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The takeover battle continues

Dell Inc. has been embroiled in a takeover battle between Michael Dell, founder and current CEO of the company, and major investor Carl Icahn. So far, neither group has been able to propose a takeover offer acceptable to the company board and shareholders. While the takeover battle rages, the computer industry continues its decline leading to an abysmal quarter for Dell Inc. when it comes to PC sales.

Dell is currently the world's third largest computer maker, but it reported a 72% decline in quarterly earnings as PC sales continue to sag. The poor quarterly earnings could help improve Michael Dell's chance of securing his takeover with an offer of $13.75 per share plus a $.13 dividend. Many Dell shareholders believe that the stock was worth more than that offered about.

"It was predictably bad. It's not a big surprise that margins compressed to the degree that they did, when they're prioritizing sales volume over profitability," Morningstar analyst Carr Lanphier said. "You have to offset that uncertainty somehow."

Dell shares dropped two cents to $13.68 in after-hours trading after the earnings were announced. That's a few cents less than Michael Dell's purchase offer. Net income Dell fell to $204 million compared to $732 million in the same quarter the previous year. Gross margins for the quarter declined 1% compared to the previous quarter to 19.6%.

Enterprise solutions, services, and software were bright spot for Dell, gaining 9% with $5.8 million of earned during the quarter.

Source: Reuters

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I tried
By bug77 on 8/16/13, Rating: 0
RE: I tried
By Therealcold187 on 8/16/2013 11:02:37 AM , Rating: 2
The reason people still wants a video card is because when you hook your laptop up to a HD tv to play games you want it to actually be able to play. Dell has plenty of laptops without dedicated video card. I don't see how you think a 4th gen Intel graphic can even come close to a video card it's fine for HD movies but gaming is another story. Even AMD graphic on there cpu blow away intels. But intel has a way better cpu by far.

RE: I tried
By bug77 on 8/16/2013 11:12:54 AM , Rating: 3
I didn't say they shouldn't add video cards. I said they shouldn't add them to all their models. The only ones I could find with no video card were cheap models which didn't come with SSD.

PS: If I want to play, I don't buy a laptop.

RE: I tried
By Flunk on 8/16/2013 11:56:41 AM , Rating: 2
I think I need to call shenanigans on this there are a lot of computers available without discrete graphics. Probably more than ever before because of Ultrabooks (of which 95%+ have integrated only). All the economy laptops only ship with integrated as well. In fact even Dells "developer" laptop you mentioned the XPS 13 variant that ships with Ubuntu HAS NO DISCRETE GPU.

I recently bought a notebook and had a hell of a time finding one with a decent GPU that didn't weigh more than 8 pounds and have a 17"+ screen. There are a lot of options for systems without a discrete GPU and the trend towards thinner and lighter means there will only be more in the future.

If you're still looking the T-series Thinkpads, Sony VAIO Pro, Dell Lattitude line and 13" Retina MacBook Pro are all high-end systems with full-voltage CPUs without discrete graphics. You might want to take a look.

RE: I tried
By bug77 on 8/16/2013 2:27:05 PM , Rating: 3
Yes, like I said, I found models without a GPU, but they were cheap, mostly with a 5400rpm HDD or the dreadful 1366x768 resolution.

RE: I tried
By Spuke on 8/16/2013 2:49:07 PM , Rating: 3
Where are you looking? They are PLENTY of laptops without a discrete GPU that aren't cheap. Actually READ Flunk's post next time.

RE: I tried
By bug77 on 8/16/2013 4:03:56 PM , Rating: 2
Where are you looking?

Not in the US.

RE: I tried
By w8gaming on 8/16/2013 4:49:16 PM , Rating: 2
Most Ultrabook models has no discrete GPU and NOT CHEAP. Must be perfect for you.

RE: I tried
By w8gaming on 8/16/2013 4:50:42 PM , Rating: 2
For instance, Dell XPS 12, 1080p, no discrete graphics, i7 CPU, and definitely not cheap.

RE: I tried
By bug77 on 8/16/2013 6:46:16 PM , Rating: 2
Only 12", 4GB of RAM and 128GB SSD. Not enough for what I need (a development machine). Especially the screen.
And when I said cheap, I meant sub-standard quality, not that it doesn't cost an arm and a leg. Let's be honest here, for $1100, that laptop offers practically nothing. Low memory (part of it will have to go to the GPU), limited storage, last generation CPU and an insult of a screen (1080p within 12" - I'd have to squint from 10" to see those pixels).

