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It took so long because its original but it'll make millions in first two days says 3DRealms

By now, almost every gamer has heard about Duke Nukem Forever (DNF), a title that was herald as the next great first person shooter. The game was suppose to be released back in the 90's and was suppose to be the hot successor to Duke Nukem 3D -- a game that became a classic in its own right. DNF arguably had a lot to live up to. Duke 3D had become a pop culture icon, with the protagonist throwing out memorable lines during a fire fight and the game itself delivering a unique style of game play.

It's now eight years later and with an investment of nearly $8M USD, DNF is still not finished -- but it's almost done, says Scott Miller, CEO of 3D Realms. In an interview with The Hollywood Reporter, Miller explains that his company focuses on original IP, or intellectual property. This is to say that 3D Realms develops only original game ideas and game content. The company does not take ideas out of movies, or any other type of source to develop their games. We won't be seeing a Spiderman game, an X-Men game, a Matrix game, or any sort of Hollywood rip-off here; just original creativity says Miller, and this is why it's taking DNF so long to be released.   When asked by THR if a game should take as long as DNF took to complete, Miller responded "It shouldn't. And I'm dumbfounded myself. A huge part of the problem is that it's really hard hiring good developers to come to Dallas. This place used to be a hotbed of game development. But, nowadays, people seem to want to go to Austin instead. Plus we have this reputation now -- that our games don't ever come out, so ... "

Miller also speaks about 3D Realm's other greatly anticipated game, Prey. The game is another 3D first person shooter but is much further along in its release schedule than DNF. In fact, Miller says that Prey was under development for nearly 4.5 years. According to 3D Realms, Prey will be available for both the XBOX 360 and the PC.

Update 05/12/2006: The title and summary have been corrected to better reflect Miller's statements.




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Ripoffs
By CKDragon on 5/13/2006 4:16:15 PM , Rating: 3
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The company does not take ideas out of movies, or any other type of source to develop their games.


BULL! So many of the humorous lines that Duke recited were from the Evil Dead/Army of Darkness series. Bruce Campbell himself once spoke about how they ripped him and the script of those movies off. Bunch of liars.

Hail to the REAL King, baby.

CK




RE: Ripoffs
By Griswold on 5/13/2006 4:34:56 PM , Rating: 2
Oh yea, that really sucks. They took a few lines from a bunch of movies. There goes my illusion. Now all I have left to believe in, is all the original gameplay ideas that are being copied by others to this very day.


RE: Ripoffs
By wien on 5/13/2006 4:58:07 PM , Rating: 2
Oh god, not this again... Those were supposed to be humorous references to his damn movies. There's also references to a bunch of other movies in Dukes comments. The guy should be honored someone actually liked his work enough to do that, not complaining about being "ripped off".


RE: Ripoffs
By CKDragon on 5/14/2006 2:07:33 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Those were supposed to be humorous references to his damn movies.


Sorry, I didn't realize you had a close enough connection with the developer to know what the intention was behind the actions...

I don't understand why you think someone should be honored to have their copyrighted material ripped off, but I'm hardly a stakeholder in the situation.

It's just stupid for him to specifically claim that 3Drealms does not take content from movies when he's obviously "referenced" other people's material in the past. Do you not agree?

CK


RE: Ripoffs
By MrSmurf on 5/14/2006 8:44:50 AM , Rating: 1
Perhaps he read an interview back in the day?

Since when is every line in a movie or TV show copyrighted?

You sir are a moron and I bet he'll agree with that.

Carry on.


RE: Ripoffs
By wien on 5/14/2006 11:48:53 AM , Rating: 2
I have close connections inside 3DRealms HQ through my good friend Mr. Intarweb: http://forums.3drealms.com/vb/showthread.php?t=321.... Post #1 is Bruce Campbell's original comment on Duke, and #47 is a reply from Charlie Wiederhold, a 3DRealms employee. (The formatting is a bit off due to 3DRealms switching forum software.) Basically 4 out of 79 one-liners in Duke3D were taken from Bruce, and as you can plainly see, they were meant as a homage to/parody of his movies.

Ever heard of this guy Wierd.. Al, or something? Rumour has it he rips off hard working musicians' songs, changes the lyrics a bit, and then releases them as his own. You should get right on that!


RE: Ripoffs
By st0rmie on 5/25/2006 5:23:22 PM , Rating: 2
"..and as you can plainly see, they were meant as a homage to/parody of his movies."

Oh, I agree 100%. There's absolutely nothing wrong with referencing a few one-liners in tribute to someone.

