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The $100M USD+ Bitcoin market is experiencing its first major inflationary event. There's great volatility, but since Friday's drop of 15 percent, the trend has been a reduction in value versus the USD.  (Source: Mt. Gox)

In some way Bitcoins are like traditional currency, in other ways, they bear more similarity to publicly traded stock. Many individuals are using them to buy and sell goods or services, though, just like a standard currency.  (Source: Life Hack)

Bitcoin miners can make a tidy profit by pushing early adoption, but market volatility creates a level of risk.  (Source: WCCF Tech)

Bitcoin protects the users' anonymity with sufficient IP obfuscation. However, it cannot hide the real world trail of physical transactions, some purchases leave. Thus using Bitcoins to purchase illegal substances is a risky proposition as real world shipments of goods are most definitely traceable.  (Source: AP Photo)

Bitcoins are an exciting development as they offer a unique new economic mechanism. However, the movement faces a number of risks to its goal of becoming a legitimate, widely used currency.  (Source: Nerd Merit Badges)
Bitcoin slump shows signs of slowing; misinformation remains widespread

Our piece on the Bitcoin market's "Black Friday" saw tremendous pickup, being carried or quoted by Business Insider, Spiegel (Germany's equivalent of The Wall Street Journal), and Slashdot (whose submitter did an admirable job explaining the piece), among others.

Over the weekend there was more movement in the Bitcoin market, and much confusion about the peer-to-peer currency remains.  In this follow up we'll take an objective look at what we feel the true story of Bitcoin is.

I. Is the Bitcoin "Recession"/"Depression" Over?

The market on Sunday showed signs of recovery.  With the world's largest exchange, Mt. Gox opening at $14.75 USD/Bitcoin, the price has floated up to $20.14 USD/Bitcoin [source].  That's a massive 36.5 percent upward shift (in a deflationary direction). (The market has since receded slightly to $19 USD/Bitcoin.)

On the other hand, after the Bitcoin "Black Friday" the market is now down 30.3 percent thanks to another major dip on Saturday (this shift is in the inflationary direction).

Last, but not least, if you look at Bitcoin trading over the last month it's seen rampant deflation, with prices soaring from around a dollar in mid-May to current levels -- nearly 20 fold deflation.

So what does all this mean?  In short, it indicates that there is a great deal of volatility in the Bitcoin market.  Part of this arises out of media coverage of the crypto-currency.  Part of it is based on the growing pains of an experimental currency that's still in the proving stages.

II. Are Bitcoins Currency?

Ostensibly, the answer is yes, Bitcoins are a peer-to-peer internet-driven cryptocurrency.  However, Bitcoins' unique nature means that they have many critical differences from standard currency.

First, the originators of the Bitcoin market didn't want to take the 100+ years that most modern currencies required to mature.  To that end they "seeded" the market, by granting ownership "miners" -- people who used hardware to "find" Bitcoins using an underlying algorithm.

In this regard Bitcoins are a bit like land stakes.  If you get in early and have the proper resources (hardware) you can lay stake to a large Bitcoin claim.  For example, the "father" of Bitcoins, Satoshi Nakamoto reportedly has around 150,000 Bitcoins (~$3.0M USD) [source] out of around 6.518m Bitcoins currently in existence.

On the other hand, the rapid growth in value of Bitcoins comes thanks to their utility (more on that late).  In that regard, they behave much like a stock.  Much as a stock -- say shares of Apple, Inc. (AAPL) -- can rise dozens-fold on news and speculation, Bitcoins can see a great deal of volatility and offer great payoff to early adopters at the cost of great risk.

Bitcoins can be used to purchase real world goods and services among willing merchants.  And they are housed in "accounts" -- cryptography protected digital records.  In that regard they are much like currency.

Traditional currencies typically originated based on the barter of commodities (such as gold or animal pelts) then eventually evolved into a non-commodity based medium for making daily purchases.  By contrast the creators of the Bitcoin movement hoped to remove the commodity stage.  They instead created a currency that began as exchange object that could be traded with real world currencies, and evolved into a full fledged medium for selling and buying goods and services.

To summarize the complex answer to this question, currencies inherently imply a stable medium for everyday financial exchanges.  For now Bitcoins satisfy the latter definition of currency, but not the former.  In that respect they can be thought of as a hybrid of a "stock" and a currency, which should (in theory) evolve towards a pure currency in the long run.

III. Are Bitcoins Risky to Buy/Sell/Mine/Trade?

Bitcoin mining (building the Bitcoin economy via seeding) has shown itself thus far to be relatively safe.  If you use current clients and hardware, you can generate Bitcoins at a competitive rate and sell them to break even off your hardware.  After that, everything is pure profit.

Day trading Bitcoin currency, or accepting Bitcoins as a payment method is slightly more risky.  Think of it as trading stock.  You're unlikely to lose the majority of your value, but volatility could make it hard to instantly redeem your holdings in your nation's currency.  Likewise, if your timing is poor (say if you bought into Bitcoins at $28 USD/Bitcoin on Thursday), you could lose a significant amount of money.

