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Program looks to build military vehicle that can drive and fly

It's safe to say that most commuters have sat in traffic at one point and thought that it would be great if they could just take to the skies and avoid the traffic. The reality is that the flying car isn’t quite ready for mainstream use yet. However, they could well change thanks to a government-sponsored program to develop a flying vehicle coming by way of DARPA.

DARPA has a long history of taking projects that sound like fiction and turning them into reality. Often, the tech spills over into the civilian world despite the fact that most of the high-tech projects that are started by DARPA are for military applications. DARPA is now hosting a Proposer's Day Workshop for a new project known as Transformer (TX).

The TX program has nothing to do with seeking out the all spark. The program is intended to ultimately produce a vehicle for use by one to four combatants that can travel over prepared surfaces and light off road surfaces and fly to avoid difficult terrain and ambush. The workshop is set for January 14 and will run from 0700 to 1500 EST.

The workshop is solely for informational and program planning purposes according to DARPA. The goal is to introduce the research community to the TX program vision, goals, and objectives. The workshop doesn't constitute a formal solicitation of proposals or proposal abstracts reports DARPA. The flight function of the vehicle will require the ability for vertical takeoff and landing. The vehicle must also be capable of range and speed suitable for tactically relevant missions to be performed on a single tank of fuel.

DARPA is looking to develop a vehicle that is robust and capable of being delivered at reasonable cost. It also wants to identify and mature critical technologies for the vehicle and ultimately build a single prototype vehicle for ground and flight testing. The program requirements for vertical flight means that vehicles like the Terrafugia car/plane that require a runway will not meet the program goals.



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hmm
By n0ebert on 1/4/2010 11:14:14 AM , Rating: 3
So, instead of something on the ground that people can't drive properly, you want to give them the option to take to the skies?

Clearly the guys at DARPA have never witnessed NYC drivers. Especially the cab drivers.




RE: hmm
By amanojaku on 1/4/2010 11:22:48 AM , Rating: 5
quote:
The program is intended to ultimately produce a vehicle for use by one to four combatants
I've seen NYC cab drivers, but those aren't the combatants they're talking about.


RE: hmm
By n0ebert on 1/4/2010 12:09:03 PM , Rating: 2
you're right. I'm having a bad morning. (a case of the Monday's I guess.)

Although as with almost every piece of non-violent technology it will eventually mean that it will be designed for civilian use.


RE: hmm
By SavagePotato on 1/4/2010 1:48:10 PM , Rating: 1
Sounds like a perfectly honest mistake to me.


RE: hmm
By Jacerie on 1/5/2010 9:20:51 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Clearly the guys at DARPA have never witnessed NYC drivers. Especially the cab drivers.


Don't let Corbin Dallas hear you say that...


RE: hmm
By Alexvrb on 1/5/2010 8:34:30 PM , Rating: 2
After reading the article that's exactly what I was visualizing, flying taxis. Multipass!


the obligatory comment
By shin0bi272 on 1/4/2010 1:32:48 PM , Rating: 2
www.moller.com ... anyone... bueller? The guy is essentially a few million dollars away from completion on his own dime and darpa snubs the guy? WTF darpa just WTF? Moller has done all the math on the power needed to lift off and the safety calculations on pretty much everything but crash worthiness. His vehicles are vtol and eliminate the entire need for a road entirely! With military funding we could all be flying in them in 10 years (for real this time). But instead darpa would rather go with an www.aerocar.com style idea. Hell moller even sold his idea to a russian company that put 8 of his motors in a sports car looking thing with wheels that's designed to drive when the engines are at low power then fly when the engines are cranked up to full power. What's wrong with that idea? There have been several ideas in the works for years but apparently since they are from moller darpa wants nothing to do with them... that's military intelligence for you.




RE: the obligatory comment
By Redwin on 1/4/2010 2:36:47 PM , Rating: 2
Probably because Moller exaggerated or outright falsified so many of the claims that made his skycar look workable in his quest for funding that the time when he could be taken seriously is many years past.

