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Dell has increased cost savings goals by $1 billion

Dell says that it is looking to cut costs and expand further into markets that are generating revenue today, including netbooks. Netbooks are one of the few categories of the computer industry that is growing impressively during the global economic downturn.

EWeek reports that Dell recently announced poor Q4 financials with revenues dropping by 16% to $13.4 billion. Because of the poor results, Dell is said to be eyeing further cost reduction methods and expansion into other areas. In addition to netbooks, Dell is also looking at the cloud and enterprise solutions area.

The computer maker announced that it was increasing its cost savings goals from $3 billion by 2011 to $4 billion over the same time frame. Finding an additional $1 billion in savings will likely mean Dell will be making more job cuts and possibly closing more facilities.

Dell operating expenses are down significantly reports eWeek with a reduction of $365 million year over year. Despite the increased cost cutting measures, Dell maintains that it has cash on hand and that increasing profits could mean snapping up smaller companies that could add to Dell's bottom line. Dell CFO Brian Gladden said, "We'll be opportunistic; we have the cash to do that." Dell reportedly has about $9 billion in cash on hand.

Gladden also says that Dell will be looking at all facets of its business for cost cutting opportunities and said that netbooks will continue to be an area that the computer giant focuses on. Some analysts aren’t as optimistic as Dell is.

Dinesh Moorjani from Broadpoint AmTech said, "We are not dismissing our view of Dell as a turn-around story, but believe it will take a few quarters for Dell to see the returns from its strategic overhaul and investments in the indirect channel."

Dell recently announced its latest netbook called the Inspiron Mini 10.



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Dell netbooks = garbage
By bety on 2/27/09, Rating: 0
RE: Dell netbooks = garbage
By GaryJohnson on 2/27/2009 8:42:03 PM , Rating: 1
What netbook have you seen that has >1GB ram & Vista (out of the box) ? let us know!


RE: Dell netbooks = garbage
By bety on 3/1/2009 1:51:30 AM , Rating: 2
Exactly! Since 1gb is generally the maximum shipping memory, most netbook makers avoid Vista like the plague (not to mention the limitations of the Atom). Fortunately, the vast majority of netbooks also have expandable memory, so if you ever did want to try Vista, you could add RAM to try for a decent experience. Combining Vista with a max.memory of 1gb simply equals utter, utter, stupidity. One of the biggest misfires I've ever heard of in recent times.

Anyways, Gary, you won't find many netbooks shipped with more than 1gb because of MS imposed limitations, but you can expand the majority of netbooks to 1.5-2 gigs! So you'll definitely want to do that if you want to give Vista a go, so don't buy one of these Dell dead-ends! Good luck!


RE: Dell netbooks = garbage
By Mgz on 3/2/2009 2:00:09 AM , Rating: 2
so funny, u're a regular reader of dailytech and u don't even know that the 1GB RAM is the chipset limitation (hi Intel) and not Dell's fault.


RE: Dell netbooks = garbage
By bety on 3/3/2009 10:15:32 PM , Rating: 2
Uh HELLO? Anybody home??

DELL chose what chipset/cpu to use in their netbook. They CHOSE, the combination. Note that most other companies were smart enough not to?

Hello mcfly???


netbooks
By Screwballl on 2/27/09, Rating: -1
RE: netbooks
By Bateluer on 2/27/2009 12:02:41 PM , Rating: 4
And yet the typical Atom powered netbook suits the needs of many users and continues to sell strongly.


RE: netbooks
By therealnickdanger on 2/27/2009 12:20:15 PM , Rating: 2
Exactly. The performance on paper doesn't seem like much, but they can really do just about anything that a more expensive laptop can do. If we are to believe the statistics, single moms playing Bejeweled online make up the largest gaming category - so you could even claim that netbooks are "good for gaming". LOL


RE: netbooks
By Imaginer on 2/27/2009 1:48:22 PM , Rating: 3
Here is where different usages and needs come to play with netbooks versus conventional laptops.

Size, and battery life.

For me, if I were to carry a regular notebook, I don't forsee myself running everything under the sun. It is mobile computing, surfing, and checking any internet related items. Sure you can play a few bits of multimedia here and there but that is about what I would mainly use mobile computing for.

Yes you can do that same thing with the regular laptop but here is where those two reasons come into play.