IV. What's the Reward of Bitcoins?

Bitcoins enjoy several advantages over traditional currencies.  One of the biggest is the degree of anonymity they provide.  While not completely anonymous, depending on the user's behavior, Bitcoins nonetheless offer a degree of privacy that's particularly affective in warding off cybercriminals or real-world enemies who might wish to target you for some reason.

Another advantage of Bitcoins is that they can be divided down to fractions 1e-8 -- one hundred millionth of a Bitcoin.  That fraction is called a "Satoshi", in honor of the "father" of Bitcoins.  By allowing currency to be divided to finer fractions, buyers and sellers have greater flexibility in sales and bartering.

Yet another advantage of Bitcoins is that they're not reliant on a single central monetary authority.  Rather power is spread between individual users and Bitcoin exchanges.  In this regard, they're not solely reliant on the financial success of an individual nation and, in theory, safer from concerted financial sabotage.

V. Is There a Bitcoin "Central Authority"?

Officially, no, there is not.  One of the commonly spread notions about Bitcoins is that anyone can mine Bitcoins, anyone can use them, and anyone can start a Bitcoin exchange.  

However, in practice it takes a bit of technical skills to mine, buy, sell, or accept Bitcoins.  It takes much more effort to start a Bitcoin exchange and actually get people to use it.

Probably the closest thing to a "central authority" in the Bitcoin world are the major exchanges.  If the major exchanges -- say Mt. Gox, bitomatPLN, virwoxSLL, britcoinGBP, bitmarketEUR, bcmPPUSD, and thUSD -- all decided to implement trading rules that made the market close upon a gain or loss of over 5 percent of the currency's value in a single day, the whole market would be greatly affected. (We suggest such a change in are previous piece.)

The exchanges have sufficient power to enact major changes because over 99 percent of the world's Bitcoin currency exchange volume is funneled through these seven exchanges.  

In practice, if you "didn't like" these changes, you could go and start your own exchange.  However, much like a business, it takes a lot of know how to start one, and it takes a lot effort to promote them.  Few people have the technical competence to start a Bitcoin exchange, fewer still the time to start one.  And even less people have the time to promote a new exchange.  So at the end of the day, the aforementioned seven "major" exchanges hold a great deal of power over the currency's application.

Mt. Gox controls over 90 percent of the trading volume, so it's obviously the single most powerful entity in the Bitcoin world, by controlling Bitcoin currency exchange.  In that regard its somewhat of a de facto authority, but its more of a community-elected power than a monetary policy dictator (unlike standard central banks).

VI. Is Bitcoin an International Currency?

Ostensibly yes, but in practice Bitcoins remain closely tied to the United States Dollar (USD).  Mt. Gox accepts funds transferred from EuroWire, but traditionally it's been heavily driven via USD funds -- transferred using mechanisms such as Paypal, Dwolla, Lindens, or Liberty Reserve.

The Polish zloty and Euro (the European Union's currency) are two of the secondary most important currencies to the Bitcoin movement, though they reportedly drive a much smaller percent of the overall volume than USDs.

As time passes, Bitcoins will likely evolve into more of an international currency, but like most world currencies, they will likely be tied to the currency of the prevailing world economic superpower.  That superpower used to be Britain; today it is the U.S.; and someday it may be China.  But suffice it to say, the Bitcoin is unlikely to replace traditional currencies, so it will likely be closely tied to the "dominant" currency of its era.

VII. Are Bitcoins Anonymous?

Bitcoins are anonymous to an extent, via cryptographic mechanisms.  However, transactions can be viewed on an IP level, thus anonymity is largely a measure of how well you hide your true location (your IP address). 

If you use the address given to you by your internet service provider (ISP) for Bitcoin transactions, anyone with sufficient desire, technical savvy, and resources can probably trace you.

If you obfuscate your IP via Tor or other services, your anonymity greatly increases.  However, physical transactions in the real world driven by virtual Bitcoin exchanges can still compromise whatever anonymity you maintained online.

At the end of the day, the answer here is that Bitcoins do offer you a bit more anonymity than, say, transactions using U.S. twenty dollar bills.  How much more anonymity they offer varies, but nonetheless, they are not "untraceable" when used to buy real world goods and services -- not because they're traceable online, but because real world goods and services are inherently traceable.

VIII. Are Bitcoins Used to Buy Drugs?  Is It Safe to Purchase Narcotics With Bitcoins?

Some people have used Bitcoins to purchase narcotics online.  

That said, it is inadvisable to purchase narcotics or illegal services with Bitcoins.  Narcotics are inherently associated with discrete real world transactions.  You might think your Bitcoins are "untraceable", but a delivery of drugs from a known dealer sure isn't.

