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Dell left the DAP market in 2003 after poor sales

Apple is by far the 700-pound gorilla in the digital audio player (DAP) market. Apple's lead in the field is staggering, according to analyst firm NPD Group Apple holds a massive 71% of the U.S. MP3 player market.

The second place firm in the rankings is SanDisk with a mere 11% of the market. Microsoft and its Zune player hold only 4% of the MP3 player market. Sony and Creative bring up the rear with a paltry 2% of the market for MP3 players each.

Sales of Microsoft's Zune players were so low for GameStop that it stopped selling Zune players altogether. Dell was once in the DAP market and pulled out in 2003 after poor sales left it with a tiny fraction of the MP3 player market.

Despite Dell's inability to compete in 2003, it has announced it may enter the DAP market again. The Wall Street Journal reports that this time Dell says it won’t try to compete with the iPod head on. Dell says this time -- if it enters the DAP market -- it won’t simply sell hardware as it did in its failed 2003 attempt. Rather, this time Dell will sell a music player that will work closely with Dell software for a range of portable devices -- including PCs and cell phones -- allowing users of the Dell device to download and organize music from multiple sources and share it with multiple devices.

Dell says that it is currently testing a DAP with volunteers and that the player in its current form would hit the market for under $100. Details on the new Dell player are scant right now -- the name of the device isn’t even known. What is known is that the Dell DAP would feature a WiFi internet connection allowing for mobile music downloading when a signal is available.

Dell says that its software would also allow users to download movies and watch them on a PC. Dell won’t say exactly how it intends to generate profits from the DAP and software according to The Wall Street Journal. Dell could try to make money off the actual hardware sale or it could try to generate profits form a subscription-based music service or sales of movies and music.



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SanDisk
By acer905 on 7/31/2008 12:27:28 PM , Rating: 2
Woot for SanDisk being second place. Too many people use iPods and iTunes and can never really stop due to the format of their songs, so from now on i propose that best spot a company making MP3 players can hold will be 2nd place.




RE: SanDisk
By onelittleindian on 7/31/2008 12:58:17 PM , Rating: 2
I love competition and all, but I had so much bad luck with the (3) Sandisk players I've owned that I swore off them forever.


RE: SanDisk
By Suomynona on 7/31/2008 1:16:11 PM , Rating: 3
Yeah, I had issues with the one Sandisk player I got for my girlfriend. It kept freezing and randomly deleting songs that were loaded onto it. I ended up getting her a Nano, and it's been great, and even has out-of-the-box language support that comes in handy.

I used to be militantly anti-iPod, and I still have my original Dell DJ sitting in a box somewhere. But I came to realize that Apple really does make nice and simple mp3 players that do what they need to do, even if they cost a bit more. They may not have the feature list of some other players -- and I would never install iTunes on my own computer -- but for most people, they really are a better choice.


RE: SanDisk
By Mitch101 on 7/31/2008 2:16:47 PM , Rating: 2
Wow. I have 3 sandisk, 1 zune and know many people with other various MP3 players. All are great at playing music.

Sandisk Problems.
I used the software that came with the device or windows media player. Drag and Drop works much better.

iPod problems.
The problem I did have was with a friend who's computer was toasted and had a nightmare of a time getting his iTunes back in order. DRM is the real problem here.

Zune Problems.
I still haven't figured out how to remove music from my Zune once its loaded without a total wipe of the device.

Overall Impressions
I don't believe the iPod is a bad unit at all in fact I think its pretty good but bang per buck I certainly feel you can do better than an iPod and DRM I have a problem with all around I'd hate to think what it would be like if the iPOD died on my friend. If there is a real problem with these MP3 devices personally its with the software that comes with them. I prefer drag and drop not some kludgey interface and no DRM.


RE: SanDisk
By therealnickdanger on 7/31/2008 3:20:39 PM , Rating: 2
My experience on the topic:

iPod = great
DRM = bad
iTunes = bad

Of course, I just use my cell phone (Touch) for music/pix/video/Internet, so I really don't need anything else anymore.


