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Deng Senshan's father, Deng Fei paid nearly a third of an average month's wage to send his son to a camp to cure internet addiction. His trust was betrayed by the camp counselors, though, who apparently tortured and beat his son to death.  (Source: Deng Fei/Global Times)
And they say internet addiction is bad for you...

Just a couple weeks ago the suicide of a young employee at iPhone-manufacturer Foxconn, reportedly after being beaten and interrogated by his employer, shocked the tech community.  Now another incident of alarming brutality in China has reached the public eye.

The life of 16-year-old Deng Senshan was cut tragically short when several counselors at a camp for internet addiction gave him a beating which proved fatal.  The boy had been sent by his parents to the camp -- the Guangxi Qihang Survival Training Camp, a branch set up by Guangzhou Self-help Teenager Development Training Center -- in hopes of ridding their son of his preoccupation with the internet.

Deng Fei, the boy's father, paid 7,000 yuan ($1,024) to send his son to the camp for one month after he graduated from Ziyuan No. 2 High School in Guilin in July.  The camp sounded promising, assuring "close management with training teachers."  The camp's mission statement also solemnly promised, "Our methods are tough but do not include torture or other methods that might damage a child’s health."

That statement turned out to be the stark opposite of reality.  The camp quickly put Deng Senshan in solitary confinement.  A few days later the deadly beating occurred when camp counselors felt the boy was running to slow during a workout. 

Realizing how severely they injured the boy, they took him to a local hospital, where he died after only 10 minutes.  According to the medical records, "The boy showed no response to emergency treatment.  He arrived with a very weak heartbeat and could not breathe. He was exhausted after being beaten. We were unable to save him."

A man surnamed Xia, who serves as the camp's principal, steadfastly claims the boy was not beaten and was taken to the hospital for a fever.  However, the boy's father says that he had blood on his face and that his wrists featured bruises and other signs of being handcuffed.

Mr. Deng Fei is furious at his son's apparent murder and is seeking justice.  He states, "My son was very healthy and was not a criminal. He just had an Internet addiction when I left him at the camp.  The police informed us that our child had died on Monday morning. We can’t believe our only son was beaten to death.  The teachers promised me that they would not use any physical punishment on my son when I dropped him off.  We’re planning to sit before the local government for a protest tomorrow. If they don’t give us justice, we will go to the camp to confront them."

The three camp counselors responsible for the beating have been taken into custody.

In a land where public executions are considered acceptable, still, it seems like he has a good shot at getting his justice.  However, one must wonder whether the corporal punishments inflicted by Chinese law enforcement are just an example of violence and brutality begetting more of the same.

 


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Hmmm...
By Oobu on 8/6/2009 5:31:51 AM , Rating: 5
Did he drop any good loot?




RE: Hmmm...
By ninus3d on 8/6/2009 6:27:08 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Did he drop any good loot?


Dear oh dear, this is SO wrong! I shouldnt have laughed from this at all, I'm going to hell :(


RE: Hmmm...
By anon888 on 8/6/2009 7:15:07 AM , Rating: 3
quote:
Dear oh dear, this is SO wrong! I shouldnt have laughed from this at all, I'm going to hell :(


don't worry hell has good loot not as good as cow-run tho!

might wanna watch out for diablo while ur down there


RE: Hmmm...
By ninus3d on 8/6/2009 8:16:51 AM , Rating: 2
But then again, who drops better loot than diablo himself in hell?


RE: Hmmm...
By Ratinator on 8/6/2009 11:31:14 AM , Rating: 2
You and me both...I can't stop laughing. I would say give the guy a 6 but that would ensure our place in the fiery pit.


RE: Hmmm...
By sapiens74 on 8/6/2009 4:50:04 PM , Rating: 4
Give him three 6's

I'm still laughing


RE: Hmmm...
By SilthDraeth on 8/6/2009 5:15:45 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
Replying To: RE: Hmmm... by sapiens74 on August 6, 2009 at 4:50 PM Give him three 6's I'm still laughing


LMFAO


RE: Hmmm...
By transamdude95 on 8/6/2009 8:43:15 AM , Rating: 2
That has got to be the best comment of the week.


