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A Chinese woman used a surgically switched set of fingerprints to fool Japan's high tech biometric scanners at customs. She was only arrested later when police found she was faking a marriage to a Japanese man.  (Source: AP)
Chinese national is later taken into custody on other charges

Lin Rong, a Chinese national, loved Japan.  After all, there were no beatdowns of employees that lost iPhones, not as many internet addiction camps, and no great firewall to censor her internet behavior.  However, she unfortunately overstayed her visa and was deported.

Determined to return, Ms. Lin underwent a rare, but increasingly popular advanced medical procedure to remove her fingerprints on one hand and graft on those of the other hand.  As fingerprints are unique and typically scanned from one hand, the technique is becoming popular in China as a method of eluding biometric scanning devices.

The procedure is reportedly quite expensive, performed in the shadowy depths of China's criminal underworld.  Japanese experts estimate that Ms. Lin's surgery cost $15,000 USD.  The growing popularity of the technique and this high profile incident raise new concerns on topics such as terrorism here in the U.S. and abroad.

As far as Ms. Lin is concerned, the procedure paid off -- she made it past screeners and their biometric scanners at customs.  However, she was later arrested for faking a marriage to a Japanese man.  Authorities grew suspicious when they noticed the scars on her thumbs and index fingers -- the fingers used in the biometric scan.

Ms. Lin is now in custody and will likely be shipped back to China and charged. 

According to security experts many biometric technologies are easy to spoof with enough determination.  Recently hackers demonstrated how to spoof facial recognition software, using angled photographs.


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A lot of money
By Moishe on 12/9/2009 8:10:10 AM , Rating: 2
I'm sure Japan is a nice place, but $15k USD? That's a lot of cash to spend on that. Sounds like it's not foolproof too, since the surgery left scars.




RE: A lot of money
By iVTec on 12/9/2009 9:18:26 AM , Rating: 5
It's not that Japan is a nice place to live...It's just that China is a crappy place to live...


RE: A lot of money
By TheRequiem on 12/9/2009 12:57:17 PM , Rating: 3
Whatever... I lived in both China and Japan and they were both amazing places. However, I thought China was a way funner and more pleasant place to be. You hear about all the regulation there, but besides blocked internet, almost nothing is strictly enforced there. People in the U.S., mostly, the understand the Chinese culture or premise of why they do things the way they do. In The U.S., I am afraid to walk down some streets, in China, I wouldn't mind walking on any street no matter where it was. This isn't a China vs Japan or U.S. battle, but my point is, China isn't that bad and to be honest, I felt plenty free there when I was there (many times). I was able to drink and then walk around on the streets and have fun (something that will get you thrown in jail here), the police are a joke... last time I was there I saw children snatch a cop's hat and he didn't do a damn thing about it. People don't have to go through a million processess to do something simple. People may have minimal health care and benefits, but healthcare there is way cheaper there.

Either way, I'm getting into things that are not important, but this story is NOT representative of 99.9% of Chinese women, they are just fine with their own Country. People are simply fascinated with different things, she is one of them.


RE: A lot of money
By yomamafor1 on 12/9/2009 4:23:46 PM , Rating: 5
Pretty sure your experience only applies to big cities like Shanghai or Beijing. Go to some of the western cities, and you'll be shocked.

Also, China is a nice place to be if you have money, and you're not on the short end of the government's stick.


RE: A lot of money
By dada331 on 12/9/2009 4:41:53 PM , Rating: 5
I lived in China and Japan as well- for about 5 years. While I can't say one was "funner" than the other, it appears to me your experience there was somewhat limited. Perhaps you never ventured forth from Chaoyang-qu in Beijing? Or spent your all your time in Shanghai? Have you indeed spent any time talking to people from the countryside? It's interesting too that your idea of freedom centers on being able to drink alcohol in public (something you can do in Japan as well), as opposed to, say, freedom of association, speech, etc. Regardless, people who are desperate will do desperate things, and I'm certain that this woman is not desperately trying to get into Japan merely because she is desperately "fascinated with different things."


