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Wal-Mart Store Display for Converters  (Source: Wal-Mart)
Wal-Mart puts cheap digital converter box on store shelves for under $50

While many in the United States know that the transition to digital TV broadcasts will begin in early 2009, there are still some that are oblivious to the transition. The Nielsen Company says it estimates that the transition will affect 13 million households across the country.

To offset the cost of the digital transition for consumers, the U.S. government is offering coupons to help reduce the cost of the convertors for affected households. Without these digital convertor boxes, homes without TVs capable of receiving digital broadcasts that aren’t connected to satellite or cable services will no longer be able to receive programming.

Consumers will be eligible for up to two $40 coupons which can be used towards the purchase price of a converter box. Wal-Mart says that it expects many customers using these coupons to show up in its stores across the country.

Gary Severson, senior vice president of Home Entertainment for Wal-Mart said in a statement, “Due to our many locations, we expect the majority of customers will come to us for making their digital transition plan, both for convenience and price. We've prepared for many months to ensure the coupon process will go smoothly, and will work with suppliers to continue to have available, affordable options in our stores for all customers."

To make the buying process easier Wal-Mart says it set up a new platform at its registers to make using the $40 coupons as easy as using a gift card. The catch with the $40 coupons provided by the government is that the converters at this point all cost more than $40.

Wal-Mart now has one of the cheapest converters around with a Magnavox Digital-to-Analog converter at a price of $49.87. That leaves consumers paying about $10 out of their own pocket to continue to watch over the air programming with old analog only TVs.

Some may find the digital transition happening before the February 17, 2009 deadline in their area. The FCC changed the rules to allow broadcasters to make the digital transition early if it was required for the station to make the transition.



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Do I really Need This?
By golddave on 2/11/2008 2:40:36 PM , Rating: 2
I have done some searching and have not found a definitive answer to this question. I have an old TV that I use just often enough to want to be sure I can continue to use it. I have cable in my house and 2 TVs that use cable boxes to tune them. But this TV is connected directly to the cable (no box involved here) and tunes through the TV to get selected channels in the lower numbers (many of the channels between 2 and 99). Am I correct to assume that this TV will need one of these converters?

And before FITCamaro jumps on me let me add that I have a full time job, work hard for my money and pay my taxes on time every year. Between mortgage, property taxes, car payments, gas, etc. I try to save money wherever I can so I can support a comfortable but not excessive lifestyle. That includes shopping smart and looking for bargains. So if the government (or any other organization) is going to offer me a coupon towards something I must have and I find said item at a good price then you can bet I'm going to take advantage of the deal. That's not welfare. That's smart shopping.




RE: Do I really Need This?
By SunLord on 2/11/2008 3:01:14 PM , Rating: 5
If you have cable tv there is no need or reason to buy one fo these boxes they are used for over the air channels only. Cable TV will not be affected by the 2009 digital date so don't worry about it


RE: Do I really Need This?
By somedude1234 on 2/11/2008 3:07:27 PM , Rating: 2
Was just about to say the same thing.

But to add to the thought: You won't need to worry about it until the cable TV company decides to shut off their analog feed as well (for the exact same reason... bandwidth recovery). And when that happens, chances are these tuner boxes won't help you anyway.

Digital Cable == QAM64 or QAM256, either unencrypted or encrypted depending on the cable company and the channel.

USA Over-the-Air == ATSC, which is precisely what these boxes are designed for.

Someone more informed than me can chime in... any chance that the $50 wal-mart boxes will support clear-QAM in addition to ATSC?


RE: Do I really Need This?
By somedude1234 on 2/11/2008 3:13:50 PM , Rating: 2
Decided to answer it for myself. According to the specs on the walmart web site, this box is ATSC only, no clear-QAM support listed =(


RE: Do I really Need This?
By paulpod on 2/12/2008 12:20:37 AM , Rating: 1
This product is a complete ripoff if it does not support QAM. Cable companies are chomping at the bit to turn off analog and force people to pay $4-10 per outlet to get even the basic broadcast channels. I believe they are allowed to do so in Feb 2009.

Of course, when millions of secondary TVs in bedrooms, guestrooms, kitchens, and garages can no longer get CNN, Fox News, ESPN, Disney, MTV, etc. people will realize what it is like to have a government that is "of the corporate boardroom, by the corporate boardroom, and for the corporate boardroom".

With broadcast, the idea that analog channels are needed for "emergency services" is a well orchestrated hoax. The fact that the FCC secretly allowed the changeover to happen on cable is good, old-fashioned graft.


RE: Do I really Need This?
By mofo3k on 2/11/2008 3:18:30 PM , Rating: 2
That shouldn't be an issue also because if the cable company shuts off their analog feed, they'll just issue digital cable boxes.


RE: Do I really Need This?
By mindless1 on 2/11/2008 10:30:58 PM , Rating: 2
I wonder if you might be overlooking a possibility, that IF/when a cable operator decides to convert from analog to digital, they might find it useful to do so with support from today's digital TV tuners instead of requiring yet another conversion box for every customer that didn't presently have one.

Some customers find the ability to hook up multiple TVs without separate boxes to be of great value, I know we would seriously question the value in the tier of service we have if this weren't possible.


RE: Do I really Need This?
By PAPutzback on 2/11/2008 3:12:18 PM , Rating: 2
Cable TV as far as havign a cable box will not be affected. But I run my Cable thru a splitter to feed tvs that don't have a cable box. This feed is analog and only carries the lower 70 some channels. Now how long before the cable company puts all channels in the digital range to force buyers to buy a digital tuner for each tv? Is there a law somewhere that told them they couldn't do this?


