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Creative's E-MU 1212M PCI
Three new E-MU sound cards for the creative musicians

Creative Labs has launched three new E-MU professional sound cards. The new E-MU 1212M PCI, 1616 PCI and 1616M PCI are targeted towards creative musicians seeking multiple input/outputs, ASIO and high quality DACs and ADCs. At the lower end of the new E-MU product lineup is the 1212M PCI. It features 24-bit/192 KHz DAC and ADCs with a 120dB signal-to-noise-ratio. Audio I/O capabilities include 12 input and 12 outputs with MIDI I/O and Firewire. Two ¼” balanced inputs are also available too.

The E-MU 1212M PCI features:
  • Mastering grade 24-bit/192kHz converters - the same A/D converters used in Digidesign's flagship ProTools HD 192 I/O Interface delivering an amazing 120dB signal-to-noise ratio
  • Hardware-accelerated effects - over 600 standalone and E-MU Power FX VST plug-in effects with no CPU overhead
  • PatchMix DSP zero-latency hardware mixing and monitoring - with super-flexible patchbay - no external mixer needed
  • Comprehensive analog and digital I/O plus MIDI - 12 inputs and 12 outputs, plus MIDI I/O and FireWire port
  • Compatibility with most popular audio/sequencer applications - ultra-low latency 24-bit/192kHz ASIO 2.0 and Stereo WDM drivers
  • E-MU Production Tools Software Bundle - includes Cakewalk SONAR LE, Steinberg Cubase LE and Wavelab Lite, Ableton Live Lite 4 for E-MU, IK Multimedia AmpliTube LE and T-RackS EQ, Minnetonka diskWelder BRONZE, SFX Machine LT, plus E-MU's Proteus X LE Desktop Sound Module - everything you need to create, record, edit, master and burn is in the box
Next up is the E-MU 1616 PCI and has an external breakout box. It features 24-bit/192 KHz DAC and ADCs with a 112dB signal-to-noise ratio. There’s also a robust amount of input and output options including two ultra-low noise microphone/line-in preamps, four 1/4” balanced inputs, six ¼” balanced outputs, turntable input, S/PDIF, two sets of MIDI in/out, stereo 1/8” speaker outputs and a stereo headphone output. The stereo 1/8” speaker outputs can be configured for stereo or 5.1 channel audio usage. Lastly is the E-MU 1616M PCI, which is very similar to the 1616 PCI with the exception of the DAC and ADCs. The E-MU 1616M PCI has higher quality DAC and ADCs with a signal-to-noise ratio of 120dB. Aside from that its virtually identical to the E-MU 1616 PCI.

The E-MU 1616 PCI features:
  • Premium 24-bit/192kHz converters - 112dB signal-to-noise ratio for pristine recording and playback of your tracks
  • Hardware-accelerated effects - over 600 standalone and E-MU Power FX VST plug-in effects with no CPU overhead
  • PatchMix™ DSP zero-latency hardware mixing and monitoring - with super-flexible patchbay - no external mixer needed
  • Two E-MU XTC™ Class-A, ultra-low noise preamps (-127dBu) - Mic/Line and true Hi-Z inputs via Neutrik connectors, with analog soft limiter, 48V phantom power and 60dB of gain
  • Compatibility with most popular audio/sequencer applications - ultra-low latency 24-bit/192kHz ASIO2, WDM and 64-bit drivers
  • E-MU Production Tools Software Bundle - includes Cakewalk SONAR LE, Steinberg Cubase LE and Wavelab Lite, Ableton Live Lite 4 for E-MU, IK Multimedia AmpliTube LE and T-RackS EQ, Minnetonka diskWelder BRONZE, SFX Machine LT, plus E-MU's Proteus X LE Desktop Sound Module - everything you need to create, record, edit, master and burn is in the box
The new E-MU cards are priced at $150, $350 and $450 for the 1212M PCI, 1616 PCI and 1616M PCI respectively.


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Driver support?
By knitecrow on 8/16/2006 9:44:18 PM , Rating: 3
The main reason I stay away from creative is driver support, specifically, the lack there of.

Does anyone know if these cards have better drivers?




RE: Driver support?
By phatboye on 8/16/2006 10:15:29 PM , Rating: 3
People complain about creative's windows drivers but so far I have not had any problems. The one thing that does bother me is creative's slow driver release schedual.

