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China is struggling amidst a deluge of pirated material

China insists that despite recent decisions, like its move to ban all U.S. movie imports, it remains firmly against piracy of copyrighted material. 

China's top officials say that the increased internet usage, not an intentionally lax legal atmosphere, are responsible for making the country likely the world's largest nation in terms of not only population but also pirated copyrighted materials.  These same officials suggest the adoption of harsher punishments to discourage pirates.

Yan Xiaohong, deputy head of the National Copyright Administration, says cases in 2007 of piracy of copyrighted material more than doubled by government statistics due to an explosion of new technology and usage.  This made for difficulties in regulating internet traffic.  He acknowledged at a press conference that preliminary punishment methods had failed to strike a decisive blow, stating, "Although our rectification campaigns have had obvious initial results, we must clearly recognise that there has been no sea change for the better in our nation's Internet copyright protection environment."

He stated that he firmly believes harsher financial penalties and harsher sentences need to be developed.  He states, "
As the situation is so serious we ought to give out heavier fines under the legal framework."

With 210 million internet users, China was second only to the U.S. in online population in 2007.  China's Xinhua news agency quoted industry sources stating that the nation will likely become the largest online population early in 2008.

Despite suffering from severe piracy, China does do a remarkable job regulating websites it feels inspire dissent.  A "Great Red Firewall" blocks users from such sites and alerts authorities of access attempts.  China plans to keep these efforts in place.

"We will put whatever police forces are needed into this," Deputy head of the Public Security Bureau's economic crimes division Gao Feng said, referring to internet "cleansing" plans for 2008, without further elaboration.

Sometimes the piracy and subversive materials boundaries overlap, for example in the case of Hong Kong and Taiwanese TV shows, which are among the most popular pirated items, but also are banned from national television by the government.

In an effort to curb rampant pornography viewing, China announced plans last month to only allow video content through sites which obtain state-issued licenses.  However, it has since offered virtually no details on this licensing, leaving many to wonder if it is even going to happen at all.

Chen Jiachun, vice-director of the Ministry of Information Industry's Telecom Management Bureau would only say, "We will choose an appropriate way to respond to questions from the media or society.  It will be very soon."

China's responses both illustrate an awareness about piracy, the reach of the internet, and also confusion about how to deal with it. This is something which troubles internet giants like Google, Yahoo, and Yahoo who depend on Chinese traffic and video content views.



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Tarrifs
By BAFrayd on 1/17/2008 4:53:20 PM , Rating: 3
At what point in time will we reinstate tariffs?




RE: Tarrifs
By InternetGeek on 1/17/2008 5:12:41 PM , Rating: 2
How would you then ask other countries to join the globalization train?


RE: Tarrifs
By FITCamaro on 1/17/2008 5:31:41 PM , Rating: 2
Gee darn it just won't happen then.


RE: Tarrifs
By feraltoad on 1/17/2008 8:33:02 PM , Rating: 2
Simple. You just let our politicians ask, "Hey do you want to train the US workers? Send a check for 'yes'".


RE: Tarrifs
By eye smite on 1/17/2008 10:54:02 PM , Rating: 2
Do any of you really understand the mentality of the chinese gov't and that fact that it hasn't changed in centuries. Have you studied any of their history at all, such as the chinses warlords that existed up until the end of WW2? That duplicity within duplicity within duplicity is an art form to them and is used in everyday living to obtain what they covet and greed for? If you don't, it's time to take your hand off the mouse and pick up a book on the chinese feudal system and how it's worked and not changed in centuries dating back to well before Christ. Start with The Art of War by Sun Tzu, that's still used very much in china today and is required reading for US military officers.


RE: Tarrifs
By chick0n on 1/17/08, Rating: -1
RE: Tarrifs
By chick0n on 1/17/08, Rating: 0
RE: Tarrifs
By eye smite on 1/18/2008 12:01:52 AM , Rating: 2
Oh I'm sorry, did I violate your delicate sensibilities? I wasn't suggesting that we or anyone else for that matter doesn't copy each other. What I'm saying is that China never means what they say, it's always duplicity with the real agenda hidden. At least, that's what centuries of history prove all the way up to today.


RE: Tarrifs
By lhlinlhlin on 1/18/2008 12:56:37 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
What I'm saying is that China never means what they say, it's always duplicity with the real agenda hidden. At least, that's what centuries of history prove all the way up to today.
I don't think that China is an exceptional example of duplicity, but most of the politicians around the world. Tell me how many of Americans right now still believe that the invasion of Iraq is for Anti-terrorist reason?