RE: Hmmm...
By lukasbradley on 8/6/2009 9:12:00 AM , Rating: 2
This is the most brilliant and terrible thing I've seen in a while. Hats off.


RE: Hmmm...
By krichmond on 8/6/2009 9:49:45 AM , Rating: 1
HAHAHAHA still cracking me up


RE: Hmmm...
By anonymo on 8/6/09, Rating: -1
RE: Hmmm...
By invidious on 8/6/2009 10:01:35 AM , Rating: 2
People who are seeing the joke for the first time deserve to die because of their inexperience? Uhhh do I really need to explain the inherant stupidy of that notion?


RE: Hmmm...
By Breathless on 8/6/2009 10:21:53 AM , Rating: 2
am I the only one that does not get the joke? Pardon my stupidity, but what does it mean?


RE: Hmmm...
By Finnkc on 8/6/2009 10:31:28 AM , Rating: 4
"loot" or "drops" is what you get when you kill or defeat rather an enemy or quest in most of the popular online games (World of Warcraft for example).

"big boss monsters" drop "loot" for players to use and are more sought after then normal "loot".

the joke is older then the internet ... I must have seen it posted five - six times before this ... funny the first time you see it ... lame joke now IMO.


RE: Hmmm...
By rabbitslayer21 on 8/6/2009 3:44:55 PM , Rating: 3
RE: Hmmm...
By chrnochime on 8/6/09, Rating: 0
RE: Hmmm...
By cludinsk on 8/6/2009 2:20:48 PM , Rating: 2
humor, lighten up


RE: Hmmm...
By Adonlude on 8/6/2009 11:56:38 AM , Rating: 3
quote:
Did he drop any good loot?


I rarely laugh out loud while reading in my office but you got me with that one. I think I played just enough Everquest years ago for that to be funny.


RE: Hmmm...
By Samus on 8/6/2009 6:32:00 PM , Rating: 2
hahaha...about as dry as humor gets


RE: Hmmm...
By pwnsweet on 8/6/2009 10:39:19 PM , Rating: 1
Best comment of all time


RE: Hmmm...
By chick0n on 8/6/2009 11:10:55 PM , Rating: 2
Nah, he is just a small creep, only meth runs might get you pre-1.08 patch's bow ...

I know Im not supposed to laugh.

I can't help it.


RE: Hmmm...
By Souka on 8/7/2009 12:37:17 PM , Rating: 3
If he dropped any loot it'll be small stuff.

I mean, he's a common class....even if you're a one-in-a-million in China, there's still over 1300 of you...hence, common.


Incorrect Caption or Article?
By vanka on 8/6/2009 12:45:20 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Photo Caption:
Deng Senshan's father, Deng Fei paid nearly a third of an average month's wage to send his son to a camp ...

quote:
Article:
Deng Fei, the boy's father, paid 7,000 yuan ($1,024) to send his son to the camp


That would mean that the average monthly salary in China about $3,072 or $36,864 a year; not everyone in the US makes this much. I suspect that the caption should read:
quote:
Deng Senshan's father, Deng Fei paid nearly a third of an average years's wage to send his son to a camp ...




RE: Incorrect Caption or Article?
By MatthiasF on 8/6/2009 1:23:37 PM , Rating: 2
I don't see any mention of the father's salary in any other report, so I'm figuring this was an attempted cheap shot at Chinese wages.

But it is possible that the father made 21,000 yuan a year. Chinese airline pilots make around 90,000 yuan a year and one Chinese computer programming friend makes 25,000 yuan a year.

That's around $13,500 USD for the pilot or $3750 USD for the programmer. Might not seem like much, but the cost of living over there is much lower. The purchasing power parity (a measurement to relate cost of living between nations) for China is four times the USA.

So that pilot is making the equivalent of $54,000 a year in the US and my geek friend $15,000.

The poor teen's father would be making around $12,600 a year.