In this regard Bitcoins absolutely do not anonymize illicit, monitorable exchanges of goods and services.  This is an extremely common misconception -- one held even by some U.S. Senators.

To understand this better, we shall present a short fictitious scenario.  First, consider that a drug dealer may may ship crack cocaine to a person via the U.S. Postal Service, after a Bitcoin transaction.  This transaction may go unnoticed by law enforcement.  But the dealer is unlikely to only sell via Bitcoin.  They probably will also sell to individuals on the street.  Let us assume that after some time, they're caught and charged with a felony by police. 

Next, consider that law enforcement officials decide to track the felon's IP activity.  They discover that they're using Bitcoin marketplaces.  Then the police may start monitoring their shipments.  Finally, let's consider that one of these tracked shipments, containing a case of ecstasy pills gets delivered to your house.  You think you're safe -- but you're not.  Police have tracked the shipment and know you're in possession of narcotics.  They raid your house, find the drugs and find you in possession of narcotics, and charge you.  Not only that, additional charges may be tacked on for conspiring to deliver an illegal substance via the mail.

Police can track sales of illegal goods or services -- e.g. narcotics or prostitution -- via monitoring of real world exchanges and behavior.  If you use Bitcoins to buy these kind of services, you stand a substantial risk to get caught, particularly as knowledge of Bitcoin use grows in the law enforcement community.  As is typical with non-digital sales of these kinds of illegal items, the risk is thought to be somewhat lower if done from the privacy of your home.  However, endemic offenses will likely be noticed and lead to arrests.

That said, the whole debate about Bitcoins and drugs is overstated.  Bitcoins aren't about drugs or crime.  They can be used for a great deal of legitimate purposes.  Even if your main reason for using Bitcoins is anonymity, there's plenty of legitimate reasons to desire that -- to avoid government intrusions in your private life; to prevent other individuals (e.g. neighbors, your significant other, employers) from spying on you; and to prevent malicious individuals (such as hackers) from monitoring your activities.

IX. Are Bitcoins in Danger of Deflation?

Under the deflation scenario bitcoins are expected to continue to rise in value versus the USD.  For example, some expect they may one day hit anywhere from $100 USD/Bitcoin to $1,000 USD/Bitcoin.

Traditionally deflation is very bad for a currency, because it means that people won't want to spend the currency because it's so "valuable".  But this is largely an effect of the particular currency's limitations imposed by its smallest denomination.  In other words, if the smallest unit of currency is a penny and a penny can buy you a video game, you may not want to spend much money as it's so valuable.

In traditional currencies deflation can have a disastrous effect on spending due to the reasons outlined above.  However, Bitcoins offer divisions down to 1e-8 -- which currently has a value of around 20 millionths of a penny.

Thus the "Satoshi" -- the smallest unit of Bitcoin currency is unlikely to become significantly valuable even under the wildest deflation scenario.  Thus, it's unlikely that people will hoard Bitcoins and that deflation will become a serious direct issue.

That said, if one thousandth of a Bitcoin is worth one USD, it may prove a psychological barrier that will dissuade casual participants.  For that reason it may be desirable to offer more Bitcoins after the planned initial generation of 21 million Bitcoins.

It will be up to the community to try to figure out exactly how to implement this, nonetheless it may be possible to expand the number of coins that the eventual "mature" market will have in distribution.

X. Why Can't Paypal be Used for Bitcoins Anymore on Mt. Gox?

Paypal, a subsidiary of eBay, Inc. (EBAY), used to be accepted by Mt. Gox as a source of funds for purchases or sales of Bitcoins.  Given the popularity of Paypal and the leading role of Mt. Gox, this was a major source of money transfers into and out of the exchange.

Recently, though, Mt. Gox banned Paypal.  Some mistakenly believe this is due to insecurity or account theft on Paypal.  In reality it's because of Paypal's policies.  According to the Bitcoin wiki:
This is due to repeated cases where someone pays for Bitcoins with Paypal, receives their Bitcoins, and then fraudulently complains to Paypal that they never received their goods. Paypal too often sides with the fraudulent buyer in this case, and so exchangers no longer allow this method of funding.
Paypal most definitely would be a valuable ally to the Bitcoin movement and Bitcoin exchanges, however until they modify their policies to recognize and verify Bitcoin transactions, the majority of the community will have to move on without them.  In the short term this seems unlikely to change -- Paypal has a policy against virtual currencies.

XI. Are Bitcoins a Good Idea?

Arguably, the answer to this is yes.  They have several distinct advantages outlined above.

It's easy to dismiss them because they have failed to behave like a traditional currency during their initial distribution.  That said, they have already succeeded in generating a currency worth more than $130M USD -- a value that approaches the GDP of a small nation.

Bitcoins offer the world's first digital-age currency.  They reward early adopters uniquely, but they offer many benefits for supporters who come in at any point in the process.

