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Royalties systems threaten to bury web radio alive

“We're approaching a pull-the-plug kind of decision,” says Pandora founder Tim Westergren in an interview with the Washington Post, regarding the livelihood of his online radio station living under a massive royalty hike imposed last year. “This is like a last stand for webcasting.”

The rates that Westergren refers to were placed in effect last September by the Copyright Royalty Board and performance rights organization SoundExchange, who enforce and collect payments, respectively, on behalf of song owners for public performances of their music. Westergren’s service, Pandora, is one of the internet’s largest such performers – over a million listeners tune in the service per day – and one of the few online radio stations that give listeners the ability to create their own stations on the fly.

Online broadcasters both large and small decried the royalty rates when they were announced last year. Both analysts and the stations themselves predicted a nearly certain doom if the situation didn’t change fast. By and large, it didn’t. Despite heavy opposition, the new royalty rates – which analyst Kurt Hanson of radio industry newsletter RAIN once estimated to be a fourfold increase in costs – went into effect, and the issue quietly left the spotlight.

The CRB’s decision raised a then-current 8/100 of a cent per song per listener to 19/100 of a cent under the same conditions in 2010.

It appears, then, that broadcasters such as Pandora spent their time quietly suffering, while attempting to make the most of a bad situation and working for change on a legislative level. Those efforts appear to be making little real progress, however, and Post writer Peter Whoriskey notes that both sides of the debate still “appear to be far apart.”

Democratic representative Howard L. Berman of California says he spent the last week attempting to work out a deal last-minute between SoundExchange and companies like Pandora, but that an accord – if it is even possible – is still a long ways off.

“Most of the rate issues have not been resolved,” said Berman. “If it doesn't get much more dramatic quickly, I will extricate myself from the process.”

Pandora is already losing money as it is, says Westergren: 70 percent of its projected revenue of $25 million will be spent on royalties. Such an incredibly high cost could spell doom for Pandora and similar outfits, unless something is done quickly.

DailyTech interviewed Westergren roughly a year ago, and the overall tone appears to be the same now as it was then.

“The new rates would bankrupt us, along with every other webcaster in currently in operation,” Westergren told DailyTech.

“If you increase your rates, and if it puts those rate-paying stations out of business, then you’re going to get nothing. These rates essentially don’t rely on the understanding of the economics of web radio.”

Webcasters should have spent more time monetizing their content, says SoundExchange, which notes that “artists and copyright owners deserve to be fairly compensated for the blood and sweat that forms the core product of these businesses.”

RAIN notes that 25 percent of Pandora’s approximately 120-man workforce is dedicated to ad sales, and that in addition to its current advertising and hardware deals, it is considering the addition of smaller, more subtle “This session is sponsored by…” advertising slots.

Neither satellite nor terrestrial radio stations pay the same royalties as webcasters: terrestrial radio pays nothing – a position currently under attack – and satellite broadcasters work under a far less onerous rate of 6 or 7 percent of their revenue.

Smaller broadcasters could be facing even more trouble: many such stations could face royalty payments that sit between 100 and 300 percent of their revenue.

Theorists have their own special take on the matter. Originating from a book titled “The Gridlock Economy” by Columbia law professor Michael Heller, a problem arises when a particular good becomes essential to the success of an business spawned from its use; in that case, owners will “tend to ask for an amount close to the full value of the [business].” RAIN points out that while the standard 5 percent rate employed in most other countries and industries would be a reasonable rate for webcasters, “if [SoundExchange] has a shot at 75% or even 300% of revenues, they’re motivated to go for it! Even if it’s, in the long run, against their own interests.”

Regardless of the theories and speculation, however, Pandora is facing an urgent deadline that sits squarely in the short-term: its investors expected the site’s revenue to surpass its costs for the first time in 2009, until such expectations were put in jeopardy by SoundExchange’s rate hike. Westergren hinted that his investors may be “wearied” by the “constant haggling” over royalties, and that they are possibly pushing for an end.

“I was on the bus when I get this message on my Treo,” said Westergren, referring to the CRB’s decision last year. “I thought, ‘We’re dead.’”

“We're funded by venture capital,” he said later. “[Our investors are not] going to chase a company whose business model has been broken. So if it doesn't feel like it’s headed towards a solution, we're done.”



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Shutdown
By afkrotch on 8/20/2008 7:57:03 AM , Rating: 2
Well, guess they can just shutdown and call it a day. Then open up a satellite radio station or something.




RE: Shutdown
By Rebel44 on 8/20/2008 8:38:14 AM , Rating: 2
They can also move servers outside USA....