RE: A lot of money
By NA1NSXR on 12/9/2009 7:34:54 PM , Rating: 5
I have extensive Chinese and Japanese experiences, also including long term residency, and you are straight up wrong. I also have experience in Chinese companies and exposure to Chinese regulatory law. Your analysis is completely backwards.

Your experience is one of a western traveler on a big budget (compared to locals), staying in the absolutely most developed regions of the most developed cities, with exposure to probably on MNC's and not domestic Chinese companies.

Japan is way better than China from a living perspective. It is not even close.


RE: A lot of money
By poohbear on 12/10/2009 12:40:55 PM , Rating: 2
dude i lived in japan 2 years and visited China, its no comparision, just visiting china for a week i was like jebus its pure chaos, i could NOT live there. Japan on the other hand is a very cool & hip place to be, its soooooo much more open and the quality of life is head and shoulders above china. I dont think its much of a comparison really. Alot of westerners prefer to live in Japan over the US, let alone china.


RE: A lot of money
By hashish2020 on 12/12/2009 5:17:49 PM , Rating: 2
Most Westerners would like to live in a developed country versus and developing one period, and this has nothing to do with culture.

You admit you LIVED in Japan and only VISITED China, so that is one strike against you, and your argument for Japan is it is "hip and cool" while China is chaotic...funny how this all started with a conversation about FREEDOM in China...I'd think the more ordered a society is the less personal freedom they have...

For me Japan seemed closed and horribly racist (unless you are white I suppose, and even then, not really open) not to mention horribly misogynistic and terribly regimented


RE: A lot of money
By FaaR on 12/10/2009 4:26:25 PM , Rating: 2
Many Chinese people are probably very nice and friendly, but your arguments for 'feeling free' just don't really jive with reality. Sure, you may not get arrested for being intoxicated in public, although you might very well be in some places I wouldn't know.

However, you would get arrested for doing things like protesting government policies in public, trying to start your own political party or union, offering uncensored internet access and such.

Also, as a foreign national you are undoubtedly offered more leniency and better treatment than the average chinese would. Many average chinese folks (which means they're quite poor) have been driven off their lands simply because some rich man wanted it for whatever reason.

And pray you don't get thrown in chinese prison, where you're liable to end up in front of a firing squad, only to have your organs harvested and sold afterwards... Yeech.


RE: A lot of money
By JediJeb on 12/10/2009 4:53:23 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
And pray you don't get thrown in chinese prison, where you're liable to end up in front of a firing squad, only to have your organs harvested and sold afterwards... Yeech.


I have a co-worker whw will varify that statement without hesitation. He arrived here in the late 80's and can never return to China, simply because he stood up and said that the Chinese people shold be free to say what they think. He was one of the students in Tiananmen Square. What he did got him condemed to prison if caught, here most would laugh at him or cheer for him depending on what side of the protest he was on.

For the one who said they felt more freedom and safety in China, I suggest next time you visit, stand on a busy street corner and begin yelling that the internet should be open and Chinese people should have freedom of speech.


RE: A lot of money
By SiN on 12/13/2009 12:22:17 PM , Rating: 3
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so many people with ignorant ideas and word of mouth education about other places.

try protesting in any country, you'll have the police on you pretty fast.

so what if you die on a firing squad and your organs donated, your already dead, and you broke the law (the law is harsh, but it is one of many laws you don't know)

in my experience with friends that have lived and traveled to china, there is a western opinion that china is as bad as western press makes it out to be. If the press didn't sell you bad news you wouldn't read it, they're hardly going to broadcast everything great about a story.

my point? many people will tell you how the policing there is not as brutal as you would have yourselves believe. yes there are some things which we hear about, but these things we hear about are not as widespread as popular ill informed opinion would suggest.

admittedly, some of the rights Chinese people do not have are pretty harsh i.e. property and fair trials. but keep in mind fair trials are hard to come by, and the property you own is owned by the creditors, and ultimately by your government just like china.

america was no different. nor any other country. you do what you like in your own back yard


RE: A lot of money
By Reclaimer77 on 12/9/2009 10:09:06 AM , Rating: 3
lol another moron. Seriously, you are focused on the money !? Tell me, would you spend 15k to escape tyranny, oppression, and living in fear every day ? You're goddamn right you would, I know I would in a heartbeat.