And speaking of creative's drivers has anyone figured out how to make the X-Fi cards work in linux?

Also until someone releases a sound card for pci-e i'm not going to upgrade from my sb audiology 2zx.


RE: Driver support?
By Ardan on 8/17/2006 12:21:10 AM , Rating: 2
Their open source page says they're coming out with complete, full support in early 2007 for the X-Fi cards in linux. I wonder if that took long enough? :P


RE: Driver support?
By mlau on 8/17/2006 12:40:33 AM , Rating: 2
They're going to be closed-source crap, targeted for an
ancient kernel version. However, someone is working on
free drivers for the 1212m, he already can program the firmware
into the onboard FPGA


RE: Driver support?
By Araemo on 8/17/2006 9:39:04 AM , Rating: 2
I have an audigy(First gen), and I must say, the drivers they released last year are pretty good.


I just wish they had been out 4 years ago when I bought the card.

Until I rebuilt my system this spring, the way for me to install the latest Audigy drivers after an OS reinstall was:
Install the original drivers.

Install Creative driver update 1.

Install update for creative driver update 1.

Each one requires a reboot for the next one to work right.

WTF? When I went to the creative download page in march and found a brand new installer, one package, with better drivers, I was ecstatic. My Nforce2(Soundstorm! :) ) motherboard had finally died, so I had to either use my audigy again(which had had crackling problems on all my previous motherboards) with my new motherboard, or use the realtek onboard 8 channel audio - which had shit for output power, and noticeble issue I could hear on my 2.1 'computer' speakers(Good 2.1s, but still just 2.1s)


RE: Driver support?
By abhaxus on 8/17/2006 12:39:21 AM , Rating: 2
I agree wholeheartedly. I love my x-fi, don't get me wrong. but the months I endured with the rice krispies of creative (crackles and pops) because of poor driver support don't really endear me to them. I used to love their products, but their support for x-fi users has been terrible.


RE: Driver support?
By Ghouler on 8/17/2006 11:49:26 AM , Rating: 2
I have no crackling with my X-Fi.
Creative says those that have problems should check for PCI bandwidth issues. In many cases latest chipset drivers for mobo sort problems out.


RE: Driver support?
By CSMR on 8/17/2006 10:57:42 AM , Rating: 2
The current drivers for E-MU cards are very good. E-MU was a separate company until it was bought by creative. It's product line and drivers are quite distinct from audigy cards (though some DSP technology has been shared and some hardware brought into the X-Fis). In any case drivers are updates of the drivers from before Creative took over and are now very reliable as well as flexible. They are a bit complex to use if you only want to do simple things with them.


RE: Driver support?
By Clauzii on 8/17/2006 7:07:00 PM , Rating: 2
These cards are NOT the same as Audigys or whatever Creative makes for gaming and so. These are professional products from EMU (bought by Creative), a WELL known Sampler specialist in the past and present :)

These Cards are a dream :)


RE: Driver support?
By Clauzii on 8/17/2006 7:08:01 PM , Rating: 2
...oh - didn't see CMRS post above - sorry :)


ehh...
By valkator on 8/16/2006 10:40:45 PM , Rating: 2
Only problem with these cards is that if you want to record records over to digital.. the 192KHz sample rate still isnt good enough to match the record playback. I have a friend of mine that has a 2500 dollar record player and a 600 pre-amp enhancer and when we record records over, which he has a 1212m pci, they are still missing some parts of the record. I CAN hear the difference. 192KHz isnt good enough. If they want to enhance there pro line, they should bust out 384KHz sample rates.




RE: ehh...
By salt636 on 8/16/2006 11:25:01 PM , Rating: 2
well please correct me if im wrong, but are there any other audio solutions that do 384Khz at the price range that the EMUs are going for? I think that we should keep in mind that the EMU range is going after the computer musician and not really the audiophile. So, that being said, maybe they mean pro computer musician or something.

Being an ex owner of the 1212M myself (sold it 'cos i was poor), i would like to say that although the customer support isn't as top notch as i'd have liked it to be (they took really long), there is a really good support forum "EMU Production Forums", where EMU staff (the ones that build the cards and the drivers) themselves hang out and try to help out to the best of their ability.

Audio computers are a really different breed from your regular gaming machine. It really even boils down to the different brands and type of hardware that you have. Everybody has different individual problems, and its really not easy to identify problems straightout.

