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Embattled ISP fires another volley at the FCC

The FCC’s August 1 “Data Discrimination” ruling against Comcast Corp. came under fire Thursday, after the Philadelphia-based nationwide ISP filed appeals to a U.S. District Court.

In its suit, Comcast accuses the FCC of overstepping its authority when it issued a formal cease-and-desist order against the company’s policy of interfering with subscribers’ BitTorrent traffic last month.

Comcast characterizes its policy – since nicknamed “data discrimination” by observers – as necessary in order to protect its infrastructure from being overwhelmed with traffic.

When it was discovered in October 2007, Comcast’s “data discrimination” policy targeted a number of P2P protocols – most notably BitTorrent – and actively inserted fake disconnect requests with forged return addresses.

While the suit recognizes the FCC’s authority in governing ISPs’ actions, it says that it has not enacted any “enforceable rules or standards” over the way internet providers manage their networks.

FCC chairman Kevin Martin said he was “disappointed” with the appeal, noting that there are still a number of unanswered questions regarding how the company manages its network.

“The commission needs to understand the answers,” he said. “Perhaps more importantly, Comcast's subscribers deserve to know the answers.”

In a statement justifying his August 1 ruling, Martin characterized Comcast’s policy as akin to “opening your mail, decided they didn’t want to bother delivering it, and hiding that fact by sending it back to you stamped ‘address unknown – return to sender’.” The ruling enjoined Comcast to cease the practice – something it already committed to doing on its own, earlier this year – and describe the exact nature of the techniques it uses to manage traffic on its network.

In its response to the August 1 ruling, Comcast accused the FCC of being “deeply divided” in its decision, and disagrees with Comcast’s contentions that its network management practices were “reasonable”.

The company’s policy shift, from “data discrimination” to its just-announced 250 GB usage cap, is seen as a direct response to continuing FCC pressure. As part of this new initiative, which it dubbed “fair share,” Comcast will actively and temporarily throttle service for customers hogging the network.

Comcast is the second-largest ISP in the country, maintaining a 15% market share and trailing rival SBC by less approximately 300,000 subscribers.



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great work FCC
By someguy123 on 9/5/2008 11:59:50 PM , Rating: 5
I'm surprised at how adamant the FCC is about this issue, and I applaud their efforts to enforce this decision. I do understand that comcast's networks are dragged down heavily due to a very small percentage of people, but the only reason this is even an issue is due to their own poor business practices.

comcast should have enacted a limit from the beginning if they couldn't support a few people saturating the lines. the way they handled this situation was incredibly underhanded, if not downright illegal.




RE: great work FCC
By daftrok on 9/6/2008 12:50:54 AM , Rating: 3
Makes me glad I have Cox (hehe). Not only is there no data cap, but if you are doing large downloads and are surrounded by an area of low traffic, they POWERBOOST your connection so you can get the download done faster. Pure genius.


RE: great work FCC
By GaryJohnson on 9/6/2008 1:23:52 AM , Rating: 1
Comcast has 'powerboost' too, in fact they actually had it before Cox did:
quote:
December 20, 2006...Cox Communications announced availability of PowerBoost...Comcast first introduced this to its customers last summer.

http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Cox+High+Speed+Inter...

And why does everyone keep calling this a cap?
quote:
Subscribers who exceed their quota "may be contacted by Comcast to notify them of excessive use."

http://www.dailytech.com/Comcast+Sets+Data+Cap+at+...

To me a 'cap' would be some limit that they shut you off at, but it sounds like all they'll do is send you an angry letter.


RE: great work FCC
By rudolphna on 9/6/2008 1:12:29 PM , Rating: 2
yeah, but they have shut people off for excessive usage.


RE: great work FCC
By TBottch on 9/6/2008 2:38:46 PM , Rating: 2
I have cox too and I am fairly certain my torrents are being throttled as my download speeds have dropped significantly lately. Makes downloading linux distros a huge chore. I have run the glasnost test and it didn't find any isp manipulation but my download speeds have gone from the multiple hundreds to the tens. Not only that but they are dropping cable channels left and right. I think it may be time to go isp shopping. Unfortunatly, there are no decent alternatives here.


RE: great work FCC
By realmp06 on 9/7/2008 8:18:14 AM , Rating: 2
I have Cox Communications as well, they keep on improving their network so we do not have to worry about data caps! How in the world do you think people will be able to keep that cap with the advent of this new digital revolution where everything from music, high definition movies, TV shows, and video games are downloadable? The next Xbox you'll be able to download video games! And with more peoople going online instead to stores to buy movies, I think this move by Comcast is very irrsponsible. If they can't manage to keep their networks up to speed, then they shouldn't even be considered in ISP provider.


RE: great work FCC
By The0ne on 9/7/2008 3:17:24 PM , Rating: 2
Cox is not different than Comcast in capping your download/upload, at least here in the San Diego area. I got a call from Cox saying I was downloading too much (~30gig) and was told to stop. They also told me I would be monitor. So I canceled the connection and went with Time Warner. Maybe you have a better Cox service where you are.

Having said that though, Cox connections is much better than Time Warner. Time Warner has many many issues with all their connections. It's sad really.