But there IS something uniquely ridiculous about doing so, offending the actor you're paying homage to in the process, and then saying "the company does not take ideas out of movies, or any other type of source to develop their games" and that your game ideas are "just original creativity" and nothing else.


RE: Ripoffs
By BaronMatrix on 5/14/2006 12:48:26 PM , Rating: 2
You can't patent a line from a movie. Especially if hte line can be said in many different situations. Arnold can't stop anyone from saying "I'll be back." That's why Scary Movie can do whatever they want. Now they can't record the line and play it, though.


As far as DNF, I saw a preview of it on Ars. They say it will be played in a browser window using Ajax. They also said that it took so long because they changed engines 3 times and then came up with a proprietary one.

Supposedly the strippers are there and they are even hotter than before.


RE: Ripoffs
By patentman on 5/15/2006 8:54:31 AM , Rating: 2
You can't patent a simple phrase because its nota machine method of manufacture, process, product etc.... as required by 35 U.S.C. 101. MOreover, its highly unlikely you could even copyright a simple phrase like "I'll be back" because the U.S. copyright office is very coincerned with "tying up the English language" by allowing these types of phrases to be copyrighted.

As fpor the strippers in DNF, I sure as hell hope they look better thent the pixelated sprites in DN. And not that graphics are the be all and end all, but in a modern shooter, unless the game is designed to look completely unrealistic (e.g. XIII), I want at least some eye candy. It would be very humorous to me if everyone got all up in arms about DNF coming out and then it has graphics vaunting circa 1999 technology.


RE: Ripoffs
By on 5/14/2006 2:14:17 PM , Rating: 2
The hilarious thing about that quote is that the original Duke 3D game was made famous by replacing the unique fantasy ("original") levels of Doom with mundane everyday locations to enhance the feeling of alien invasion. Locations like Movie Theater and Hamburger Restaurant. Some of Duke's catch phrases were "original" too, except for the tiny fact they were ripped from Bruce Campbell and Clint Eastwood flicks.

Now don't get me wrong, I loved the original Duke3D game. It is a classic. But for them to claim it took this many years because of creating "original" content is silly. Worse, if DNF isn't spoofing pop culture icons it just won't be as good of a game. Anyway, I'm not holding my breathe that DNF actually gets released.

(Still remembering that favorite Bubblegum Crisis mod for Duke3D. Loved those Knight Sabers ladies.)


amazing!
By secretanchitman on 5/13/2006 4:13:32 PM , Rating: 2
wow i cant believe it! its ACTUALLY coming out soon!




RE: amazing!
By GonzoDaGr8 on 5/13/2006 4:14:51 PM , Rating: 2
Lol.. This is gonna be a good thread to read.....


RE: amazing!
By Exodus220 on 5/13/2006 4:16:51 PM , Rating: 4
I don't know what your definition of soon is, but I still don't see a release date yet. But sure soon could be used because I have heard the end of the world is coming soon too, so we will just have to see which comes first.


RE: amazing!
By PT2006 on 5/13/2006 4:21:18 PM , Rating: 4
It was always my prediction that DNF would line up with the return of planet X, the end of the Mayan calendar, the Tempest, Y2K, martian or lunar landings, the return of Xenu, or Chulthu's first sign.

I just didn't say which one.


RE: amazing!
By clementlim on 5/13/2006 9:35:09 PM , Rating: 2
Woot! I will be able to play it once Windows 2020 comes out with GeForce M20 series...I have waited for so long, so a couple of decades wouldn't hurt...


Crappy news post?
By Sho on 5/13/2006 4:52:16 PM , Rating: 2
Here's the interview in question, it would appear: http://biz.gamedaily.com/industry/feature/?id=1268...

Note that it contains the statement quoted in the news post.

(a) Miller doesn't utter the word "soon" once in the entire transcript.

(b) The interview was with Paul Hyman from The Hollywood Reporter, not GameDaily.

Care to explain this, Tuan?




RE: Crappy news post?
By Sho on 5/13/2006 4:58:17 PM , Rating: 2
(Note: The news post has just been changed to say "The Hollywood Reporter".)


RE: Crappy news post?
By Tuan Nguyen on 5/13/2006 4:59:07 PM , Rating: 2
Sorry. Fixed for clarity.


Tuan


RE: Crappy news post?
By Sho on 5/13/2006 5:00:29 PM , Rating: 2
Thank you, but Miller still doesn't say anything about the game being almost done in the interview :).


RE: Crappy news post?
By shadowzz on 5/13/2006 5:02:57 PM , Rating: 2
"...once it comes out, if it's as successful as we think it'll be, we'll make that money back in the first day or two of sales."

seems like hes talking about the launch to me


RE: Crappy news post?
By Sho on 5/13/2006 5:05:21 PM , Rating: 2
Sure, but "once it comes out" equates to "when it's done", not "we're almost there".