RE: A lot of money
By Aloonatic on 12/9/2009 10:27:56 AM , Rating: 3
Me too.

But until my wife finishes her university course, we're stuck in the UK.

By this time next year we'll be stuck here too anyway, when the pound will be worth less than the Zimbabwean Dollar was before they kicked that to the kerb.


RE: A lot of money
By The0ne on 12/9/2009 10:54:00 AM , Rating: 2
Have you ever been to China? I have no love for the country either but what you're saying isn't entirely true. The majority of the people there go about their daily lives "normally" just like you and I here in US. They are not oppressed or denied hourly, daily or weekly and they as sure hell don't realize that. And even if they do, there's a lot of opportunity to take advantage of there compare to say here in the US. That is why the middle class and rich as so rich and the poor stays very poor.

It isn't like North Korea where things are really fck up.


RE: A lot of money
By Reclaimer77 on 12/9/09, Rating: -1
RE: A lot of money
By Ryanman on 12/9/2009 12:00:55 PM , Rating: 4
What you just said is absolutely idiotic. Just because China isn't an actual Republic doesn't make it miserable for everyone. There aren't just two choices when it comes to your opinion of China. It's like Bush saying "you're with us, or you're against us". How about I hate terrorists, but I'm tired of being wiretapped?

Absolutely nobody's saying China's democratic - they're simply saying that the government actually DOESN'T have that much control over them. It censors the internet and TV but people work and have fun all the same. I'm sure they'd prefer a more transparent government, but then again so would I. For all your psychotic ranting, the UK and US have just as many problems as China.

As for your reference to internet rehab camps, children are sent to those by their parents, not the government.


RE: A lot of money
By Reclaimer77 on 12/9/09, Rating: 0
RE: A lot of money
By The0ne on 12/9/09, Rating: 0
RE: A lot of money
By Reclaimer77 on 12/9/09, Rating: 0
RE: A lot of money
By The0ne on 12/9/2009 5:18:10 PM , Rating: 2
You're not lying. They are not lying. But you are cherry picking issues and classifying the whole country of China in the sense of N.Korea. They are NOT even close. Don't be so gullible and blind.

I traveled to China 1/3 every year and the stuff you talked about and referred to all not at every corner. Not in the cities, not in the towns I've visited. Does that mean they're not "bad?" No, it doesn't. But if you cherry pick the issues in US then you have the same scenario.

Why aren't you seeing US or other countries as so? First and foremost is knowing that something is wrong to begin with. We have slave trade here you know, as well as prostitutes rings with kids, black markets for body parts and such, the umm KKK, those fcking financial management folks that screwed so many citizens :) and so forth.

I'm not disagreeing with you that China is not a good country to be in, for our tastes, but there are millions of people who do live normal daily lives without the interruption of the government.

Trust me, I HATE China. I hate what I see happening there when I visit. But I also know that these are isolated issues and things are being done to some extent. I also know that nothing is being imposed on anyone to do anything they don't want to. Here's my hate list for China...

1. Using children for work (pan-handling, selling crap on the streets, etc.) These are babies to less than 10 year old kids. How millions of people go about their daily normal lives is beyond me. Fcking hate seeing this sht.

2. Pollution. The water is bad, everywhere. Don't drink anything that's not sealed in a bottle, period. Even out in villages hundreds of miles from the city it's still bad. Secondly, the air in certain areas. This is self explanatory. Been to LA, well...it's like that and worse. Third, the food. Know what you are eating. Some foods aren't fresh or not what you think it is.

3. Labor. Thankfully, we only contract with reputable CMs. We visit them before signing the agreement. That doesn't mean there are those horrible working factories conditions about. Those are common in villages where regulation is harder. Pay-wise, it's still fcking horrible, imo, for the low class citizens. We're talking about less than $100 a month for MOST. Middle class gets $1000 or more and rich is way way way beyond both.

4. Their "I don't care attitudes". Like I said, how the hell can you not care about the dirty 6 year kid coming up to you selling you a rose...at 1AM. Fck China and Fck those citizens. There's absolutely 0 organizations available that I've searched for to help with anything from homeless, the elderly, kids or what have you. At this time, I've found 0. Everyone is selfish except to those close to them. IMO, this will not allow them to "grow."

