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Apple's new ads claim that its notebooks are "the greenest family of notebooks". While this might be a bit of hyperbole, are Apple's environmental efforts as horribly lacking as Dell says?  (Source: Apple)

A recent Wall Street Journal article reveals that Dell itself, who claims to be the "greenest tech company on the planet" has some seriously suspect environmental claims.
Dell talks big when it comes to greenness, but is it on level?

Apple claimed in a recent series of commercials to have "the world's greenest family of notebooks".  While its claims of superiority over other OEMs, many who have similar designs, Apple has made some key improvements.  It has eliminated brominated and chlorinated flame retardants and other halogen and plastic products from its laptop line.  It has also cut down on power consumption, thanks in part to adopting cutting-edge Intel processors.  Even Greenpeace, not known for pulling punches, said that Apple had come a long way, though it ultimately deemed that the company had not come far enough.

However, those improvements weren't good enough for Dell, which blasted Apple last week in a harshly worded blog post.  The blog by Dell VP of Communities & Conversations Bob Pearson says of Apple's green efforts, "Apple hasn’t stated any goals, just made claims, which as far as we can tell, are not accurate."

Mr. Pearson scolds Apple for failing to try to achieve carbon neutrality, something he brags that Dell is already doing.  He also chides Apple for failing to offer sufficient recycling programs.  He continues his roast of Apple stating:

We don’t recall Apple joining the conversation about the environment, either via key conferences or the blogosphere or via reporter meetings…Don’t skip this step and go right to ads that may not even be truthful…We wish Apple would be more bold in making a difference rather than making ads. If they do both, then fantastic, run all the ads you want.

Unfortunately for Dell, its tough talk drew The Wall Street Journal to investigate the company's own environmental claims in depth only to find that Dell itself may be equally, if not more un-green. 

While Apple may claim to have the greenest notebooks, Dell claims to be "the greenest technology company on the planet" and says it has been carbon neutral since the summer.  Not so, says The Wall Street Journal.  It points out that the company's carbon footprint is a self determined metric, with no agreement upon standard.  Thus Dell arbitrarily picked its carbon footprint to encompass its boilers and company-owned cars, its buildings' electricity use, and its employees' business air travel.

As the report points out, Dell claiming carbon neutrality is specious at best as the carbon emissions generated from the sources cited are just a drop in the bucket compared to Dell-related emissions from the oil used by Dell's suppliers to make its computer parts, the diesel and jet fuel used to ship those computers around the world, or the coal-fired electricity used to run them.  In an interview Dell officials perhaps unintentionally acknowledged this stating that the real footprint from these sources is 10 times the size of the Dell-selected footprint.

Thus Dell is really only 5 percent carbon neutral, the report concludes.  Additionally of the carbon footprint it is cutting, most of its "cuts" come from purchasing carbon credits, a questionable practice.  Carbon credits consist of a company buying certified credits which amount to investment in green efforts such as alternative energy or tree planting.  However, many skeptics have pointed out that many of these efforts would continue even without the carbon credits, negating any real change in carbon caused by purchasing credits.

Dane Parker, Dell's director of environment, health and safety, has acknowledged that his company's claims are a bit unbelievable.  He states, "There are skeptics of carbon neutrality who will say, 'That's kind of bogus.'  Instead of using that as an excuse for inaction, we've said, 'There's a lot you can do.'"

Some advocates of carbon credits, like Bill Burtis, spokesman for Clean Air-Cool Planet, a Portsmouth, N.H.-based nonprofit group that advises companies on how to reduce their greenhouse-gas emissions defend Dell's claims.  He says Dell is "going farther than most corporations" to be environmentally responsible.

Ultimately, though a careful examination of Dell's own lofty claims reveals significant cause for doubt.  The irony, though, is that few would have questioned its greenness, outside of environmental advocacy groups, had it not gone around challenging its competitor’s greenness.



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Staying Focused
By SeanatDell on 1/1/2009 11:47:02 AM , Rating: 3
Hi Jason -

Thanks for shining a spotlight on this topic. We set a voluntary and public goal in September 2007 to neutralize the carbon-emissions impact of our operations by pursuing a three-tiered strategy: 1) increasing energy-efficiency 2) maximizing purchases of green power and 3) responsibly offsetting remaining effects. We met this first-year goal in August, more than five months ahead of the schedule we set in 2007 and stated publicly and clearly that "our work was only getting started."

The guidelines we used to measure carbon-neutrality are widely used by companies including News Corp. (parent company of the WSJ). We are not the first to meet a carbon-neutral goal, and we obviously hope many, many more will follow. Yahoo, Google and HSBC have also taken a leadership role in this regard.