Its a little like asking why build a new FPS when Duke Nukem Forever is just around the corner. :) In another twist of similarity I believe both projects are now actually finally dead.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/11/23/moller_on_...


By Seemonkeyscanfly on 1/5/2010 6:17:02 PM , Rating: 2
well his test videos are pretty good... Maybe he did falsified, which would be bad - no need to... because just getting off the ground is a pretty big first step. Unless you tell me the videos are 100% fake he seems to have something going already.


RE: the obligatory comment
By foolsgambit11 on 1/4/2010 8:40:47 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
His vehicles are vtol and eliminate the entire need for a road entirely!

Roads? Where we're going, we don't need roads.


RE: the obligatory comment
By afkrotch on 1/5/2010 5:36:27 PM , Rating: 2
The Skycar isn't even a car. It's a plane that have vtol and is small. That's all it is.

Definitely doesn't sound like what DARPA wants. A vehicle that's going to be primarily on the road (which Skycar obviously isn't for) and can fly over obstacles. It's bad to assume, but I doubt they'll expect the vehicle to fly more than a few miles.

If we wanted small vtol planes, we'd already have them.


Armor
By CurtOien on 1/4/2010 12:13:29 PM , Rating: 3
If it is light enough to fly it might not have much armor for road side bombs etc..




RE: Armor
By HotFoot on 1/4/2010 1:15:54 PM , Rating: 2
Absolutely right. It looks like the area they envision using these vehicles would be exactly the type of area where IEDs would be used.

The amount of compromise that would have to be put into a ground vehicle to make it suitable for flying would make it a deathtrap. The amount of compromise that would have to be put into an air vechicle to make it suitable for much road use would make it a death trap.

Right now I'm thinking of birds. It seems to me there are 3 kinds: those good at flying, those good at running, and those good at swimming. There aren't many (any?) good at more than one of those.


RE: Armor
By rcc on 1/4/2010 4:43:33 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
There aren't many (any?) good at more than one of those.


Geese

They swim well, fly outrageous distances, and well, if you've ever seen one chasing someone. ...... : )


I'll happily pay for it
By corduroygt on 1/4/2010 12:36:15 PM , Rating: 4
As long as it looks like Kristanna Loken




By PAPutzback on 1/4/2010 1:10:38 PM , Rating: 2
It is called a helicopter.

WHat I want to see if a fast deployable retrieval vehicle. Say you got 4 soldier lost somewhere and you don't have to time to send in a chopper to some remote location. They should be able to deploy a rocket with a vehicle as cargo that can be assembled with no tools or come assemble so the troops can get out of a sticky situation.

Take the black hawk down scenario. Either deploy this vehicle to a rooftop that they could get to or right on the street. They have the teck where the soldiers could put on gas masks and the rapid deployment vehicle could of deployed its own gas on entry to cover the escape.




By Fritzr on 1/4/2010 8:44:22 PM , Rating: 2
Helicopter has unguarded blades that extend well beyond the vehicle's body. This means that they cannot set down in restricted spaces that are narrower than the rotor disk. Even a tight fit requires a skilled pilot and stable air conditions. Making a mistake about where the blade tips are can be really messy.

What DARPA is studying is a continuation of research that dates back to the USAF ducted fan "flying saucer" of the 1950s. That program was abandoned, but the idea has never been forgotten.

The Israeli's have gotten to the point of scheduling flight tests on a ducted fan "jeep" that can fly like a helicopter, cruise on ground effect like a hovercraft and negotiate tight alleys at ground level.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/06/16/urban_aero...



Rediculous
By FPP on 1/7/2010 6:31:53 PM , Rating: 2
A flying Humvee???? Golly, all they have to do is wait till it hits the road and IED it....or until it takes off and stinger it....jesus....where do these chuckleheads come from?




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