Size. You can't beat a netbook in terms of portability and weight. It is no cell phone or PDA but it has all the comforts of a usable keyboard and a bit more power to run computer programs and not just mobile apps.

Battery life. When is the last time you see on average a regular notebook get 6+ hours of battery life on typical usage? With a bit larger batteries, they can go for alot longer. Perfectly long enough for on and off day's of mobile computing and possibly long flights.

This maybe the mindset for many users who want a netbook.


RE: netbooks
By afkrotch on 2/27/2009 2:39:44 PM , Rating: 2
Yep. I was so pissed when the Asus's EeePC first game out. I just blew $600 on a 12.1" laptop that I'd be using for long international flights. Netbooks can easily get double or triple my battery life.

All I'd do with the laptop is watch movies on the flights and charge my Zune.


RE: netbooks
By GaryJohnson on 2/27/2009 1:55:18 PM , Rating: 3
Lies. Netbooks can still be had for $300. Less if you shop around. I paid $240 for mine. Where can you get a dual core notebook for $240?


RE: netbooks
By Oregonian2 on 2/28/2009 3:29:28 AM , Rating: 2
Yes, Costco has two models of netbooks, the cheaper one is $250 I think, and the "spendy" HP one is $350 or so.


Can we please...
By Motoman on 2/27/09, Rating: -1
RE: Can we please...
By Steve1981 on 2/27/2009 12:23:15 PM , Rating: 2
Its a small underpowered notebook!


RE: Can we please...
By Oregonian2 on 2/28/2009 3:31:20 AM , Rating: 2
It's small, but also light in weight and inexpensive. It's all three.


RE: Can we please...
By therealnickdanger on 2/27/2009 12:24:14 PM , Rating: 3
I would say that the difference is pretty clear. With a handful of exceptions, notebooks (laptops) always come with optical drives, 12"+ inch screens, "modern" CPUs, and "modern" operating systems. Netbooks typically don't (and arguably shouldn't) have any of this.


RE: Can we please...
By Motoman on 2/27/09, Rating: -1
RE: Can we please...
By afkrotch on 2/27/2009 2:25:01 PM , Rating: 2
So an iPhone is a really small laptop with added phone features?


RE: Can we please...
By Motoman on 2/27/2009 3:36:29 PM , Rating: 3
No, it's an overpriced gadget lacking in standard features.

But that's beside the point, and you are intentially warping the intent of my post.


RE: Can we please...
By afkrotch on 2/27/2009 4:03:36 PM , Rating: 2
yes...yes I am.


RE: Can we please...
By Oregonian2 on 2/28/2009 3:37:16 AM , Rating: 2
I suppose one could argue that laptop is a wasted name too, it's just a portable desktop (and they often sit on desktops anyway). They have all the same features as a desktop too: cpu, memory, LCD Display, USB ports, etc.

More seriously, I like the term netbook (don't really care what it is, but that it has a new name).

A netbook is similar to a laptop but is:

1. small
2. light
3. very inexpensive

There are compromises to gain those three simultaneously, but that's the netbook.

Some will undoubtedly creep away from all three of those, and as they do (especially with weight) I'll agree those are moving into the "laptop" category.


RE: Can we please...
By omnicronx on 2/27/2009 12:28:20 PM , Rating: 2
They run on a different platform what do you expect. Do you consider MID's an ultra small laptop? Afterall its just a portable computer with a smaller form and screen.

They are completely different markets, thus the need for the differentiation between netbooks and notebooks. Unless people plan on wearing glasses by the time they are 40, notebooks are not going anywhere.


RE: Can we please...
By Motoman on 2/27/2009 12:43:54 PM , Rating: 3
...different platform? It's all x86.

You're being silly with the MID reference. Clearly a "netbook" is nothing but a smaller form-factor notebook.

And I see no possible way that they are "completely different markets." It's exactly the same market. I see no fundamental reason why someone who walks into BBY thinking "I want a netbook" wouldn't walk out with a "notbook" after seeing that a notebook costs less and gives you more than a "netbook," and they're OK with the size. Conversely, someone could walk into BBY intending to buy a "laptop" and end up with a "netbook" because they decided, upon live comparison, that they were willing to pay the extra money for a smaller unit that is easier to lug around.

All the same thing. Small fries, medium fries, large fries. All french fries.


RE: Can we please...
By GaryJohnson on 2/27/2009 1:49:51 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Small fries, medium fries, large fries. All french fries.

