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  (Source: AP)
Destruction of government property and alleged coverup may have violated civil rights violations deal

Many of you have read about how police unions nationwide have been pushing to ban the taxpayers who pay their salaries from being allowed to take pictures of their behavior on the job or to record their on-the job actions with video or audio recordings.  While not all departments support such efforts, some insist that logging officers’ activities interferes with their "ability to do their jobs".  
 
Some states have threatened to put citizens in prison for up to 15 years for recording police for signs of wrongdoing.  Last year in Florida a woman was allegedly brutalized for recording an on-duty cop during a traffic stop.  While courts and even U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder have stood firm against such efforts, many departments continue to defiantly back anti-accountability efforts.
 
I. LAPD -- A History of Corruption
 
Now The Los Angeles Times (The LA Times) is reporting on a series of stunning accusations that suggest that dozens or more officers with the city's police department may have been involved with damaging taxpayer funded equipment in an effort to sabotage accountability programs.
 
The claims are disturbing, but not entirely surprising.
 
The Los Angeles Police Department (LAPD) has long struggled with accusations that it was one of America's most corrupt police departments.  In March 1991 the LAPD became for many Americans the face of police brutality when the traffic stop of Rodney Glen King was caught on tape.

Rodney King beating
LAPD officers were caught on tape beating Rodney King in a famous 1991 incident.
[Image Source: AFP/Getty Images]

Four officers were put on trial, but the trial was allegedly tainted by police interference.  After all the officers were acquitted the LA residents rioted in 1992.  Subsequently a retrial was ordered and two of the officers were found guilty.  The city was also eventually ordered to pay Mr. King $3.8M USD in damages.

Under scrutiny, the LAPD pledged to reform itself.

LAPD reform
The LAPD has promised to reform itself many times. [Image Source: Wikimedia Commons]

But according to the "Shielded From Justice" investigation, a project by the Columbia University School of Journalism and the nonprofit Human Rights Watch, Mr. King's case would not be the last.  Between 1991 and 1996, the LAPD paid out $79.2M USD to citizens in pre-trial settlements and court-ordered damages -- roughly $13M USD per year.
 
Again the LAPD pledged reform.
 
Unfortunately, things don't appear to have changed much since then either.  If anything it appears the issue of civil rights violations, reckless officer behavior, and other forms officer misconduct has gotten worse by the year, even as the LAPD has fired hundreds of officers over the last decade.
 
II. The Numbers Show LA Has a Problem With Bad Cops
 
In the last quarter century, the LAPD has gone through nine police chiefs.  Many have struggled with controversies that gripped the media and their department.
 
The department is the third largest police department in the nation with a $1.4B USD budget, more than 10,000 officers, and over 2,800 civilian staffers.  In a department so large, some level of officer misconduct is a practical reality. However, the LAPD has struggled with both high profile incidents of police misconduct and simply the number of officers involved in incidents.
 
Based on the numbers, it appears up to one in ten LAPD cops may have a sustained complaint against them (a guilt finding) in the last five years.  And the city has paid roughly $16M USD a year -- nearly 0.1 percent of its budget -- in lawsuit settlements or damages. 
 
Our review of The LA Times' database shows that in 477 cases the LAPD was forced to settle or was found at fault in civil lawsuits.  Over this five-year period, the total payouts totaled $80M+ USD.  Accusations ranged from reckless driving by officers (the most civil complaint common) to more serious accusations, including trespassing, threats, false imprisonment, and civil rights offenses.
 
Our analysis of the four most recent LAPD reports made available [1, 2, 3, 4 -- PDF] shows that between Oct. 2009 and Sept. 2012 nearly 13,750 complaints were filed against the department, of which internal investigators found officers to be at fault in 1,300+ cases -- nearly 10 percent of the time.  The most common outcomes were admonishment or an official reprimand.

LAPD

Nearly 250 officers a year on average received one of these punishments on a yearly basis.  Also nearly 100 officers a year on average were suspended and nearly 50 per year on average were terminated, resigned under investigation, retired under investigation, or were removed, following a finding of guilt.

Last year was full of high profile incidents.

In Jan. 2013, for example, at least four women came forward claiming that a pair of officers had threatened and sought to force them into performing sex acts on them.  The officers -- both department veterans -- have been embroiled in an ongoing court case and may yet be fired.



Also in Mar. 2013, Kim Nguyen -- a graduate student -- was allegedly arrested by police on suspicion of public intoxication and handcuffed, according to police officers' version of events.  Ms. Nguyen fell (according to officers) out of a moving police car, resulting in brain damage, lost teeth, and other injuries.  No charges were pressed in the wake of the incident.  Slowly regaining her memory of the event, she would claim earlier this year that officers had sexually assaulted her and then thrown out of their car.
 
The city has also made some clearly earnest efforts to trim back these troubling statistics.  In 2013 it raised over $1M USD from private donors to deploy 30 "body-cameras" to record officer behavior.  The department deployed the cameras in January and said it would look to purchase 600 of the cameras for use throughout various precincts after the trial was finished.
 