RE: Crappy news post?
By dali71 on 5/14/2006 2:13:00 AM , Rating: 2
"The game was suppose to be released back in the 90's and was suppose to be the hot successor to Duke Nukem 3D"

While you're editing the article, you should be aware that the past tense of suppose is supposed .


?
By Leyland on 5/13/2006 4:30:09 PM , Rating: 5
what've they been waiting for? christmas?




RE: ?
By Samus on 5/13/2006 5:24:04 PM , Rating: 3
christmas. 2010 style.


RE: ?
By Scrogneugneu on 5/13/2006 6:09:25 PM , Rating: 2
They wait for a perfect launch : right before Christmas, but when no other big title is coming out.


prey since 5 years?
By thesid on 5/13/2006 4:34:24 PM , Rating: 2
well isnt prey based on doom 3 engine??
if yes.. doom wasnt there for them to develop on.. 5 years ago././




RE: prey since 5 years?
By ksherman on 5/13/2006 4:42:18 PM , Rating: 2
the DOOM engine might have been ready for developers 5 years ago


RE: prey since 5 years?
By Griswold on 5/13/2006 4:43:31 PM , Rating: 2
They've changed the engine once or twice during development (much like they did with DNF) which most likely was part of the reason why it took so long.

Prey started out as a true 3drealms title until they scrapped it about 7 years ago - a few years later, Human Head picked it up and finished it with 3drealms blessings.

The 4-5 years he is talking about was either the timeframe it took Human Head to do the job or its a massive understatement, because the prey idea has been in the works for almost as long as DNF.

All this info and more can be found at 3drealms site and forum.


RE: prey since 5 years?
By wien on 5/13/2006 5:01:26 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
because the prey idea has been in the works for almost as long as DNF.
Longer in fact.. There's some Prey content on the Duke3D CD IIRC.


System Requirements
By Deadalus on 5/13/2006 6:19:17 PM , Rating: 2
I hear you are going to need at least a Voodoo 3 3000 to get the best performance ;-)




RE: System Requirements
By PrinceGaz on 5/13/2006 7:05:33 PM , Rating: 2
So long as it doesn't actually require a graphics-card with 3D acceleration I'll be happy. There's no reason to have to upgrade from a perfectly decent Trio64 just to play a new game ;)


RE: System Requirements
By jkostans on 5/13/2006 7:22:15 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah look at unreal, colored lights and alpha transparency in software mode! 3d accelerators are just a gimmick that will be outdone by onboard video solutions.


RE: System Requirements
By st0rmie on 5/25/2006 5:25:36 PM , Rating: 2
Tseng ET4000 all the way baby, the ultimate card for games and demos.


dnf?
By pepsimax2k on 5/14/2006 9:53:28 AM , Rating: 2
ahahaaaa... just watching the F1 racing on tv and it occured to me...

rank Acronym Meaning
****** DNF Did Not Finish (racing)
***** DNF Duke Nukem Forever
***** DNF Did Not Find
**** DNF Digital National Framework (UK)

heeheeheee... from http://www.acronymfinder.com/af-query.asp?Acronym=...




RE: dnf?
By outsider on 5/14/2006 11:31:46 AM , Rating: 2
Boy what a hard time have DNF and DNQ given me back in the DOS days. I used to play GP. We called it gpega because my PC supported only the EGA version and that was the file we had to execute. Needless to say, I had no idea of EGA, VGA etc. back then. I thought that was the title of the game. Anyway, I don't live in an english speaking coutry and we always wondered why on earth did the developers choose to represent bad luck with these 3 letters.


RE: dnf?
By outsider on 5/14/2006 11:43:55 AM , Rating: 2
Boy what a hard time have DNF and DNQ given me back in the DOS days. I used to play GP. We called it gpega because my PC supported only the EGA version and that was the file we had to execute. Needless to say, I had no idea of EGA, VGA etc. back then. I thought that was the title of the game. Anyway, I don't live in an english speaking coutry and we always wondered why on earth did the developers choose to represent bad luck with these 3 letters.
I played the game so much that in the end the only way to make it a little challenging was to play at the hardest level and put the motorcycle in 6th gear immediately and never change gears during the game.


If the comments here are anything to go by...
By Plasmoid on 5/14/2006 9:30:54 PM , Rating: 2
IF... and i stress if, DNF actually ships then it will get incredible publicity while people have 0 expectations.

