no reason to hand them a full blown cell phone yet.

To the console side, I wasn't that impressed with the wii, I do own one, but admittedly am less impressed with the wii u. I'm still confused how the new controller can increase enjoyable game play, it seems more of a heavy distraction than anything.

RE: Ironic
By Fallen Kell on 5/20/2013 2:59:00 PM , Rating: 2
Nintendo had a fairly long run of success. But time has run out for them.

It is way, way too early to say Nintendo is dead. People said that when they released the GameCube. They said it again when they released the Wii. They said it before when they released the VirtualBoy. Something that people do not take into account is the fact that they DO NOT SUBSIDIZE THEIR HARDWARE! They never have, and they don't plan too either. This way they never run into the situation of say Sony and the PS3 linux update fiasco where Sony removed functionality that they advertized and sold hardware with from existing customers because a bunch of people realized they could make a real cheap supercomputer out of a bunch of networked PS3's (all the while Sony was footing the bill of losing $100-200 per PS3 used in that way).

Nintendo has more than enough funds in the bank to survive multiple missteps. This has been the case for the last 20+ years of operations at Nintendo. They have always made sure they can survive one or more "flops". And that said, the Wii was far from a misstep. Their portable line is under fire from iOS and Android devices, and may be getting closer to the end of the line, but the consoles on the other hand is still a viable market, and Nintendo will not abandon that market.

Nintendo is over 120 years old. They have been in business longer than Sony and Microsoft combined. Yes, the WiiU appears to be a flop. They were hoping that the tablet interface might be the next thing, but it was simply a dead-end. They will move on by pulling out one of the alternative designs they had, update it, and will probably have it on the market in 2 years.

RE: Ironic
By karimtemple on 5/20/2013 3:05:06 PM , Rating: 2

*Phones are no threat to Nintendo handheld. Handheld was always a hardcore segment. Hardcore gamers aren't going to play very many games without buttons. With a big enough screen, you can pull off a good RTS or something similar, but that's about the gist of that. Most other hardcore gametypes want buttons.

The actual-system-with-buttons market is still crazy sparse for Android.

RE: Ironic
By GulWestfale on 5/20/2013 1:08:28 PM , Rating: 2
but the other consoles are better, so how would this limit nintendo?

RE: Ironic
By Labotomizer on 5/20/2013 1:28:41 PM , Rating: 2
I suppose that all depends on how you define "better". Graphics? If you're talking the next iteration of consoles from Sony and MS, then yes, the graphics will be better. Controls? They seem to be about the same as they were 10+ years ago. Outside of the second analog stick neither have done anything new control-wise since the N64. Kinect, which I think has potential for better game interaction, is a failure by most gaming standards. And v1 wasn't that great, so they have a point.

Of course my PC will likely still be more powerful than either the PS4 or the new Xbox and it hasn't had a major upgrade in well over a year. And there aren't any experiences that the other two consoles, besides a few exclusives that I really don't care that much about, that the PC doesn't. The Nintendo consoles offer experiences completely different from Xbox/PS/PC. So in that regard it's better.

And it would limit Nintendo because of the lack of innovation on the control front.

RE: Ironic
By GulWestfale on 5/20/2013 1:32:24 PM , Rating: 1
the wii just had a motion sensor in its control stick, not exactly new or innovative. and now the PS3 has the same tech, so what am i missing here? i tried out a wii u in a store, and the controller is laughable bad. the buttons are the same as 10+ years ago, and there's a huge, mostly useless screen on there that makes it heavy and awkward to hold. what were they thinking developers can do with this? i really don't know.

and, if the "secondary screen" thing takes off, what is stopping MS and sony from linking their consoles to your existing smartphone/tablet through bluetooth?

RE: Ironic
By chrnochime on 5/20/2013 2:04:05 PM , Rating: 2
Nothing. Except you wouldn't have all the controls on the sides of the screen and thus must rely solely on the touch screen itself. Ever tried doing something that demand analog controls on touch-screen? How did that work out?