Plus, I was looking about 6 months ago. And back then (at least), almost all decent options came with a dedicated GPU. I doubt things have changed, but I haven't checked since. And let's be honest here, for a development (or any other office laptop), both Ivy Bridge and Haswell have plenty of GPU power.

RE: I tried
By retrospooty on 8/16/2013 10:29:39 PM , Rating: 2
Check out the latitude e6540.

RE: I tried
By Jeffk464 on 8/16/2013 8:40:20 PM , Rating: 2
discrete graphics eat through battery life, plus ultrabooks don't have good screens for gaming.

RE: I tried
By ritualm on 8/16/2013 9:11:17 PM , Rating: 2
If I want to play, I don't buy a laptop.

I game and play on a laptop.

Your argument makes no sense whatsoever.

RE: I tried
By Argon18 on 8/16/2013 11:58:36 AM , Rating: 1
Believe it or not, not everyone is interested in playing video games.

RE: I tried
By superstition on 8/16/2013 12:49:32 PM , Rating: 2
The other problem is that if you want a decent experience you end up with:

1. Boat anchor weight
2a. Very bulky design, or:
2b. Very loud tiny fans
3. High price
4. Short battery life (especially with the RGB LED screen which doesn't support powering down the discreet graphics in favor of the CPU graphics in either the Dell or HP models as far as I know)

It seems to me that it's better to just build minitower systems. Trying to squeeze fancy 3D gaming graphics into a laptop seems a fool's errand, unless the person is a hard of hearing body builder.

RE: I tried
By Kaldor on 8/16/2013 11:08:51 AM , Rating: 2
Dell still makes a decent product. If you can, use a corporate account to purchase Dell stuff. Still can specify exactly what you want on the business side.

We use Dell servers and PCs at work. They are about the only manufacturer that will let to specify exactly what you want without paying a big price premium. I like IBM and Lenovo as well, but Dell offers us more flexibility and a better price.

RE: I tried
By bug77 on 8/16/2013 11:14:34 AM , Rating: 2
If you can, use a corporate account to purchase Dell stuff.

I'm going to shock you a bit and reveal that I'm not a corporation ;-)

RE: I tried
By dgingerich on 8/16/2013 11:25:01 AM , Rating: 2
If you work for a corporation that buys any Dell equipment, like I do, you can likely get a discount. I get between 5 and 15% off, depending on what I buy, but I usually only buy parts or monitors.

RE: I tried
By Mitch101 on 8/16/2013 12:05:50 PM , Rating: 2
Just make up a phoney corporation at checkout of the dell corp store like everyone else does.

RE: I tried
By Obujuwami on 8/16/2013 3:01:57 PM , Rating: 2
I work for a corporation that buys Dells, and I wish we bought HP computers/laptops/servers/switches exclusively. Dell's aren't all that great, they push a SFF on people, the laptops are not well built (as in cheap) and you can't customize things much anymore.

*sigh* About the only thing good about Dell is the support website when you can driver search and find info on the system you are currently working on. Otherwise I miss supporting an HP enterprise.

RE: I tried
By Digimonkey on 8/16/2013 5:01:15 PM , Rating: 2
Complete opposite experience here. We ditched HPs due to too many issues. I also prefer the Dell software like the repository manager and OpenManage.

RE: I tried
By retrospooty on 8/16/2013 4:21:09 PM , Rating: 2
"I'm going to shock you a bit and reveal that I'm not a corporation"

It's not a "rule" that you have to be, the Dell site is just set up to have consumers and Enterprise in different spots. Just log in and be "Bug77 Inc". It doesnt matter and nothing will stop you.

The consumer stuff is cheap, and failure prone and truly deserving o the bad rep Dell has been given. The enterprise stuff (and this includes laptops and desktops) is actually pretty well built and well spec'd as well.

RE: I tried
By superstition on 8/16/2013 12:35:20 PM , Rating: 1
Perhaps, but they also make low-quality stuff.

My university recently purchased a bunch of systems and the keyboards are the flimsiest things I've ever seen. They don't have decent prop-up legs, either. The mice are really flimsy, too. The machines don't even come with a DVI port. That's right, folks, just a VGA port for connecting to a flat panel in 2013.

And, to top it all off, the university bought Dell "Professional" line monitors that are crappy TN so they have terrible off-angle color/gamma distortion.

The worst part about this is that they're replacing iMacs with these pieces of crap. Those iMacs have solid high-quality keyboards and mice, glass-covered screens that make cleaning the fingerprints that people leave all over the lab systems much easier, and much higher-quality monitors (much less off-angle distortion and a digital connection). It's sad when the "obsolete" machines are far better than their replacements.