RE: Do I really Need This?
By oab on 2/11/2008 4:35:50 PM , Rating: 2
No idea, and there wouldn't be one because even if there is, it would likely be changed at the Cable Companies request. Besides, if they did go digital, they would likely issue you new boxes up to the number of TV's you're "allowed" to use as specified in your subscription agreement with them. If you're only allowed 3 outlets (one tv per outlets, splitters are NOT supported), they would give you access to up to 3 digital boxes.

And even though your cable feed is analog, it is unaffected, because the switchover is ONLY for Over The Air analog TV broadcasts.


RE: Do I really Need This?
By encryptkeeper on 2/11/2008 4:42:39 PM , Rating: 2
You won't have to buy a digital tuner, you'll have to either get one as part of a digital package (probably 5-10 dollars more per month, for the box rental and remote) or you'll have to get a TV with an HD tuner. Personally, I'd go for the upgrade on the analog TV and get an HDTV with the HD tuner built in. You'll probably be happier with that purchase anyway. If you live long enough, you'll have to buy a new TV at some point anyway.


RE: Do I really Need This?
By winterspan on 2/12/2008 5:10:48 AM , Rating: 2
@encryptkeeper

I believe you are wrong on this. The poster above will need to "rent" set top boxes for the existing analog feed TVs from the cable company. As far I know, HDTVs ATSC tuners do not support the QAM encoding coming from the cable company.
Even if they do, many cable companies are encrypting the damn signal.


RE: Do I really Need This?
By nofumble62 on 2/13/2008 12:01:20 AM , Rating: 2
all of their paying customers in the community has switched to digital. This is the case of Cox. Lot of their broadband internet customer used to get analog cable for free because they cannot filter the analog signal out.


RE: Do I really Need This?
By Ringold on 2/11/2008 3:03:34 PM , Rating: 2
I can't speak for FITCamaro, but while I don't agree with a lot of welfare spending I see nothing wrong with accepting free money when it's offered to you. Why not? Maybe others would rather be poor and stand on their morals, but I say take what you can get. Philosophy is for election day. Again though, just looks obvious to me the government is handing a small fortune to who ever makes these converter boxes. (IMHO, sounds like dirty politics)

That said, I've got a TV that sounds just like yours, and I don't know either. I'll have to get a flash light and inspect the back of it and hope to see the word "digital" on a placard somewhere in the back.


RE: Do I really Need This?
By FITCamaro on 2/11/2008 4:39:13 PM , Rating: 2
It's not a matter of taking what you can get. It's a matter of how people are constantly complaining about how the government spends too much. Then something like this comes along and everyone says "GIMME!!!".

"Wait weren't you just saying the government spends too much money where it shouldn't?"

"Yeah but I get something for free this time so who cares?"

Thats the attitude I hate. People are against spending unless they get a direct benefit out of it. If currently for the war, Congress said, "For every month we're at war, every American gets $100.", I'll bet there'd be a lot fewer people complaining.


RE: Do I really Need This?
By TomZ on 2/11/2008 4:45:32 PM , Rating: 3
A different way of looking at this situation is that, by offering these $40 rebates, the government is able to re-license the same frequency band and collect $4-5B in fees. So if the rebates cost $500-1000M, the government is still coming out ahead. It almost sounds like a win-win for everyone.

That's far better than the usual situation...


RE: Do I really Need This?
By FITCamaro on 2/11/08, Rating: 0
RE: Do I really Need This?
By TomZ on 2/11/08, Rating: 0
RE: Do I really Need This?
By mindless1 on 2/11/2008 10:42:13 PM , Rating: 2
Education does not cause smarter kids to have better jobs, there will always be the crappy jobs as these jobs NEED TO BE DONE.

Education just makes them less willing to work the crappy jobs and more likely to end up on welfare surfin' the internet instead of working, feeling like clever trolls perhaps.

TV ties the nation together, it would be really ignorant to think it is a good idea to cut off the primary social exposure many people have, and not recognize that's where they (sadly) get their morals. Even though TV morality can be quite poor at times, things would be a lot worse without it's effect on society. Take the poor and deprive them of it and don't be surprised if they're committing more crimes for example.

In case you didn't notice, we already have a student loan program and more kids with degrees than we know what to do with. Is an educated young adult who would supposedly demand more pay, more or less likely to cause jobs to go overseas? More likely. Spending more on education is not the answer, we'll have to have better policies that protect the interests of the masses and cut down on illegal immigrant labor if we hope to get anywhere.


RE: Do I really Need This?
By Screwballl on 2/11/2008 7:09:36 PM , Rating: 2
So you're saying the $billions made from extra jobs that are being created by repair of current items and creation of new items to support the war effort that is paying much of our economy right now is no benefit? Simply because it is not directly paid from the government does not mean the money is not there and not being paid out, it is simply relayed through a few hands before it gets to the public. Plus it is not a direct refund, it is not a freebie, people are working for it and most of it is getting taxed making it loop back to the government.
Get your head out of Hillarys rear (thats reserved for Bill).


RE: Do I really Need This?
By FITCamaro on 2/11/2008 7:58:58 PM , Rating: 1
I know you didn't just call me a Hillary supporter. Because they only thing I want to put up Hillary's ass is a block of C4.

And I work for a military contractor.