I mean, half of the comments here have been "I'll eat my hat if i ever get to play it" and the other half just plain making jokes about how bad it is bound to be.

I can't think of a more perfect situation to launch a game, it's bound to sell with all the publicity and assuming it isn't awfull (and i said assuming...) it will be well recieved by those not busy eating hats, their words and humble pie.

The question arrises though as to who has been employing and bank rolling the dev team these bast 8 years...




By timmiser on 5/15/2006 1:06:09 PM , Rating: 2
"The question arrises though as to who has been employing and bank rolling the dev team these bast 8 years... "

That is exactly the question and why it has been 8 years...because there is no employees. It is a vapor-company!



Uphill Battle
By Cunthor01 on 5/13/2006 7:56:49 PM , Rating: 1
If it looks like Pray video from a week or so ago, then DNF wont be as impressive as they would like you to think. At least not in graphical terms. To make the matters worse, 3D Realms is going to be placed against Crysis (check out the screenshots, looks amazing!!), UT2007 and few other soon-to-be-groundbraking titles (and not to mention classics like Half Life 2 and Doom3). All in all, unless the gameplay becomes the main focus and not technological advancement, then this game will be rated average.




RE: Uphill Battle
By trabpukcip on 5/14/2006 9:03:52 AM , Rating: 2
At last check somewhere on the 3DRealms site it mentions that the game is currently using a heavily modified Unreal 2.5 engine.


April Fools is long past?
By bombledmonk on 5/13/2006 4:14:12 PM , Rating: 2
I'll believe it when I'm sitting with a mouse in my hand and I've started playing the game, no sooner.




DNF, forever to release.
By sieistganzfett on 5/13/2006 4:32:58 PM , Rating: 2
"Plus we have this reputation now -- that our games don't ever come out," ya, true dat!




DNF is coming!!!...
By Hypernova on 5/13/2006 6:00:44 PM , Rating: 2
yeah and so is Apocalypse.

What engine are they using again? I lost track after the 3rd.




gotta love marketing...
By WileCoyote on 5/13/2006 8:02:33 PM , Rating: 2
A Prey article wouldn't have caught my attention but of course a DNF did. They're using the notoriety of DNF to help sell their other games. This could go on for years and years - another DNF blurb/statement to help pitch their new games.




yeah...ok
By SonicIce on 5/13/2006 10:15:03 PM , Rating: 2
"It took so long because its original"
great cover up!




Name change
By timmiser on 5/14/2006 3:33:06 AM , Rating: 2
I thought they changed the name years ago to "Duke Nukem Fornever".





Launch WILL be huge
By Milliamp on 5/14/2006 4:33:57 AM , Rating: 2
Like the number 2015 :)




By theprodigalrebel on 5/14/2006 6:44:14 AM , Rating: 2
I seriously thought it must have sunk a hell lot more cash than that by now.




For Real!!??
By Sunday Ironfoot on 5/14/2006 8:36:15 AM , Rating: 2
So DNF us really coming out this time.

And in other news Hell freezes over, Osama Bin Laden is elected US president, Jesus discovered working in a local super market, Pope declares contraception is OK etc. etc...




DNF
By Schadenfroh on 5/14/2006 8:48:31 AM , Rating: 2
Duke Nukem Forever is vaporware, it will never come out. I am sure their CEO is laughing at all of the people that actually believe him.




LOL
By Randum on 5/14/2006 10:52:19 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah I'll beleive it when its installed on my HD lol...im sure DNF is worth waiting for---an obscene first person shooter...oh yeah I'm waiting on the edge of my seat for this one....el oh el.....like there aren't enough FPS to help my appitite for FPS




Heh heh heh
By RainDaemon on 5/15/2006 2:36:14 AM , Rating: 2
Umph Umph Umph... Where is it?!




Don't know about you guys.....
By SniperWulf on 5/15/2006 3:19:17 AM , Rating: 2
... but i'm not buying this... i don't care how "good" it may be




S.T.A.L.K.E.R.
By probedb on 5/15/2006 4:41:20 AM , Rating: 2
Talking about games that were due out ages ago, anyone know what happened to S.T.A.L.K.E.R. ?? I've had it on pre-order for about 2 years now :)




Who Cares?
By Merglet on 5/14/2006 8:20:46 AM , Rating: 1
Seriously, who cares if it comes out at all? Far Cry and Half-Life have both rendered Duke's "innovation" meaningless. Serious Sam may as well have been "Duke Forever", just without the pixelated nudity that only gets the youngans hot'n'bothered. I predict that if it *does* come out, the maximum ratings it'll get will be 7/10. MAX.




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