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Internet Craigslist CEO Seeking Apologies
Michael Barkoviak - May 19, 2009 2:03 PM
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Craigslist CEO demands apology from South Carolina Attorney General

As popular classified site Craigslist continues to face increased legal pressure from attorneys generals representing several states, Craigslist CEO Jim Buckmaster has come forward to defend his company from further attack.

Specifically, Buckmaster has shown a bit of fire regarding the recent demands from an attorney general from the state of South Carolina.  Last week, South Carolina Attorney General Henry McMaster gave Craigslist an ultimatum of 5 p.m. on Friday evening to remove "obscene photos" and prostitution ads currently posted on the site.    

McMaster said the state has "no alternative but to move forward with criminal investigation and potential prosecution" if the ads aren't removed.  His words come days after Craigslist managed to agree to changes discussed with the attorneys generals from several other states.

McMaster's increased attention has led to Buckmaster posting the following statement on the company's blog:  "South Carolina Attorney General, Henry McMaster, today announced that our recent improvements, which go far beyond measures he himself personally endorsed with his own signature six months ago, not only aren't good enough, but actually require a criminal investigation," the blog post reads.

In a more recent blog post, Buckmaster fired back again, demanding an apology from South Carolina.

"Two days ago, you accused Craigslist, and me personally, of engaging in criminal acts, reiterating your previous threat to file unwarranted and unconstitutional charges against us that are clearly barred by federal law," Buckmaster said in a blog post, likely annoyed after being accused of breaking the law. 

"These very serious allegations followed the dramatic changes we implemented last week. So effective in fact, that our "adult services" and soon-to-be-retired "erotic services" sections combined, for all cities in South Carolina, currently feature a total of 40 ads, all of which comply with our terms of use. Have you fully considered the implications of your accusations against Craigslist? What's a crime for Craigslist is clearly a crime for any company."

The entire blog post obviously has an angry tone with McMaster, though it's unlikely Craigslist will receive an official apology.

Last week, Craigslist agreed to drop "erotic services" ads from the site, which will be replaced with "adult services" ad that will be individually reviewed before being posted by a Craigslist employee.

Although extremely popular, the site has been under increased scrutiny for online prostitution after Boston medical student Philip Markoff allegedly killed a woman he met through the site.  Markoff has been dubbed the "Craigslist killer" for using the site to find victims to rob prior to the murder.

The site has faced pressure from politicians and law enforcement for quite some time, but critics seized on the opportunity after Markoff's arrest.

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Prostitution should be legal
By quiksilvr on 5/19/2009 2:14:34 PM , Rating: 5
I don't see why its so taboo. We have strip joints, pornographic videos and magazines, we have sex on TV, sex in advertisements, phone sex, cybersex, ITS EVERYWHERE. And on top of that, there are a lot of benefits if its legalized:

1) Legal transactions between both parties
2) Prostitutes will be devoid of STDs as will their clients and have to bring evidence. If either party receives an STD without bringing it up, legal action can be taken
3) Safe facilities (no more cars or alleys)

Though Craigslist may not have been the best method of doing so, it would be nice to have dedicated legal site that would regulate prostitution and would ensure the safety of the prostitutes (and sometimes the clients) and actually give jobs to those that have little options.




RE: Prostitution should be legal
By Krytikal on 5/19/09, Rating: 0
RE: Prostitution should be legal
By kattanna on 5/19/2009 2:45:45 PM , Rating: 4
why? so your son has a co-worker to hang out with between gigs?


RE: Prostitution should be legal
By dflynchimp on 5/19/2009 5:48:50 PM , Rating: 4
Zing!

The biggots and hypocrits can all play the keyboard warriors, then sit back and wank their own chain to whatever ungodly and sick photographs of their personal turn-ons. It's a fact that ever since age thirteen we've probably yanked sploogies to dirty photographs or fantasized about random girls more often than we can count.

It's not that I support prostitution. I admit freely that I'm prejudiced against the occupation and its participants on personal moral grounds, but I also recognize that this is the U.S and there are no legal grounds for barring it, especially when we're already so hypocritically dug in to the sex market via simlar yet so called "legitamate" means.


