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Dell's Dimension E521 along with a few other models bring back Windows XP
Dell will once again offer XP on home PC and notebook models

Dell will again offer the Windows XP operating system due to high customer demand on the company's community feedback forum, IdeaStorm.  Dell, like most major PC manufacturers stopped selling Windows XP licenses with its PCs after the launch of Windows Vista.

By the end of March 2007, Dell only offered two computer models that home users could order with XP preinstalled rather than Vista -- many business PCs and notebooks still came with XP as an option.

Dell's IdeaStorm web site launched as a platform for consumers to be able to tell Dell what they want to see from the company in the future.  More than 11,000 votes flooded in demanding that Dell offer XP on home products again.

"We heard you loud and clear on bringing the Windows XP option back to our Dell consumer PC offerings," the company blogged on IdeaStorm.

Customers can now choose between XP Home or Professional on six models -- Dell Inspiron 1405, 1705, 1505, 1501; Dell Dimensions E520 and Dell E521.

Dell's IdeaStorm is also responsible for Dell's stance to bring Linux to its PCs and notebooks.


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Serves MS right
By derwin on 4/24/07, Rating: 0
RE: Serves MS right
By Volrath06660 on 4/24/07, Rating: -1
RE: Serves MS right
By icanlivewithit on 4/24/2007 2:24:16 AM , Rating: 2
Your point is valid for 0.00001% of consumers. Business users have other options.

Yes, we will need more memory eventually. But in two years, 2 GBs of fast RAM will still be enough to run most games, and certainly the home productivity apps that most mainstream consumers employ.

And as a side note, I've never seen MSFT market addressable memory space with Vista. We might care about it, but does the average HP or Dell computer buyer care?


RE: Serves MS right
By mlau on 4/24/2007 2:37:49 AM , Rating: 4
xp64 can address >4gb, as can server2003 32-bit
(with PAE-capable CPUs [first Xeons]). How many ordinary
consumers do have windows boxes with even 2 gb ram?

MS released Vista because some support contracts had a clause
in it which stated that they would release 2 windows versions
during the lifetime of this contract. By the end of 2006 a lot
of those contracts ran out and MS would have had to return a
lot of money if they didn't push vista out the door to
companies before (that's why it was "released" to companies
in late 2006 and to "consumers" in feb 07)


RE: Serves MS right
By overzealot on 4/24/2007 3:00:06 AM , Rating: 2
For someone upset about misinformation about vista, you REALLY ought to get your facts straight about XP64. I've been running it non-stop for the last year, so I'll do the honour of correcting some of YOUR misinformation.
Max memory Windows XP x64 is can reference 128 GB (same as vista 64bit), last I checked most people don't buy 32gb memory sticks so this isn't much of a problem. (check wikipedia if you don't beleive me)
Stability? As good if not better than XP. Explorer in particular crashes less for me.
Clunky? Give me a break. HDD access is faster, VM access is a little slower. Considering that the usual reason for running it is being able to address more RAM, I think VM clunkyness isn't much of a problem.
It boots up faster, and the few x64 apps available do have noticable performance increase.
It costs the same as xp oem, and doesn't have Windows Genuine Advantage.

I do understand the downsides, lack of 16-bit support, programs taking up a little more memory, but it hasn't been clunky or unstable since the beta.


RE: Serves MS right
By Conman530 on 5/2/2007 10:20:44 PM , Rating: 2
Just use Windows XP x64 Edition, the best, most secure, virusless, awesomely stable OS IMHO. It accesses 128GB of RAM too, and is not unstable or clunky by any means (I think you were confused and describing Vista, LOL.) Volrath: go fly a kite, and for everyone else: buy up the last XP Pro x64s at Newegg for $139.99.

Booyaa!!!!


RE: Serves MS right
By fliguy84 on 4/24/2007 2:03:55 AM , Rating: 2
Actually there is such project. It's called Alky.

More info here: http://alkyproject.blogspot.com/2007/04/finally-ma...