That said, the market clearly is very volatile.  In order to overcome these growing pains, the community and exchanges may need to agree upon certain trading rules to prevent bidirectional rapid inflation/deflation swings.

XII. Are Bitcoins Legal?

It appears that Bitcoins are currently legal under U.S. laws.  There are no laws that outlaw the trade of non-U.S. currency, as long as it is not represented falsely as U.S. currency.

There are laws against unauthorized money exchange businesses [source].  However, the major exchanges like Mt. Gox are registered to individuals outside the U.S. in many cases and, further, may not qualify as a "business" as they charge a small fee (0.65% per trade) and do not make money off advertising.

As long as the exchanges are run as nonprofit entities, they appear to be legal -- even if they're operated within the U.S.

There has been recent pressure by Senators Charles Schumer (D,New York) and Joe Manchin (D, West Virginia) to shut down narcotics marketplaces that accept Bitcoins.  That has led to fear that the government could next move against Bitcoin exchanges.

However, those fears are largely unfounded.  Indeed, even the Senators' suggestion about the online marketplaces is full of misconceptions.  For example they indicate that Bitcoin-driven narcotics sales are untraceable, which is simply not true, as outlined above.

XIII. What is DailyTech's "Agenda" w.r.t. Bitcoins?

DailyTech is a news site and its only agenda is to cover the news.  Covering Bitcoins is a tough job as miners and those who support the movement are used to the media trying to discredit or destroy the movement, in some cases.

Our staffers do not currently hold any major Bitcoin holdings.  Nor have we been contacted by any business or government agency to "discredit" Bitcoins.

Our analysis is independent and objective and is the result of a great deal of research.  We welcome our readers' involvement and suggestions as many of them use or have experimented with the use of Bitcoins.

We are happy to provide commentary to other news outlets regarding these and other observations regarding this unique phenomena.


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Drastically over-valued
By jkostans on 6/12/2011 8:34:57 PM , Rating: 2
I'm sorry but no one is actually getting anything close to the $20 per bitcoin and I doubt ever will. I don't get how a currency can flourish when the bulk of the money is held by a select few BEFORE it's in widespread use. I mean who the hell wants to jump into that scenario with your hard earned USDs? They're literally printing all of the money that will ever be in the system and giving to people who let their video cards run at 100%. It's a good idea on many levels, but is flawed in a way that will prevent it from ever meaning anything. It's too bad.




RE: Drastically over-valued
By stonemetal on 6/12/2011 8:53:08 PM , Rating: 3
I sold two bit coins on the 8th and got around 27 dollars a piece for them. So yes people were getting close to 20 dollars for them. Looking at Mt. Gox right now they are reporting a low of 10 a high of 24 and a last sale price of 18(I believe their numbers track the last 48hrs), so what do you mean no one is actually getting close to $20 for them?


RE: Drastically over-valued
By Amincd on 6/12/2011 9:04:32 PM , Rating: 2
There are thousands of trades every day that are publicly listed at Mt. Gox. That is where the price data comes from. When it's said that the price of a BTC is $30, that means the last sale of a BTC was for that much.


RE: Drastically over-valued
By icanhascpu on 6/12/11, Rating: 0
RE: Drastically over-valued
By Raptorblaze on 6/12/2011 11:38:52 PM , Rating: 2
I made over 500 dollars selling bitcoins (less than 20) just before the market dropped, and I'm only a casual miner. Please don't make assumptions.


RE: Drastically over-valued
By jkostans on 6/13/2011 12:27:10 PM , Rating: 2
I'm not doubting there is some money to be made off of the poor souls who expect the currency to go mainstream. I'm doubting the average person is going to want to use this currency at these exchange rates. Buying into a system where millionaires already exist simply because they let their computer run for years on end just doesn't make sense to me. You would be validating their wealth at that point and I personally would never do that. Unless the bitcoin community makes some sacrifices they will forevever keep out the individuals they really need.

Just explain to me how a $140 million USD economy can spring up out of nowhere with no actual "value" input? I understand the point of mining as far as creating a secure system, but $140 million in spendable value just doesn't exist in that community simply because insane amounts of hashing has been done.

I guess only time will tell and I'll eat my words the first time I exchange my dollars for bitcoins.


RE: Drastically over-valued
By UNHchabo on 6/13/2011 2:36:16 PM , Rating: 2
The bitcoin economy is worth $140 million because there's $140 million in real money that's been put into the system.

The stock market analogy is apt here, even if not perfect: if someone buys 100 shares of a $10 stock, they've put $1000 into the system. Their hope is that other people will also put money into the system, raising the value of their investment.

Similar to how there's a fixed number of shares of a company's stock on the market at any given time, there's a fixed number of bitcoins that exist at any given time. With supply at a fixed number, price is entirely determined by demand. If demand drops to zero, you won't be able to sell what you have at any price. If demand skyrockets, people will be willing to pay handsomely for what you hold.