RE: Incorrect Caption or Article?
By yanon on 8/6/2009 2:13:07 PM , Rating: 2
After reading my post, you probably wonder how can someone who makes $2,000 afford a $250K house. Well, what happen is that Chinese either sell their old home (which they gotten for free 20 years ago)or use/borrow their parents' life savings to help purchase their new home.

Another common misconception Westerner have about China is that they think everybody in China are communists. This is absolutely untrue. the total number of Chinese communist party members are only 76 millions (keep in mind that China has 1.3 billion people). Most of those 76 millions party members are not communism believers. They are merely using their party membership as a ladder to higher government official positions. In China, power means money. Government officials routinely take bribes from companies (domestic and western fortune 500 companies) and tax the hell out of the common citizens. These corrupted officials will then send their money to foreign banks and help their sons/daughters gain foreign citizenship. So, if they are ever investigated by the internal affairs department of the CCP. They will escape to countries like Canada, Australia, and even the US. These countries have no extradite treaties with China. So, they are the perfect heaven for these criminals. Also, contrary to popular beliefs, there no true free education (so call universal free eduation until high school is a lie, everyone must pay supplemental fees to schools) or healthcare (no downpayment, no medical treatment unless you are a government worker) in China.
So, in summary, today's China is even more pure capitalistic then most Western countries. China is truly a country following the social darwinism principle.


RE: Incorrect Caption or Article?
By yanon on 8/6/2009 2:17:05 PM , Rating: 2
$2,000 per month


By MatthiasF on 8/6/2009 4:46:58 PM , Rating: 2
I didn't realize real estate was so expensive in China. I'm assuming the cities grew so fast that property prices went crazy, much like New York city's rise in the mid 19th century.

I appreciate you getting involved in the discussion, most of what you say is news to me, albeit not the myth that China is majority communist. As much as Americans and other Western countries like to tout Democracy, none of them really are close although a Republic with universal suffrage is sufficiently close for most of us. I'm sure China is the same way, promoting Communism as the ideal, but ultimately being a Republic as well. Also seems like China is more technocratic than Western nations, which I admire albeit not enough to overcome my disdain for the communist roots.

It's inevitable that a burgeoning economy will take on capitalistic traits even if the ruling single party system has contrary ideals. And the corruption you speak of is not uncommon in any nation, just seems to do more harm in rapidly developing nations.

While you go down a list for us as problems, some Americans would actually prefer some of what you mention. There's a small minority here that hates free public schools and government healthcare. One question, though, what do you mean by "no medical treatment unless you are a government worker"? I'm hoping you meant "no free medical treatment", otherwise I'm surprised there aren't more riots in China.

And I wouldn't promote the "social darwinism" cliche. It's not necessarily a good thing when you include the human rights issues of which China is well known.


RE: Incorrect Caption or Article?
By Kibbles on 8/6/2009 8:24:37 PM , Rating: 2
According to the CIA factbook, the GDP per capita of China is estimated to be $6000 for 2008.
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world...

Some other ways people can purchase such expensive housing:
Company grants: most larger companies and government companies will subsidize housing costs or simply give you the house. There's qualifications, but pretty much higher your pay, the better your grant.
Land buyout: the government may want to construct something at your current location and will pay you to move (whether you like it or not). Essentially giving you a new house somewhere else. Not always what people want but...
Co-purchase: families will often live together. It's a cultural thing I guess. Americans might look at a 40yr old with wife and kids living with parents as odd, but it's a common occurance in China.
Most people in China do not deal with things like insurance, automobiles, and retirement. Many jobs will subsidize traveling fees, and some will even cover food expenses. So much of that income is directly in pocket. Medical insurance is pretty new in China, most people just pay cash.

I think the biggest difference between idiologies is in the US it's "I am one in a million" while in China it's "I am one of a billion".


RE: Incorrect Caption or Article?
By vanka on 8/6/2009 3:04:09 PM , Rating: 2
I meant no cheap shot at Chinese salaries; they are lower than ours - but their cost of living is much lower as well.