RE: Serves MS right
By Hare on 4/24/2007 3:13:39 AM , Rating: 2
That project is doomed. I believe "DX10" with XP would require your CPU to be used for most of the "advanced" features making the whole system extremely slow. I heared that XP drivers for the GPU can't support DX10 so there's another big hurdle.


RE: Serves MS right
By Pandamonium on 4/24/2007 3:37:13 AM , Rating: 2
Why the hell should MS support a 7 year old product?

We're fortunate that MS has continued to update XP to where it is today. Your bitching about a $20 difference in OEM pricing is what holds MS back from releasing newer software. XP is fine, but there is no reason why MS should continue supporting it.


RE: Serves MS right
By icanlivewithit on 4/24/2007 4:04:53 AM , Rating: 4
Actually, there are approximately 400 million reasons why MSFT should continue supporting XP. The problem is there's little money to be had in it.

What MSFT has failed to do is provide the average user incentive to upgrade. And when OEMs like Dell turn their backs, it does not bode well for Vista.


RE: Serves MS right
By SavagePotato on 4/24/2007 9:59:31 AM , Rating: 2
Buisnesses will change naturaly as they always have. When their hardware dies. I may be wrong but I beleive I read that XP will be supported till 2011. That timeline would fall in perfectly with how long 98 was supported.

Many of the buisnesses albeit smaller ones that we deal with are still running 98. Buisnesses have a way of leaving something in place as long as humanly possible as long as it's working and not too excruciating to use.

Vista isn't going to go anywhere, there was the same debates and pontification about XP and even 2000 when it came out. Change is inevitable, and it is good.


RE: Serves MS right
By mac2j on 4/24/2007 4:09:00 PM , Rating: 2
I think there are a bunch of MS employees posting on this thread....

Vista is garbage and offers very little incentive to upgrade unless you're the manager of an office full of morons who you cant trust not to fill their computers with viruses and spyware.

Vista is slower, clunkier, more resource hungry, and more of nag than XP and offers very little to reward you for putting up with all of that.

I won't be "upgrading" to it ever and my business won't either. MS's best case is that most people will leapfrog Vista and upgrade to its successor in 2009 (IF they do a better job) - otherwise Apple will eventually no longer be able to resist releasing OSX-PC.


RE: Serves MS right
By solgae1784 on 4/24/2007 4:45:06 PM , Rating: 2
Just so you know, there aren't just MS employees who like Vista...

Yes, it does have higher system requirements, and yes UAC is annoying as hell. Other than that, though, I'm quite happy with Vista and if you have a machine not too old, I'd say jump for it. So does that make me an MS employee?


RE: Serves MS right
By Domicinator on 4/24/2007 4:59:35 PM , Rating: 1
1. If you hate UAC that much, it's very easily turned off. Just don't expect it to be any more secure than XP afterwards.

2. Vista runs just as well for me as XP did, and I play a lot of games and have a very wide spectrum of software that runs on Vista just fine. And believe me, it's not stuff that was optimized for Vista.

So I guess I'm an MS employee too then. I've had a terrific experience with Vista and I've been using it since launch. Now that the Nvidia drivers are pretty well straightened out and some patches have been released, things are running better than ever.


RE: Serves MS right
By SavagePotato on 4/24/2007 6:59:05 PM , Rating: 1
Well, no I work for a small private internet provider that is part of and electronics store. I actually do run Vista and it is quite fast, feels far smoother than XP. We use it on two of the systems in the back without any issues, neither of which are powerhouses. As well I use it on my home system which is somewhat stacked performance wise, however the general feel of the os is preferable to XP on it. I'm often curious if Vista bashers have ever made use of it.

Honestly though who upgrades? and for that matter what business upgrades an os on existing hardware? At least Ive never seen it done. Any that I have dealt with are usually still clinging to 8 year old hardware and the only time an upgrade comes into play is when it dies and gets a forced upgrade. Personally I don't believe in "upgrading" an os on an existing box for the mainstream user. It's just a waste of time, use the machine up buy a new one for 1200 bucks in three years preloaded with Vista. If you do want to upgrade though it isn't the big bad deal people think it is.