III. Accusations of Multiple Forms of Sabotage of High-Tech Accountability Equipment
 
The officers already have a good deal of high tech equipment in an attempt to cut down on the rampant rates of officer abuse.  But a critical flaw in that scheme has come to light in the past few months -- police officers appear to be sabotaging and vandalizing that taxpayer funded equipment in what appears to be a concerted effort to avoid accountability monitoring.
 
In a way this sort of behavior isn't exactly surprising, given how often police unions have asserted that recording cops on the job "interferes" with their job performance.  But on the other hand it is an eye-opening accusation, considering that it involves nothing less than the destruction of government property, which is clearly a criminal act and quite likely a criminal act aimed at obfuscating other more serious criminal acts.

LAPD cop cars
Cops have been snapping the antennas off their cars in LA, in an apparent effort to cover up their actions while on duty. [Image Source: Getty Images]

The Los Angeles Police Commission -- a supervisory board that overseas the LAPD – first discovered the incidents in Feb. 2014 while they were investigating a shooting and alleged officer misconduct.  The LA Times reports, based on its discussion with LAPC commissioners:

Poor recordings during a shooting investigation drew the attention of commission members in February. They were puzzled why several cameras in cars at the scene had poor audio quality, while another had good, clear recordings. Even though the recorded conversations did not seem germane to the incident, the commissioners asked for answers about the problem.

In the field, officers' cars are equipped with video and audio recording equipment.  Officers themselves also carry body-recorders; typically part of the chest radio they use to communicate with civilian station dispatchers.  Audio from these chest recorders is relayed to the vehicle, which relays it to police facilities for storage.
 
This video is supposed to provide a key track record.  It can provide valuable evidence against criminals.  It can also be used in misconduct allegations to either exonerate cops from false accusations, or sustain accusations in cases of actual misconduct.
 
But the tool is limited by vehicle range, and moreover by the antenna the vehicle uses to extend that range.  While sabotaging the transmission device directly would likely be much more difficult and raise much more suspicions, some officers allegedly looked to interfere with the recording devices by snapping off their antennas.
 
With the antenna snapped off the range that chest-recordings could be transmitted would be reduced by up to a third, meaning that if the officers were far enough from their cars they could escape being recorded and having those recordings later used against them if they committed crimes.
 
IV. Antenna Snapping Was Common, and Almost Unquestionably Deliberate
 
Accidents might occasionally snap off the antennas, but the frequency such damage was occurring at seems to suggest many officers were regularly damaging their vehicles themselves in a purposeful anti-accountability effort.
 
The LA Times reports in a previous piece some of the LAPD's findings, writing:

An inspection by Los Angeles Police Department investigators found about half of the estimated 80 cars in one South L.A. patrol division were missing antennas, which help capture what officers say in the field. The antennas in at least 10 more cars in nearby divisions had also been removed.

....

The first sign of a problem came in early July when a Southeast supervisor noticed the cameras in a few patrol cars were missing antennas, said Cmdr. Andrew Smith, a spokesman for Beck. Vehicles are equipped with two small antennas, one for each of the officers assigned to the car.

After the supervisor's discovery, a check of the entire fleet of cars in Southeast and the other divisions in the department's South Bureau was done. With a total of about 160 antennas installed in Southeast Division vehicles, 72 had been removed, Smith said. Twenty antennas from cars in other divisions were missing as well.

Because cars in the Southeast Division had been equipped with cameras since 2010 and different shifts of officers use the same car each day, officials decided an investigation into the missing antennas would have been futile, according to Smith and Capt. Phil Tingirides, the commanding officer of the Southeast Division.

The LAPD responded by reportedly instituted pre-shift and post-shift checks of cars, and spending thousands in taxpayer money to replace the damaged antennas.  But it declined to actually try to find out which officers were involved, making the excuse that it would be "too difficult".

In other words the LAPD seemed to clearly admit that some of its officers broke laws and destroy government property, but by its accounting it would be simply "too difficult" to find out which cops committed crimes.

LAPD Police Chief
LAPD Police Chief Charlie Beck claims it would just be "too hard" for his department to figure out which of its cops committed criminal acts, vandalizing and sabotaging government property in an attempt to escape accountability. [Image Source: The LA Times]

Furthermore, it didn't bother to tell the LAPC until after irregularities in last year's recordings were noticed, why the recordings might not have been as good quality or as complete as they should have been.  Eight months passed between when the LAPD found out about the apparent criminal destruction of government property and when it briefed the accountability board.
 
LAPD Chief Charlie Beck claims the officers did nothing wrong, characterizing the failure to tell the LAPC about the incidents as "unintentional".  He comments:

The department did not try to hide this issue.

