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Counterfeit software not only an online problem

Software piracy is rampant in many parts of the world. Piracy also hurts more than the companies who produce the software that is pirated, consumers who unknowingly buy counterfeit products can suffer too.

While Microsoft recently reported that the counterfeit rate for Windows Vista was half that of Windows XP, piracy is still a problem. Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer even blamed piracy for slow initial sales of Windows Vista.

PCWorld reports today that counterfeit software is making its way into retail stores as well. Many buyers don’t consider that software bought form retail locations could be counterfeit, thinking this is only a problem with software bought online or downloaded.

According to Microsoft software counterfeiters are looking to make more than mere profits from selling fake software, they are using the counterfeit programs to steal personal information from users who install the programs.

Michael Hilliard, corporate counsel at Microsoft Canada told PCWorld, “We're starting to see pirates becoming more sophisticated in their ways as counterfeit software is now being sold off of the Internet and is available for download.”

Ken Hansen from the Royal Canadian Mounted Police says that counterfeit goods are now making its way into retail outlets because some retailers aren’t doing their due diligence when it comes to making sure goods are legitimate. Some retailers are buying software form third parties who aren’t authorized distributors.



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too funny
By tfk11 on 12/9/2007 11:42:45 PM , Rating: 2
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While Microsoft recently reported that the counterfeit rate for Windows Vista was half that of Windows XP


No doubt this is due to the fact that Vista sucks twice as much as XP.




I see where there going with this
By Lazarus Dark on 12/8/07, Rating: -1
RE: I see where there going with this
By afkrotch on 12/8/07, Rating: 0
RE: I see where there going with this
By amanojaku on 12/8/2007 12:39:53 PM , Rating: 3
There is a difference between spyware and programs that allow for the voluntary transfer of performance data. I don't want anything being sent unless I say so, and I would rather save the CPU cycles that some of these performance collectors use.

If every program collects information my computer won't perform at the level I know it's supposed to. Make this collection optional!


By Alexstarfire on 12/8/2007 6:02:11 PM , Rating: 1
That's why I have my firewall set up so that anything that attempts to connect to the internet has to have my authorization before it can do so.

Come to think of it, IE7 is the only program that I can't put on my firewall list. I can't even figure out why. I could for IE6, but not IE7. I think that just made another hole in my system. Damn Windows/Microsoft Update.


By mindless1 on 12/10/2007 10:47:16 PM , Rating: 2
No, everything does not have some form of spyware. Only a few select things do. Having an example that is an exception is not proof at all.


By BMFPitt on 12/8/2007 12:20:03 PM , Rating: 4
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In other words, "don't buy our competitors programs, they're probably spyware counterfeits! Only buy Microsoft software!"
They think they are buying Microsoft software. Perhaps you don't understand the word "counterfeit."


RE: I see where there going with this
By TomZ on 12/8/2007 12:36:27 PM , Rating: 3
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Okay, maybe not entirely. But what about the fact that Vista is chock full of spyware. On purpose. Explain that Microsoft.

The explanation is that you're an idiot. Vista has no spyware.


RE: I see where there going with this
By TomZ on 12/8/2007 2:11:50 PM , Rating: 2
OK, downraters, please explain what spyware Vista has.


By greylica on 12/8/2007 3:19:32 PM , Rating: 1
Idiot ? not entirely.
The software is idiot, reduced mode functionality can happen even if you have a legal software, only because of hardware changes. I saw it happening.
Ubuntu and Mac OS-X is better than this.
Even XP is better than this...


RE: I see where there going with this
By amanojaku on 12/8/2007 3:29:07 PM , Rating: 2
I think you were down-rated for calling him (or is it her?) an idiot. Even if Vista has spyware (which I doubt, like you) name-calling is bad.

On the other hand, if you posted links to several trusted sources declaring Vista as spyware free then you might be justified in called him (or is it her?) an idiot. :-)


RE: I see where there going with this
By theapparition on 12/8/2007 6:05:17 PM , Rating: 1
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On the other hand, if you posted links to several trusted sources declaring Vista as spyware free then you might be justified in called him (or is it her?) an idiot. :-)

He doesn't have to post links. Microsoft is unquestionably the largest and most scrutinized software vendor in the world. If there was even the "hint" of spyware in Vista, experts around the world would have picked it up before release day, word would spread to every tech site and mainstream news media organization, and over a year ago, Daily tech would have reported it. Just one look at the Sony rootkit fiasco tells you how quickly something like this becomes public knowledge.

I'm sure you know Vista doesn't have any spyware, just trying to take the "high road". But people who make riduculous statements deserve the "idiot" tag. (Although "moron" would have been more appropriate, since most idiots (IQ under 20) don't have the capability to write sentences).


By mindless1 on 12/10/2007 10:56:00 PM , Rating: 2
Then by your own standards, you might be an idiot.

http://news.softpedia.com/news/Forget-about-the-WG...

The fact is, there are experts all around the world who have picked up on it, as it happened a little more and more over time. Pull your head out of the sand and look around.

The difference between this and the Sony fiasco is that so far, MS seems not to be using information against users. You don't actually know how much info MS has harvested from your system do you? But you would be alarmed if any of it came back to bite you in the ass, right? That's the fundamental difference, you feel no loss from it happening.


RE: I see where there going with this
By GeorgeOrwell on 12/8/2007 6:26:32 PM , Rating: 2
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A report on Softpedia has revealed more than 20 different Vista features and services that harvest user data for Microsoft and (dare I say it) to the software giant's credit, it makes no secret about the fact Windows Vista is gathering information.

Whether or not the data harvesting is right, Microsoft provides both a Windows Vista Privacy Statement and there are also references to the data collection services in the End User License Agreement (PDF) that you agree to when you are installing the operating system.