RE: SanDisk
By StevoLincolnite on 7/31/2008 8:25:18 PM , Rating: 2
I haven't ever owned an MP3 player, not my sort of thing, Instead if I wanna listen to music, more often than not I have to take my notebook with me, so that handles all my music needs.


RE: SanDisk
By afkrotch on 8/1/2008 8:57:45 AM , Rating: 2
Good luck riding a bike, jogging, snowboarding, etc and listening to music that way.

At home, I use my computer for music. In the car, I have a USB capable car stereo. For travel, I use an 80 gig Zune. For snowboarding, I use a 1 gig iRiver.

I'm thinking about getting an iRiver NV when it's released. I'm sure it'll be like $1000 or something. Seeing as it has a bunch of files it'll support, does digital TV, and gps. So far, looks to be going Korea only, but I'll be living there next year anyways.


RE: SanDisk
By Omega215D on 7/31/2008 8:46:32 PM , Rating: 2
I've had the Sandisk Sansa E200 series and that thing was pretty buggy. The biggest problem I had with it though was its poor sound quality as there was too much treble and lack of bass. The iPod is the same way and yet people pay so much money for mediocre sound.

I think I'll stick with Cowon, iRiver, Sony and Creative. I know my Cowon D2 will be with me for a long time since it is the only player that can play music for 35+ hours.


RE: SanDisk
By michael2k on 8/1/2008 12:16:14 PM , Rating: 2
The iPod Classic 160GB is rated at 40 hours, so I'm fairly certain it can beat your D2 at 35+ hours.


RE: SanDisk
By Arese on 7/31/2008 9:47:08 PM , Rating: 2
for the zune problem...

Go into the zune software.
Click device with the zune pluged in
switch from status to music
navigate to the songs that you want to delete
just press delete or right click delete

Just tried that now and it works

I own an ipod and a brown zune. I like to carry around my zune for its screen and the games that i made for it, but the ipod is much lighter and much more presentable. The zune is a mixed bag. It works really well at some things but it fails in others. Luckily most of the things it was bad at were fixed in updates; however, i am still waiting for promised things like audio books.


RE: SanDisk
By kelmon on 8/1/2008 3:24:20 AM , Rating: 2
One of the big problems I have with the Zune is the same problem that I have with Nintendo's Virtual Console. Why on earth do they price items to download in bloody Points rather than money? It's the stupidest thing I've ever heard of and it puts off the customer. Show me how much something costs in real money rather than asking me to buy Points in advance, like every other shop in the world and online.

That someone suggested this idea is amazing, but that others agreed with it such that it was actually implemented beggars belief.


RE: SanDisk
By Arese on 8/1/2008 2:38:15 PM , Rating: 2
Completely agree.

That is why I buy all my online music from amazon mp3 (which has its own problems).


RE: SanDisk
By acer905 on 7/31/2008 6:39:05 PM , Rating: 2
Well that's too bad. And not just because i prefer my Sansa, but to have any product fail is annoying. I very much hope you have better luck with your current/next choices.


RE: SanDisk
By RamarC on 7/31/2008 1:13:58 PM , Rating: 4
I'm still amazed how Apple came the game late and has so much market share. I had several MP3 players before the iPod debuted and to this day can't figure out why folks go ga-ga over them. And I can't justify paying more for an iPod when a comparable Sansa or Zen cost less and plays the same friggin' music! My Zen 8GB was only $130, less than a 4GB iPod.


RE: SanDisk
By kelmon on 7/31/2008 2:04:47 PM , Rating: 2
It probably doesn't mean much, but the iPod is about the only option available to Mac users and it also works well with the platform as a whole. That's several million users right there where there is no competition.


RE: SanDisk
By michael2k on 7/31/08, Rating: 0
RE: SanDisk
By oab on 8/2/2008 5:01:55 PM , Rating: 2
The Creative Nomad was out at the same time the first iPod for windows was out, and before it became a mega hit.