But the LAPC isn't buying that claim, given the timeline.  LAPC President Steve Soboroff blasted what he views as a coverup by the LAPD, stating:

On an issue like this, we need to be brought in right away.  This equipment is for the protection of the public and of the officers. To have people who don't like the rules to take it upon themselves to do something like this is very troubling.

While the LAPD reported that only one antenna had since been "found missing" on a vehicle in the Southeast District, the report was swiftly followed by fresh questions.

V. Allegations of Even Worse Anti-Accountability Crimes by Officers Emerge

In March 2014, after the LAPD admitted to the antenna incidents, a subsequent LAPC investigation revealed yet more serious irregularities, including possibly even more severe destruction incidents.

The LA Times, once more, does an excellent job in summarizing these audacious apparent vandalism efforts, writing:

The issue resurfaced in recent weeks when a follow-up audit by the department found more problems with the video equipment in the Southeast Division. Dozens of the transmitters worn by officers were found to be unusable because small antennas on them were either missing or broken, the audit found. The department has opened an investigation into whether officers intentionally sabotaged the devices.   

Some reports have suggested that officers may have conducted some patrols without the necessary recording equipment to hold them accountable.  Again it appears this was due to incidents of sabotage by some of the police force.

police chest recorder
Some LAPD cops allegedly purposefully lost or destroyed chest recording devices in yet another anti-accountability plot. [Image Source: Fortuna PD]

This latest investigation could prove far more serious. Without the antenna, audio may still be recorded. However, without the chest recorders, literally nothing may be recorded on some patrols.  The LAPD has not publicly stated whether officers conducted patrols without chest recorders due to the high levels of apparently purposefully damaged equipment.
 
It has also not publicly stated whether it investigated or caught any of its officers damaging the chest equipment.  But given its past stance, it seems likely that we will discover that it has once again decided that it is simply "too hard" to investigate and identify the cops committing these crimes against taxpayers.
 
This two-fold sabotage scheme is still under investigation.  The LAPC is demanding a full investigation and that the LAPD immediately try to determine which officers were involved.
 
VI. Destruction of Government Property by Cops Could Jeopardize Fresh Freedom From Federal Oversight
 
The incidents could cost the department dearly.  In 2001 the U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ) selected the department as one of seven troubled jurisdictions with an unacceptable number of internal affairs complaints regarding civil rights violations.  The LAPD gave its usual pledges of reform, and it appeared to be following through with them to some extent.
 
In May 2013, after a decade of scrutiny, a federal judge cleared the department of federal monitoring.  The order basically freed the department to self-police.

LAPD oversight ends
Last year a federal judge freed ended a decade of federal oversight over civil rights complaints against the LAPD. [Image Source: AP]

LAPC Commissioner Robert Saltzman says that fresh freedom may already be in jeopardy thanks to the LAPD's apparent coverup.  He remarks to The LA Times:

[The judge's decison to end monitoring] was made based on the clear and crucial understanding that this commission would provide the civilian oversight necessary to ensure…the Department engages in constitutional policing.  The commission's ability to provide effective civilian oversight depends on the Department's full and prompt communication with us regarding serious issues such as this one.

In other words, the LAPD's headaches -- deserved as they may be -- may have just begun.

For those interested in more reading, the LA County Sheriffs have also been embroiled in an ongoing federal investigation over sky-high levels of civil rights violations.  The investigation found particularly high levels of claims that County Sheriffs abused inmates, sometimes in a manner that appeared racially motivated.

LA County Sheriffs
LA County Sheriffs are also facing growing scrutiny. [Image Source: Jametiks / Flickr]

That federal investigation has led to multiple firings, and the Sept. 2013 appointment of a federal monitor, a development that juxtaposed against the LAPD finally being cleared of monitoring months prior.

Sources: The LA Times [1], [2]



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well now!
By chromal on 4/9/2014 11:35:37 PM , Rating: 4
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?




RE: well now!
By Jeffk464 on 4/10/2014 12:25:23 AM , Rating: 3
Cops in Southern California are down right dangerous, nothing new here.


RE: well now!
By mmatis on 4/10/2014 8:56:29 AM , Rating: 4
It ain't just "Southern Californina", Binky! The Blue Wall acts this way in every state across this entire country. Yes, there are some SMALL number of "Law Enforcement" agencies who still act honorably, but overall they have earned the term "pigs". A good site that documents their corruption is PhotographyIsNotACrime.com, run by Carlos Miller out of South Florida. As such, it is Florida-centric, but he has numerous reports from across the country as well.

The stench is overwhelming. And it smells like pig.

And by the way, that stench comes not only from the Blue Wall, but from the "Legal" system as well, where multiple judges have refused to allow citizen-recorded video evidence to be presented.


RE: well now!
By Reclaimer77 on 4/10/2014 1:10:10 PM , Rating: 2
I seriously think we should just wall off Los Angeles from the rest of the country. I mean really, it's gotten THAT bad. I wouldn't set foot in it, unless I actually wanted to be killed by roving gangs of minorities that is.