The only good thing I can say about these is that they aren't running Windows 8.

RE: I tried
By P_Dub_S on 8/16/2013 12:56:01 PM , Rating: 2
The machines don't even come with a DVI port. That's right, folks, just a VGA port for connecting to a flat panel in 2013.

Hrrm all the Vostro PC's I bought this year came with VGA HDMI and DP ports.

RE: I tried
By superstition on 8/16/2013 1:00:33 PM , Rating: 2
These are OptiPlex.

RE: I tried
By superflex on 8/19/2013 11:11:34 AM , Rating: 2
There is no such thing as an Optiplex without a HDMI port. Or an Inpsiron, or a Vostro, or a Latitude.
Go away Dell troll

RE: I tried
By superstition on 8/21/2013 12:37:03 PM , Rating: 2
The monitors come with VGA and DVI. The machines do not come with DVI.

RE: I tried
By Nutzo on 8/16/2013 2:05:08 PM , Rating: 2
And they probably cost half what the obsolite iMac's cost.

All the current Optiplex system come with a VGI port and either a HDMI or Display port.

Just sounds like they went cheap by going with the bottom keyboard and sticking with VGA rather than spend $20 on a display port to DVI cable.

I don't believe any current Macs come with DVI port either.

RE: I tried
By sorry dog on 8/19/2013 5:37:57 PM , Rating: 2
My own experience with Dell laptops has been hit and miss with the quality, and the display panels they choose to use are usually of lower quality. However, one big advantage of Dell to me is the price and availability of replacement parts is very good.
I have dropped the laptop and broken the power jack 3 times which requires the replacement of a daughterboard with several interfaces on it. The cost was under $20 and had it in my hand 1 or 2 days later each time.

RE: I tried
By dgingerich on 8/16/2013 11:23:00 AM , Rating: 2
(why does everybody insists on adding a video card when you have a 3rd or 4th gen Core CPU under the hood, I don't understand)

Because even 4th gen Core GPU is horrid in many games. WoW is near unplayable with it, unless you choose not to see the fire. (That is, turning off projected textures.) Standing in the fire, which you can't see with an Intel GPU, is a bad thing. Neverwinter is a virtual slideshow on any Intel GPU. STO is mostly playable, until you get into combat. On top of that, I'm still having issues with PuTTY on any Intel integrated graphics and a USB to Serial adapter. Text gets corrupted over the entire display. No, I'd rather stay away from Intel integrated graphics entirely.

RE: I tried
By Donkey2008 on 8/20/2013 3:47:23 AM , Rating: 2
Try disabling virtualization and Intel VT-d in the BIOS (if you don't use it). Seriously. On most Dell laptops that support these they are enabled by default. VT-d can cause Intel integrated graphics to corrupt in certain instances.

RE: I tried
By Gunbuster on 8/16/2013 11:38:43 AM , Rating: 2
You can still customize, BUT it's like they actively planned how to hide that option on the web page. That along with the UGLY huge screen bezel Latitudes with dopey chrome accents is what IMHO is a healthy root of their problem.

RE: I tried
By kmmatney on 8/16/2013 12:14:47 PM , Rating: 2
I bought a Dell Inspiron 9400 17" for work in 2007 and it lasted me over 5 years, and I never had any issues with it. I finally upgraded to an Inspiron 17" Special Edition last year, and I've already had to replace a screen and the touchpad completely sucks. The screen was replaced with an inferior panel and the crappiest contrast I've ever seen. When they called me to try and extend the warranty I told them that I really hope the laptop breaks soon so I can get a new one that isn't a Dell.

My Special Edition model did have a fair number of customization options, but it seems like you can't customize any of the lower cost systems any more.

RE: I tried
By mckinney on 8/16/2013 12:34:31 PM , Rating: 2
Me too. I wanted to get a Dell Precision 17" laptop, but you cant get an IPS screen on anything but the most expensive Covet edition. They used to offer it as an addon option on other price levels but stopped.

RE: I tried
By superstition on 8/16/2013 12:41:07 PM , Rating: 2
And, that "Covet" version is glossy only. I think the IPS screen was available in matte in the other trims.

RE: I tried
By p05esto on 8/16/2013 1:16:02 PM , Rating: 2
That's not true. I have IPS on the M6700 latop, not the covet edition. This is a new option with the latest round of workstation laptops. The screen is amazing by the way, the IPS now matches my LED/IPS Dell 27" descktop monitor... beautiful thing. No one does monitors like Dell does.

RE: I tried
By mckinney on 8/16/2013 6:36:02 PM , Rating: 2
It is true. You can post the link and prove me wrong.