User account control? I barely find noticeable. I don't know about the offices where you come from, but the ones here are chock full of morons that you cant trust not to fill their computers full of viruses and spyware. Heck every machine we use thats not in the service department is deep-freezed for that reason. I doubt however based on the level of misuse I see on a daily basis of XP machines however that UAC is going to stop the unbelievable carelessness of some of the people getting malware-ed out there.

However. People that get a new computer after the end of this year will likely be getting Vista whether they like it or not. Since oem shipping is going to end, and I doubt new users are going to reload the systems to get Vista off with an old XP key. I mean they wouldn't be THAT big a bunch of anal technophobes would they?


good for dell
By C36 on 4/24/2007 12:59:34 AM , Rating: 3
isn't better for DELL. older software might equal bigger profits

once you turn off UAC vista is not so bad but somehow with XP my pc ran faster plus most games work. vista on the other hands is finicky




RE: good for dell
By duzytata on 4/24/2007 1:40:29 AM , Rating: 4
UAC doesn't bother me much at all. I might see it once a day, and its a great security feature imo. Also, I haven't had any problems with games running on Vista either. Of course gaming performance is a little slower thanks to nVidia and AMD dragging their feet on some good drivers, but they will improve with time. If you're in the market for a new computer, I see no reason not to go with Vista.


RE: good for dell
By Pryde on 4/24/2007 4:29:49 AM , Rating: 4
The OS may consume a little more resources than XP but that is how it has been with every OS upgrade.

UAC is there to protect the user, It is unnecessary for the advanced users who know not to let unknown programs run but most of the PC users do not know this and is the number 1 way that your PC gets infected with a virus.

Give Vista a year to mature, there are still many features that have yet to fully be explored like DX10. I just wish they only released 64 bit vista.


RE: good for dell
By Slaimus on 4/24/2007 10:46:51 AM , Rating: 2
This is actually good for MS as well. When Vista is widely accepted, then those people with XP would still need to buy the Vista upgrade at that time.

It is past the MS Tech Guarentee period, so they are not eligible for a free Vista upgrade.


Learn from "KristopherKubicki of Dailytech"
By crystal clear on 4/24/2007 2:36:25 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Dell's IdeaStorm web site launched as a platform for consumers to be able to tell Dell what they want to see from the company in the future.


I always believed in this "Idea"

Its your money-You decide !
You decide what hardware & software go into your computer-

"You get what you want,because You am paying for it".

I think all desktop/laptop vendors should bring in such a platform.

Its good for the companies PR,marketing/sales,communication,
market research etc.
Such platforms inspire brand loyality & gives the vendors
an "IDEA" whats in demand.

From the buyer point of view such communications break the barrier between the buyer & seller.
Atleast "somebody" is listening to YOU on the other side.

KristopherKubicki of Dailytech for example puts the most
essential stuff in D.T. website-the personal touch & communications.
He through the comment system responds to your comments-
gives you the impression that he cares & involved just as much as we are in 2 way process.




By crystal clear on 4/24/2007 4:19:42 AM , Rating: 1
Some news items ....

AMD Marks AMD64 Anniversary With Widespread Availability Of New Highest-Performing AMD Opteron™ Processor

http://www.amd.com/us-en/Corporate/VirtualPressRoo...

http://www.digitimes.com/mobos/a20070423PR203.html

The DirectX 10-supporting AMD R600 graphics chip made on 65nm will be available on the market on May 19 after months of delay, according to sources with Taiwan's graphics card distributors.

http://www.digitimes.com/mobos/a20070423PD213.html

Intel cuts server and desktop CPU prices

http://www.digitimes.com/mobos/a20070424VL202.html


By James Holden on 4/24/2007 2:27:23 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Intel cuts server and desktop CPU prices

http://dailytech.com/Intel+Slashes+Prices+and+Sile...