RE: Prostitution should be legal
By MatthiasF on 5/19/2009 2:45:47 PM , Rating: 1
So, your benefits of prostitution being legalized are as follows:

1. It's not illegal. Yes, that's helpful and a giant "duh" moment I hope.
2. Devoid of STDs? So I take it you think the prostitutes with STDs now would just stop when prostitution is legalized and requires they not have STDs. No, they wouldn't. There would still remain a black market for prostitution, since more than 1 in 4 people have an STD. And how do you suppose either can provide proof? Walk around with your medical history? Most STD tests are anonymous, so those pieces of paper aren't too helpful.
3. You watch too much Law and Order. Prostitutes and escorts don't just do the deed in only automobiles and dark, dank alleys.

Prostitution is illegal for a reason. It's not a moral issue, but practical. Diseases are spread very quickly through close physical contact, and not just STDs. One person's eagerness to appease their libido with a cheap thrill could cause harm to other people in their life.


RE: Prostitution should be legal
By kattanna on 5/19/2009 2:49:36 PM , Rating: 3
incorrect, it is nothing more then a moral issue.

funnily enough, places where it is legal and regulated under health codes there is a lot less disease.

also, making it legal would virtually eliminate violence as proper reporting of such crimes then could be reported and dealt with accordingly


RE: Prostitution should be legal
By MatthiasF on 5/19/09, Rating: 0
RE: Prostitution should be legal
By walk2k on 5/19/2009 3:22:37 PM , Rating: 4
Apparently someone can't find Nevada on a map.


RE: Prostitution should be legal
By Regs on 5/19/2009 3:50:01 PM , Rating: 1
Disease is one thing, but then you have the whole criminal element behind it. Watching the movie Taken could make any dad wonder what would happen if their daughter ended up missing one day. If we make it legal, people will abuse the system. Laws are written in such ways or even absolutes to close loop holes.


RE: Prostitution should be legal
By Jackattak on 5/19/2009 3:53:43 PM , Rating: 5
quote:
If we make it legal, people will abuse the system.


Yes, clearly it's much better to keep it illegal and completely underground, where it doesn't stand a chance of affecting anyone at all and is completely controllable by law enforcement.


RE: Prostitution should be legal
By Regs on 5/19/09, Rating: -1
RE: Prostitution should be legal
By Jackattak on 5/19/2009 5:10:19 PM , Rating: 4
I wouldn't be pissed...I'd be vehement, violent, and would go all-vigilante on the person responsible.

However, I have no children and no plans to have them (for reasons I gave in the other thread). http://www.dailytech.com/Craigslist+Dropping+Eroti...

That being said, I believe in personal freedom and the consequences that go along with it. Ben Franklin: "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."

I accept those consequences in the name of personal freedom. It's why I defended this country in the first place.

I believe in personal freedom to use drugs, too.

I also believe in personal accountability. That freedom comes at a price. You make your own choices. You suffer whatever consequences might come upon you because of those choices.


RE: Prostitution should be legal
By stirfry213 on 5/20/2009 1:37:46 PM , Rating: 2
Incredible post. When are you running for president? ;)


RE: Prostitution should be legal
By dever on 5/20/2009 2:51:30 PM , Rating: 2
It seems the vast majority of us agree that personal liberties are essential.

So, why do we keep voting in corrupt idiots from both parties who continually erode our freedoms?


RE: Prostitution should be legal
By Jackattak on 5/20/2009 3:37:13 PM , Rating: 3
It's a great question, and one that I can't reasonably answer.

I'll make an attempt, though.

I don't think America is ready for personal freedoms. With so much intolerance still occurring in Middle America (hell, even CALIFORNIA doesn't have legalized gay marriage) I can't viably see the majority voting for a President who was for true personal freedom/personal accountability.

There are many who have a problem with others smoking marijuana and taking other drugs.

There are many who have a problem with a woman's right to have an abortion.

There are many who have a problem with a human being marrying another human being.

There are many who have a problem with a human being having consensual sex with another human being for money.

Until America changes these mindsets, we will never have true personal freedom in America. And until then, we will have to make a choice for the best possible candidate between the two major parties.