So you see, I have no love for China. I hate them, really hate them. But that does not cloud my viewpoint to see that most are living normally and are doing what they can, just like you and I here. There are nice people there it's just that the bad really gets to you and they are hard to overcome. But as I've commented to you time and time again, you need to visit the place to understand. Spouting what you've read and heard is far far from the norm there.

You don't even want to know the more sickening stuff I've talked to lawyers there about. Here's one example to give you a clue...

These aholes kidnap children (again, very young), bodily dismantle them in some ways like poking an eye out, cutting off an arm or leg and so forth, and set them to pan handling in the streets. The more pathetic they are the more people will give them money. The kids don't see a penny of course but in return they "live" and get food when they are picked up. This is a ring that goes on.

Did I mention I fckign hate China? Now you know.


RE: A lot of money
By Reclaimer77 on 12/9/2009 6:46:17 PM , Rating: 2
...

You know I'm so confused I have forgotten what your beef with me is. You have just described a complete hell hole that I would rather kill myself than live in. But because some or most people are living their lives just fine, everything I said was wrong? Aren't they living under fear? Are the punishments given when they step out of line remotely proportional to the offense?

quote:
But as I've commented to you time and time again, you need to visit the place to understand.


I'll think about it...

quote:
These aholes kidnap children (again, very young), bodily dismantle them in some ways like poking an eye out, cutting off an arm or leg and so forth, and set them to pan handling in the streets. The more pathetic they are the more people will give them money. The kids don't see a penny of course but in return they "live" and get food when they are picked up. This is a ring that goes on.


*shudders*

On second thought, I think I'm good here in the 'ole USA, home of the infidels.


RE: A lot of money
By The0ne on 12/10/2009 10:56:58 AM , Rating: 1
You truly do not understand. Man I feel like Einstein!


RE: A lot of money
By hashish2020 on 12/10/2009 7:56:33 PM , Rating: 2
I'm assuming you haven't been to many poor country, because the things you *shudder* at are simply signs of poverty that are WORSE in equivalent countries with more freedom, like India or Cambodia

I have been to all three countries, traveled extensively too in the region, and I find what most western people can't stand is poverty, which honestly was worse before 1989

" Aren't they living under fear? Are the punishments given when they step out of line remotely proportional to the offense?"

You know, they aren't that bad compared to most places...you talk out against the government and mostly what happens is either you get some months in jail and apologize or be exiled

Yea what they do to the Falun Gang is bad, but so is what we did in Waco, and the Falun Gang are freaking nuts, worse than Scientology nuts

And the "poor and oppressed" are not who are speaking out, it is the academia who speak out against the SYSTEM---what you hear about is largely local corruption which was JUST as bad under the "free" Nationalists, if not worse---and what people want to do is petition the national government OR they speak out on the internet, which regularly pressures the federal government to take action, but they can only do so much because there are MANY factions in the party who certianly use the people's opinions in their actions

And let me tell you something---the VAST majority of Chinese people like their government, especially the poor, because of the economy, and that is it...I will BET you approval ratings of the Chinese government are some of the highest in the world

I moved from there cuz I couldn't stand it, but you guys simply DO NOT understand it


RE: A lot of money
By Keeir on 12/9/2009 3:14:26 PM , Rating: 2
I guess this is the best place

the First thing to remember about China

Its HUGE
In Size (poor roads lead to manification factor)
In Population
and last but not least in Cultures
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Territories_of_D...

China has something like 40 spoken languages that qualify as major dialects.

Its also still recovering from the Cultural Revolution
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Revolution

So what do we have now in China?

Areas dominated by capatilism and laize faire type government which are fairly "okay". Heck, the Tourist regions are downright pleasant!

Areas dominated by controlling and corrupt government officals that are terrible.

Some interesting observations:

Many/Most Chinese work in conditions that would be illegal in the US/EU. Effective wage slavery ("Indentured Servants") is high. Human trafficing is high. Complusive restrictions such as living arrangments are high.