RE: Drastically over-valued
By mudgiestylie on 6/13/2011 6:17:40 PM , Rating: 2
$140 million in real money thats been put into the system?

What constitutes real money? The US dollar like most if not all major currencies are fiat to begin with. If you mean paper money, then that isn't the case either because people are trading and buying all this electronically. I think this all says a great deal about the world economy and how we attempt to apply value to anything and everything, and how hopelessly deficient our ideas of money are. also kinda reminds me of the paradox of value.


RE: Drastically over-valued
By UNHchabo on 6/13/2011 8:06:18 PM , Rating: 2
I think the "stock market" comparison still works here: if a company sells 1 million shares of stock to the public, at a dollar per share, there's a million dollars in the system. If the value of the shares go up to $10 each, then I'd say there's $10 million in the system, even though only $1 million went to the company.

In this case, the "shares" (bitcoins) were essentially given away for free, then rose in value as people traded them. Just like a share of stock, it only has the value that people assign to it. If consumer confidence in a company's stock goes down, so does the value of their stock.


RE: Drastically over-valued
By EricMartello on 6/13/2011 6:33:00 AM , Rating: 3
Value is determined by what someone is willing to pay for a particular item, be it a service, commodity or physical product. The idea of bitcoins is pretty cool, I must admit, but there is room for improvement.

The P2P nature of currency generation limits the amount of bitcoins in circulation and in theory prevents any one entity from controlling it...but instead of having the coin miners "solving puzzles" I think a better approach would be to use that computing power to do something meaningful or at least useful, like those distributed number-crunching programs.


RE: Drastically over-valued
By Laereom on 6/13/2011 12:02:19 PM , Rating: 2
It's a common misconception that miners are just 'solving puzzles'. I suppose in the strictest sense, that is what they are doing. However, they do create value in that by generating blocks and increasing the difficulty of generating blocks, they are making the network less vulnerable to evildoers, as it were.

Long story short, it prevents someone from being able to 'double spend' a bitcoin -- give it to one user, receive compensation for it, and then outpace the distributed generation of transaction logs and supplant them with its own.

Basically, every miner 'solving puzzles' makes it that much more expensive to execute a double spending attack.


RE: Drastically over-valued
By EricMartello on 6/13/2011 5:19:22 PM , Rating: 2
You would think that the one thing people would learn by now is that no matter how "tight" your security seems to be, someone determined enough can crack it. I did not look into the technical details of the security measures bitcoins have in place, but consider this scenario:

1) Some guy wants to spend bitcoins multiple times.

2) Creates a "joint" mining operation like deepbit.

3) Creates a "custom" mining app for users of the operation.

4) Gathers many miners, pushing effective processing power stratospherically high. If necessary, supplement the processing power using Amazon's EC2 service.

5) Flips a switch within the app designed to "brute force" the bitcoin encryption and crack it. Also, he has access to many bitcoin wallets so the mining app could act as spyware and attack the security from both ends.


RE: Drastically over-valued
By Sinvex on 6/13/2011 7:49:00 PM , Rating: 2
yea or not. you got any idea how bitcoin security even works?


RE: Drastically over-valued
By EricMartello on 6/14/2011 3:42:19 PM , Rating: 2
Do you like asking questions that were answered in the post you're asking about?

quote:
I did not look into the technical details of the security measures bitcoins have in place...


RE: Drastically over-valued
By raelik on 6/14/2011 5:34:21 PM , Rating: 2
He said that because the 'attack' you're talking about doesn't make any sense. This theoretical attacker wouldn't have access to anyone's bitcoin wallet, just their bitcoin addresses, which are public keys, which are not vulnerable to an attack of the kind you're proposing.

The only attack somebody with an exceedingly large amount of processing power could do would be to try to rewrite a block, and thus double spend. However, to have any chance of success, they would need to out-process the entire network.

A back-of-the-envelope calculation would tell you that even if Google threw all 450,000+ of their servers (which would be simple CPU miners) at the Bitcoin network, they MIGHT match the amount of processing being done currently.

Based on the current difficulty of 567269.530162, the network hash rate can be approximated at 4 THashes/sec (tera-hashes). Given an average CPU mining rate of 5 MHashes/sec (this is a high average too), it would take over 800,000 CPUs to match this.


RE: Drastically over-valued
By EricMartello on 6/14/2011 7:46:46 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
He said that because the 'attack' you're talking about doesn't make any sense. This theoretical attacker wouldn't have access to anyone's bitcoin wallet, just their bitcoin addresses, which are public keys, which are not vulnerable to an attack of the kind you're proposing.


Read the part where I mentioned deploying a "spyware" type bitcoin client. It would not be difficult to grab the "wallet.dat" file that contains the key necessary to emulate someones 'account'.

quote:
Based on the current difficulty of 567269.530162, the network hash rate can be approximated at 4 THashes/sec (tera-hashes). Given an average CPU mining rate of 5 MHashes/sec (this is a high average too), it would take over 800,000 CPUs to match this.