However, what's disappointing is the fact that Microsoft has admitted that the list provided under the Windows Vista Privacy Statement is far from exhaustive. Indeed, Softpedia says that there are another 47 Windows Vista features and services that collect data. Not all of these phone home, but the report claims that around 50 percent of these items do contact Microsoft.

There is no indication of what actually happens to the data collected by Microsoft via Windows Vista but, based on two excerpts from the Windows Vista Privacy Statement, the software giant is in two minds as to how it'll use the data collected from your machine.

Almost right at the start of the Privacy statement, Microsoft says that it will not use the information it gathers to identify Windows Vista users, but just a couple of paragraphs further down the statement, the company reveals that it can use the data it collects against you if it wanted to, or was forced to.

You can read a full breakdown of the services Microsoft is using to collect data on end users here. Our best advice is that if you don't want your data sent to Microsoft, don't install Windows Vista.

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2007/07/03/built-in_v...
http://news.softpedia.com/news/Forget-about-the-WG...

This is just the tip of the iceberg. Microsoft has been tasked to monitor the behavior of the citizens of various governments, including US citizens.

This capability was the cornerstone of why China decided to backburner Linux and start promoting Windows. Selling spy data on citizens to governments is like selling crack to a drug addict.


RE: I see where there going with this
By TomZ on 12/8/2007 7:58:05 PM , Rating: 2
If you'll take a moment to read the article you linked, you'll realize that it does not constitute "spyware" or "malware." The purpose of those services are to provide feedback to Microsoft to improve Vista. For example, when an app crashes, you can choose to send information to Microsoft about the crash. This gets forwarded by Microsoft to the application vendor. (XP has this as well.)

By your definition, any contact the software makes with a Microsoft server is "spyware" which is silly.

Most people consider "spyware" as software that gathers data for no legitimate purpose, e.g., programs that capture keystrokes to get passwords and credit card numbers. That's a big difference than what Microsoft has in its operating systems and other programs.


By TheJian on 12/9/2007 1:23:39 PM , Rating: 2
"Almost right at the start of the Privacy statement, Microsoft says that it will not use the information it gathers to identify Windows Vista users, but just a couple of paragraphs further down the statement, the company reveals that it can use the data it collects against you if it wanted to, or was forced to."

Apparently you believe collecting information on USERS (BEHIND THEIR BACKS!) that could potentially be used against them in a court of law is OK eh? I call that SPYWARE/MALWARE! I'd call that "gathering information for no legitimate purpose" as you put it. You're acting as though they pop up a question asking if you want to pass incriminating information about you to them. That's not how this is happening. I may be picking on the incriminating stuff but that's just to make a point. Why does media player send data about every movie I watch to MS? Shouldn't you ask me if I want you to know what I watch? Personally I don't care what I do, it's NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS! For others who don't feel that way they should be able to OPT-IN and allow the sharing of info.

Your example of useful information (sending errors to MS) is NOT at issue here. I get asked about that and can deny. Also can you explain why MS refuses to tell us exactly WHAT is collected by these 47 sneaky bastard apps/services? By the way the list is NOT exaustive (according to MS there are more...ROFL). "Metadata related to the games that you have installed in Vista also finds its way to Microsoft." And what do you need to know about my gaming habits for? The list goes on and on. Here's another excerpt from their lic agreement, "Microsoft may disclose personal information about you if required to do so by law or in the good faith belief that such action is necessary to: (a) comply with the law or legal process served on Microsoft; (b) protect and defend the rights of Microsoft (including enforcement of our agreements); or (c) act in urgent circumstances to protect the personal safety of Microsoft employees, users of Microsoft software or services, or members of the public," I really hate this whole idea, let alone the "in the good faith belief" part. If you actually believe MS is out there doing the customer favors you're smoking crack. They're doing favors for whomever pays them the most (that would be mpaa/riaa types). They go whichever way the money blows. You're information will blow that way too. To believe otherwise is being completely NAIVE or just plain stupid. I don't care what they say, if they've got your information they'll find some way to abuse it (sell it, use it against you in court etc...Fill in your own abuse here...LOL). If you think service pack 1 will make things any better, look at their own statements about it. It's aimed at pirates, which means it won't fix many problems and will cause a ton more. Which also means it's just going to piss off legit users more than they already are. The pirates will beat SP1 before it's released to the public (the os is available all over the place in newsgroups/torrents etc...completely activated mind you). Why can't we just have XP v2? Drop Vista and add dx10 and Aero to XP. You can already do this with apps/hacks on the web (try topdesk for xp). They're selling us a DRM turd for these two features. Fortunately nobody is biting. Users, business, and game devs don't want it. Vista/Office runs 1/2 speed vs xp/2007 combo and gigs of ram don't change that. Games run slower. Heavy hardware req's for no performance improvement. Bad networking issues that haven't been fixed in beta SP1 releases etc. Security was proven no better by a testing lab (still need ZA etc). Help desks everywhere have support nightmares with this OS. Printer drivers are a crapshoot. The only reason why I use this OS is because as an IT support person I have to learn it (though that may end up being wasted time, as adoption is nill). Thank god for DUAL BOOTS! :)


By mindless1 on 12/10/2007 10:59:54 PM , Rating: 2
Actually no, spyware is anything the owner of the system does not wish to divulge, including anything happening that the user is not being expressly made aware of. Some blurb about what might be sent is not appropriate, rather each individual bit of data should not be transmitted until approved.

You have gone out of your way to mention the most benign of reporting, why such a biased attempt to ignore all the other reporting mechanisms? Oh yeah, because they don't support your pro-MS stance on everything.


By codeThug on 12/9/2007 2:08:33 AM , Rating: 2
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The explanation is that you're an idiot.


Here we go again. Tomz gotta get personal...

He must not have been breast fed.


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