RE: Prostitution should be legal
By zolo111 on 5/22/2009 11:31:59 AM , Rating: 2
It's not about freedom. It's all about money.
If they can't tax it, then it's a no go ( Think online gambling).

What I don't get though, is why sex websites aren't banned as well? It's the only form of sex buisness that the government doesn't tax and is perfectly legal; or do they?


RE: Prostitution should be legal
By Regs on 5/20/2009 6:41:34 PM , Rating: 2
"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."

Selling yourself for sex is a personal choice and freedom, I agree. Though the reality is women have been subjected to prejudice, servitude, subjugation, and exploitation in the history of man. The violence that women were subjected to was an intrinsic part of the prostitution and sexual exploitation. Pimps used violence for many different reasons and purposes. Violence was used to initiate some women into prostitution and to break them down so that they would do the sexual acts. After initiation, at every step of the way, violence was used for sexual gratification of the pimps, as a form of punishment, to threaten and intimidate women, to exert the pimp's dominance, to exact compliance, to punish women for alleged violations, to humiliate women, and to isolate and confine women.

Most of you, or even I, grew up in rural neighborhoods with lush green lawns, respectable schools, and were able to walk down the street without being worried of being mugged, kidnapped, or worse. The reality is that the human race still run on primal instincts with the illusion of civility.

Legalizing prostitution does not protect women or personal freedoms, only the pimps and the men buying them. By legalizing prostitution we are in fact empowering the wealthy and more endowed to take advantage of the more desperate and powerless.

At an economic stand-point, it's just horrible. Last thing we want is a women to think instead of getting more qualified, skilled, or educated they can take the easy way out and just let their rich "masters" buy them out for sexual favors. It's counter-productive for all of which we strived for in human rights in the last 2 decades.

I'm really trying not to get personal, but you take Ben Franklin's quote with ill context. All you have done is take a quote from one of the most intelligent man in our nation’s history and bended to your disillusion on what reality is and what a reasonable adult may think.


RE: Prostitution should be legal
By Jackattak on 5/20/2009 6:52:52 PM , Rating: 2
We're just going to have disagree on this. But don't worry, you're certainly in the majority. Prostitution won't be legalized anytime soon, if ever.

It's a woman's body. She can do with it what she will, and that's the bottom line. You can speculate on mafia/organized crime/drugs/rape/slavery whatever until the cows come home but its all merely conjecture.

It sounds as if you're all for women's lib/empowerment. I am too. We just have different classifications of it. I think women should be free to do what they want. You think they should be forced on moral grounds to do what you think is right through legal terms.


RE: Prostitution should be legal
By Regs on 5/20/2009 7:42:01 PM , Rating: 2
No, not empowerment, but protection. We think of prostitution as the bunny ranch, upper class call girls on the internet, or a "fun time" in las vegas. If most of us have seen what really happens behind the scenes in many of these cases, when women are truly helpless, I can't in any way, form, justification, or rationale support a law in favor of prostitution.

My original reply was trying to convey the reason why the law is written in absolutes. It's a law to protect the helpless against the violent and oppressive. It was not written to enforce or crack down on your average day hooker, but the people they attract and the business that might carry with it.

If there is one thing I'm sure we can all agree upon, it's to not punish the seller or even buyer, but the intermidate in between or the organization running it.


RE: Prostitution should be legal
By Jackattak on 5/21/2009 11:28:32 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
If there is one thing I'm sure we can all agree upon, it's to not punish the seller or even buyer, but the intermediate in between or the organization running it.


In instances where this actually occurs, I agree. Those who prey upon the weak are truly disgusting and I can't rightfully imagine anyone supporting them.

However, I don't think this would be the norm.


RE: Prostitution should be legal
By someguy123 on 5/19/2009 9:50:11 PM , Rating: 2
god this is a terrible argument.

so you want to pump your own gas? if your daughter accidentally spilled some gas on the side of her car, drove home, lit a cigarette and had some of the ashes fall onto the gas and burned herself to death, I'd think you'd be pissed.

so you want to mount a TV on your wall? if your daughter walked by right when an earthquake hit, causing the wall mount to break and crushing your daughter, I'd think you'd be pissed.

so you want to eat ice cream? if your daughter ate ice cream everyday, gained fat and became so unattractive that no man would touch her, I'd think you'd be pissed.