RE: Shutdown
By Spacecomber on 8/20/2008 8:47:05 AM , Rating: 5
A satellite radio station wouldn't be able to duplicate Pandora's main feature, which is to allow listeners to tailor the content to their individual interests.

I really like the Pandora model, though the bit rate of their stream (128 kbps) means that I tire of listening to it after an hour or so. Looks like they will never be able to afford more bandwidth when they are being crushed by royalty fees.

I'd think that the recording industry would be more supportive of streaming music. Sites like Pandora and Radio Paradise, for example, have their playlists tied in to online sellers of music like Amazon, which essentially means that they function as a high quality preview source, making it easy to purchase any music you like by the track or by the CD.

As much as I object to piracy, it's hard not to view the RIAA as existing even lower on the moral food chain. They seem to have no capacity for co-operation with the interests of others.


RE: Shutdown
By NaughtyGeek on 8/20/2008 11:08:13 AM , Rating: 4
quote:
A satellite radio station wouldn't be able to duplicate Pandora's main feature, which is to allow listeners to tailor the content to their individual interests.


And that is exactly why the online radio industry is being crushed. It's not about what the user wants, it's about what the music industry wants you to have. You will not be allowed to hear the music you like without it being sprinkled with garbage they want to sell you. If you want to tailor your content, then you must purchase the music plain and simple. I personally hope they drive these stations out of business and piracy rates increase dramatically as a result. Freakin tools!


RE: Shutdown
By MrBlastman on 8/20/2008 9:44:16 AM , Rating: 5
You know, if SoundExchange (Which was started by the RIAA btw) really wants to raise rates to obnoxious levels on Internet Radio, then I say we let them.

If they want to raise rates to obnoxious levels on Terrestrial Radio, then I say we let them.

If they want to raise rates to obnoxious levels on Satellite Radio, then I say we let them.

I say we let them do all of the above. What? I'm insane!

No...

Once they are done raising their rates and putting EVERYONE out of business, who will be left to pander their pitiful offering of music?

Nobody

They will shut themselves, and the music industry down - on their own. They will have nobody else to blame but themselves. Per course of action, their only recourse will be... to sue themselves into oblivion.

Yes, let them wallow in their own shortsightedness and failure to understand even the simplest of concepts taught in business school - that the CUSTOMER IS THE BOSS, NOT the corporation.

So yes, let them raise those rates. Pretty soon all of our ears will be enjoying the pleasant sounds of birds chirping, the ambience of the bugs and bees and a lazy stream that might be trickling by outside our windows. Yes, the lazy breeze that gently ruffles the leaves as the blades of grass sway in harmony will become a colorful melody to our ears.

Begone SoundExchange and RIAA, let you sputter out under your own hostility. At least we won't have to listen to the crud you guys try to shovel on us anymore on the radio.

We can survive without them. We did before the 1950's and we can again. Look at the bright side, once they run out of money and go out of business, we can start all over again and do it right the second time.


RE: Shutdown
By Cygni on 8/20/2008 1:50:39 PM , Rating: 2
'Dinosaurs will slowly die,
and I do believe no one will cry.'

NOFX


RE: Shutdown
By Adonlude on 8/20/2008 1:53:40 PM , Rating: 2
Maybe your ears will be enjoying the sound of birds chirping but my ears will be enjoying the sound of music. If my Pandora stops working my bit torrent icon is only an inch to the left. I may just have to dust it off.


RE: Shutdown
By Nik00117 on 8/20/08, Rating: 0
Blood and Sweet?
By michal1980 on 8/20/2008 7:50:34 AM , Rating: 1
I'm all for anti-piracy.

But come on now, Blood and sweat in the music industry? Maybe from what happens backstage after the show, or when the musicans shot themselves full of drugs.

Only real blood and sweat job in america is the armed forces. People that actually work, Musicans', or at least the people working for them, are the biggest laziest WHINNERS in america.

I wish the media would start calling these bozo's out on that. Instead of just stating it as a fact.




RE: Blood and Sweet?
By Smokey159 on 8/20/2008 7:59:40 AM , Rating: 2
You beat me to it, I was going to quote the same thing. Blood and sweat is a bit exaggerated.

However, there are other jobs that involve blood and sweat that are outside of our armed forces. Just as an example, years ago as a mechanic I injured myself on a weekly or monthly basis that caused bleeding(sometimes pretty bad bleeding)while working in a non-air conditioned shop.

But really, these rate hikes should be re-evaluated because Pandora, and others like it, are not music pirating companies.