It is through numerous windows tweaks, and really just using the process of elimination to find out what's wrong (if you're unlucky enough - like me), that's why people normally scout what others are using without problems to have a trouble-free audio computer...

while i might not really agree with the previous post that suggested that M-AUDIO is a better solution (their customer service isn;t really something to be praised either), MOTUs rock. But again, as it was highlighted in sh3rules highlighted in his/her post, at what difference in price?

Just my 2 cents.


RE: ehh...
By Lyman42 on 8/17/2006 3:17:58 AM , Rating: 2
Who needs 384khz? Does somebody need to record bat sonar or something? Such a fast sampling rate can only reduce accuracy. I can understand using 96khz or maybe 192 if you're doing a lot of FIR/IIR processing, but 384khz? Take a look at Lavry Engineering's stuff, none of it goes past 96khz. There's more to sound recording than just sample rate....


RE: ehh...
By Bluestealth on 8/17/2006 5:13:58 AM , Rating: 1
Ummm I havent read the specs but I imagine this is 384khz/8 or 48 Khz per channel, where as 192khz was only 24 Khz per channel. Correct me if I am wrong.


RE: ehh...
By CSMR on 8/17/2006 11:06:00 AM , Rating: 2
You are wrong. No-one in his right mind would use 24khz


RE: ehh...
By Bluestealth on 8/17/2006 6:32:59 PM , Rating: 2
Are these DACs split between each input or for all? I can kind of understand why 384 khz is pointless then if its for each input :), I have no experience with proaudio tools so I was curious why something would be not good enough for a audiophile(perhaps slightly insane?) but ok for a musician.


RE: ehh...
By lemonadesoda on 8/17/2006 6:24:52 AM , Rating: 3
I think you need to explain the problem you are getting... because I just don't believe the sampling rate has anything to do with your quality concerns. Once at 192khz, you are not going to hear any difference.

I think the problem with your experiement is as follows:

1./ Interference within your PC
2./ Poor cabling
3./ Wrong bit depth. Are you recording at 16bit? LOL
4./ You recorded mono not stereo
5./ You played back via PC speakers
6./ There is a warmth in ANALOG amplifier stages, and a cold, sharpness in digital amplifier stages. No matter what the sampling rate/bit depth there is going to be this color. Try sending the output of the sound card back through the "600 pre-amp" enhancer to warm up the color of the sound.


RE: ehh...
By granulated on 8/17/2006 6:32:36 AM , Rating: 2
You *are* being ironic....right ?!!!


RE: ehh...
By randomname on 8/17/2006 9:19:27 AM , Rating: 2
"If they want to enhance there pro line, they should bust out 384KHz sample rates."

No, You really shouldn't hear much difference after 48 kHz sample rate, if it is done well (most people wouldn't hear much difference after 32 kHz). Some people suggest that modulations between two fequencies above 48 kHz sample rate (24 kHz actual frequency) might be heard, but there isn't much solid evidence to back that up.

What is holding back the quality are the ADC:s (analogue to digital conversion) and DAC:s. You would need to isolate the ADC:s and DAC:s from the interference inside the computer, and in that sense the "X-Fi Elite Pro" could be a solution. But quality of the ADC:s and DAC:s is (very likely) still not up to professional standards. 16 bits should be enough in most cases, really only when you have uncompressed classical music, you might have problems with the dynamic range. Increasing the bit depth above 16 probably increases the quality more than increasing the sample frequency above 48 kHz. But in any case you would need to have professional equipment to hear the difference. (Note that nothing can record at anything close to 24 bit dynamic range.)

There is a reason why professional equipment costs so much. I have an Audigy 2 Platinum Ex, and the microphone connection in it is quite noisy and the noise increases a lot if the recording volume is above a certain threshold. I would assume Creative hasn't gone through a massive leap in quality after I bought that (mostly an increase in specs, i.e. marketing, as well as in digital processing).


RE: ehh...
By CSMR on 8/17/2006 11:07:55 AM , Rating: 2
Why don't you start a campaign. At present I don't think any people record at 384khz (unelss they are using DSD).


Still PCI Express
By mendocinosummit on 8/17/2006 12:23:30 AM , Rating: 5
I want to see PCI express x1 cards, why release a new product and not make one pci express. I would think that they would see very well.