RE: Prostitution should be legal
By Natfly on 5/19/2009 2:57:17 PM , Rating: 4
But hey, if they want to go to a bar around last call and pick up some drunk person to have sex with, it's all good!


RE: Prostitution should be legal
By MozeeToby on 5/19/2009 3:00:02 PM , Rating: 5
quote:
Prostitution is illegal for a reason. It's not a moral issue, but practical. Diseases are spread very quickly through close physical contact, and not just STDs.
But by your own admission, the laws don't prevent prostitution.

What he is suggesting in regards to STD testing is something like licensed brothel houses, where the prostitutes would be screened weekly and if they lied or cheated the test the brothel would lose its license. Basically how bars have liquor licenses; if you or your employees break the law you lose the license and your business with it.

Germany has done these things without a plague of STDs or other infectious diseases. The idea that having a regulated sex industry would spread more disease than the current unregulated one is implausible to me.


RE: Prostitution should be legal
By walk2k on 5/19/2009 3:13:40 PM , Rating: 3
It's safer having sex with a (legal, licensed) prostitute in a Nevada brothel than picking up some drunk slut in bar, that's for sure.

They are tested weekly for STDs and monthly for AIDS. Since they have been testing for AIDS not one girl has ever has tested postive.


RE: Prostitution should be legal
By MatthiasF on 5/19/2009 3:27:57 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
Germany has done these things without a plague of STDs or other infectious diseases.


Hardly. Most STDs are more prevalent in Western Europe than North America, and are spreading faster.

http://www.avert.org/stdstatisticsworldwide.htm


RE: Prostitution should be legal
By ClownPuncher on 5/19/2009 3:33:24 PM , Rating: 3
The gubment is not there to protect me from myself. If you can't take responsibility for your own actions, then you get your name in the Darwin Awards.

Enough micro-managing peoples lives, unless you don't understand what the word "freedom" means.


RE: Prostitution should be legal
By kattanna on 5/19/2009 3:52:55 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
unless you don't understand what the word "freedom" means


yes.. but MY "freedoms" outrank yours..

;>)


RE: Prostitution should be legal
By MozeeToby on 5/19/2009 2:50:46 PM , Rating: 3
I'm not sure why you were down-modded so thoroughly, there's nothing particularly bad about anything you said except that Craigslist should somehow be the regulator for prostitution. There are at least a handful of countries that have successfully legalized prostitution and enforce rules very similar to what you otherwise suggest.

You're central point, I think, is that making prostitution illegal is like any kind of prohibition. You push the industry into the realm of organized crime, which only gives the criminals another source of income with which to operate. You also make it harder for the prostitutes to seek protection when they are in danger, since they dare not go to the police for help.

All in all, you could have a tax generating service that is safer and cleaner for all parties. Instead, you have an unregulated and dangerous industry that ruins lives. If you could actually stamp out prostitution it might be worth the effort and expense to outlaw it but as it is that just isn't going to happen.


RE: Prostitution should be legal
By tastyratz on 5/19/2009 4:31:53 PM , Rating: 2
good thing bush is gone, say that in earshot and we would have had a "war on prostitution" because prostitution supports terrorism (although I have seem some terror striking prostitutes roaming around before)

I agree that prostitution should absolutely be legal, just like marijuana.

How much money do we waste persecuting profitable industries driving them into crime and health hazards when we could be taxing them and avoid raising the taxes on non luxury items. Everyone benefits here.


RE: Prostitution should be legal
By Oregonian2 on 5/19/2009 11:10:34 PM , Rating: 2
And as has been pointed out, prostitution is legal in much of Nevada (on a county option basis I understand) and a brothel (near Reno I think) has had several HBO series featuring the goings on there. Think Isabella Soprano, a "different" HBO Soprano.


RE: Prostitution should be legal
By quiksilvr on 5/19/2009 7:12:56 PM , Rating: 2
Prostitution is not criminal. Its been a norm in society for centuries but thanks to religious fanatics shoving their beliefs down people's throats, prostitution was illegal.