I just checked again. There is only one Precision M6700 that says "Premier Color IPS"...the others say "Premium Panel"

It changed months ago.

RE: I tried
By p05esto on 8/16/2013 1:12:40 PM , Rating: 2
Um, the fastest laptop on earth has almost always been a Dell. The M6700 for example is customizable and can go as high as $7000. I have one, amazing workstation replacement. The dedicated video cards are for people who do rendering and need the power, or for gaming. You can get a cheap card in there if you don't need it.

RE: I tried
By wallijonn on 8/16/2013 4:34:57 PM , Rating: 2
why does everybody insists on adding a video card when you have a 3rd or 4th gen Core CPU under the hood

Because the video card is a GPU? There's software out there that uses the GPU (ie, IE (Internet Explorer)). Go into it's panel and you may see "Software Rendering by CPU". While the CPU may have reached a limit, the GPU is still being advanced. Many apps will be written to use a GPU, instead of a CPU,to do calcs.

Dell's revenue remained about the same
By Sivar on 8/16/2013 12:17:38 PM , Rating: 2
It's important to understand that Dell's revenue was about the same as the previous quarter. i.e., they sold about the same number of PCs.

It's only their profits on that revenue which dropped 72%, because Dell cut prices to keep sales up.

RE: Dell's revenue remained about the same
By superstition on 8/16/2013 12:44:43 PM , Rating: 1
Dell cut prices to keep sales up.

And seems to have cut quality more.

Case in point: My university just got Inspiron systems and they only have a VGA port for connecting to the low-grade TN "Professional" monitor that was vastly overpriced for the quality. Their keyboards are the worst, by far, I've ever seen from a regular vendor, and the mice are nothing to write home about.

Any company selling new systems for general use with just a VGA port in 2013 should be tarred and feathered.

RE: Dell's revenue remained about the same
By dgingerich on 8/16/2013 1:01:17 PM , Rating: 1
Considering most corporate IT departments (or facilities departments, or whoever handles them at whatever corporation) don't replace portable projectors for 5 to 7 years, and many of the older projectors only have VGA inputs while even current portable projectors have VGA ports in addition to their HDMI ports, that VGA port is quite an intelligent port to have on a corporate laptop.

Also, VGA ports don't require any licensing fees, and many low end monitors still only have VGA ports, which makes them the most cost effective and universal port to include on a desktop machine. As a matter of fact, the only ports my laptop dock at work has is one DVI-D and one VGA.

HDMI is almost exclusively home theater territory. The only laptops with just HDMI ports are home laptops, so they can hook into the living room TV. HDMI also cap out at 1920X1080 except in the most advanced systems or monitors.

I use DisplayPort on my home system, so it can handle my 2560X1440 monitor. HDMI would be useless as it would not handle the resolution I have, and DVI-D cables are annoyingly inflexible. Although many people do use DVI-D at home and it is probably the second widest used interface, the majority of home users have not migrated away from VGA, nor do they plan to, and most of them don't want to have to replace a perfectly functional monitor when their PC dies.

The VGA port is going to be around for probably at least ten more years, if not longer.

RE: Dell's revenue remained about the same
By superstition on 8/16/2013 1:01:47 PM , Rating: 2
OptiPlex, not Inspiron.

By P_Dub_S on 8/16/2013 1:06:16 PM , Rating: 2
OptiPlex, not Inspiron.

Even if there Optiplex they come with HDMI ports.

RE: Dell's revenue remained about the same
By Sivar on 8/16/2013 1:01:28 PM , Rating: 2
That's your university's fault. They shouldn't be buying Inspiron systems -- they got exactly what they ordered, the cheapest possible system.
Optiplexes are much more appropriate for a university environment and are very well-built, solid systems.

RE: Dell's revenue remained about the same
By superstition on 8/16/2013 1:05:29 PM , Rating: 2
lol... They are OptiPlexes. Inspiron is a typo.

By lyeoh on 8/17/2013 2:38:20 AM , Rating: 3
A common typo. the keys are like right next to each other.

RE: Dell's revenue remained about the same
By superflex on 8/19/2013 11:05:50 AM , Rating: 2
Even the cheapest Optiplex 310's come with a HDMI port.
Maybe you could upgrade schools from DeVry to Strayer and be guaranteed a HDMI cable in your admissions package.
And VGA limits you how?

By superstition on 8/21/2013 12:38:46 PM , Rating: 2
The "professional" monitors Dell bundles with these don't have HDMI, a port mainly designed for consumer electronics like gaming systems and DVD players.

VGA offers a low-grade analog connection.