But by your logic, we shouldn't ever refer to anything as a 'small fries' right becasue they're really just 'french fries'.

Netbook is a sub-class of notebook, how 'small fries' is a sub-class of 'french fries'. All netbooks are notebooks, but not all notebooks are netbooks.


RE: Can we please...
By Motoman on 2/27/2009 3:42:17 PM , Rating: 1
...so then by your logic a small order of fries carries the same food value (and cost/price) as a large order?

You're being deliberately obtuse.

While you are certainly correct that "netbook" is a sub-class of notebook, my contention is that it's not a different "species," with apologies to Linneaus. A "netbook" is a small notebook. Period.


RE: Can we please...
By Steve1981 on 2/27/2009 3:49:27 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
While you are certainly correct that "netbook" is a sub-class of notebook, my contention is that it's not a different "species"


Indeed. However, its worthwhile to differentiate them by name because they are a different and relatively new class of notebook.


RE: Can we please...
By Motoman on 2/27/2009 4:05:23 PM , Rating: 2
New? I have a Toshiba laptop at home, not with me at the moment so I can't find a date for you...but it's probalby 10 years old, with like a 500Mhz PIII processor, around a 10" screen, about an inch thick, and with no onboard optical drive. So did Toshiba invent the "netbook" a decade ago? Every condition you can make up for what a "netbook" is is present in my old Toshiba.


RE: Can we please...
By Steve1981 on 2/27/2009 4:13:39 PM , Rating: 2
It's about intended use of the design. These netbooks aren't intended for much use beyond browsing the net, hence the name. At the time, your Toshiba was likely hot stuff and was likely designed to handle a little more.


RE: Can we please...
By Motoman on 2/27/2009 4:19:32 PM , Rating: 2
Maybe. But now it's not useful for much more than browsing the net...so as it aged should I have started referring to it as a netbook instead of a notebook?


RE: Can we please...
By Steve1981 on 2/27/2009 4:22:23 PM , Rating: 2
If you wish.

What would you call a 10 year old Xeon? It theoretically was at one point a good server/workstation CPU. It's probably not much more better than an Atom now.


RE: Can we please...
By Motoman on 2/27/2009 4:24:55 PM , Rating: 1
...just pointing out the absurdity of your assertion that the "netbook" form factor/design/whatever is a new concept.


RE: Can we please...
By Steve1981 on 2/27/2009 4:31:13 PM , Rating: 2
Other laptops in the past may have had similar specifications; however, the "netbook" is a new concept because its intended use is different from those other laptops.


RE: Can we please...
By afkrotch on 2/27/2009 6:39:08 PM , Rating: 2
The form factor is not new. The design of being low spec'd with long battery life with the whole purpose of nothing more than surfing the net and simple word processing is a new concept.


RE: Can we please...
By afkrotch on 2/27/2009 6:36:09 PM , Rating: 2
Back then, it'd be consider an ultraportable. Why? That would have been a very powerful small laptop with horrible battery life. Hell the thing had an 8mb graphics card. Extremely powerful for laptops back then.

A netbook has a low powered, low processing power cpu with enough graphics capability to pretty much display the OS, play flashgames, and play games from a decade ago (if that). Everything dumbed down to increase battery life to it's max.

My Dell 14" Inspiron 5000e from back then only had a 500 mhz P3 and an 8mb ATI Rage mobility graphics. It maxed out at 600 mhz P3 and a 16mb graphics. That was almost the best Dell had out a decade ago. They had a 15" model.

If a netbook is close in spec to a DTR, then I'd consider your old Toshiba a netbook and not an ultraportable.


RE: Can we please...
By afkrotch on 2/27/2009 4:11:46 PM , Rating: 2
Yep.

Netbook
Ultraportable
Notebook/Laptop
DTR (DeskTop Replacement)
Tablet
UMPC
Macbook

Throw more out. I don't think they classify 14", 15", and 16" notebooks as being different.


RE: Can we please...
By Motoman on 2/27/2009 4:23:29 PM , Rating: 1
I'd be perfectly fine throwing most of those out. Laptop is pretty much sufficient. You might have a more powerful, larger laptop as your preferred machine (DTR), or a dinky little one because you want to carry it in your Coach purse (ultraportable).


RE: Can we please...
By Steve1981 on 2/27/2009 4:32:50 PM , Rating: 4
quote:
I'd be perfectly fine throwing most of those out.