And I read a post earlier talking about how the no STD thing will cause issues, but there is a simple solution: if a client has an STD beforehand, that client can simply be matched with a prostitute with the same STD so as to avoid spreading it.


RE: Prostitution should be legal
By walk2k on 5/19/2009 3:08:21 PM , Rating: 2
Hey if anyone knows about criminal activities it's a politician.


RE: Prostitution should be legal
By omnicronx on 5/19/2009 3:21:30 PM , Rating: 2
Is someone going to bring this up every time this craigslist fiasco is mentioned?

Give it a damn rest.


By OblivionMage on 5/19/2009 4:12:30 PM , Rating: 2
The article was about prostitution, so we talk about prostitution... duhr.


RE: Prostitution should be legal
By mindless1 on 5/19/2009 6:01:27 PM , Rating: 1
You need to step back and look at the facts.

1) No, it is not a "legal transaction", by definition it is illegal. I'm not saying it should be illegal, just that your logic was corrupt from the start.

2) Making it legal does not eliminate STDs at all. Free sex is legal, are there no STD carriers besides prostitutes? How did the prostitute get the STD in the first place?

3) Safe facilities? Wow, talk about Big Brother. We'll legislate exactly where people can have sex? Oh wait, we already do legislate it can't happen in public places.

4) You totally misunderstand what laws are. They are not what makes sense to you, they are not what one individual thinks is moral or acceptible under particular circumstances.

Laws are what the majority chose. If the majority feel it should be illegal to wear shoes on both feet at the same time, it does not matter if you or I think that is a ridiculous law, all that matters is that it is what the majority decided.

The point is, your opinions only matter to the extent that you might sway enough people to agree that it changes the law, but there is little to no chance of effecting this change here posting on a tech web forum. Therefore I have to feel it is ludicrous that your post was rated up as it fails in every possible logical way.


Incompetence
By JimmyJimmington on 5/19/2009 2:32:34 PM , Rating: 5
Prostitution itself shouldn't be a crime. Videotaping the same act and selling the recording makes that act legal because we can call it pornography? I understand that women and kids are often the victims in prostitution. If we're not going to legalize and regulate prostitution, why not use craigslist as a TOOL for law enforcement? Isn't it better that all the information is public and viewable by police. Shouldn't they be glad that there is one centralized place of exchange so they can catch the criminals they claim they want to stop. Pure incompetence.




RE: Incompetence
By Chaser on 5/19/2009 2:39:59 PM , Rating: 2
You mean like the "catch car"? :)


RE: Incompetence
By MatthiasF on 5/19/2009 2:55:30 PM , Rating: 1
Video taping yourself with a prostitute isn't called pornography. I believe it's called evidence.

Feel free to upload it, I'm sure the authorities agreeing with you that watching Craigslist and other online bulletin boards for activity will also be keeping tabs on the free online video sites too.

As far as legalizing prostitution, there's a good reason why it's been illegal in most civilized societies for the last several thousand years.

As I said in the other thread, it's not a moral/religious issue like proponents like to press, but a practical problem. Promiscuous people sharing close contact with dozens of others increase the likelihood of diseases being spread around the population. Condoms do not 100% protect against STDs and there are other diseases communicable from intimate contact that can't be blocked by even the safest forms of safe sex.

The risks are too great to openly allow, and even diseases that aren't deadly can be very expensive to treat over the course of your lifetime.


RE: Incompetence
By rdeegvainl on 5/19/2009 3:04:39 PM , Rating: 2
So your argument against prostitution is because of the dangers of sex, and has nothing to do with the paying for it part...


RE: Incompetence
By MatthiasF on 5/19/2009 10:15:18 PM , Rating: 1
Specifically promiscuous sex, not all sex.


RE: Incompetence
By HammerZ on 5/20/2009 1:54:48 PM , Rating: 2
By your logic, let's solve the problem and make promiscuous sex sex illegal. The pure act of exchanging money is irrelevant. The difference between prostitution and porn is simply a film crew and a script of less than 10 words. :)


RE: Incompetence
By Jackattak on 5/19/2009 3:07:59 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Promiscuous people sharing close contact with dozens of others increase the likelihood of diseases being spread around the population.


Show me evidence of this in areas where prostitution is legal (except maybe Las Vegas where everyone's diseased lol).