By KristopherKubicki (blog) on 4/24/2007 4:38:39 AM , Rating: 2
Appreciate the kind words


By spartan014 on 4/24/2007 7:02:47 AM , Rating: 1
But I think its just Dell's PR bullshit..

Reason for Dell starting to offer XP based systems again?

It is because they have got sales going down. They lost market share..

IDC and Gartner reports show that personal computer sales for Dell continued to fall in the first quarter for overall global sales. Dell worldwide shipments fell 6.9 percent since the first quarter of 2006, IDC reports indicate. Overall, the U.S. market has been the biggest problem for Dell -- PC shipments dropped 14.4 even though the overall PC market grew a total of 3.6 percent.

Quoted from Dailytech article..
DailyTech - HP Extends Market Lead Over Dell


the message is clear
By johnsonx on 4/24/2007 10:00:08 AM , Rating: 2
The message is clear: Vista as failed.

sorry, couldn't resist.... bad johnsonx <slap> bad!

That's just SO 2005!




RE: the message is clear
By johnsonx on 4/24/2007 10:03:15 AM , Rating: 4
damn, I screwed it up too. Vista HAS failed, not AS... moron. It might have been borderline amusing if not for that.

I'll go away now.


why hate vista
By sprockkets on 4/24/2007 8:46:09 AM , Rating: 1
More DRM, changed default folders, requires more resources but for new computers that is ok, less battery life on laptops, again changed things around for the sake of change, and of course for the time being, poor driver support.

People have a hard enough time with XP, and then for those people they have to learn everything all over again.

Yes, there are advantages to using it. I'll wait at least till next year when drivers become more commonplace. Or at least 64 bit drivers are as common or more supported than 32 bit.




RE: why hate vista
By JLL55 on 4/24/2007 9:21:28 AM , Rating: 2
Actually it has been shown to increase battery life on laptops not decrease. Everything else I agree on!


Honestly
By SavagePotato on 4/24/2007 10:40:24 AM , Rating: 2
I really do get a charge out of some of the attitude toward change out there. I thing the most likely reason dell is making a move to offer XP again is no more difficult to figure than that people are still asking for it. Companies like dell do spend time doing research and information gathering on things like this. If 500k people call and say why can't I still get XP I think it's obvious what they are going to do.

That being said, It's not going to be a choice forever. The time line I believe I saw indicated XP phased out as an oem sales option direct from Microsoft by fall. Then what? do you really think people are going to move to Linux or something?

There still is no other game in town, and despite the existance of say OSX or Linux do you realy think people are going to opt to go to an os that is 90% different and has 2% of the comparitive software support over one thats 90% similar and has 99% of the software support?

Stop being so afraid of change folks.




By DrKillPatient on 4/24/2007 12:39:16 PM , Rating: 2
I ordered a (pretty much) fully loaded Inspiron E1705 this past Saturday (4/21) and I could not get XP Pro, though I tried. I was told I have to wipe and re-install. I did see a choice on the Web Site if you get the XPS notebook.




XP Must be kept alive
By paulpod on 4/24/2007 3:06:31 PM , Rating: 2
I can build my own stuff but MS and the OEMs must keep XP alive for those that can't.

There are applications and usage models that Vista will simply never support.

I record and manipulate a large number of very big HD recording files. The XP explorer app allows for fast and simple selection and movement of files. The bloated version in Vista does not work at all because it is optimized for a completely different user.

On my hardware, copying files from an XP folder share to Vista does not work. It gets 5MB/s where booting XP on the same hardware gets 35MB/s. Copying from an XP system to Vista share also gets 35MB/s. I've seen several forum discussions on this bug and tried all workarounds to no avail. Since this is on ancient, NForce4 hardware there is no chance of a fix.

Bottom line is that in key areas, Vista is a totally different OS than XP. There are also areas where it is far inferior. Back in the old days I would have accused it of being a "Russian Plot" to destroy western productivity. Instead, it is really just the most misguided marketing driven product change since New Coke.

Here is the approach that Vista SHOULD have taken: Assume users have written out exact instructions, click by click, for all management operations. Vista MUST work if those same instructions are followed.




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