I get about 30 MHash/sec on my 980X...though mine is not an average CPU, but the average GPU can do well over 50 MHash/sec. I would say the more realistic average for GPU-based mining is in the 100 Mhash/sec realm. Even average computer systems include a GPU capable of 40-60 Mhash/s on average so let's say 50 Mhash/s is the average. You would only need to infect about 80,000 computers achieve 4 Thashes/s.

It is not very difficult to spread malware to over 80,000 systems, FYI. It could be done within a month.


Top 500 ?
By poi2 on 6/13/2011 1:15:54 AM , Rating: 2
I hope these system won't fail soon,
i already invested my last month paycheck on radeon gpus,
electrical bill gonna rise oh noes...

If top500.org guys put their cpus & gpus into the system,
will it effect bitcoin in price ?




RE: Top 500 ?
By Ringold on 6/13/2011 2:59:32 AM , Rating: 2
The way I understand it, if block creation runs too fast, a difficulty value is increased, making it more difficult to solve the problems to create new blocks, thus keeping coin creation steady.

So I don't know if it'd effect price if the above is true, but as 'heavy iron' put in a huge share of power in to the pool, there'd be less for everyone else, so income may drop.


RE: Top 500 ?
By MozeeToby on 6/13/2011 11:43:30 AM , Rating: 2
It's not so much that someone says "too fast!" and ups the difficulty, it's more like the difficulty increases as there are fewer BitCoins left to 'find'. There are a limited number of BitCoins , each one is more difficult to find than the last.

This fact leads to all the major complaints about BitCoins :

1) Early adopters were able to mine huge amounts of BitCoins simply because the earliest BitCoins were so easy to find. These people (many of them involved in the creation of the BitCoins system) are effectively millionaires at current market rates.

2) So why aren't these early adopters flooding the system with thousands of BitCoins ? Because they know for a fact that BitCoins will be more valuable tomorrow than they are today. The problem with deflation isn't that the smallest denomination is worth too much, the problem is that stuffing your money in a mattress becomes a viable retirement plan. No investments, no loans, and bare minimum spending. And since everyone is hording cash, there's less cash available in the system, and the value goes up even farther.

3) How do we know that deflation will occur in the long run? Deflation occurs when the size of the economy grows faster than the amount of cash available. There are a limited number of BitCoins possible, so the amount of cash has a hard upper limit; in reality, the amount available will be constantly decreasing because of lost 'wallets' and hording. That means that every time the BitCoins economy grows, BitCoins by definition have to increase in value, essentially to 'make room' for the new economic activity.


RE: Top 500 ?
By Solandri on 6/13/2011 12:03:36 PM , Rating: 3
This, in a nutshell, is why nearly every major currency has come off the gold standard, to become a free-floating fiat currency. If you fix the value of your currency on a limited resource, it just encourages those with early wealth to hoard their cache rather than invest it in some activity which yields useful products and services for society.

A fiat currency is simply fairer. It needs to be responsibly managed so the currency expands in sync with the growing economy (with a moderate amount of inflation to encourage reinvestment of capital). But I consider that potential for abuse to be preferable to the guaranteed abuse by early adopters with gold and bitcoins.


RE: Top 500 ?
By BansheeX on 6/14/2011 5:00:46 AM , Rating: 2
Complete and utter shash. Tyranny is as much the norm as fiat currencies. Prevalence does not correlate to what is best.

I suppose I have to remind you that this country operated just fine on a gold standard for almost 200 years after the continental dollar was wiped out by inflation. The highest years of GDP growth are still in that timeline. How is that possible? According to you, gold = standstill.

All fiat currencies meet the same inflationary end and the fed's dollar is fast approaching it's own. Human issuers CANNOT HELP THEMSELVES, it is human and predictable and certain. There is absolutely nothing fair about a currency that bankers can issue, but you have to work for. That you defend these people as they so obviously skim your efforts like a parasite for decades is appalling.

You parrot old Keynesian bugbears like "hoarding" and "limited units". Savings is a good thing, it reflects an increased demand to achieve greater long term gains at the expense of smaller short term gains. Real loans come from savings, not the lever of money printing. How do people with shovels ever get bulldozers if everyone just consumes what they make with the shovels? There must be short term sacrifice in achieving greater future production. Hoarding gold merely causes circulating gold to rise in value, and gold is an almost infinitely divisible element. You can never have "too few" units of gold for trade when it can be meted out to the microgram.


RE: Top 500 ?
By Laereom on 6/13/2011 12:09:12 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
It's not so much that someone says "too fast!" and ups the difficulty, it's more like the difficulty increases as there are fewer BitCoins left to 'find'. There are a limited number of BitCoins , each one is more difficult to find than the last.

Simply not true.