The process isn't perfect, but we believe it is the best companies have at their disposal today. The questions raised by the WSJ also aren't new. However, they shouldn't deter companies from doing everything they can to lessen the effect their operations have on the environment.

I'd encourage your readers to check out Eric Carlson's post at Carbonfund.org to learn more about why it's important that companies continue to invest in green power - http://carbonfund.blogspot.com/2008/12/dell-and-ne...

Again, thanks for shining the spotlight on this topic.

- SeanatDell




RE: Staying Focused
By theendofallsongs on 1/1/09, Rating: -1
RE: Staying Focused
By rcsinfo on 1/1/2009 1:53:07 PM , Rating: 5
I have an idea for improving Dell's "Green" credentials:

For all new computers stop installing a 30 day trial for antivirus software that constantly nags users to pay for the full version from the minute they unpack the computer. Leave an installation program on the hard drive if you like, but don't make us jump through McAfee (or Trend Micro, or whoever is paying you this month) removal hoops for every new PC. AV software by nature is more integrated with the OS and tends to have the most uninstall problems of any software.

This change will cut down dramatically on the loud swearing that accompanies a new Dell PC. Less swearing - less CO2.


RE: Staying Focused
By tjr508 on 1/1/2009 3:04:42 PM , Rating: 2
Every company does that for their ultra-cheapo consumer grade products. Dell's business lines are rock solid machines with no extra bulk.


RE: Staying Focused
By melgross on 1/2/2009 10:45:56 AM , Rating: 2
They suck, which is why, despite some prices so low that Dell loses money on the product, their sales are in trouble, and their profits are disappearing.

Some day, Michael Dell will have to follow his own advice, and shut the company down, and return what little money is left to the remaining shareholders.

See, that's the other view.


RE: Staying Focused
By Sazar on 1/1/2009 11:26:47 PM , Rating: 2
You are ONE consumer who feels this way. Dell is in the market to look out for it's consumers AND it's shareholders and is also, on the side, dedicating time and energy and efforts to reduce it's impact on the environment.

What exactly have you done for the environment? Are you getting power from the grid generated by renewable resources? Do you recycle? What do you do?


RE: Staying Focused
By tjr508 on 1/1/2009 12:40:28 PM , Rating: 3
I really hate to respond so poorly to an official statement, but the mentioned efforts seem to benefit sales, profits, and and political ties much more than the environment.

Why not offset some significantly harmful pollutants like heavy metals and carcinogenic compounds rather than the relatively harmless and already low carbon emissions?


RE: Staying Focused
By spread on 1/1/2009 1:47:16 PM , Rating: 3
Sean at Dell,

How about focusing on actually having a carbon neutral impact instead of playing around with some numbers to make it seem that way.

- Alex at Home.


RE: Staying Focused
By nerdtalker on 1/1/09, Rating: -1
RE: Staying Focused
By spread on 1/1/2009 9:12:43 PM , Rating: 1
Stop playing games on your laptop then.

When you push your laptop to the limit with a resource heavy application like a game expect it to heat up.


RE: Staying Focused
By plewis00 on 1/3/2009 10:08:06 PM , Rating: 2
I don't think asking a gaming laptop to play games without it overheating is asking too much. And I know it's a problem because my M1530 keeps engaging the thermal cutout and turning off during intense workloads - it's not a Dell issue anyway it's an nVidia one.

Back to topic, the whole green debate is just getting out of hand - seems more like first-world governments are just trying to abscond themselves from blame and remove themselves from the limelight after the whole war and terrorism fiasco.

If people are serious about being green then it shouldn't be used as a marketing tool to get one over on a rival, it should be done because it's the right thing to do. Would you go shouting with a megaphone down the street because you gave more to charity last year than your neighbour?


RE: Staying Focused
By spread on 1/3/2009 10:19:40 PM , Rating: 2
You bought the SUV of laptops, this is to be expected. Most people buy these things as desktop replacements and not as real laptops.

"Waiter, I'd like to complain about this ***** sandwich I've ordered."

"Oh, yes sir, the ***** sandwich. What's the matter with it?"

"Well, my god, man! It's full of *****!"


Lastly, this is not about altruism or about humility. This is about business first and this is what Dell had in mind. The only green important to Dell is in your wallet.


RE: Staying Focused
By Quiescent on 1/6/2009 5:11:53 PM , Rating: 2
The whole point about complaining about a product is to make the product better.

Thin is in, small is in. So of course we want a product that is thin, small, powerful, and capable of playing games (or in my case, using task intense software) without overheating and using less voltage and wattage as possible.

Really, this is critique. Hey, your product is great! It would be awesome if it could do this, this, and this. I hope you keep this in mind and hopefully put it to use!

Some people may be asinine about it, but it's critique either way, even if it is just a complaint.