As for it not being in any other report - I was going off the figures provided by Jason in this article. As my original post says, combining the information in the caption with the information in the article one gets a figure of $36,000 for the average yearly salary of a Chinese worker; this translates to 245,923 yuan. The figures provided by www.worldsalaries.org states that the average rural salary is approximately $4,000 a year while http://www.asianresearch.org/articles/2089.html says that:
quote:
the average monthly income of 70% of business workers in Mainland China is between 800 yuan (US $97) to 2,500 yuan (US $302)


By MatthiasF on 8/6/2009 4:26:39 PM , Rating: 2
I apologize, I didn't mean you were making the cheap shot. I meant to imply the article writer was by including that sentence in their news report.


RE: Incorrect Caption or Article?
By yanon on 8/6/2009 1:47:52 PM , Rating: 2
You need to update your preception of China. Nowdays, upper-middle class (mid-level managers of large companies, branch manager of banks, professors of major universities, mid-level government officials, attending physicians of 3A (level one trauma center) hospitals) in China can make 10,000 to 30,000 (approx. $1,500 to 3,000 USD) yuan per month. The aforementioned salaries don't include kickbacks and end-of-year bonuses those people usually get.

Another thing you probably don't know about China is that the condo-style homes in big cities (Beijing, Shanghai, Shenzhen, Guangzhou,and etc ...) costs about 15,000 per square meter. So, a 100 square meter (approx. 1,100 sq.ft.)home costs 1.5 million yuan or $220K USD. New homes in China have bare walls and floors (no carpet, cabinets, or kitchen appliances). So, adding interior decoration costs to home purchase price will give you the average true home purchase price, $250K USD. Homes in the central business district of those big cities can easily triple that price. If one wants American-style townhouse or single family home, one will be paying millions USD.



RE: Incorrect Caption or Article?
By vanka on 8/6/2009 2:54:06 PM , Rating: 3
yanon ,
Please don't take this as an insult, but you should do more research before calling me out on my "perception" of China. While it is true that China has a its share of millionaires and a rapidly growing middle-class; the fact remains that the overwhelming majority of China's population are either poor agriculturalists or low-wage factory workers. I do not doubt that there are many Chinese (living mostly in urban areas) who are making the equivalent of $3,000+ a month, but compared to the overall population they are very outnumbered.

The fact is that the caption specifically states that the father spent a third of the average Chinese monthly salary (not the average Chinese doctor's salary) and the article stated that he paid $1,024 for the camp. The average Chinese salary is much lower than $3,000 a month. Hence the need for clarification; was this a typo and the caption should actually read "nearly a third of a yearly salary" (believable as http://www.worldsalaries.org lists the average rural salary as about $4,000 a year and the average urban salary around $8,000) or was it referring to salaries of the urban upper-middle class? In either case it is not accurate as it is currently worded.


Internet addiction clinic?
By MrPoletski on 8/6/2009 5:31:16 AM , Rating: 2
Am I the only person that reads this headline and goes..

wtf?!?




RE: Internet addiction clinic?
By Targon on 8/6/2009 9:25:39 AM , Rating: 3
It is a known problem that many people there are spending so much time in front of a computer that they are no longer able to satisfy other commitments. It would be like an adult not going to work for a week because of a new World of Warcraft expansion. At that point, the addiction is so clearly bad for the person that sending them to a rehab clinic might seem like the right solution for a parent or family member.

For younger people, if a student skips school for a week just to play on the computer, it may amount to the same thing in the eyes of a parent.


RE: Internet addiction clinic?
By Blight AC on 8/6/2009 9:46:58 AM , Rating: 2
Would it be better if the employee took time off from work for the Superbowl (I mean, if the Superbowl was not on a Sunday how common would this be)?

I'd bet any money that the opinions of someone taking time off to see the Superbowl would be completely different from someone who wanted to take time off to play a game due to it just being released. Computer or TV, what's the real difference there?

Wait, what if it was a hunter who took a week off on the opening of Hunting season? I know people at my work who do that each year.