You couldn't pay me a billion dollars to be a police officer there. It's just not worth the money or effort.

Save the country, and perhaps the world. Put Los Angeles in a box. Now!


RE: well now!
By room200 on 4/10/14, Rating: 0
RE: well now!
By GotThumbs on 4/14/2014 5:55:27 PM , Rating: 3
Who needs the LAPD anyway?

Let the law abiding citizens of LA/California police themselves.

We all know that Rodney King was such a great guy and that he didn't throw a female officer during this drug induced maylay.

Of course we don't know why Rodney King chose to get out of the car and do what he did, when his two passenger chose to follow police instructions and were led away without any event. Maybe it was all the alcohol in his body at the time.
quote:
King would later admit he attempted to outrun the police at dangerously high speeds because a charge of driving under the influence would violate his parole for a previous robbery conviction'


In the end, Karma for RK.


RE: well now!
By euclidean on 4/11/2014 9:07:05 AM , Rating: 2
Hey! Don't leave Detroit out! ;D

Signed,
-A Michigander


RE: well now!
By Ammohunt on 4/10/2014 1:44:35 PM , Rating: 1
tell me in your mind s there such a thing as a good cop? Its a thankless shitty job they do dealing daily with the human refuse of our society i for one am glad their are people willing to do the job.


RE: well now!
By Grast5150 on 4/10/2014 2:08:39 PM , Rating: 2
Exactly..... The average citizen will never have any interaction with a police officer except for a traffic violation or taking a stolen item report.

The majority of a police officers time is dealing with absolute dreggs of our society. People that have so little self control or abiility to solve their own problems, the default response to anything is violence.

The daily impact of being surrounded by severe levels of violence make me surprised that not more police officers kicking someone's ass does not occur.

I like the saying; "If you do not like how the policy do their job, do not call them when your neighbor plays loud music."

later...


RE: well now!
By Ammohunt on 4/10/2014 3:04:03 PM , Rating: 2
I am always suspect of people that either hate cops or badmouth cops. My Uncle hates cops...he is also an alcoholic with at least a dozen DUI's in various states under his belt he also manslaughtered his friend while drunk and served time twice for DUI's go figure.


RE: well now!
By chromal on 4/10/2014 4:12:40 PM , Rating: 2
Not all cops are honest. _Most_ in my experience are professional, a few are hotheads. The older the cop, the less likely they are the problem.


RE: well now!
By JasonMick (blog) on 4/10/2014 6:00:51 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
I am always suspect of people that either hate cops or badmouth cops. My Uncle hates cops...he is also an alcoholic with at least a dozen DUI's in various states under his belt he also manslaughtered his friend while drunk and served time twice for DUI's go figure.
There's a big difference between "hating cops" and opposing cops that are criminals.

I've never had any "legal trouble" in my life aside from a speeding ticket now and then, but I find criminal behavior by police disgusting and an insult to the people that made this country. For cops doing their jobs, I have great respect, but for cops committing crimes, you're the lowest kind of scum. People TRUST YOU and you're betraying them.

Quit your whitewashing ammohunt and left-handed defenses of clearly criminal acts.

Do you not agree that cops that destroy government property to avoid accountability deserved to be fired, at a minimum, and possibly face fines and charges as well??

Or would you rather we cast a blind eye and let criminals join law enforcement agencies?


RE: well now!
By Ammohunt on 4/10/14, Rating: -1
RE: well now!
By Fritzr on 4/11/2014 12:42:00 PM , Rating: 2
There is a common question that police & supporters love. It is: "If you have nothing to hide why won't you let us search?"

Okay, now we extend the target population. If the police have nothing to hide, why are they scared?

Police video of that nasty civilian can be used in court to protect the officer. Since the officer would never be so stupid as to commit a crime, why is the officer scared of being protected from vindictive civilians?


RE: well now!
By Reclaimer77 on 4/11/2014 4:35:02 PM , Rating: 2
Ammohunt is also the guy who thinks what the NSA is doing is no big deal, and you're an idiot if you question it.

His head is planted firmly up the ass of Big Government.


RE: well now!
By Ammohunt on 4/14/2014 6:36:45 PM , Rating: 1
Never said or implied i condone what the NSA is alleged to be doing. You just get lost when free thinkers post and the conversation goes beyond the emotional knee jerk "fuck em all" line of dialog.

I know quite well how the Libertarian Anarchists feel about the Law going as far as giving classes on the topic of "how to kill cops" at their rallies. You can't have anarchy with people willing to enforce the law. Bring back the stone age! vote libertarian!


RE: well now!
By someguy123 on 4/12/2014 12:08:24 AM , Rating: 1
You're out of your mind. When was the last time a cop was actually jailed for a split second decision? Those monitoring devices exist to capture any DELIBERATE lawbreaking by officers. There's no court in the US that would ever convict a cop for making a bad call in the heat of the moment.

Hell, its hard enough to get a cop jailed even with undeniable proof.