Restrictions on Religion, Philoshpy and general "thought" based groups that would not be accepted in any First World Country. Often overzealous officals punish these in extreme fashion as anything but "Maoism" was (is) considered wrong and a crime against everyone else.

One Child Policy still exists and is enforced strongly in some areas. (Only ~35% of the population lives with this restriction. One of the reasons why 75% approve of it!)

Public Safety codes are abysmal compared to even the US (Let alone the EU). What they do to the Enviroment is criminal. Especially given that they have 200 years of Western Mistakes to -learn- from.

Government red-tape is extremely high in most regions and Government control of business is still very capricious.

However, China is moving towards a more Westernized Style of government. Labour Laws are being investigated along with product safety laws. At least they are trying to clean up act.


RE: A lot of money
By Reclaimer77 on 12/9/2009 3:28:02 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
However, China is moving towards a more Westernized Style of government. Labour Laws are being investigated along with product safety laws. At least they are trying to clean up act.


But that doesn't make ANYTHING I said false though, does it ? You can't have your cake and eat it too. Chinas government directly oppresses, tortures, false imprisons, executes etc etc their own citizens. They ARE a Communist country.

I mean whitewash it all you want guys, but if you think China is some great place to live, you are lying to yourselves.


RE: A lot of money
By Keeir on 12/9/2009 4:08:58 PM , Rating: 2
Err... maybe read my entire post?

Your cherry picking though. The majority of your complaignts seem to stem from lack of tolerence of religion in some regions of China.

Yet China is a large place. There are regions where religion is tolerated to varying degrees.

I think the Enivormental Policies are far more corrupt and disgraceful. Since China should already know what happens when you allow air, water, and soil pollution get out of control.


RE: A lot of money
By CSMR on 12/9/2009 12:20:06 PM , Rating: 2
What a ridiculous dichotomy. Western brainwashing, no better than Chinese nationalistic brainwashing.

Re: communism
China is not a democracy and it is not communist either except in name. I am sure that in not much time it will be more capitalist than Europe. (HK is more capitalist than the US.)


RE: A lot of money
By The0ne on 12/9/09, Rating: 0
RE: A lot of money
By CSMR on 12/9/2009 12:12:41 PM , Rating: 2
Absolutely. There are reasons to prefer other countries, mainly economic, although China has been catching up fast for a long time.
The many Chinese people I have met in various western countries have very positive views about their country.


RE: A lot of money
By Moishe on 12/9/2009 12:59:58 PM , Rating: 2
Don't be a git.
I understand the escape from China. I'm surprised that someone who so badly needs to escape can come up with that kind of money. Most Americans don't have $15k laying around, and we know that the Chinese have a far lower standard of living.

Like I said, that's a lot of money spent just to try to get into Japan. There are other countries that don't have the biometrics.

Get it?


RE: A lot of money
By The0ne on 12/9/2009 2:54:00 PM , Rating: 2
US don't use biometrics much lol. Our POS (point of sales) terminal has many capabilites, one of which is biometric support, but absolutely no one uses it or request it. And this is the financial business side!

I think this women has other agenda that she's willing to come up with 15k to sneak into Japan. I don't think most users here understand how much money that is in China lol. Depending on location, you can buy a nice house with that sum.


RE: A lot of money
By Roy2001 on 12/9/2009 1:18:13 PM , Rating: 3
I can personally tell you, 99.999% Chinese people choose to immigrate (legal or illegal) not because of political reason. It is simply for money!

Yeah some people pay $30k and stay on ship for weeks or even months to enter US illegally, and they work hard to pay off in a few years! In China, 99.9% people hate corruption but no one cares "escape tyranny, oppression, and living in fear".


RE: A lot of money
By kkshoe1210 on 12/9/09, Rating: -1
RE: A lot of money
By andylawcc on 12/10/2009 2:05:44 AM , Rating: 2
20 bucks says she's a hooker


Maybe It's Just Me
By EJ257 on 12/9/2009 8:41:37 AM , Rating: 3
This feels like it has spy written all over it. Seriously, you must love the country you trying to sneak into A LOT to pull off something like this on your own.




RE: Maybe It's Just Me
By seamonkey79 on 12/9/2009 9:11:17 AM , Rating: 5
Maybe she just disliked China that much and doesn't want to say such a thing because she'd likely be killed for it... if she's not already for trying to sneak out...