RE: Still PCI Express
By Cunthor01 on 8/17/2006 1:14:54 AM , Rating: 2
You are right. Heaps of people are ditching PCI mobos in favour of PCI-e. Except there is not much out there to fit the damn slots... (well, at least tuner cards last time I looked)


RE: Still PCI Express
By plewis00 on 8/17/2006 7:32:38 AM , Rating: 2
I think a lot of us are thinking the same thing. Fortunately, in my budget upgrade to Core 2, I went with an i865 board so am still running AGP, DDR1 and PCI, but when I move boards to 9xx series I'd want a PCIe sound card really.

If you can use bridge chips on graphics cards where latency is important (probably even more so than sound) I don't see why it can't be done on sound cards.


RE: Still PCI Express
By MonkeyPaw on 8/17/2006 10:57:32 AM , Rating: 2
I totally agree. You'd think that creative would target thier high-end cards for high-end systems. Most new systems have PCIe slots, though many OEM mATX boards have one 16 lane slot and three PCI slots. That certainly doesn't help the cause, but creative should at least offer a PCIe card.


RE: Still PCI Express
By CSMR on 8/17/2006 11:11:10 AM , Rating: 2
I would think most of their products are sold to amateurs not professionals. You can do very well with a computer a few years old. Doing DSP on audio tracks just takes a bit longer.


RE: Still PCI Express
By mendocinosummit on 8/17/2006 12:37:50 PM , Rating: 2
That is not what he meant. I think what he meant was enthusiast and they do buy boards that have PCI express and they are the ones that buy sound cards, because they make music and games sound better and they also give you about from a 1 to 3 percent improvement in benchmarks.


RE: Still PCI Express
By CSMR on 8/17/2006 1:29:35 PM , Rating: 2
These cards are not gaming cards; they will not give you performance improvements in games. You are right though people who are interested in gaming performance are likely to have computers with PCI express.


Sound quality?
By DukeN on 8/17/2006 9:50:21 AM , Rating: 2
How would these compare in strictly sound quality, compared to an X-fi?

I would be using the card with my Z2200 speakers or my home theatre (HK receiver, JBL towers all around + JBL sub), for music mostly.

Thanks.




RE: Sound quality?
By CSMR on 8/17/2006 11:19:05 AM , Rating: 2
You would not notice the difference using those speakers(with DSP turned off of course). The most important elements of sound reproduction are Speakers/room followed by amplification followed by source. The X-Fi is actually quite good if set up properly. Main problem is the connectors which are minijack. But the first thing to worry about is speakers. Look on the audio asylum and find the right speakers for your tastes. Then you might look into a better amp if you feel like it - easy to find for not that much these days.


RE: Sound quality?
By Eris23007 on 8/17/2006 12:50:31 PM , Rating: 2

I disagree. One of the principal differences between a semi-pro board with high quality converters (eg the EMU board) and a consumer board (the X-Fi) "should" be the jitter of the ADCs and DACs. Another major difference should be the quality of the analog electronics before the ADCs and after the DACs

One of the things you're all forgetting is that in order to hit those high sample rates, the jitter of the clock timing is going to have to be lower. This can have a dramatic effect on both recording and playback.

Look at Apogee, for example. Why do you suppose people pay $2K for a single stereo ADC or a single stereo DAC? Two reasons:

1) extremely low jitter
2) outstanding analog section before the ADC or after the DAC.

Don't discount such things - they are quite important.


RE: Sound quality?
By CSMR on 8/17/2006 1:34:51 PM , Rating: 2
Yes important but speakers are much more important. The difference between speakers is huge whereas the difference between sound cards of a is subtle especially above a certain level. If the poster had high end speakers say in a properly adjusted room with good amplification my answer would have been different.


RE: Sound quality?
By Clauzii on 8/17/2006 7:19:44 PM , Rating: 2
If You feed CRAP into the speakers - how the f... do You expect it to sound good? EVERY link in a signal chain is important.

You probably refer to the old method for speker selection for HiFis which said that Around HALF the amount used would be for speakers. NOT so today :)


RE: Sound quality?
By CSMR on 8/18/2006 4:12:17 AM , Rating: 2
Especially above a certain level I said. I think 70% is a good figure now not including room treatments because of the excellent amps and soundcards available for cheap these days.


re-release?
By zeroslugfm on 8/16/2006 10:02:30 PM , Rating: 2
I've been using these for a few years now...at least the first batch of 1212m's. Must say the quality is there but driver and basic customer support could be better.