The iPod was a better player (easy to user interface, no millions of clicky buttons). Plus the audio quality out of the box was better (although the nomad had the creative equalizer options which balanced things out, but you needed to fiddle with it).


RE: SanDisk
By michael2k on 8/4/2008 12:44:15 PM , Rating: 2
Except the Nomad isn't comparable to an iPod; in terms of size, it is more comparable to a Mac mini!


RE: SanDisk
By oab on 8/1/2008 1:10:14 PM , Rating: 2
Because when the iPod came out it was the best player on the market?

Every other one was just a mess of 50-million buttons, and the ipod had like 6, and it was really easy to use it by comparison.

It also helped that they had good advertisements, but that wasn't the main reason it sold so well.


RE: SanDisk
By djkrypplephite on 7/31/2008 1:17:32 PM , Rating: 2
I use an iPod because I like it? That's a possibility.


RE: SanDisk
By Oregonian2 on 7/31/2008 8:39:34 PM , Rating: 3
Good reason. I used to have a 5th generation (video iPod) with 60Gb and liked it a lot (bought two, my wife still uses hers).

But I replaced mine (it got "lost") with an Archos 605 wifi 160 Gb unit. I like it a lot better than my old iPod and although its UI isn't as sexy as a touch (which I was close to getting) it has a great deal more features (codecs, etc) as well as a much higher resolution screen. And its touch screen is quite good once one figures it out (not so intuitive).

Archos has nothing like iTunes which is the big difference (although I can still use iTunes to fetch podcasts and the like then sync by other means). Archos has been making them long before Apple, but they're French and have neither the sex appeal of Apple or something like iTunes.


RE: SanDisk
By Penti on 7/31/2008 6:04:33 PM , Rating: 2
Do people even use "mp3"-players anymore? I though people just used there cellphones for it.

Anyways the only music store that's usable in Sweden is ITMS. There are only a few WMA/Play4sure alternatives with a smaller catalog of songs and higher prices. Or the warez alternative. Of course nokias music store is available too. But i wouldn't use that on a PC.


RE: SanDisk
By oab on 8/1/2008 1:12:29 PM , Rating: 2
All unencrypted AAC songs play on Creative Zens ... so all those songs I ripped in iTunes play perfectly on my zen.

The zen is not as good as an ipod. I find the ui clunky and braindead sometimes. If you turn it off in the middle of a song/podcast, and leave it off for 5 hours, it forgets where it was and you need to fast-forward through it until you find where you left off, and the iPod doesn't do that.


Intellitext ads
By mikecel79 on 7/31/2008 12:42:08 PM , Rating: 5
I know on Anandtech there was a way to disable the Intellitext ads (those words underlined in green) but don't see a way to do it for Dailytech. They are really annoying when trying to read an article and you accidently stop on one and a stupid video starts playing right in the middle of the screen.




RE: Intellitext ads
By BurnItDwn on 7/31/2008 12:47:41 PM , Rating: 3
The adblock FF plugin will do this ...

I agree. Intellitext ads are even worse than popups. I don't think I would visit this page at all if there was no way to block the Intellitext ads.


RE: Intellitext ads
By afkrotch on 8/1/2008 9:24:27 AM , Rating: 2
edit your host file. I do.


Are there any Ipods with a built in FM radio?
By duke on 7/31/2008 4:31:00 PM , Rating: 2
And if not, why not?




By michael2k on 7/31/2008 7:12:14 PM , Rating: 2
Why should they have FM radios?

If anything, I think Apple should build in FM transmitters!


By kelmon on 8/1/2008 3:27:57 AM , Rating: 2
Probably because there isn't sufficient demand for it. I know I'm not interested in a radio and would not pay more for the addition of one. Podcasts replaced radio for me a long time ago. Perhaps I am representative of the iPod market.