RE: Staying Focused
By KashGarinn on 1/2/2009 3:43:58 AM , Rating: 2
Nice to see you try and lower the damage this report will do for Dell Sean, but it won't work.

The fact is your Bob at Dell blasted apple for being non-green, stupidly might I add because he just checked whether dell had a "no-carbon-footprint" bullshit certificate and didn't really check whether Dell really was more green than Apple (he's a Dell insider, should have been able to crunch the numbers, it's a shame he didn't).

Idiot certificates will always be a useless marker, and idiot CEOs will always be useless to a company.

We'll laugh heartily at dell for being hipocrites Sean, but thanks for trying.


RE: Staying Focused
By ArynBergman on 1/4/2009 10:42:20 PM , Rating: 2
Hey Sean,
Don't pay any attention to those who are slamming your efforts at Dell to green your business. Unfortunately, there's more people who run around and point their fingers than those who are taking action to minimize their impacts on the environment.

Carbon footprinting is far from an exact science and it is still evolving. However, we do know that the majority of company's is typically comprised of it's day to day utility usage. I cannot comment on Dell's efforts in their manufacturing facilities, but I do know they have been extremely aggressive and open minded when it comes to their datacenters' energy consumption. That alone will save more energy/carbon than what most of us who visit this website will be able to do in our lifetimes. I and many others appreciate your efforts.

I do not work for nor do I own any Dell products (at the time I was last shopping around for my computers, Dell did not have any with Vista 64).


RE: Staying Focused
By Dreifort on 1/6/2009 4:22:52 PM , Rating: 2
No love for HP? They've been quite green for a number of years on their IPG side of business (printing). They recycle all their used ink cartridges and offer consumers easy way of shipping empty carts back to HP.

And I believe some of the more recent technology implemented into their computing line offers some green friendly power consumption.


Stating the Obvious
By GaryJohnson on 1/1/2009 11:20:20 AM , Rating: 4
So companies are claiming to be green just so they can sell more product to green-minded consumers? No really?




RE: Stating the Obvious
By rudolphna on 1/1/09, Rating: 0
RE: Stating the Obvious
By spread on 1/1/2009 1:55:16 PM , Rating: 2
There are ROHS certified computer parts. Its a start.


RE: Stating the Obvious
By foolsgambit11 on 1/1/2009 6:08:33 PM , Rating: 2
I power my computer from a solar panel and a windmill. Granted, the other end of my wireless internet connection is probably on a non-renewable power source. And the construction of the solar panel and windmill probably weren't that green in the first place....

I'm not too concerned about green construction. It's nice, and worth a small premium (very small) in my opinion. But much more important is power usage. Low power is key for how I use my computer.


so?
By omnicronx on 1/1/2009 1:35:22 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
the diesel and jet fuel used to ship those computers around the world, or the coal-fired electricity used to run them.
Along with every single other company in the world.. which still makes Dell a pretty environmental concious company. Are they seriously going to blame dell for using coal fired power? Like they have a choice?




RE: so?
By mmntech on 1/1/2009 2:25:25 PM , Rating: 1
Green, carbon neutrality. Can we ban these words please? Energy efficiency of electronics ultimately benefits us since it means less heat, better over clocking, longer battery life for laptops, etc. However, I think this whole green movement is a crock designed to brainwash people. It is and always has been a marketing ploy. All I ultimately care about is whether the end product is of top quality and that I'm getting my money's worth. How much of a "carbon foot print" the company has getting it to me means Jack Schmitt IMO.


By toyotabedzrock on 1/2/2009 2:02:31 AM , Rating: 2
Fact is that Dell is doing more than Apple to be green. Carbon credits do not fund research they pay for green energy to be generated and placed on the grid. The idea being that if you don't have the option to buy energy from green sources in a certain area, you can at least make sure that the carbon free energy is displacing a traditional source somewhere.

And Dell cannot force suppliers to be carbon neutral, they are however doing there part. And the fact there power comes from coal is meaningless, do you expect them to build there own power plant?




To quote Michael Dell.
By Seemonkeyscanfly on 1/2/2009 2:57:08 PM , Rating: 2
Duhoooo....




Fairness in Reporting?
By jhb116 on 1/2/2009 2:58:11 AM , Rating: 1
So the press isn't biased? Where is this investigative reporting when Al Gore releases his stuff? How about some real confirmations of which major scientific communities actually do support the "CO2" theory and which do not.

I interpret "many scientists agree" as; "we got some people, with the proper credentials, to say what we want them to say, justifying our campaign even though we don't really have a majority nor any real scientific wringing out of our theories. In fact we'll keep changing our theories and what we call our theories in public to keep everybody else thoroughly confused."

Talk about information warfare.....




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