If I take time off to hunt game, or to watch a game, it's ok, but when I play it, that becomes a problem?

Yes, there is a point when it's too much. If you don't take time off to do what you enjoy though, what are you taking it for?


RE: Internet addiction clinic?
By Bateluer on 8/6/2009 10:05:25 AM , Rating: 2
If you take time off for the start of the hunting season or to watch a monday night foot ball game, there's no problem so long as you have the vacation time and you return to work at the end of your time off. Same with the taking time off to play computer games. If you have the time, you might as well take them. Spending a week playing an MMO for vacation may not sound like fun to some, but it's definitely cheaper than a plane ticket or a trip to a lavish resort.


RE: Internet addiction clinic?
By invidious on 8/6/2009 10:07:30 AM , Rating: 4
Or the parents could stop being tools and just take the kid's computer away and make him get a job. Give him a dose of the consequences of the real world. Thats all most people need to straighten them out, some tough love.

The last thing these types of people need is a camp to imply that they are some how dissabled or special. They are the same as every else, lazy and irresponsible, most people don't want to go to work, we only do it to avoid the consequences of not doing it.

I will refer you to the AA episode of South Park. Although the first thing I thought about when I read the title was the "Death Camp of Tollerance" esisode of South Park.


RE: Internet addiction clinic?
By MrPoletski on 8/7/2009 9:04:48 AM , Rating: 2
The other solution is:

"Format C: /u"


RE: Internet addiction clinic?
By bodar on 8/7/2009 4:51:59 PM , Rating: 2
IIRC, the /u switch was abandoned along with DOS and is not used anymore in Windows CLI.

http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/w...

Yeah, I'm just nitpicking. ;)


By Creig on 8/6/2009 7:35:49 AM , Rating: 2
I think this is what they were referring to.




By amanojaku on 8/6/2009 7:53:16 AM , Rating: 1
That's implying there was something wrong with the kid, which many Chinese do believe. Cultural mores are hard to overcome, even when dealing with your own friends and families.

The Chinese need to learn that these cases fall into "if it ain't broke don't fix it." Unless people are spending more time on video games than life (i.e. school or work,) or displaying increasingly hostile tendencies, I say leave them alone.


By xsilver on 8/6/2009 10:04:54 AM , Rating: 2
You mean like how people in AA or NA might not be hurting anybody so we should leave them alone?

They should just dump them in the middle of somewhere and go "hey you think internet games are fun - here you go - duke it out BATTLE ROYALE style" :)

They come back cured or not at all :P


By amanojaku on 8/6/2009 10:50:42 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
Internet addiction disorder (IAD), or more broadly Internet overuse, problematic computer use or pathological computer use is excessive computer use that interferes with daily life.
Nowhere in this article or the source does it say that this kid was actually addicted. His parents say that, and that's it. No mention of the amount of time spent online consecutively, the activities he performed, nothing.

On the other hand, it DOES say that at 16 he graduated from the no. 2 high school in the autonomous region. It sounds like his wealthy businessman father just didn't understand his kid. Remember that these types of places are for the rich and seem to be used often. Several studies, even in China, are pointing out that many of these kids have problems in the home and the Internet is not the addiction but the escape. Solving the problem at the root will not occur in these... camps.


By Donovan on 8/7/2009 7:42:37 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
On the other hand, it DOES say that at 16 he graduated from the no. 2 high school in the autonomous region.
Actually it says "Ziyuan No. 2 High School" which is probably just the name and not a ranking. But I agree that we can't assume this particular case of Internet addiction was anything serious. It's certainly possible that it was a real problem for the kid, but it's also possible that his dad considered even a reasonable amount of Internet usage to be an addiction.

Either way, boot camps for kids may have some value in rehabilitating true delinquents but they are not a blanket substitute for counselling. Nor should they ever be operated without enough oversight to prevent a recreation of the Stanford Prison Experiment.


this is not tech news
By invidious on 8/6/2009 9:57:12 AM , Rating: 4
quote:
The boy had been sent by his parents to the camp -- the Guangxi Qihang Survival Training Camp , a branch set up by Guangzhou Self-help Teenager Development Training Center -- in hopes of ridding their son of his preoccupation with the internet.