RE: Ironic
By Belard on 5/23/2013 9:08:40 PM , Rating: 2
Thing is, Nintendo has options. With SONY - it has the MOVE controllers which are more accurate than the Wii's. With the soon-to-fail Xbox1, they have kinetics, so the kids could enjoy actually JUMPING to make Mario JUMP (until they get tired and injure themselves).

The Wii-U is too expensive for what it is. The Xbox360 with 4GB sells for $200. The Wii-U has about the same performance as the 7+ year old 360/PS3. They did well with the Wii with its previous-tech GameCube tech because they added the new interface and sold it for $200.

The tablet for the Wii-U seems complicated and confusing... its like the developers (only Nintendo it seems) have to come up with ways to make use of it.

The Wii-U isn't crap.... its over-priced for what it is. They should have made a Wii2 console. Almost just like the Wii, but with better controls and the graphics it has now for the $200 price.

A brand new Wii starts at $100 nowadays.

RE: Ironic
By karimtemple on 5/20/2013 12:22:34 PM , Rating: 2
A console is just a console. You put games on it (or you don't). The tweets have no defense. If they instead said "there's no way to make the control system really fun," then there'd be a viable argument.

RE: Ironic
By Motoman on 5/20/2013 12:46:23 PM , Rating: 2
I've stated before that although I was a huge fan of the original Wii, the Wii U just has me scratching my head.

I don't get the tablet controller thing. Maybe it'll be helpful if/when they start letting mobile type games on it like Angry Birds...but then again, you can already play those games on your phone - and I doubt anyone would by a Wii U *because* they can play Angry Birds on it.

At the moment the only real value I see in the Wii U is as a minor upgrade from the Wii for HD resolution support. Which isn't worth much - especially considering the Wii's market.

We have a Wii, an XBox 360, and a couple previous gen consoles laying around. Only the Wii ever gets used - and then only when company wants to play Mario Kart or something. Other than that...all consoles are dead weight around here. PC gaming FTW.

RE: Ironic
By karimtemple on 5/20/2013 1:02:16 PM , Rating: 2
Nobody gets the tablet controller. However, there are a few points to be made:

One, someone could surprise us. That someone was supposed to be Nintendo, and they were supposed to do so at launch, but oh well. I never expected much from Wii U anyway lol, I'm just making the point.

Two, the update is only "minor" if you compare it to PC and, to a much lesser extent, PS3/360. It's more powerful than the current other two, and that makes it far more powerful than the Wii. If the Wii was already 'good enough,' it's still a pretty swell idea to update it 6 years later.

Three, I didn't like the Wii either. I think gesture controls are mostly just gimmick and I hated the low-res nature of the hardware. I love [the idea of] what Nintendo stands for however and I appreciate that even their bad* ideas exist.

*according to me =p

RE: Ironic
By BRB29 on 5/20/2013 2:09:29 PM , Rating: 2
You really wonder what they did with all that money they made off the Wii. Their games selection and launch was quite stale even months after initial sales.

RE: Ironic
By karimtemple on 5/20/2013 2:49:22 PM , Rating: 2
I'm starting to think they just don't have "it" anymore (which is scary!!). There aren't a lot of other explanations. This sort of thing tends to happen with companies; one person in a group (or one group, or one person per several groups, etc.) is the real source of inspiration or the only one doing the actual work that matters... then that person goes away. Or their role changes and their level of influence changes with it. And it happens quietly, so spectators are all just left wondering "What the hell happened?"

Somebody left the company.

RE: Ironic
By Fallen Kell on 5/20/2013 3:06:40 PM , Rating: 2
They pushed to hit the holiday shopping season, but the developers couldn't push their projects as fast as the hardware team could. That was the reason. And now the internal development teams have actually been pushing in the other direction because they know that they are pretty much the only thing that can save the platform, and thus, the games have to be polished products.

RE: Ironic
By inperfectdarkness on 5/20/2013 6:30:41 PM , Rating: 1
I disagree. The Wii U specs are quite adept at 1080p gaming--and as we all have collectively voted that resolutions above 1080p are irrelevant, there should be no point of contention here.