Without citation this information is completely unfounded.

The adult film industry is completely regulated and disease is almost nil.


RE: Incompetence
By OrSin on 5/19/2009 3:29:36 PM , Rating: 2
The funny thing is if you video tape yourself have sex and pay the women to be in the video its perfectly legal. Sorry but its moral issue and a stupid one at that. It should never be illegal to pay for something that you can do for free. Not sure why people are siteing other countries when its legal right here in the US. And for the record its not Vegas, but a small town outside of it. So don't get caught in vegas.


RE: Incompetence
By Beno on 5/19/2009 5:14:25 PM , Rating: 2
if someone wants to bang a prostitute, he'll do it wether it is legal or not. and its not like "prostitution is now legal. go have sex people!!!"

you are talking about dangers of sex, you can only be safe by not having sex.


RE: Incompetence
By erple2 on 5/19/2009 5:16:53 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
there's a good reason why it's been illegal in most civilized societies for the last several thousand years.
...
increase the likelihood of diseases being spread around the population


Curious. How long have people known about how diseases spread through microbes, and not through magical goblins that live in your stomach?

I'd wager that Prostitution has been illegal for purely political reasons for thousands of years. Now that I think about it, I wonder if it's more because women were not allowed to earn any kind of wage outside of what their husband gave them, particularly in very heavily male-centric societies. In fact, I bet that's the real reason why Prostitution has been "illegal ... for the last several thousand years". Making it a Moral issue based on artificially created religious views I think is simply a convenience for the law. Particularly when the law and religion were synonymous for so many thousands of years.


RE: Incompetence
By Zoomer on 5/20/2009 12:11:31 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
I wonder if it's more because women were not allowed to earn any kind of wage outside of what their husband gave them


Nope. That's what the pimps are for!


RE: Incompetence
By atlmann10 on 5/20/2009 12:08:34 AM , Rating: 2
ROFL, I love all the comments on promiscuous people spread disease and it's not legal in my state city area etc. The primary reason it (prostitution) is actually widespread is the same place this forum is, the internet. There are prostitute advertising sites nation wide, most of them also have thousands upon thousands of hit every single month. The next factor is it may be illegal; but if it isn't street walking, on a 100/1 basis, and that is probably very large the police do nothing about it. A law that goes virtually unprosecuted is by method of practice invalid even if it is there. If you don't believe me search on Google for escort in your city. Go to one of the large sites and be amazed. I did some surveillance for a woman on her husband a few years back, and one thing I found astounded me. Search for EROS, bigdoggie, theeroticreview then look up your city. In my state there are literally hundreds if not thousands. OH and the other reasoning for my statement. When I did some investigating for this woman the first thing I did was install a monitor on her computer. The next was investigate the sites that were hit and the communications sent. She notified authorities on the ones with direct communications hoping to get him caught in the act. Zero were busted!!!!! ZERO!!! OH you can also find prostitutes on Yahoo, AOL, MSN chat programs, and many, many, many other places on the internet that live in your community, in many cases your own subdivision. So the people that want this kept illegal are in the first place stupid because it's to wide spread for the police to even catch them all and enforce it.


Remove the Moral Majority or the Lobby
By Jackattak on 5/19/2009 3:02:01 PM , Rating: 4
Prostitution being illegal has nothing to do with safety or public concern and has everything to do with the "Moral Majority" self-righteous religious pig politicians inflecting their will. Remove them and the lobby (all of it) so we can get some true personal freedoms in our country.

Religion is ruining the country I defended (or at least part of it), however I feel that Change is on the way. Soon their power will be removed entirely and true progress and personal freedom will be instilled in our country.




RE: Remove the Moral Majority or the Lobby
By JakLee on 5/19/2009 6:26:23 PM , Rating: 2
You can't have ture personal freedom without true personal responsibility. Until our country is willing to accept responsibility as a culture I don't believe that this "true" personal freedom you mention will work out very well.

Religion does not ruin the country I fought for. The willingness to tolerate others freedom and beliefs are also an integral part of our freedom. You are free to believe the way want just as I am free to believe the way I want. Changing the laws because of personal belief is fine; degrading people because of thier belief is not.