RE: Blood and Sweet?
By JasonMick (blog) on 8/20/2008 8:04:41 AM , Rating: 2
Well sometimes there's blood and sweat in the music industry...

http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/article/news/41806-i...

Go Modest Mouse! And he even finished the set....


RE: Blood and Sweet?
By Smokey159 on 8/20/2008 8:10:52 AM , Rating: 2
Ummm, self-inflicted wounds as a cry for attention or a marketing ploy don't count Mick.

Modest Mouse does rock though.


RE: Blood and Sweet?
By JasonMick (blog) on 8/20/2008 8:26:50 AM , Rating: 2
that was sarcasm, in case you missed it. >_>

man obviously needs help.

but i agree musically modest mouse does indeed rock.


RE: Blood and Sweet?
By Chocobollz on 8/20/2008 8:57:07 AM , Rating: 2
+94 :-}


RE: Blood and Sweet?
By Some1ne on 8/20/2008 3:03:36 PM , Rating: 5
You get +1 for calling out the recording artists and their representatives, but then you get -1000 for being "all for anti-piracy", for a net score of -999.

That's a real shame. Had you answered the "anti-piracy" question correctly, you could have had a truly epic net score of +1001.


Bow, arrow, foot, OW!
By n0b0dykn0ws on 8/20/2008 8:04:43 AM , Rating: 2
The ridiculous part about this is that all it's causing is for the RIAA to lose even more money than before.

Then again, maybe that's what they want? That way they can continue waving the anti-piracy flag and showing a loss.

If it does shut down I will be very sad. Since I despise listening to radio stations that play modern music, Pandora is the second way learn of new, or old for that matter, music.

n0b0dykn0ws




RE: Bow, arrow, foot, OW!
By djtodd on 8/20/2008 8:22:09 AM , Rating: 3
No joke.

This has to be one of the most short-sighted decisions on the RIAA's part that I've ever seen. They are shooting themselves in the foot. Online music listeners will either 1-stop listening, or 2-turn to piracy. Either way the bloody, sweaty artists and their legal lapdogs will be the real losers :p


RE: Bow, arrow, foot, OW!
By Icelight on 8/20/2008 11:00:29 AM , Rating: 2
I'm pretty sure the RIAA will be happy as long as the piracy-is-making-us-lose-money defense can be used.


The RIAA isn't that stupid
By superunknown98 on 8/20/2008 9:04:17 AM , Rating: 3
Do you really think they don't have some brilliant sceme planned once internet radio is bankrupt? They could buy out most of the stations for minimal cost, and then cut back on song selection! just like on regular radio, promote only the artisits they endorse, and watch as they rake in the sales. As if most of today's popular music wasn't bad enough, now I can't even escape on the internet.




RE: The RIAA isn't that stupid
By Chudilo on 8/20/2008 10:03:54 AM , Rating: 3
US has, by far, the worst radio of all western countries I've been to. And satellite radio is turning into the same thing.
I've had to listen to the same Nirvana song on the way to and from work for 2 days this week already (Like Nirvana didn't have any other good songs, not to mention thousands of other bands). I wasn't going to extend my membership last time, but they cut me a deal.(3 months for the price of 1($4/month)) Not that satellite was ever that great with their 40kbps streams.


Pandora needs a business model
By ryanathighnote on 8/20/2008 9:32:39 AM , Rating: 2
We recently launched an internet radio platform called Highnote. Listeners discover new music on highnoteradio.com, and independent artists have free distribution with paid promotion opportunities. At the core is the promotional platform we're building which is designed specifically for streaming music. Labels and independent artists get promotional exposure for their new music in the most natural way – played directly after artists that are similar. Ex: I am an artist that cites Coldplay and U2 as influences, I can get my track played into streams after users hear songs by Coldplay and U2. As an artist trying to build a fan base, I only pay for qualified traffic to my web site or MySpace page, where I sell music & merchandise directly.

The crucial thing here for listeners is relevancy -- we provide enough popular songs in streams to keep the listener engaged. And we quickly stop playing promoted music if people don't like it (though it happens less often than you'd think, because the promotions are so targeted).

feedback welcome, we're at http://www.highnoteradio.com




RE: Pandora needs a business model
By Spacecomber on 8/20/2008 11:09:37 AM , Rating: 2
I was wondering if you could say something about the bit rates and the codecs that you are using for your music streams. I tried listening to some of what was available, and it sounded a bit on the harsh side.