RE: well now!
By Ammohunt on 4/14/2014 6:42:17 PM , Rating: 2
Those devices were put in place for the safety of officers. Now they have become tools to micromanage. You think criminal cops are stupid? you think they would be overt about any crimes they commit? Cops are not above the law no one knows this more than the cop themselves they take great pains to make sure no mistakes are made because any misstep can mean the scumbag they took off the street walks on a technicality. Being antagonistic to law enforcement serves no purpose at all unless of course you are a criminal?


RE: well now!
By FaaR on 4/10/2014 11:30:19 PM , Rating: 1
Or rather, do not call them when your home is being invaded, your daughter is being raped, your business being burglarized, you yourself getting beaten and robbed.

If you hate cops so much, what would you think society would be like without them?

...Ah. Because carrying guns would just fix everything, right? RIGHT. Well that's a laff, for sure!


RE: well now!
By tng on 4/11/2014 8:07:33 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
...Ah. Because carrying guns would just fix everything, right?
...It would fix allot of things, but not corrupt police.


RE: well now!
By Brockway on 4/14/2014 12:14:00 PM , Rating: 2
... if the police got corrupt enough, and people decided enough was enough, I think it would solve that too.


RE: well now!
By tng on 4/14/2014 2:08:37 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah, but at that point it is just anarchy out there and we would probably have allot more to worry about than just the cops.


RE: well now!
By Piiman on 4/12/2014 10:08:07 AM , Rating: 2
"Or rather, do not call them when your home is being invaded, your daughter is being raped, your business being burglarized, you yourself getting beaten and robbed."

well you may want to think twice before you call them

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/los-angeles-police-adm...


RE: well now!
By conq on 4/14/2014 9:03:46 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Exactly..... The average citizen will never have any interaction with a police officer except for a traffic violation or taking a stolen item report.

"Never" is a dirty word, please don't resort to misusing for the sake of making a point. It's incorrect and screams ignorance, instead you should construct an actual persuasive argument backed up my valid arguments. Many average citizens get into trouble and/or need help everyday. Trust me, in those moments you don't want to be someone dealing with a crooked cop.

That being said I live in a suburb that has a mostly upstanding police force. If I were ever in the city, I'd think twice about ever interacting with the police there. This is commonly accepted advice in the area I live and which is why I will never move back into the city. I've also had personal experience too, unfortunately. It only takes a small group of bad cop to ruin the reputation of the whole department.


RE: well now!
By mmatis on 4/11/2014 8:57:38 AM , Rating: 1
Every one of your shit-sucking, lying maggot pigs swore an oath to the Constitution before they pinned on that GD badge. That oath is the SOLE source of their authority, yet NOT EVEN ONE of your hive pigs will honor it.

Yes, there ARE some good cops in this country. But they only exist in the SMALLEST of agencies, far removed from the nearest hive. And simply because an agency is small does NOT mean its officers are "good cops", because there are plenty of corrupt pigs in the small agencies as well.

What's really entertaining is when people start calling pigs such as this swill "Barney Fifes", as if Officer Fife conducted himself as this swill does. Barney would NEVER have pumped 7 rounds into the back of an unarmed man lying face down on the ground and then claimed he "feared for his life". Nor would he have stood by silently as one of his Brothers in Blue did so. The stench is overwhelming. And it smells like pig.


RE: well now!
By Piiman on 4/12/2014 10:10:51 AM , Rating: 2
"What's really entertaining is when people start calling pigs such as this swill "Barney Fifes", as if Officer Fife conducted himself as this swill does. Barney would NEVER have pumped 7 rounds into the back of an unarmed man lying face down on the ground and then claimed he "feared for his life"

Well Barney only had one bullet. Maybe Andy knew something we didn't.


RE: well now!
By invidious on 4/11/2014 1:30:51 PM , Rating: 1
My boss never thanks me for my work. If their pay isn't sufficient thanks then should quit. Shitting on the public and the bill of rights is not acceptable.

And yes of course this only applies to a small percentage of cops, but there should be zero tollerance in law enforcement for this behavior, not extra tollerance.


RE: well now!
By GotThumbs on 4/14/2014 5:57:46 PM , Rating: 2
You speak the truth.

Unless you've ridden along with the Police, you have no clue the level of scum the deal with on an hourly basis.


RE: well now!
By king_charles on 4/11/2014 1:50:44 PM , Rating: 2
Didn't take long for them to prove how true this is: on Monday LA County Sheriffs shot two men fleeing from an attacker who had stabbed them, killing one of the men. The best part is that the cops realized that one of the men was a victim, but still managed to shoot him.


RE: well now!
By inperfectdarkness on 4/10/2014 3:52:28 AM , Rating: 2
You don't seem to hear this level of consternation in the UK...where there are literally cameras EVERYWHERE. Methinks the cops doth protest too much.