RE: Maybe It's Just Me
By paydirt on 12/9/2009 9:53:17 AM , Rating: 3
Yeah, um, SPY!


RE: Maybe It's Just Me
By Reclaimer77 on 12/9/2009 10:05:24 AM , Rating: 2
I defy you to live in China for about..ohhh, let's say 10 years and come back and have that same opinion. I know China and the US media has gone on a non stop image campaign about how great China is, but the fact is they are an oppressive Communist country that people will go to great lengths to escape.

Your post was so stupid and rooted in ignorance it's honestly offensive. A spy ? So I guess all those illegal Mexicans building tunnels under fake toilets just to get into America are spies too ? Come off it !


RE: Maybe It's Just Me
By Motoman on 12/9/2009 10:33:46 AM , Rating: 2
...not knowing anything more about it than you do, it seems to be very likely that people would go to these lengths not because of any infatuation with another country (Japan or otherwise), but rather to escape China.

China sounds like maybe a nice place to visit...but a nightmare to live there.


RE: Maybe It's Just Me
By carniver on 12/9/2009 1:12:22 PM , Rating: 2
Her strong desire may be impressive, but this measure she took is obviously fraud. Which country would want to take someone for their deceptive behaviour?


That's soooo..
By straycat74 on 12/9/2009 8:51:29 AM , Rating: 5
RONG.




RE: That's soooo..
By redbone75 on 12/9/2009 9:11:47 AM , Rating: 1
Is her name really Rin Long?


RE: That's soooo..
By straycat74 on 12/9/2009 9:14:00 AM , Rating: 3
That Japanese man almost married Mrs. Rong.


RE: That's soooo..
By HopJokey on 12/9/2009 9:16:02 AM , Rating: 5
...If lovin' her is Rong, I don't wanna be right.


RE: That's soooo..
By cokbun on 12/10/2009 6:35:16 AM , Rating: 2
me love you rong time


let her stay
By tastyratz on 12/9/2009 11:02:14 AM , Rating: 2
she obviously wants her citizenship probably more badly than half the existing population. If she went through that much just to get out of china I personally would be OK with the usa offering her an honorary citizenship (or maybe stick her up in Canada).

Then again I also believe in the usa the government should grant citizenship to all people who voluntarily serve in the military to fight for our country for a reasonable quantity of time - even though they don't do that... so silly me.




RE: let her stay
By Reclaimer77 on 12/9/09, Rating: -1
RE: let her stay
By tastyratz on 12/9/2009 11:12:59 AM , Rating: 2
Racial slur or not, if they are willing to die for their citizenship and die for our country that says a hell of a lot more than half the antipatriotic lazy slobs that inherited it already here.

Funny the government lets people JOIN the military who are not us citizens. They have no problem letting them die for us, they just cant live here?

At that point they EARNED it. Your damn right they deserve it.


RE: let her stay
By Reclaimer77 on 12/9/2009 11:15:56 AM , Rating: 3
They shouldn't be here. PERIOD. It's not about them being able to serve, they are criminals. We have just lost the political willpower to call them as such and treat them as such and actually DO what the law says we should.


RE: let her stay
By xti on 12/9/2009 11:34:54 AM , Rating: 1
I'm Ron Burgandy?

Some people will believe anything just because its written on something fancy.


RE: let her stay
By tastyratz on 12/9/2009 12:38:38 PM , Rating: 1
exportation?
We do it every day. We quite simply do not have the manpower to properly enforce our borders that tightly- its return on investment. While our border control is quite poor right now I do agree with you there. There are many people here who have not earned the right and offer no contributions to society in contrast. THOSE people deserve it the least.

Easy to bitch behind a keyboard though. Do you or have you served in the military? have you EARNED your right as an American in that respect?

In the interest of disclosure I have not been part of the military, but appropriately recognize those who are as true Americans who deserve it much more so than I.


RE: let her stay
By Reclaimer77 on 12/9/09, Rating: -1
RE: let her stay
By tastyratz on 12/9/2009 2:25:42 PM , Rating: 2
Thanks for your kind words, dear gentleman - you surely bested me there in a battle of the minds.