Difficulty increases directly proportionally to the computational speed of the network -- it is fairly arbitrary, but it's based on a set of rules established at the beginning of the block chain which all clients have. If the block creation rate -- which, again, is visible to all clients -- exceeds a certain amount, then the difficulty increases by a specific algorithm in order to slow down block creation.

Now I'll throw you a bone; there IS a limit to the number of bitcoins out there, and it will, eventually, cause bitcoins to be harder to mine. However, this is a different kind of phenomena; difficulty of block creation is regulated by the computational speed of the network. The number of remaining bitcoins left determines the rate of subsidy -- the number of bitcoins awarded for successfully unearthing a new block. We're due for a subsidy halving (from 50 bitcoins per block to 25 bitcoins per block) fairly soon -- I think we're on schedule to get there in the next few months, given the rate of computational growth of the network.


Agenda
By Some1ne on 6/12/11, Rating: 0
RE: Agenda
By KristopherKubicki (blog) on 6/12/2011 9:33:07 PM , Rating: 5
I can assure you this website has nothing to do with the above mentioned accusations. Any DT staff involved in such activity would be immediately and publicly terminated.


RE: Agenda
By DominionSeraph on 6/13/11, Rating: 0
RE: Agenda
By EricMartello on 6/13/2011 6:35:45 AM , Rating: 2
The OP has a fair point...I was wondering myself why nobody on DT ever mentioned bitcoins until now.


RE: Agenda
By mlambert on 6/13/2011 1:57:45 PM , Rating: 4
Probably because they (JM) just heard about it and are pissed that they didn't get in early, just like everyone on the BTC forums.


Market limits
By whitslack on 6/12/2011 10:01:29 PM , Rating: 2
The idea of shutting down the Bitcoin exchanges when they heat up is just as repugnant to the central idea of Bitcoin as central banks are. Markets do get emotional at times, but that is something we all understand and accept. Shutting down a market is an artificial move that is in opposition to the concept of a free market. If an exchange took up such a policy, it would only incentivize the creation of new exchanges without such an artificial policy. If I can't trade my Bitcoins on Mt. Gox because it has "shut down," I'll simply go to another exchange that hasn't shut down. Even if all the currently existing exchanges colluded to shut down together, they would simply be granting enormous leverage for a newcomer to take all their volume. The concept of artificial market limits has no place in a free economy and cannot stand in one.




RE: Market limits
By Ringold on 6/13/2011 2:48:03 AM , Rating: 5
Shut-downs and temporary freezes have nothing at all to do with free market principles, either for or against. They're safety measures. In a free market with perfect distribution of information, should anything REALLY fluctuate in value to the tune of 15, 20, or 30% in a matter of mere hours? Absolutely not, except, maybe, in the case of something sudden.. Like a continent exploding, or nuclear war.

So their intent is just to protect participants from themselves, and from the fact no free market is 100% free and perfect. Is the most recent trades intentional, for example, or, woops, did someone add an extra zero or two, or "sit on the sell button"? Is someone trying to manipulate the market unfairly? Is there an unknown technical glitch? Pausing the market gives participants, and the market operators, a chance to step back and make sure everything is proceeding rationally and as intended.

Would you rather have your ideological purity and see potentially erroneous wild fluctuations then a system that might say "Okay, this is extreme, we're shutting down trading for 30 minutes, and we'll look at the data in the mean time," or however they setup the circuit breakers?

If a market really wanted to rally, or sell, it'll still do it, just slower. Oil, I recall a couple years ago, traded "limit up" for days at a time. That didn't, in the scheme of things, really slow its rise.


RE: Market limits
By DominionSeraph on 6/13/2011 5:23:21 AM , Rating: 2
+1

The value set by people getting carried away in the heat of the moment in following buying/selling trends does not reflect the real value that a rational purchaser would assign. Putting limits on the market does not take away from this rational person reevaluating things, it merely prevents the dangerously destabilizing arbitrary wealth transfer of irrational swings.


You Might...
By mmatis on 6/12/2011 10:01:34 PM , Rating: 4
want to consider gold, silver, storable food, or ammunition as having better value than Bitcoins in the present economy. All are fairly universally acceptable. None are held at the mercy of the Government as long as you have physical possession - note that The One has the "authority" to shut down the Internet for ?up to 4 months? in the event of an "emergency". Your mileage may vary, but there is MASSIVE divergence between what is officially reported and what is reality. And QE2 is ending.

Are YOU ready?




RE: You Might...
By Ringold on 6/13/2011 2:52:58 AM , Rating: 2
Thats a fair point about internet access. Internet currencies have value so long as the people with the guns and bombs let you have access to the internet. As millions in Africa and the Middle East, and the billion some in China, can attest, this access isn't guaranteed.


Math fail
By DominionSeraph on 6/13/2011 4:44:36 AM , Rating: 3
quote:
Traditionally deflation is very bad for a currency, because it means that people won't want to spend the currency because it's so "valuable". But this is largely an effect of the particular currency's limitations imposed by its smallest denomination.