Just note that Creative/EMU does not support the use of multiple soundcards in one system....in fact installing EMU/Creative cards together will force the uninstallation of both drivers...despite them being two different products. Example: EMU-1212m uninstalls drivers for Creative Audigy2.

Unless there's a work around...of course. Otherwise the 1212m's provide a great start for younger musicians.




RE: re-release?
By zeroslugfm on 8/16/2006 10:09:55 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Just note that Creative/EMU does not support the use of multiple soundcards in one system....

Meant to say "Creative/EMU" products; they work perfectly fine alongside other soundcard brands (including onboard).


RE: re-release?
By CSMR on 8/17/2006 11:01:23 AM , Rating: 2
The drivers have improved over the last year or two. The guys at "production forums" including a couple of E-MU staff are reasonably helpful.


RE: re-release?
By Ghouler on 8/17/2006 11:52:15 AM , Rating: 2
I have 1616 (thru an PCMCIA-PCI adapter) and X-Fi in one system. No probs. While installing one card make sure the other one is disabled in device manager. After you finished with installation and rebooted your system, enable the first card. They can work fine together.


worst creative sound cards
By mushi799 on 8/16/2006 11:41:28 PM , Rating: 2
Audigy 4 and sb 512




RE: worst creative sound cards
By PrinceGaz on 8/17/2006 7:40:53 AM , Rating: 2
SB Live was the worst one I had. It wasn't helped by having a VIA mobo. The SB Live was very fussy about the exact timings and latency of the PCI bus (far more so than other cards), and the VIA mobo stretched the PCI specifications a little. It was a nightmare trying to get the two of them to work together, and it wasn't helped by Creative's appalling drivers.


RE: worst creative sound cards
By stmok on 8/17/2006 11:02:44 AM , Rating: 2
I agree there!

SB Live with dual CPU => Pops and clicks!
This IS because of a Windows driver issue!
(It doesn't have this issue under Linux).

The other one is the sharing of IRQs with other devices, it chucks fits...As in makes the "pops and clicks" noises worse!

We're talking about using them with dual PIII CPU mobos of various chipsets...BX, i820, i840, etc.

The only relief I got is when I but the SB Live on a different PCI bus. (But these are only in workstation or server mobos, not desktop ones!)

What's worse, is Creative NEVER bothered to fix it. They acted like a brick wall when you told them about it. They made it look like nothing happened! And they left us dual CPU system users out to dry. (It improved with the Audigy 1...But that minimised the issue, not get rid of it...It also introduced BSODs in Win2k and XP, back when I used it).

But from that harsh experience, I've never bothered with an external sound card, especially ones from Creative. I find a modern-day onboard sound solution good enough for my needs.


By therealnickdanger on 8/17/2006 9:48:53 AM , Rating: 2
I've got an Audigy 4 Pro and it rules... not sure what you're talking about.


Driver's Suck!
By Simcityaustin on 8/17/2006 1:23:39 AM , Rating: 2
I have to reinstall my Creative drivers every time I restart or shut down my computer if I want to hear sound.

Creative only offers 60 days of support on one issue and then it's $13 an hour if you need help, so I just keep my computer on. I think one of their DLL file is making my svchost.exe go crazy...I dunno, I just know I hope a good competitor come out with a good sound card.




RE: Driver's Suck!
By poohbear on 8/17/2006 3:09:44 AM , Rating: 2
lol dude, just reinstall your OS.


RE: Driver's Suck!
By Clauzii on 8/17/2006 7:15:47 PM , Rating: 2
My thought too really :) LOL


RE: Driver's Suck!
By CSMR on 8/17/2006 11:12:57 AM , Rating: 2
Try E-MU cards; this thread is about them after all. Yes, the creative drivers for a couple of products I have used in the past have been terrible. The E-MU line is quite distinct.


Not X-Fi Replacment?
By Nightmare225 on 8/17/2006 7:46:48 AM , Rating: 2
So, this isn't an X-Fi replacement? I got scared because I just bought an X-Fi Xtrememusic for my games, phew. :)




RE: Not X-Fi Replacment?
By thereaderrabbit on 8/17/2006 8:18:10 AM , Rating: 2
I an X-Fi Xtrememusic too, it's a shame it doesn't work in Windows Vista : (


RE: Not X-Fi Replacment?
By Ghouler on 8/17/2006 11:59:32 AM , Rating: 2
Why shouldn't it work under Vista? There are Vista drivers on creative website there. Did you try them? Judging from realease dates these are optimized for Vista Beta 2 already.