The only point where I judged you was for your extremely ignorant narrowminded simpleton disrespectful racial slur. I asked you if you were in the military. If you attempted to join but were medically excluded, fine - you deserve it. That was a pretty simple question.

But with this response, you think being born here and paying taxes should be the only designator for citizenship?

If someone fights in our military and loses 100% of their leg, did they not give more to our country than you or I probably ever will with our "tax dollars" and earn it?

Your citizenship is more than a government paycheck.


RE: let her stay
By Reclaimer77 on 12/9/2009 3:17:26 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
But with this response, you think being born here and paying taxes should be the only designator for citizenship?


I think you might want to look up the part of our laws that determine citizenship. I'm not Ben Franklin, but I'm pretty sure that YES, being born here IS the designator for citizenship. Are you retarded ?

quote:
If someone fights in our military and loses 100% of their leg, did they not give more to our country than you or I probably ever will with our "tax dollars" and earn it?


Sigh, why do you insist on this premise ? You are missing my point, they are illegals. Criminals. They should NOT be serving in our military in the first place, because they should not be here. I know what you are trying to do and I'm tired of it. You are using a bleeding heart emotional argument to get your point across.

quote:
The only point where I judged you was for your extremely ignorant narrowminded simpleton disrespectful racial slur.


It was called humor. Honestly lighten up, have you EVER heard someone use "beaner" in a serious conversation ? God you uptight people.


RE: let her stay
By elgueroloco on 12/9/2009 5:09:09 PM , Rating: 2
Since when don't they? Where do you get your information? About half the Filipinos I know got here and got their citizenship by joining the military.

AFAIK, the military is perfectly willing to do that, but they don't just let anyone and everyone join so they can get citizenship. However, AFAIK, any foreigner who does get accepted to join also gets to live here if they serve out their tour and get an honorable discharge. I believe I've even seen that advertised.


IT does ?
By Reclaimer77 on 12/9/2009 10:13:33 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
The growing popularity of the technique and this high profile incident raise new concerns on topics such as terrorism here in the U.S. and abroad.


I don't see how the two are connected. We don't use biometric scanners. Hell, we don't even profile based on race, religion, or sex. Because that wouldn't be pollitically correct. And the only time your fingerprints are taken in America is after you have been arrested and committed a crime. Am I missing a connection here ?




RE: IT does ?
By maven81 on 12/9/2009 10:43:30 AM , Rating: 3
Once again spouting off about something you know nothing about...

You don't get fingerprinted if you are a US citizen! However, if you were a foreign national entering the country on a visa you better believe they can fingerprint you, even if you have done nothing wrong. You'll also get fingerprinted if you want to become a US citizen.
And we may not profile, but we do keep a watch list with millions of people on it. I used to work with a guy who was always stopped at the airport because someone else with that name was on the list. And here's a kicker... his last name was SMITH. How anyone with that last name could be on a watch list is pretty mind boggling.


RE: IT does ?
By Reclaimer77 on 12/9/09, Rating: 0
RE: IT does ?
By GodisanAtheist on 12/9/2009 12:32:40 PM , Rating: 2
Except we do use Biometric scanners at airports and we do racially profile, just not officially.

This isn't to say biometric scanners were implemented BEFORE 9/11, or that the FBI and a half dozen other people didn't drop the ball on those hijackers.


RE: IT does ?
By maven81 on 12/9/2009 1:26:28 PM , Rating: 2
Are you dense? These measures have been put in place after 9/11. There were lots of things you could do before 9/11 like not take off your shoes and carry a bottle of water. That doesn't mean the situation is still the same today.
And the story is absolutely true, I worked with that guy.


RE: IT does ?
By The0ne on 12/9/2009 3:01:37 PM , Rating: 2
You honestly need to stop posting in this thread. It's completely obvious you have no clue about some of these topics and issues. You're not missing a connection, you're not even connected to be making any rational, reasonable comment.

US does have biometrics. It's use. We have biometric support on our product and even if it's not used yet that's due to the market. Biometrics have been around for at least the 10 years since I last worked in the area. Back then people were betting on the bluechip on credit cards to take off. We had biometric systems to be able to collect/put the info on it but the market just didn't take off. We even coded the software inside the bluechip for it.