Go for it; but leave the rest of us be. There are those of us out there that are not offended by sub-classifying the laptop segment.


RE: Can we please...
By GaryJohnson on 2/27/2009 4:59:42 PM , Rating: 2
On your first point, I am saying that if someone is in the market for some 'french fries' and wants 'small fries' they're not going to want 'large fries'.

Just like if someone wants a notebook, specifically a netbook, they're not going to want a desktop replacement.

On your second point, you seem to be agreeing with me. so.. :)


RE: Can we please...
By Motoman on 2/27/2009 6:04:27 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
On your second point, you seem to be agreeing with me. so.. :)


?

quote:
Just like if someone wants a notebook, specifically a netbook, they're not going to want a desktop replacement.


...and instead of flooding the market with superfluous monikers like "destop replacement" and "netbook" I am saying let's just stick with "laptop" or "notebook" (on that point I don't care...pick one) and recognize the fact that different laptops, like different PCs and different toasters have different specs.

That's it. I'm just saying let's simplify this. Specifically, I have been thinking about this from the average consumer's point of view. *I* know what the difference is between a netbook and a DTR, as do you and the other technically-inclined readers of DT (and remember, all we get here at DT are the technically inclined)...but to the average consumer, throwing extra labels all over everything just confuses the issue.


RE: Can we please...
By noirsoft on 2/27/2009 10:59:34 PM , Rating: 2
There is a difference between a slot-loading toaster and a toaster oven, and there is a difference between a netbook and a desktop replacement notebook.

Imagine if we didn't have these names.

Customer: I want a computer
Salesperson: What kind?
Customer: a laptop computer
Salesperson: What kind?
Customer: A small one.
Salesperson: How small?
Customer: really small.
Salesperson: What are you going to use it for?
Customer: Basic stuff.
Salesperson: Games and movies?
Customer: No, just email and internet.
Salesperson: Okay, right over here.

Versus

Customer: I want a netbook
Salesperson: Right over here.

See? Named subcategories make for more efficient conversations.


RE: Can we please...
By Motoman on 2/27/2009 11:05:26 PM , Rating: 2
...except that the average consumer has no idea what "netbook" is. Nor are they going to ask for a desktop replacement, or an ultraportable.

You're projecting your own expertise on the unwashed consumer masses. These people still think digital watches are kind of nifty.


RE: Can we please...
By Oregonian2 on 2/28/2009 3:42:37 AM , Rating: 2
They will use the new name once it's used for a bit.

Before digital cameras came out, nobody knew to ask for a digital camera, but they still came out with them and they're asked for now rather than having to ask for a camera that doesn't use film and can connect to ones computer.


RE: Can we please...
By afkrotch on 2/27/2009 2:33:01 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
And I see no possible way that they are "completely different markets." It's exactly the same market.


If they are all the same market, then gamers should buy netbooks for gaming then? Why spend all that extra money for a gaming notebook? I mean...it's all the same market.

They are completely different markets. It's like the automotive market. You have your coupes, sedans, SUVs, pickup trucks, exotics, etc. They are geared towards different users.

Yes, they are all vehicles with 4 wheels and an engine, but they are segregated as they are purpose built.

Yes, a netbook is a smaller notebook, but it's easier to say netbook, then say smaller notebook. It also helps to differentiate more too. It is a netbook, smaller notebook, ultra portable, UMPC, tablet, PDA?


RE: Can we please...
By Motoman on 2/27/2009 3:35:34 PM , Rating: 2
You're not using good metaphors, and I think you know it.

Say you walk into a store looking for a mouse pad. Your expectation is that a mousepad is 6" square. But there's one that's 8" square. Another is 5" square. Here's one that's 6x8". And this one is round! WTF?

Do we label the 5" unit as a "portapad" since it's made to be easier to carry, and the 8" unit the "propad" since it's made for "professional" users?

...or does it make sense to just call them all mouse pads, recognize the obvious fact that they come in different sizes and shapes, and therefore different pads will naturally be attractive to different users? Hmmm...


RE: Can we please...
By afkrotch on 2/27/2009 3:59:36 PM , Rating: 2
If I were going to look for a mousepad, I'd be asking if they had a gaming mousepad first. If they answer no, I leave.

I make differentiations in what I want. If I'm looking for a specific laptop. I'll as for it. Do you have a netbook, do you have an ultra portable, do you have a gaming laptop, do you have a desktop replacement, etc.