RE: Not X-Fi Replacment?
By CSMR on 8/17/2006 11:15:12 AM , Rating: 2
X-Fi has gaming and multichannel support. (Well some E-MUs have lots of channels but not the 1212m.) It postdates the 1212m and uses the much of the same hardware. It is tailored to a different audience. If you use its features it is a good card.


Inaccurate article, no news here
By CSMR on 8/17/2006 10:54:15 AM , Rating: 2
The 1212m has been around for a long time. I own one myself. The only change in the E-MU lineup is that the 1616 1616m have been made into a PCI card from a PCMCIA card, which aviods having to use an adapter.




RE: Inaccurate article, no news here
By CSMR on 8/17/2006 11:21:07 AM , Rating: 2
E-Mu does actually have some genuinely new products upcoming, the 0202 USB and the 0404 USB. Same hardware as the 0404 - good specs but not quite as good as other E-MUs. With same preamps from the 1616/1818m I believe. New drivers, not patchmix, so don't know how well they will work.


RE: Inaccurate article, no news here
By Clauzii on 8/17/2006 7:22:34 PM , Rating: 2
EMU is cool but i'm still waiting for some KickAss product released, like the legendary EMU-I-II-III etc. Soundcards are flooding at the moment - lets get some real innovative stuff :)


RE: Inaccurate article, no news here
By CSMR on 8/18/2006 4:15:59 AM , Rating: 2
The 1820m is pretty cool you have to admit :)


alternitive to creatives cards
By Grayskull on 8/17/2006 9:43:49 PM , Rating: 2
right here :

http://www.auzentech.com/

i have both of their cards, and both have worked flawlessly. if i had to replace them for what ever reason, i'd get them again .. they have another one coming out called the X-Purity and i plan on getting it as soon as the store i get my hardware from, can get them :-)

The X-plosion, also has realtime encoding to Dolby Digital, and DTS 5.1 surround sound ( where the X-mystigue just does DD 5.1 ), ala Soundstorm, creative's cards, do not, and it doesn't look like they will ...




RE: alternitive to creatives cards
By Bluestealth on 8/17/2006 11:02:10 PM , Rating: 2
Your belief that digital outs are inherently better for anything but cable managment are wrong. DDL/DTS encoding are not required for high quality sound.


RE: alternitive to creatives cards
By CSMR on 8/18/2006 4:10:16 AM , Rating: 2
Some receivers will do better digital since they convert analog to digital first.


By trabpukcip on 8/18/2006 12:14:49 PM , Rating: 2
The problem though is that DTS and DD are compressed (apart from the newer lossless standards). At least with analog it is uncompressed PCM Audio.

So I don't see a point in real time encoding (unless you like less cables, or are avoiding a ADC -> DAC then DAC -> ADC).

Funny thing is that creatives speakers digital ins are PCM uncompressed.
I have tried an experiment with my old Audigy 2 Plat. Pro: By plugging in a 3.5mm to phono plugs adaptor I got the Front Channels via PCM SPDIF on the Left plug and Rear Channels on the Right Plug.

I am sure that with a 4 Pole 3.5mm plug with 4 Phono Plugs I could get 7.1 Digital PCM Audio (Provided there is an amp that allows such a setup or 2 or 4 amps).

I currently get no pops or crackle on my X-Fi Elite Pro, I believe chipset driver updates cured that (BTW for ATi chipset owners like myself the latest video drivers also contain mobo chipset updates, thats probably what fixed it for me)

Sorry I think I am waffling on a bit, look like nice new professional cards that I will never use, own or have a need for ;). I am off to play a Snap, Crackle, Pop free Oblivion.


Interesting products
By killerroach on 8/16/2006 9:45:32 PM , Rating: 2
Decent software bundle, impressive specs... might be interesting to see one of these things in action. And, for the semi-professional musician, the price is rather impressive. Can't wait to see one of these things reviewed.




RE: Interesting products
By Goty on 8/16/2006 9:54:17 PM , Rating: 2
If these things can rival the quality of ProTools, then the price is absolutely incredible!