RE: well now!
By marvdmartian on 4/10/2014 7:19:09 AM , Rating: 2
Might explain, too, why some cops are so against private citizens photographing & videoing them on the job. Take away any chance of being caught, and someone on a power trip will take advantage of it.


RE: well now!
By Ammohunt on 4/10/2014 6:56:04 PM , Rating: 2
So let me get this straight you are arguing the case for an Orwellian society?


RE: well now!
By FaaR on 4/10/2014 11:35:00 PM , Rating: 2
Cops carrying audio recorders is not the same as having an orwellian society.


RE: well now!
By ritualm on 4/12/2014 6:00:32 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
So let me get this straight you are arguing the case for an Orwellian society?

More like you're arguing in favor of an Orwellian society, what with your fundamentally flawed "why worry if you have nothing to hide?" drivel.

Not surprisingly, you held the exact same position when it came to NSA's spy scandal last year.

Now go back under the bridge.


Christopher Dorner
By Philippine Mango on 4/10/2014 2:01:23 AM , Rating: 4
Christopher Dorner was right!




RE: Christopher Dorner
By JasonMick (blog) on 4/10/2014 3:46:36 AM , Rating: 5
quote:
Christopher Dorner was right!
I wouldn't go that far... for readers who don't know what he's referring to, Dorner was a modestly decorated cop who joined the LAPD in 2005, before a falling out in 2008. Dorner had been patrolling with a fellow officer who was promoted and would give him a negative performance review a couple weeks later. He would go on to file a report claiming that officer -- a female cop by the name Sgt. Teresa Evans -- had beaten a mentally ill man during a patrol weeks ago.

What happened next will forever be the topic of controversy. Investigators concluded that there was some evidence that what Dorner was saying was true, but that some details of his story were erroneous and didn't seem to add up. He was subsequently accused of filing a false police report was fired in 2008.

Between 2008 and 2010 he tried to appeal exhaustively to his legal rights with the goal of being reinstated. The courts ultimately delivered a very controversial ruling that even if the report was true (not that they were saying it was, but they admitted there was some evidence), the LAPD could still terminate him if it felt the report was false.

The fired officer would also allege in filings that Thaniya Sungruenyos -- apparently a fellow officer who he had dated -- had tried to hack into his bank account.

Dorner snapped, and on Feb. 1 shot the daughter of the officer who had represented him during the dismissal proceedings and her fiancee. Apparently he felt the woman's father had wronged him by poorly representing him.

Three days later Dorner published his "manifesto" which is quite an interesting read...

https://sites.google.com/site/christopherjdorner/h...

...in it Dorner offers some fascinating details, recalling unproven accounts of officers using pro-N@zi slogans to attack children/grandchildren of concentration camp survivors who were serving as officers on the force, for example.

He also said some rather interesting internal rumors, for example... note the destruction of accountability equipment in the southern districts and now compare that with what Dorner wrote...
quote:
Those Caucasian officers who join South Bureau divisions (77th,SW,SE, an Harbor) with the sole intent to victimize minorities who are uneducated, and unaware of criminal law, civil law, and civil rights. You prefer the South bureau because a use of force/deadly force is likely and the individual you use UOF on will likely not report it. You are a high value target.
That said, for whatever redeeming merit or interesting insight Dorner had in his manifesto, he definitely overshadowed it with pure insanity.

He was an avid gun owner, yet demonized fellow supporters of the second amendment blaming them for incidents like the Sandy Hook shooting. He wrote...
quote:
who needs a freaking SBR AR15? No one. No more Virginia Tech, Columbine HS, Wisconsin temple, Aurora theatre, Portland malls, Tucson rally, Newtown Sandy Hook. Whether by executive order or thru a bi-partisan congress an assault weapons ban needs to be re-instituted. Period!!!
Depending on your view he was either a hypocrite who nonetheless strengthened his own argument for gun control by adding another act of mass violence to the list. Or based on the fact that he was a former cop himself, you could also make perhaps an even more compelling argument that entrusting guns solely to a law enforcement elite that included officers such as himself was a rather dangerous path.

What really struck me as most bizarre other than the gun hypocrisy was Dorner's politics. In his manifesto he gushes about former President George W. Bush whom he apparently admired greatly. At the same time he also expressed great praise for President Obama as well. And he writes...
quote:
Hillary Clinton. You’ll make one h-ll of a president in 2016. Much like your husband, Bill, you will be one of the greatest. Look at Castro in San Antonio as a running mate or possible secretary of state. He’s (good people) and I have faith and confidence in him. Look after Bill. He was always my favorite President. Chelsea grew up to be one h-ll of an attractive woman. No disrespect to her husband.
Gov. Chris Christie. What can I say? You’re the only person I would like to see in the White House in 2016 other than Hillary. You’re America’s no s--t taking uncle. Do one thing for your wife, kids, and supporters. Start walking at night and eat a little less, not a lot less, just a little. We want to see you around for a long time. Your leadership is greatly needed.
Now at the risk of getting political this shows how delusional Dorner was getting.