RE: Dell's revenue remained about the same
By P_Dub_S on 8/16/2013 1:03:51 PM , Rating: 2
Your university cheaped out and got Inspiron laptops. Same for the "Professional" monitors they make cheap TN ones. A quick look at Dell and I found 4 IPS "Professional" monitors and 2 TN "Professional" monitors you get what you pay for.

By superstition on 8/16/2013 1:09:46 PM , Rating: 1
you get what you pay for.

Unless you are overpaying for low-grade stuff. One can get an A-MVA panel from BenQ for less. It may not have a tilt stand, but it's 1080p instead of 1680 and has vastly better contrast.

The quality of the monitors, keyboards, and mice is atrocious. The fact that an OptiPlex desktop system comes with just a VGA port is ridiculous in 2013. It's not 1999 anymore.

RE: Dell's revenue remained about the same
By Jeffk464 on 8/16/2013 8:39:19 PM , Rating: 5
Case in point: My university just got Inspiron systems and they only have a VGA port for connecting to the low-grade TN "Professional" monitor that was vastly overpriced for the quality.

Dude its a Dell, you can pretty much pick and choose the features you want. Blame the person that bought them.

By superstition on 8/21/2013 9:21:45 PM , Rating: 2
I blame Dell for making low-grade products. The keyboards and mice are shamefully low-quality, and the overpriced "professional" monitors have awful viewing angles because they're low-grade TN.

RE: Dell's revenue remained about the same
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What I'd do with Dell.
By johnnycanadian on 8/16/2013 10:47:19 AM , Rating: 2
What would I do? I'd shut it down and give the money back to the shareholders.

Goddamn, I love schadenfreude.

RE: What I'd do with Dell.
By BRB29 on 8/16/13, Rating: -1
RE: What I'd do with Dell.
By XZerg on 8/16/2013 11:44:53 AM , Rating: 3
ahhh.... the sarcasm and taunt are missed dearly by BRB29.

That's what Dell told about Apple back in 2000 or so.

ah the irony indeed!

RE: What I'd do with Dell.
By sprockkets on 8/16/2013 11:30:24 PM , Rating: 2
Michael Dell wasn't saying that seriously, his comment was taken out of context; read his post on this page

RE: What I'd do with Dell.
By lyeoh on 8/17/2013 2:44:46 AM , Rating: 2
As a CEO it's part of his job to know what to say in public. If he's not serious about saying something in public he should not say it.

So far he claims it was taken out of context but has provided no context to defend himself.

By DukeN on 8/16/2013 10:20:39 AM , Rating: 5
Dude, you're getting a downgrade

It's Obvious
By blwest on 8/19/2013 10:05:22 AM , Rating: 3
It's obvious what they're doing.
Michael Dell wants to go private. De-value your company by posting horrible results and your stock price plummets. This makes buying your own company back much cheaper. There should be a SEC investigation to this.

Dell... learn from Lenovo.
By kamiller422 on 8/16/2013 12:50:48 PM , Rating: 2
Lenovo can teach Dell how to make an elephant dance. Lenovo adapted to changes in the market. Dell, for the most part, kept its wagon hitched to Intel and Microsoft and kept kneading the same dough. Your bread has gone stale Dell. Where are the cool tablets? No, not Windows RT. Where are your Android phones? Try something else. Adapt or die.

And, Dell, if you make an engineering mistake like the horrible DC input jack on the Dell XPS notebooks, FIX IT with a solution that works and do it for free.

Vostro 470
By btc909 on 8/17/2013 1:24:18 AM , Rating: 2
I sold a BUNCH of Vostro 470's with Windows 7 but of could the ____ mother ____ at Dell decided to discontinue it.

Clean install disks
By Donkey2008 on 8/20/2013 3:35:08 AM , Rating: 2
I still love that Dell lets you use a clean OEM install disk. I do not mean a "recovery" disk (ala Lenovo). I am talking about the Dell Windows OEM disks with no-cd-key, pre-activated with no bloatware. Just install the drivers and go. It's a big plus for Dell IMO.

After a few bad years
By aebiv on 8/22/2013 12:29:06 AM , Rating: 2
There for a few years, I wouldn't touch anything Dell made simply due to the quality issues. Now I've got a few refurb Poweredge's in the rack that are quite nice, and a second gen XPS 13 Ultrabook that is without a doubt the most solid ultrabook I've had my hands on.

Hopefully, they can continue with some of the models that have success.

The reports of "everything they have sucks" though, is frankly just not true.

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By henhill69 on 9/9/2013 5:59:05 PM , Rating: 2
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