This is 100% false. Denomination has nothing to do with deflation curtailing spending. The profit from holding a deflationary currency is the same percentage across denominations. Lower denominations in NO way stop the currency from being better saved than spent.

With a currency undergoing deflation, buying "now" is worse than buying later regardless of denomination because buying later gets you more for the same unit. Being able to buy a product now in .00000000001 of base does not change that that .00000000001 will be able to purchase more tomorrow.

quote:
DailyTech is a news site and its only agenda is to cover the news.


Then perhaps you should start holding yourself to some journalistic standards?




RE: Math fail
By shiftypy on 6/13/2011 7:57:11 AM , Rating: 1
Thanks for clearing that up. I am slow today and I knew there was somethign fishin in that explanation, but couldn't put my finger on it


By Suntan on 6/13/2011 1:57:02 PM , Rating: 4
Makes me want to go outside and plant some tulip bulbs…

-Suntan




Great article
By jostmey on 6/12/2011 7:48:40 PM , Rating: 2
I'm glad to see someone finally writing about bitcoins who seems to actually understand what bitcoins represent and the issues surrounding bitcoins.

Job well done!




mt Gox does charge a fee
By stonemetal on 6/12/2011 8:44:02 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
However, the major exchanges like Mt. Gox are registered to individuals outside the U.S. in many cases and, further, may not qualify as a "business" as they charge no fees and do not make money off advertising.


From their website:
quote:
Mt Gox charges a small fee (0.65%) for each trade.




Thank You
By Psyborgue on 6/12/2011 8:49:51 PM , Rating: 2
I don't know whether the MSM is ignorant or just malicious, but until this article, I haven't read anything recently that portrays Bitcoin in a technically accurate manner. Thank you for putting the truth out there when so many others seem unwilling or unable.




Bitcoins as Currency
By clone4501 on 6/12/2011 9:30:52 PM , Rating: 2
I see Bitcoin more of currency and collectible rather than like a stock. The relative ease at which it can be transferred has the behavior of a currency. On the other hand, it's built in cap on coin generation will make it behave more like a collectible (i.e., rare coins, grand master paintings, antiques, etc.). Bitcoin behaves both like a currency and collectible. The recent volatility, I believe, is due to the market trying to figure out the value of Bitcoins (they have no intrinsic value). The Bitcoin market is also very risky, as your article has mentioned, so the risk/reward premium should be quite high compared to holding cash, bonds, or equities.
The idea is technically sound, but the implementation of Bitcoin as a currency and exchange medium has a long way to go.




Nonprofit doesn't mean low margins
By sgornick on 6/12/2011 11:00:05 PM , Rating: 2
Excellent article, Jason.

Two items though.

The Mt. Gox exchange never accepted PayPal for payment under the current operator and the prior owner stopped accepting PayPal after massive fraud back in October 2010.

There was until recently another exchange, Bitcoin Market which allowed parties to trade between themselves using PayPal. Fraud there too made it so PayPal could no longer be traded.
http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=12678.0
The last to offer PayPal is VirWoX exchange. VirWoX does accept PayPal yet for purchasing L$ (Linden $s), which can then be traded for Bitcoins.

The second item is that all the Bitcoin exchanges are run as for-profit entities. If there are profits, they are distributed to the proprietor(s) of the exchange. Mt. Gox's 0.65% fee is charged to both the buyer and seller, so revenue to Mt. Gox just from the trading fees was about $200,000 over the past seven days. So there likely are profits from that.




Bitcoin.org down
By ViroMan on 6/12/2011 11:32:11 PM , Rating: 2
I wanted to see what all this talk about and what they do with the data the video cards churn out but, it seems as tho there site is down atm.




Whistle while we work...
By havoti97 on 6/13/2011 1:15:28 AM , Rating: 2
I too want to turn my ATI video card into a mining operation, churning out "money" while contributing nothing to society. Go capitalism!




Thank you
By J1880 on 6/13/2011 6:59:02 AM , Rating: 2
By far the most informative and balanced article on bitcoins which I have ever read.




I wouldn't recommend it
By bstowe9 on 6/13/2011 12:15:55 PM , Rating: 2
Looks like a scam to me.




By blooder90 on 6/14/2011 8:13:12 PM , Rating: 2
Check out this new BitCoin exchange website - https://bitcoin7.com/ - it just opened up and the rates are like two times smaller than MtGoxs'! At the moment they are even paying you when you make an exchange as part of some promotion!




THANKS!
By cathal on 6/12/2011 8:17:10 PM , Rating: 1
It's fantastic to see a non-bullshit article about Bitcoin from a group who actually seem to have bothered to inform themselves.

I'll be watching closely!




By Dave Harrison on 6/13/2011 6:28:03 AM , Rating: 1
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http://tradewithdave.com/?p=6582

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www.tradewithdave.com




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