You won't find bigger sellouts to special interests than the last two presidents. And Hillary Clinton and Christie alike have both had nasty and questionable careers, in which they were each implicated in highly questionable incidents.

At the end of the day, all that is immaterial though. What is most important is that Dorner did not shoot and kill a single LAPD officer. Instead he killed the innocent child of one officer in a revenge murder and a pair of officers that weren't even in the LAPD -- one in Riverside and one in San Bernandino. (He did shoot at least one LAPD cop, grazing his head, but that cop escaped with minor injuries.)

Clearly, Dorner's outrage and criticism which critics of the LAPD might be tempted to find appealing on some level had devolved into an indiscriminate hate crime spree involving a series of killings and carjackings against who in most cases were very vaguely connected to the LAPD at best. This was a quest almost as insane as his political ramblings. In perhaps a momement of lucidity he rambled...
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If possible, I want my brain preserved for science/research to study the effects of severe depression on an individual’s brain. Since 6/26/08 when I was relieved of duty and 1/2/09 when I was terminated I have been afflicted with severe depression. I’ve had two CT scans during my lifetime that are in my medical record at Kaiser Permanente. Both are from concussions resulting from playing football. The first one was in high school, 10/96. The second was in college and occurred in 10/99. Both were conducted at Kaiser Permanente hospitals in LA/Orange county. These two CT scans should give a good baseline for my brain activity before severe depression began in late 2008.
I think even Dorner knew deep down that he had lost it...

...whether it was brain damage, circumstantial depression, or whatever else, he clearly had gone raving mad.


RE: Christopher Dorner
By JasonMick (blog) on 4/10/2014 3:47:56 AM , Rating: 4
(cont'd)

At the same time he was still an officer who had spent three years inside the LAPD and thus had a lot of interesting information (and dirt) to share about fellow officers.

Ultimately Dorner shot himself during a final standoff, saving the state from more carnage. As with all those die young and crazy his words have been analyzed and overanalyzed.

I'm not saying it's a bad thing to read what he wrote... I in fact link it above, so clearly I think it's worthwhile to be aware of such things. However, I feels strongly that the key in translating Dorner's ranting manifesto is to excerpt these bits of potentially interesting allegations, taken with the grain of salt in the sense that they come from the mind of a mad man.

I wouldn't say "Dorner was right". On the vast majority of things he seemed very wrong, and I think most here would agree with me on that... but at the same time he does offer a handful of interesting claims worthy of more examination.

In other words Dorner may well have been right now and then in his rant and the tragedy that ensued, but if anything that just goes to show that even a madman gets it right now and then.

A more important side note is that during the manhunt for Dorner, California police in several jurisdictions, including the LAPD engaged in questionable acts, including shooting at cars without proper identification, ramming citizens cars, and random arrests. These acts led to three people being seriously injured and likely at least several more being falsely imprisoned.

In all of these cases cops mistook the victims for Dorner and went in guns ablazing, looking to shoot first and ask questions later.

Fortunately no one was killed, but people were seriously wounded which is arguably only a few steps removed from Dorner's own actions in criminality. Much like Dorner, these cops clearly felt justified in taking the law into their own hands with violent disregard for the public law and human life.

In that regard Dorner's style of thinking...
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I am here to change and make policy...I am here to correct and calibrate your morale compasses to true north....Suppressing the truth will leave to deadly consequences for you and your family.....Look your wives/husbands and surviving children directly in the face and tell them the truth as to why your children are dead...You will now live the life of the prey.
...was the real problem, one that is relatively endemic in the nation's worst law enforcement agencies. When cops begin to view themselves as above the law, as "armies of one" responsible in their minds for ruthlessly enforcing their vision of reality and justice, they become criminals and betray the public they pledge to defend. Dorner saw that to some extent, but ultimately he be became a hypocrite, falling into that same trap of arrogance himself.

They say man often becomes what he hates, because hatred begets hatred. This is certainly the case in Droner's tragic tale...

As for the departments, including the LAPD, involved with wounding citizens during the manhunt, they still have a lot of questions to answer for these incidents.


RE: Christopher Dorner
By Jeffk464 on 4/10/2014 10:12:41 AM , Rating: 2
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As for the departments, including the LAPD, involved with wounding citizens during the manhunt, they still have a lot of questions to answer for these incidents.


Nope LAPD already decided the officers involved will not be disciplined.


RE: Christopher Dorner
By MozeeToby on 4/10/2014 12:55:39 PM , Rating: 2
Realistically the problem was too widespread to be dealt with via punishment of those involved. There's also some question about who disabled the systems and when, since they weren't being monitored it could have happened at any point since they were installed making finding the guilty party more difficult.

What they did instead is what they should have done from the beginning. Add a check of the system to the pre-patrol checklist, have a punishment system set up for those that don't follow the checklist. Verify that the checklist is performed with random unannounced audits.