If this was actually an internet addition camp it might be tech news, but its not, it's survival training camp . Which aside from having nothing to do with technology, makes the title very misleading. It should be assumed that survival training camp would be a rough experience with perhaps some physical discipline, while the same would not be assume about an addiction camp.

Obviously these councilors went too far regardless of the camp type (except concentration camp I guess). But in any event this is human rights news.




RE: this is not tech news
By grandpope on 8/6/2009 3:03:50 PM , Rating: 2
So... I assume he failed to graduate from the survival camp?


All 3 of the consolers
By Hacp on 8/6/2009 6:51:40 AM , Rating: 3
Should get their heads chopped off!




RE: All 3 of the consolers
By geekman1024 on 8/6/2009 11:42:50 PM , Rating: 2
Dude, ye havin' problem with people playing console games??


Disturbing
By molgenit on 8/6/2009 9:23:37 AM , Rating: 5
This is truly a sad tale but I find it a bit disturbing that the father said:
quote:
The camp's mission statement also solemnly promised, "Our methods are tough but do not include torture or other methods that might damage a child’s health."


Does that mean there are camps that state they DO use torture or other methods that might damage a child’s health? Are there camps that advertise "we only employ the most modern methods of torture and physical abuse available today"? Maybe these types of camps would have better on staff medical services.




RE: Disturbing
By rcc on 8/6/09, Rating: 0
Maybe he had it....
By Pneumothorax on 8/6/2009 9:03:54 AM , Rating: 4
Maybe he had the missing iPhone?




Wish the man luck
By WoWCow on 8/6/2009 9:37:13 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
"My son was very healthy and was not a criminal. He just had an Internet addiction when I left him at the camp. The police informed us that our child had died on Monday morning. We can’t believe our only son was beaten to death. The teachers promised me that they would not use any physical punishment on my son when I dropped him off. We’re planning to sit before the local government for a protest tomorrow. If they don’t give us justice, we will go to the camp to confront them."


In a society where regulation is still filled with loopholes and everything belongs to the government (thus corruption), this man is going to need a LOT of help to get his case pushed through.

And what is he going to be doing at the camp to confront them? I'm pretty sure the camp officials will be trying to pay off the police and turn the law on him.

I wonder if that camp actually offered tours to potential customers, and why other cases of abuse, neglect, and torture were not reported before this.




RE: Wish the man luck
By rudy on 8/6/2009 6:21:17 PM , Rating: 2
I think the opposite once the story leaks and it becomes a issue the world is watching expect the chinese government to take serious action. However if it had not leaked then you might be right.


By fictisiousname on 8/6/2009 9:19:03 AM , Rating: 2
or run fast enough to make the counselors happy.




Nominations to this camp?
By phantom505 on 8/6/2009 9:51:36 AM , Rating: 2
I can think of several people I'd like to nominate to this camp. They post too frequently and say stupid things repeatedly, as if we didn't already know what they were going to say.




Uhhhh..
By Bowser on 8/6/09, Rating: 0
RE: Uhhhh..
By IcePickFreak on 8/6/2009 12:56:51 PM , Rating: 2
I agree, his pic doesn't make him look exactly healthy and if he was 'addicted' to the internet I would think exercise wasn't part of his daily activity. I'm not saying the kid deserved this, but he went to boot camp and died while running - this happens to star athletes. While I know China isn't known for being humanitarian, I'm not exactly convinced the kid was beat either.


By nafhan on 8/6/2009 9:54:29 AM , Rating: 2
I wouldn't send my kids to a camp that mentions the word "torture" in their mission statement PERIOD. Even if they did need help, "We won't torture your kid really!" isn't very reassuring. My first thought is that they're going to do some really aweful things to your child that is almost but not quite torture (maybe waterboarding?). Anyway since they were lying about the not torturing thing, I guess it doesn't matter.