By bravenewworld on 12/11/2009 7:06:20 AM , Rating: 2
I lived in a 'smaller' city in China called WuHan (9 million people). The people pretty much have to figure the price of government payoffs into their business. Even if they meet the 'regulations' the government official expects 'something for his time'.

That particular city has a horrible pollution problem. The sky pretty much always had a black haze to it.

I had the same experience as 'The0ne' posted when it comes to how selfish the Chinese people are. If you aren't related, or a friend, it was like you were of little to no value.
One example I experienced happened while I was walking down a large open shopping mall. A man that looked like he had been stabbed, was yelling for help and I guess trying to get himself to a hospital. In America probably half the crowd would call emergency services, for the guy, and if a EMT, or even somewhat medically trained person was around they would try to help him out. Well, the Chinese people in the crowd, were saying things like, I don't want him to get blood on me, or tried to ignore him. Granted my Chinese is nowhere near perfect, but I didn't hear or see anyone try to help him out. I wish I had a cell phone at that time, or even the number of the emergency services. I'm not sure if that guy even made it, as he disappeared into the crowd.

I lived in what probably was considered the bad part of town. Three of the corners of the intersection I lived near had 'massage parlors' with very young girls working there. Some of these girls had babies living in the cathouse with them. They'd say Hello, or OK, to me as I walked by. I never responded. The police were around there all the time, but it was definitely not to close them down.

The people I lived with had more exposure to the western world as their daughter married one of my friends. Please don't get the wrong idea. While I don't desire to live there again, all is not bad there. Many of the younger generation (25-40) is starting to see that there are things that make the western world more compassionate, and value the individual, than just our form of government, or capitalist economic system.

People are thronging the Christian churches, and also looking into their families religious heritage before Mao ripped it from the country.

My personal opinion is that China's problems are largely fixable via instilling the value and purpose of life through religious means. People are becoming aware that the government cannot grant or take away the inalienable rights that were given from God. They have already experienced the failed attempts of the government to dole out a 'better life' for the common man.

This is why China's government is striving to control what it's people see via the Great Firewall. Once enough people figure out the grass really is greener on the other side, there will be a massive political and religious movement. The Falun Gong movement is just a small spark compared to the hot coals that are bound to flare up and ignite the whole nation.

Some things we could stand to learn from them are to truly become a capitalist society again, by actually saving 'capital', and the value of natural remedies, via Chinese herbal medicine.




By hashish2020 on 12/12/2009 5:13:23 PM , Rating: 2
...

"Well, the Chinese people in the crowd, were saying things like, I don't want him to get blood on me, or tried to ignore him. Granted my Chinese is nowhere near perfect, but I didn't hear or see anyone try to help him out. "

Um, so you didn't understand them but you understood everything

And what you saw is common across societies, it is called the bystander effect, and it is in NO way just a Chinese or Asian thing. Whatever you ASSUME Westerners would do, the REALITY is that most in a group would just sit by and do nothing.

Just look at the Kitty Genevese case---it happens all across America regularly


Hmm
By slatr on 12/9/2009 2:18:46 PM , Rating: 3
Two Rongs don't make it right..




Completely biased reporting on China
By CSMR on 12/9/2009 12:07:57 PM , Rating: 2
Obvious inclusion of irrelevant material in order to get across Jason Mick's bias against China.

"Lin Rong, a Chinese national, loved Japan. After all, there were no beatdowns of employees that lost iPhones, not as many internet addiction camps, and no great firewall to censor her internet behavior."

Since she did not to anyone's knowledge lose an iphone, since she is not to anyone's knowledge addicted to the internet, and if she were would not be forced to go to a camp, nor was she going to escape a firewall to anyone's knowledge.

Shocking standard of reporting here.




This is pretty wierd
By hashish2020 on 12/10/2009 8:01:21 PM , Rating: 1
This is like a Polish Jew wanting to move to Germany because she likes the culture...except worse because at least Germany apologized while Japan denies what they did (which was FAR worse than what the Nazis did)




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