A) Daily check means even if a different officer breaks the equipment it will be found and reported immediately.
B) It shifts it from "we don't trust you to not be corrupt" into "we don't trust you to follow procedure" which is a much less aggressive statement.
C) It works, since they started doing this there's been only a single antennae found to be non-functional, compared to 60%+ before.


RE: Christopher Dorner
By Jeffk464 on 4/10/2014 11:41:05 PM , Rating: 2
Well if it works I guess you can't complain.


RE: Christopher Dorner
By Piiman on 4/12/2014 10:21:18 AM , Rating: 2
He was referring to the people the LAPD shot up while looking for Doner. They know who they were and there aren't that many. They were so eager to kill Doner they almost killed several innocent civilians based only on the cars they were driving.


RE: Christopher Dorner
By Reclaimer77 on 4/10/2014 1:00:04 PM , Rating: 1
The guy tried to do the right thing, and had his entire life destroyed. He just snapped. There's no evidence he was a "mad man" before the LAPD witch hunt on him.

They say you never cross the "Blue line" and rat on other cops, even if it's the right thing to do. Now we see why.


By jRaskell on 4/10/2014 10:46:58 AM , Rating: 2
Please show specifically where this article even remotely condemns polices officers as a whole? I didn't see it, didn't see anything close to it.

Even if only 1 out of 100 officers is corrupt, that still justifies increased oversight and monitoring. It most definitely justifies individuals recording interactions with officers for their own protection.

Honestly, your own post was far more bigoted and biased than anything I've read from Mick.


By Creig on 4/11/2014 7:54:21 AM , Rating: 2
This is the Daily TECH website. Is this an article regarding technological advances used by police departments? No. It's his own personal crusade against law enforcement. If he wants to spout drivel like this, he can submit these types of articles to the National Enquirer where they'll fit right in.

Unless you believe that antennas getting snapped off make for an interesting tech read. Which I certainly don't.


By Spookster on 4/11/2014 1:41:45 PM , Rating: 2
He has a bunch of a little conspiracy nutjobs that just loves the crap he posts. Even the other real journalists who post tech articles here can't stand him anymore.


By ritualm on 4/12/2014 6:11:39 PM , Rating: 2
Such as "Master Kenobi", the DT blogger and US Army sergeant who claims that breaking your sworn oath of the US Constitution is justified in the name of national security?

I don't take kindly to spazs who dare think security always trumps rights.


By Spookster on 4/13/2014 8:43:48 PM , Rating: 2
Oh look one of Micks knob slobbers.


By mmatis on 4/12/2014 8:05:57 PM , Rating: 2
God damn your filthy maggot pigs to hell where they belong.


By Jeffk464 on 4/10/2014 12:17:06 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
The fact is, the overwhelming majority of police officers out there are good people trying to make our country a better -


My tiny local police department had an incident this year where a local officer killed his wife and daughter. I think this might be the only murders so far in the city.


By Jeffk464 on 4/10/2014 12:20:55 PM , Rating: 4
The fact is you should never ever trust the cop you are dealing with because you do not know if they are a good cop or a bad cop.


By Piiman on 4/12/2014 10:25:25 AM , Rating: 2
"Jason, if you ever have an emergency, or have an intruder in your house, or are ever assaulted, or have items stolen, I hope you will have the decency to man up and handle it yourself instead of dialing 911 and waiting for the corrupt, abusive, reckless men and women in the black and white cars to show up and save your sorry ass."

So we should just ignore their law breaking just in case they are needed someday? How stupid are you?

Personally if I call the cops, and I try not to,I don't want a corrupt cop showing up.


By Jeffk464 on 4/12/2014 5:24:46 PM , Rating: 2
Uhuh, and how often does this happen. Normally cops are called out after the fact or to settle disputes between people that no each other. How often do cops arrive in the nick of time to save you from someone braking into your house, or carjacking you, or kidnapping you, etc.


Yeah, right...
By Zak on 4/11/2014 3:52:31 PM , Rating: 2
99% of the cops give the rest a bad name.




RE: Yeah, right...
By mmatis on 4/12/2014 10:00:44 AM , Rating: 2
Well said. If there were ANY "good cops" in the entire LAPD pig sty, this swill would be long gone. Instead, the so-called "good cops" look the other way as their Brothers in Blue pull this shi+. That barrel is rotten to its very core. Along with every other hive pig sty across this country. And add in the FedPigs as well, where the FBI agent who murdered that man in Orlando last fall and then lied about it will NOT be charged.


Give them a choice.
By puter_geek_00 on 4/10/2014 3:44:49 PM , Rating: 2
LAPC should give them a choice. Let us record you(and stop breaking sh!t) or let the public record you. Choose at your own peril....




By Cannyone on 4/15/2014 12:09:57 AM , Rating: 2
Here in Albuquerque, NM, the Cops just like to shoot people for little to no reason. Its really a serious issue. And I wouldn't be surprised to see them shoot someone for capturing video of them shooting someone else.




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