People Dying? In China? *Gasp!*
By grandpope on 8/6/2009 3:06:30 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Just a couple weeks ago the suicide of a young employee at iPhone-manufacturer Foxconn, reportedly after being beaten and interrogated by his employer, shocked the tech community. Now another incident of alarming brutality in China has reached the public eye.


Am I the only one NOT shocked by atrocities committed in China? I mean, it's not like they hold the gold standard of Human Rights records...




The kid was just stressed!
By The0ne on 8/6/2009 4:51:30 PM , Rating: 2
Come on, the kid was an addict and just stressed. he clearly wanted to take his own life similar to that of the Ipod jumper. No one is at fault but himself *roll eyes*




Jason shut the FU*K UP...omg
By SilthDraeth on 8/6/2009 5:31:02 PM , Rating: 2
In a land where public executions are considered acceptable, still, it seems like he has a good shot at getting his justice. However, one must wonder whether the corporal punishments inflicted by Chinese law enforcement are just an example of violence and brutality begetting more of the same.

Perhaps in the overall context that is China, major reform is needed, but I am getting sick and tired of people crying a tear when a brutal criminal is executed.

It is odd that we have a definition for humanity, the quality of being humane; kindness; benevolence, etc, and yet we apply that to justice being done when a criminal violates what we consider to be humane behavior.

I just do not get it. The three councilors that beat the kid to death should be executed, if all violent crimes where met with execution of the criminal, violent crime rates would drop drastically.




By sapiens74 on 8/6/2009 5:39:25 PM , Rating: 2
It would have cured all his wounds.....

Only in the Ultimate Edition




Journalism
By teldar on 8/7/2009 10:53:41 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
In a land where public executions are considered acceptable, still, it seems like he has a good shot at getting his justice. However, one must wonder whether the corporal punishments inflicted by Chinese law enforcement are just an example of violence and brutality begetting more of the same.


I don't believe this is actually part of the story.
When people go to school for journalism, they are typically taught they should try to avoid coloring articles with their personal beliefs.
This obviously is not something that is followed well in this country.




Celebrate
By eldardude on 8/6/09, Rating: -1
RE: Celebrate
By Trisagion on 8/6/2009 5:24:08 AM , Rating: 5
I don't think his parents wanted him to be beaten to death.


RE: Celebrate
By eldardude on 8/6/09, Rating: -1
RE: Celebrate
By Fireshade on 8/6/2009 9:05:25 AM , Rating: 2
You assume the boy did not have an internet-addiction. You don't know that.
Also, your comment about sending the boy against his will is so lame. It's called upbringing and care. It's the same as sending him to a hospital or mental institution.

In Holland internet addiction is considered an official type of addiction. Such addicts show the same mental symptoms and some physical symptoms as drug addicts, which prevents them from leading a normal life. In Holland they are starting with centers as well to treat computer addiction (internet/gaming).
So it's not an addiction you can just slap onto any computer user.


RE: Celebrate
By Targon on 8/6/2009 9:30:40 AM , Rating: 2
Can you say, without having seen the victim before being sent away that he did not need help? Many people are addicted to SOMETHING, for some it is their blackberry and e-mail, for others it is a compulsive need to be in front of a computer browsing around, for others it is games, in others, it is a drug problem(including alcohol).

When you do something to the exclusion of all else, and it is not for a constructive reason, that could very well be seen as a problem, and if a parent is concerned enough to sign a child into rehab to help with it, that would make sense.

With that said, I had better get my lazy ass out the door to earn some money!


RE: Celebrate
By rudy on 8/6/2009 6:23:00 PM , Rating: 1
So if I force my child to complete highschool against his will am I going to cause more harm then good?


RE: Celebrate
By teldar on 8/7/2009 10:50:12 AM , Rating: 1
I'm going to have to say you're probably some overweight 13yo loser who's harangued by his parents about his fatness and laziness.

It's obvious you're not a parent and haven't had to ever deal with any negative behavior.

I'm not saying i believe in extremely strict parenting, but you have no proof that this kid didn't have issues. Perhaps this sort of thing is common and completely acceptable in China.


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