quote: We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
quote: We have a bunch of proof you did it. Arrest & detainment. Here are the charges. Trial. What happened? Here's how the law applies to this case. Verdict.
quote: If there is a bunch of conclusive proof that the people in custody actually committed crimes and/or terrorist actions, why wouldn't they be quickly charged with crimes (war or other), and tried completely fairly? Isn't that how it works?
quote: 1) They're being held illegally.
quote: 2) There is no concrete evidence linking the prisoners with crimes.
quote: This isn't a formal war, nor are these wartime combatants.
quote: What happened to due process?
quote: Sir, these are NOT US citizens on US soil. The protections granted to us by the Constitution do NOT apply here. Get over that premise. These people fall under the rules of military tribunal, where their rights are more narrow, the burden of proof much less, and the entire process is more streamlined.
quote: There are certain rules that apply to detaining enemy soldiers
quote: The US is holding these people illegally under both scenarios.
quote: Our political leaders are ruining our country's reputation by not obeying international laws. We've become that kid on the playground who claims that rules don't apply to him because there's nobody around that can beat him up.
quote: Because as much as you and others like to believe all of these men are simply misunderstood decent people who are victims of a racist America, that's patently absurd.
quote: I'm all for a fair trial, because I am an American and not a hypocrite.
quote: The Geneva Convention doesn't apply to them precisely because USA refuses to recognize the Geneva Convention in the first place.
quote: That of having a fixed distinctive sign recognizable at a distance;
quote: Paragraph 43 of the Field Manual published by the War Department, United States Army, on 1st October, 1940, under the title " Rules of Land Warfare ", says: " National flags, insignias and uniforms as a ruse-in practice it has been authorised to make use of these as a ruse. The foregoing rule (Article 23 of the Annex of the IVth Hague Convention), does not prohibit such use, but does prohibit their improper use. It is certainly forbidden to make use of them during a combat. Before opening fire upon the enemy, they must be discarded ". The American Soldiers' Handbook, which was quoted by Defence Counsel, says: " The use of the enemy flag, insignia and uniform is permitted under some circumstances. They are not to be used during actual fighting, and if used in order to approach the enemy without drawing fire, should be thrown away or removed as soon as fighting begins ".
quote: That of conducting their operations in accordance with the laws and customs of war
quote: War has a separate set of rules for good reason. you should educate yourself on them.
quote: One of those "innocent" people set off a bomb in Yemen at a public cafe. Over 20 men, women, and children lost their lives. As well as many more injured.And you speak about the untimely deaths of the detainees and us becoming the monsters?
quote: None of the prisoners at Gitmo had the political clout to push the Patriot Act
quote: "rights" and due process, those are mechanisms of a free and peace loving society
quote: We didn't just round up a bunch of people and arbitrarily throw them in Guantanamo for no reason. Every single one of these people, I use people loosely, are guilty. By definition they are armed combatants!
quote: I completely agree with those of you that are saying that a trial for these guys is ludicrous. Would they have ever considered giving someone they captured a "fair trial?" No, they freaking cut their heads off and film it for the rest of the world. Why can't we do in kind?
quote: We are rewriting the rules that served us so we can punish these insurgents.
quote: What rules? In a traditional war prisoners would be kept until such time as hostilities ceased or their superiors would negotiate for a release/transfer etc etc.This is a completely unprecedented situation. These are NOT soldiers! Please get that through your heads. They have no clearly identified superiors who represent them. They don't have a country that officially recognizes them as combatants. We really have no option but to throw them in camps and try to figure out what to do with them.And no, simply closing Guantanamo and letting them all free is NOT a sane option.
quote: Those detainees are as human as you and me.
quote: Your idiocy knows no bounds.
quote: You might want to look up why people plot mass murder against the west.
quote: I'm not condoning any terrorist acts of course.