As to "multimedia support"? Wii U will play netflix just as well as any other console. The future is digital media; streaming. Hardware compatibility is just another way to jack up per-unit costs. Hell, it's the reason why Sony nixed the hardware backwards compatibility in the PS3.

If you can levy ONE argument against Nintendo's console offerings, it would have to be online gaming support. And quite honestly, I don't even see this as an issue; I'd much rather multiplayer game on my PC than a console.

Nintendo's Achilles heel--as it appears to have been for the past 15 years--is 3rd party support. N64 suffered. GCN suffered worse. Wii was even worse than that. And Virtual Console went from an exceptionally awesome concept to an epic failure. And you know what? Even with VC's abysmal selection, even with the lack of 3rd party developers who actually give 2-shits about using what nintendo has & making it shine (my god, I remember when the world was stunned at Rare squeezing DKC out of the SNES)--even with all of that, I'd still plunk down 200 bones + the cost of games--just so I can play mario & zelda.

It's SO much easier to justify spending money on Nintendo than $60 each for a painted-over rehash of last-year's already watered-down remakes.

RE: Ironic
By StevoLincolnite on 5/20/2013 8:00:39 PM , Rating: 2
I disagree. The Wii U specs are quite adept at 1080p gaming--and as we all have collectively voted that resolutions above 1080p are irrelevant, there should be no point of contention here.

Except most games for the Wii U, PS3 and Xbox 360 aren't even 1080P, usually they're 720P or lower and then upscaled.

RE: Ironic
By inperfectdarkness on 5/21/2013 1:23:11 AM , Rating: 2
That's a software side issue, not a hardware issue. Even so, it just proves the point. The days of distinguishing between consoles based on hardware performance is over; software is the bottleneck.

RE: Ironic
By SlyNine on 5/21/2013 2:06:45 AM , Rating: 2
"The Wii U specs are quite adept at 1080p gaming"

Really, then why are the games running at 720... If it would push the games at 1080 no problem it would be trivial to set the game to run at that resolution.

It very well could be a hardware issue.

RE: Ironic
By tfk11 on 5/21/2013 1:14:59 PM , Rating: 2
That's a software side issue, not a hardware issue.

Games are written to render at a lower resolutions only because the hardware isn't able to keep up at higher resolutions. The issue is entirely caused by the graphics rendering hardware.

RE: Ironic
By BRB29 on 5/20/2013 1:04:48 PM , Rating: 4
it's irony simply because the walking dead show is very successful

lol EA
By BRB29 on 5/20/2013 11:45:45 AM , Rating: 5
EA should look in the mirror sometimes. They destroyed games and developers. The Wii U is a success in comparison.

EA =
By Cheesew1z69 on 5/20/2013 11:49:51 AM , Rating: 5
Exceptionally Arrogant

Of course
By Rookierookie on 5/20/2013 12:44:46 PM , Rating: 5
EA must know a lot about how being dead feels like, obviously.

By The0ne on 5/20/2013 11:51:07 AM , Rating: 2
Console is crap?
Weird tablet?

I don't think this person knows what he is talking about. Nintendo's biggest mistake, again, is that they've release the system with almost no game support. They obviously didn't learn their mistake and it is again showing. I'm not sympathetic this time around due to this but using my disappointment to make those kinds of statements he did is ignorant.

By trajik78 on 5/21/2013 8:47:22 AM , Rating: 2
The NHL gets more and more in game advertising every year...and we still have to pay $60 for it. That is unacceptable. Believe you me, if I had any other choice in hockey game for my PS3 id snatch it up.

Who didn't see this coming?
By StanO360 on 6/11/2013 4:20:33 PM , Rating: 2
Have you seen any Wii that wasn't dusty with two or three games next to it?

People bit on the Wii because of the price point, but kids and teenagers didn't. The Wii U, even if it was good, will not stop the "I want an XBox instead(or PS4)".

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