Going in asking for "mousepad" or "laptop" is just gonna be a big waste of time. Do you go into Blockbuster and ask "do you have movies?" or do you ask for a specific movie?

If my company makes 50 different mouse pads, I'm going to make sure ppl know they are different mouse pads. Made of course for different purposes.

I am in no way saying a netbook isn't a laptop. I'm simply saying that calling it something else is a good idea. For example, a netbook and an ultraportable are pretty much the same size. Difference is the ultraportable tends to have easily double the processing power and geared for different purposed. Asking for a really small laptop just doesn't cut it.

Also how is your analogy different from mine? We can change it up some.

quote:
Say you walk into a store looking for a vehicle. Your expectation is that a vehicle is 4 wheels, engine. But there's one that's 5 ft tall. Another is 10 ft long. Here's one that's 2 doors, 3ft tall. And this one is flying! WTF?


RE: Can we please...
By Motoman on 2/27/2009 4:18:37 PM , Rating: 2
...you're using a bad metaphor again to try to lend missing credence to your arguement.

People don't walk into an auto dealership saying "I am interested in a vehicle." They say "I'm looking for a new truck." Same thing as walking into BBY and saying "Greetings, gentle proprietor of this retail establishment! I am thinking of procuring an electronic device."

You're going to walk into BBY thinking you want a laptop. Maybe you already know the exact brand and model you want...maybe you don't. Maybe you know for a fact you want a very small laptop...maybe you aren't sure whether it's all that important to you that it's small. But you're looking for a laptop. Not a dishwasher. In the same manner that the guy walking into the auto dealership is looking for a truck, not a moped.

There's a reason why we call sometihng a "laptop" instead of a "washing machine." And in general, you can look at any particular item and apply some basic qualifiers to it...like it's big or small. If I am shopping for a washing machine, it's size may or may not be important to me...I might walk into BBY saying "I need a washing machine" without necessarily attaching much, if any, importance to it's size. Or maybe I know I have to fit it inside a small closet, so I'm going to ask for a "small" washing machine.

The point is that the differentiation that is being applied to the laptop market in order to justify the "netbook" is artificial. Again, I also feel the need to point out to DT readers that you are infinitely more technically adept than Joe Consumer, who is most likely just going to be confused by the term "netbook" anyway...like, "...does that mean it doesn't work unless it's connected to a network? 'Cuz it's a netbook? I don't have a network...so I guess maybe what I want is a small notebook. Huh-yuk."


RE: Can we please...
By hydrata on 2/27/2009 5:20:30 PM , Rating: 2
Basically you just want to be told you're right. So you know what, you're right...they're all computational processing units.

...geez, i've been articles that interest me on this site for months and finally i'm compelled to register just to say that. i'd love to meet you in real life motoman, because apparantly you're never wrong, or won't accept differing opinions. that would come in real handy at the roulette table when placing bets.


RE: Can we please...
By Motoman on 2/27/2009 5:59:41 PM , Rating: 1
...welcome to the site. I'm just more willing to critically think about things, rather than just accept what anyone else (including a whole market) tells me.

Some people don't think that way.

What is entertaining to me is that when a given person on this site agrees with me, then all's good. When that same someone disagrees with me, suddenly *I'm* not willing to accept differing opinions. Which in most cases I think says more about the observer than it does the observed...


RE: Can we please...
By Motoman on 2/27/2009 6:09:27 PM , Rating: 1
...just thought I'd elaborate a bit more.

Apparently, for some reason, I'm not allowed to have a *different* view from anyone else, and I'm not allowed to explain why I have that view, and I'm not allowed to say why I don't agree with the explanations others give as to why they have their positions. Any time I do that, I am apparently "unwilling" to accept other opinions, or something to that effect.

...but when my position serendipitously aligns with the masses here, then it's all just fine.

Take that for what it's worth.


RE: Can we please...
By Jimspar on 2/28/2009 7:44:49 PM , Rating: 2
What it's worth is that you have spent all this time arguing against several different people, and not one person has agreed with you. Yes, you are allowed to have your own opinion, as is everyone else. It's just to bad that none of your b1tc#1ng will any impact whatsoever on the advertising firm that coined the phrase, or the retailers that sell the product. No, you don't have to like it. Yes, you do have to accept it.


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