RE: Interesting products
By CSMR on 8/17/2006 10:59:45 AM , Rating: 2
These cards have been around for a long while. They are excellent card and very good value. I have used the 1212m and the 1820m. You get a lot of functionality in them and with very good specs and for not much money. This can be said of the whole E-MU line. The upcoming USB cards look good too.


By R3MF on 8/17/2006 3:03:48 AM , Rating: 3
1) linux support
2) PCI-E support




By Bluestealth on 8/17/2006 5:20:03 AM , Rating: 2
I want to know how much linux support they have... I cannot live without bass redirection... I just cannot...


I'm not sure...
By sh3rules on 8/16/2006 10:34:28 PM , Rating: 2
The cards from Creative are great for games, but I think M-Audio or MOTU might fit the bill better for professional or semi-professional recordings (aside from Pro Tools). They're somewhat more expensive, but they offer a lot more (if music is your thing).




RE: I'm not sure...
By CSMR on 8/17/2006 11:04:24 AM , Rating: 2
This does not apply to E-MU. It is not good for gaming and makes cards in the same category as M-Audio, R-ME, Lynx, etc..


The 1212m is NOT new
By Lyman42 on 8/17/2006 2:43:53 AM , Rating: 2
Anh Huynh,

Just wanted to let you know the 1212m has been available for quite some time. Creative released it around the same time they released the 0404, in September of 2004. So, unless they made some revision, I think you should edit this article.




RE: The 1212m is NOT new
By salt636 on 8/17/2006 4:43:44 AM , Rating: 2
I just realised, that these cards have been out in the market for sometime now... I was under the impression that they were revised versions of that product line...

To my knowledge, the 1616M and 1616 have been available since the end of last year in the US, and around January this year for the rest of the world.

Thanks Lyman.


heh.. yea ok buddy
By valkator on 8/18/2006 12:43:13 PM , Rating: 2
1./ Interference within your PC
2./ Poor cabling
3./ Wrong bit depth. Are you recording at 16bit? LOL
4./ You recorded mono not stereo
5./ You played back via PC speakers
6./ There is a warmth in ANALOG amplifier stages, and a cold, sharpness in digital amplifier stages. No matter what the sampling rate/bit depth there is going to be this color. Try sending the output of the sound card back through the "600 pre-amp" enhancer to warm up the color of the sound.

1. NO
2. I use very high quality cabling
3. Using 24 bit heh >_>
4. Yea umm not stupid
5. WE have crown speakers >_>
6. Heh i do that already
WE clean the needle which cost 900 bucks after each side of the album recorded. I NOTICE THE DIFFERENCE. Dont give me that crap that there is no difference. WHen the flute gets almost phased out in the background WHEN it is not suppose to... guess what IT SUCKS. Normally you wouldnt think you would notice anything. But i do. The vocals are not smooth enough as the record and some percussion gets cut out. It sort of hard to notice but i expected better.




RE: heh.. yea ok buddy
By CSMR on 8/18/2006 2:10:15 PM , Rating: 2
Try recording at 192khz, resampling to 96khz in whatever audio software you use, and double blind testing using foobar. Should be quite easy to do. If the sample rate is the problem and the difference is as big as you say you should have no difficulties. (384khz is noticeably better that 192, 192 should be noticeably better than 96.)


By therealnickdanger on 8/17/2006 9:50:59 AM , Rating: 3
Is Creative avoiding these things?




Creative Drivers
By Myrandex on 8/17/2006 7:41:39 AM , Rating: 2
I haven't really had too many problems with Creatice drivers in "standard Operating Systems". And this is through a whole family of sound cards (Sound Blaster AWE16, SBLive! Value, SBLive 5.1, Audigy, Audigy 2, and now X-Fi Xtreme Music). Support for alternative operating systems does seem kind of weak though (Linux, Vista x64, even WinXP x64 when it was first released). I still say give them time and it will be good, they are just slow. As for their Linux driver being closed source, I don't care as long as it works.
Jason




well..
By valkator on 8/18/2006 5:48:46 PM , Rating: 2
Dont get me wrong.. It sounds good. IT does. But for me to record this and hand it to someone else telling them it is record quality is not acceptable. I could go to DSD but i like PCM. So the recording is still even better than CD audio, but it isnt on par with record audio and yes we did blind test each other randomly with 3 different records.




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