By Chocobollz on 8/1/2008 8:29:37 AM , Rating: 2
And why would you even listen to the radio anymore? This is the era of AAC and hi-def music, not the era of some lousy FM radios, are you living in a stone cave dude??? Just quit your rants dude, if you want to listen to radio, then I would say iPod isn't for you. iPods is for someone who's looking for a "perfect" sounds quality. If you want to listen to radio, just buy some cheapo FM receiver, it may only cost US$ 1 now, so why rant about iPod not having an FM radio? You must be joking rite?

About the iPod, I don't like Apple but I must admit, its quality is simply amazing. I think their decoder and DAC quality were one of the best amongst PMPs.


By afkrotch on 8/1/2008 9:20:26 AM , Rating: 2
"perfect" sound quality on the ipod. You must be joking. Not with the crappy earbuds you get or majority of the earphones I see ppl wearing.

Anyways, I find the FM radio to be very useful. I use it to listen to news in the local area when I notice something is going on or traffic reports in my car. I use a Japanese stereo (it displays Japanese characters, unlike US/Euro stereos) in my car, but it isn't capable of picking up US/Euro stations. So with my Zune connected, I swap it to an FM station and listen away.

Just because you don't have a need, doesn't mean others don't. Also it's not a huge cost to add it in. Zune 80 gb for $235 or iPod Classic 80 gb for $250.


DAP?
By kmmatney on 7/31/2008 1:00:23 PM , Rating: 2
DAP? I haven't heard that acronym in a long time - I had no idea what it was when I first read it. I think you might as well make the acronym "iPod", so the title of the article should read: "Dell Considers Entering iPod Market Again".




RE: DAP?
By Hare on 7/31/2008 1:11:13 PM , Rating: 3
I think PMP is the correct abbreviation since most of the players also play video etc. DAP reminds me of 32-64mb Diamond Rio players from a decade ago...


RE: DAP?
By piroroadkill on 8/1/2008 5:40:14 AM , Rating: 2
Screw that, I'm pretty sure Apple would zealously defend generic use of its trademark.. I really dislike use of genericised trademarks


Pass The Popcorn
By kelmon on 7/31/2008 2:01:26 PM , Rating: 2
Yes, this should be good for a laugh. That Dell has decided to try and re-enter a market that it already left is interesting. That they've recruited Rob "Jackass Of The Decade" Enderle as New Entertainment Strategist is sheer comedy gold.

The question is, will Dell give this a try for the 3rd time?




RE: Pass The Popcorn
By spluurfg on 8/1/2008 8:24:16 AM , Rating: 2
Yeah, exactly...

quote:
Rather, this time Dell will sell a music player that will work closely with Dell software for a range of portable devices -- including PCs and cell phones -- allowing users of the Dell device to download and organize music from multiple sources and share it with multiple devices.


Dell software? THAT's their strategy? This is only going to end in tears...


Creative?
By iFX on 7/31/2008 4:19:42 PM , Rating: 2
Is Creative still in the DAP market? The last DAP I owned was a Creative Nomad II MG with 64MB of ram and it was quite good; this was of course before Apple dominated the DAP market.




RE: Creative?
By Jedi2155 on 8/1/2008 3:58:52 AM , Rating: 2
They have some very interesting products like their newly released Zen X-Fi which (strangely) includes some messenger programs as well as streaming media support (perhaps for DLNA network?)

Check it out here -> http://epizenter.net/comment.php?comment.news.399

http://us.creative.com/products/product.asp?catego...


3 days
By Screwballl on 7/31/2008 12:17:30 PM , Rating: 2
and then 3 days after its release, someone will release a modified firmware that allows it to use and download non-DRM and non-Dell based music and connections...




Cowon
By KraftyOne on 8/1/2008 6:22:47 PM , Rating: 2
I like my Cowon D2 a lot... it is a great piece of hardware and does everything I want.




By rcc on 7/31/2008 12:14:55 PM , Rating: 1
Which will be a PITA to get rid of.

Other than that, have a ball guys.




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