By ryanathighnote on 8/20/2008 9:41:49 PM , Rating: 2
Most of it is 128 to 192, depending. If you have suggestions or hear a track that is poor quality, hit the "trash" icon for the song to flag it or feel free to email me at ryan (at) highnoteradio.com


SOFA FM General Manager
By MatthiasF on 8/20/2008 11:01:38 AM , Rating: 2
Not every webstream is against the measures. Here's a blog post from Rusty Hodge, of Soma FM.

http://somafm.com/blogs/rusty/2007/11/musicfirst-m...

He has newer blog items talking about the over-the-air changes, the cost of things, etc. He's been a regular inside source for me on issues of web broadcasting trying to integrate with traditional media.




RE: SOFA FM General Manager
By Spacecomber on 8/20/2008 11:24:50 AM , Rating: 2
I took a look at the blog you linked to, but I didn't see anything in it to suggest that Rusty Hodge is not troubled by the higher royalty rates that internet radio pays compared to other types of "radio" such as satellite and cable.

In fact, an earlier blog by him quotes a story about the rate that cable radio is being offered, and the story seems hopeful that the same rates will be extended to internet radio. The fact that this blog is from November, 2007 and nothing has changed for internet radio in the meanwhile seems to be the point of this DailyTech article.


RE: SOFA FM General Manager
By Spacecomber on 8/20/2008 11:27:55 AM , Rating: 2
Perhaps this would have been the better blog of his to recommend as indicative of where he stands on this issue.

http://somafm.com/blogs/rusty/2007/10/internet-rad...


Fools
By Cullinaire on 8/20/2008 11:44:55 AM , Rating: 2
Pandora has helped me discover new music, some of which I purchased in CD format. Looks like that won't be happening anytime again, soon.




RE: Fools
By jimbojimbo on 8/20/2008 3:33:02 PM , Rating: 2
That's what I love about Pandora. I tell it what bands I like and most everything it plays me is actually really good and a lot of it from bands I've never heard of before. This of course results in me buying a CD here and there. Without Pandora I guess I'll just keep brooding that there's no good music any more and never buy anything.

If the music industry takes over Pandora in any way you'll put in "Weezer" as your band and you'll get 20% Britney Spears, 20% Christina Aguilera, and 50% other crap they feel you should listen to. Maybe if you're lucky you'll enjoy half of the 10% left.


Shame
By kelmon on 8/20/2008 9:31:59 AM , Rating: 2
This news is a real shame for what was (and for all I know still is) a great service. When I first encountered Pandora back in 2005 I was so impressed that I not only wrote a blog article about it (http://www.aelon.net/2005/08/“…-minor-key-tonality-and-extensive-vamping”/) but also paid for a subscription (this being the days before they went free). Unfortunately, not long after that the plug was pulled on non-US listeners so, for me, Pandora's box was closed. But I still remember how good the service was then and up until this news appeared I continued to hope that they'd sort something out that would enable international listeners again.

Such a great project and it will be a real loss if it has to be turned off.




OTA and Satellite Radio
By CupCak3 on 8/20/2008 9:34:21 AM , Rating: 2
So does anyone know what OTA and satellite radio stations have to pay for royalty fees?




screw em
By saen on 8/20/2008 12:11:01 PM , Rating: 2
I hope Pandora moves its servers over seas, to a country that doesnt give a crap about SoundExchange, and just does not pay anything.

Why the thousands of radio stations pay nothing, but an internet station has to pay 70% of its revenue, is retarded, backwards thinking killing off the future of the music industry. The net is the future, when you got 100MPBS connection in your car, who needs over the air radio.

At least the video content holders are getting somethings right (HULU).




Noooooooooo!
By AlmostExAMD on 8/21/2008 3:29:39 AM , Rating: 1
Damn shame to see Pandora go, They managed to do an extremely good job of adjusting tunes to my taste, So much so that I found a number of tracks that I went and bought and would never have even known existed, As these recording studios and bullshit mainstream radiostaions tend to play the same top 10 crap over and over again everyday, And they wonder why sales are not up to there liking.
Well what do you expect when all general public get to hear is the same bullshit day in and day out. sigh!
If anyone from Pandora is listening please find some way to stay around, The concept is brilliant.
Google buy them out and set it up for good will ya, There's a good lad! LOL




Riiiiight
By captainBOB on 8/21/2008 3:55:32 PM , Rating: 1
Yeah, Blood and Sweat. Bullshit
Musicians get paid to complain about how life sucks, how they lost their girlfriend, etc. Its okay to listen to but its retarded when they complain that they aren't getting enough money for their weed.

RIAA is like that one kid in the classroom, he always listens to the rules and no exceptions and annoys the crap out of everyone else.




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