RE: Remove the Moral Majority or the Lobby
By Jackattak on 5/19/2009 6:35:31 PM , Rating: 2
As far as personal accountability goes, see my post above where I mentioned as much.

quote:
The willingness to tolerate others freedom and beliefs are also an integral part of our freedom.


quote:
degrading people because of their belief is not.


You are exactly right on both counts and I apologize for my degrading comments towards those who are religious.


RE: Remove the Moral Majority or the Lobby
By JakLee on 5/19/2009 6:50:18 PM , Rating: 2
Well it is easy to understand why people on either side of a disagreement get upset. I personally am attacked for my religion (on message boards mostly, lol, people don't often do it to my face) and I am a bit sensitive about that. But I do appreciate how it can appear that a group is restricting your freedom and therefore should be the subject of scorn. Quite often people (not just religious people) believe that their veiws are "best". I have found that quite often people can be shown why that is not true and yet still hold to that belief. Something in human nature, call it hubris, call it whatever, considers itself to be correct against almost all evidence to the contrary. I do want to reiterate/clarify that I was not attacking you in particular though. As a veteran I thank you for your service as well and believe in many of the same points you have mentioned in previous posts, I just come to different conclusions at times. That is one of the things that I believe makes USA great; we can agree to disagree.


By Jackattak on 5/19/2009 7:30:49 PM , Rating: 2
Absolutely, positively, sir.

Every once in a while (actually all too often) I do get too heated on these personal freedom issues but you more-so than anyone else can understand that. Doesn't make it right, thus the online apology. Never been afraid to say when I've gone to far and "man-up" to it.

And yes, one of the things that makes our country so insanely bitchin' is the fact that we're such a melting pot of cultures and ideas, and I need to remember that. :)

Thanks for your service as well :thumbup:


My Thoughts
By TheeVagabond on 5/20/2009 8:44:52 AM , Rating: 2
Talk your intellectual ego inflating language all you want. I've known too many people I cared about get hurt physically, mentally, spiritually by the tyrant's drug like need for vile acts to get their fix. In the end all of you will shut your mouths when it happens to you or your loved ones. Just like the atheist cries out "God!" in a battle when he's shot at.




RE: My Thoughts
By Jackattak on 5/20/2009 10:32:41 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Just like the atheist cries out "God!" in a battle when he's shot at.


Dunno how many "battles" you've been in but this post was written by an atheist who didn't scream out anything when he got shot at.

I shot back.

Your "god" has no place on the battlefield. Wars are the things of men.


RE: My Thoughts
By VashHT on 5/20/2009 1:14:39 PM , Rating: 2
I wonder if you actually tried to help those people you cared about or if you just prayed for God to help them while you watched their lives fall apart.


Craigslist should be a gold mine for law enforcement
By zixin on 5/20/2009 9:20:12 AM , Rating: 2
Why is all the attorney generals blastering Craigslist? I would think that the cops would love Craigslist. I mean where in the world do you find "criminals" that advertise themselves. If LE really want to crack down on prositution all they need to do is go to Craigslist, go down the list and set up sting operations. If all of the Craigslist's prostitution ads go away, where will LE get their leads?




By mydogfarted on 5/20/2009 11:08:11 AM , Rating: 2
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Why are all the attorney generals blaster Craigslist?


Fixed.

Many AGs are elected officials. The AG in this particular case is in the middle of the "Bible Belt".


McMaster up for reelection?
By overlandpark4me on 5/20/2009 9:19:53 PM , Rating: 2
Sounds like he is looking for press, so it makes sense. Anyone know?




RE: McMaster up for reelection?
By Jackattak on 5/21/2009 11:29:52 AM , Rating: 2
Yes. He is actually planning a run for governor as their current gov is at his term limit.


Oh well,....
By nixoofta on 5/19/2009 7:17:20 PM , Rating: 2
Looks like no one else is gonna say it,...." Sorry, Craig! "




Ironic isn't it?
By Xavier434 on 5/20/2009 9:10:37 AM , Rating: 2
I think it's funny that Craigslist is very well known and popular for job searches yet the oldest ongoing profession in the history of mankind is on its way to being completely banned on the site.




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