RE: great work FCC
By LyCannon on 9/6/2008 1:37:53 AM , Rating: 5
quote:
comcast should have enacted a limit from the beginning if they couldn't support a few people saturating the lines


Or heaven forbid, they upgrade their lines so their infrastructure matches the fact that they are the U.S.'s 2nd largest ISP.

But instead of spending millions on infrastructure, they instead spend (presumably) millions on lawyer fees and hardware/software to filter traffic. That's capitalism for you!!!


RE: great work FCC
By zombiexl on 9/6/2008 7:03:49 AM , Rating: 2
My guess is that it would cost billions to upgrade the infrastructure. They are still dealing with replacing lines in a good chunk of the Adelphia area's they acquired.

Hell, I'm just starting to see line upgrades when I moved to last year. It had been an Adelphia area and the lines were complete crap (although most of my neighbors have DSL or dial-up so i receive fast speeds, but QoS isn't great).

Not to mention the cable system upgrades they need to make to compete with satellite better. Like whole-home DVR, etc. Also replacing these crappy SA boxes with the Motorola one's.


RE: great work FCC
By Lord 666 on 9/6/2008 11:48:02 AM , Rating: 2
Portions of Adelphia were and still are more advanced than Comcast areas. In 1997, Adelphia completed fiber to the curb in Toms River and parts of Ocean County, NJ. Eleven years later, Verizon nor Comcast have agressively invested in migrating to fiber in all areas. Verizon has only focused on towns were they assume will be the most profitable with FiOS, which is just thinly veiled discrimination.


RE: great work FCC
By Regs on 9/6/2008 12:11:01 PM , Rating: 2
Why do people keep demonizing ISP services? There are no short term answers on fixing the network to catch up to competitors in other developing nations. Japan for instance, established many regulations that took years for their communication company's to build up and our networks are considerably older.

ISP's will not spend millions on new infrastructure, they will have to spend billions (like FIOS) and most of those billions will come from loans (debt). The amount of money that they will have to shell out for that 1% just so the other potential 99% percent don't have to suffer is a steep price.

It is only a matter of time before they have too shell out the big bucks to upgrade our aging network, I agree. But these shallow remarks about "just simply upgrading" is easier said than done.


RE: great work FCC
By StevoLincolnite on 9/6/2008 6:15:47 PM , Rating: 3
And I quote:
quote:
Today, Federal Labor has taken an historic decision to build a world class national broadband network. We believe this is a critical step when it comes to Australia’s long-term economic future. We’re proposing to invest up to $4.7 billion in this proposal in a partnership with the private sector for it to be constructed over a five year period which will deliver for 98 per cent of Australians, a broadband service which is up to 40 times faster than they currently enjoy.


Now if the Aussie's Government can do it, surely the American Government could help "Upgrade" your nations Broadband networks? - And then once the building is completed, they can "Lease" the bandwidth to ISP's or even sell parts of the network, and get there money back or make a profit, which in turn could be spent on other projects. The apparently increase of the new network should be around 6mbps, which isn't exactly stingy when some people can enjoy 20mbps speeds.


RE: great work FCC
By borismkv on 9/6/2008 8:30:52 PM , Rating: 3
If I recall correctly, the US passed a similar act several years ago. The ISPs ended up pocketing the cash instead of upgrading.


RE: great work FCC
By StevoLincolnite on 9/7/2008 2:04:58 AM , Rating: 2
That's why the Government should build the network, not leave it in an ISP's hands, then sell parts of the networks to the highest bidder.


RE: great work FCC
By walk2k on 9/6/2008 1:12:50 PM , Rating: 3
Wrong! They HAVE been upgrading the infastructure CONSTANTLY. When Comcast took over we had 1.5mb internet, and no HDTV, no VOD. Now we have 6mbit standard and 16mbit premium service, along with HDTV, VOD, DVR etc... They are upgrading.

Nevermind the fact that even if they upgraded the service to 100 GIGABITS people would STILL try to hog it all for themselves. They would STILL need to do some kind of traffic management for those heavy users, so the point is totally moot.


RE: great work FCC
By CascadingDarkness on 9/9/2008 1:00:59 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
100 GIGABITS people would STILL try to hog it all for themselves.

I call shenanigans on that. Few 'people' could find things to use that much bandwidth for an extended period.

Most likely anyone that is either should be no a business plan or they're a spammer and should be killed.


RE: great work FCC
By walk2k on 9/6/2008 1:06:00 PM , Rating: 1
COMCAST HAS ALWAYS HAD LIMITS!

Go to dslreports.com and check the Comcast forum, several reports of people being throttled and even disconnected for exeeding their bandwidth limits.

The only change to their policy is now they actually tell you what that limit is, which is a GOOD THING. Before it was a "secret".

Also the email analogy is completely wrong. THEY DO NOT AND NEVER DID OPEN YOUR EMAIL!! My god people are so guilible. The p2p throttling had nothing to do with email! It was only throttling heavy users of (99% illegal) p2p file sharing.


RE: great work FCC
By twhittet on 9/6/2008 2:35:22 PM , Rating: 3
The analogy was spot on! And the analogy was to mail (unless the post has been edited since then). Comcast looks at your packets, decides it doesn't want to deliver them, and sends a disconnect back. If the US post office opened my playboy, decided it did not want to deliver it, and then sent playboy a letter saying I no longer wanted the magazine, I would be a little mad!


RE: great work FCC
By walk2k on 9/6/08, Rating: 0