RE: Tarrifs
By eye smite on 1/18/2008 11:29:33 AM , Rating: 2
I don't know how many believe it and I don't care. I knew from the word go we were going in there to throw Saddam out and help establish a government we could work with. We put Saddam in power in the 70's, thank you Jimmy Carter. The first Bush tried to play nice and obeyed UN orders on not taking out Saddam in 91. This bush, bless his little pointed head, did the american thing of not caring what anyone else thought and took Saddam out. I happen to agree, who cares what the rest of the word thinks, Saddam is gone, the people of Iraq have their own gov't, case closed.


RE: Tarrifs
By murphyslabrat on 1/18/2008 3:48:09 PM , Rating: 2
The problem with it is that Iraq's new government is more like a little America, and less like an Iraqi government. Even discounting the obvious puppet status (and intent), it is still more American than it is Iraqi.


RE: Tarrifs
By lhlinlhlin on 1/20/2008 8:56:16 PM , Rating: 1
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I knew from the word go we were going in there to throw Saddam out and help establish a government "WE COULD WORK WITH".
Don't tell me that you don't know Saddam Hussein and Osama Bin Laden were supported by U.S. government back to 60's and 80's respectively. Besides, you still didn't get my point that " I don't think that China is an exceptional example of duplicity, but most of the politicians around the world." How many times that Bush has been changing his excuses since the beginning of the invasion of Iraq. If you think that is your so call case closed, then you must also ignore the truth of "more people got killed (includes Americans) after Bush claimed the victory of this war.


RE: Tarrifs
By robinthakur on 1/21/2008 7:24:55 AM , Rating: 2
"I happen to agree, who cares what the rest of the word thinks, Saddam is gone, the people of Iraq have their own gov't, case closed."

Oh the ignorance on display here is entirely symptomatic of why the rest of world does not like or trust America anymore. Its not "case closed" you pointy-headed retard. The country is now the biggest breeding ground for terrorists since Afghanistan, the police force is completely corrupt, there is civil war raging and all quality of life has evaporated. Now Britain is all but pulled out and America is looking to cut her losses and make a dash. You've just reduced the lives of 27 million to Third world level. Want a medal?

Its very easy saying "We're going in to take out the dictator, U S A U S A" but its a shame when that's your entire strategy. What happened to an intelligence led approach? How can anyone be stupid enough not to have adequately planned for the fallout of a government being removed. They certainly planned the invasion for long enough. Sadly war is by its very nature chaotic. Its a pity Rumsfeld and W don't read or they might have learned from history a little more.

Anyway, Saudi Arabia poses the biggest threat to world peace, as is widely believed, because alot of the money we have been giving them for the oil has been channeled into Wahabism-spouting, very exportable, internet-friendly extremism which has now gone round the world, radicalising those in its path; So you should care what the rest of the world thinks, because your dollars (and that of the other nations who financed the Saudis) have unleashed a draconian, warlike form of Islam to infect a previously peaceful worldwide populus, and they might very well bring about our collective downfall. Nice one USA. Remember what happened to Rome, if you ever learned it.


The Art of War
By eye smite on 1/17/2008 7:35:33 PM , Rating: 2
Written by Sun Tzu some centuries before Christ has some simple mandates that the chinese very much use to this day. If you are weak, make your enemy think you are strong and vice versa, if you are far make them think you are near and so on. China like they have always done is fronting a face on an issue to see what reaction they get with us more than anything. They could care less about the piracy on american products, it's things they've banned from other asian countries they will take seriously.




RE: The Art of War
By Master Kenobi (blog) on 1/17/2008 9:04:52 PM , Rating: 1
Your right there. China could really care less about this. Stealing tech and products are the only reason they have achieved space flight among other things. Their whole country end to end runs on stealing from other nations, be it weapons and tech or movies and games.

This is little more than an argument for the WTO to say "Hey atleast were trying".


RE: The Art of War
By Urkis on 1/18/2008 3:09:02 AM , Rating: 5
The Chinese did not steal to achieve space flight. They did it with a combination of their own designs plus purchased Russian tech to help speed their program along. There's nothing wrong with that since NASA also paid for MIR training and expertise to prepare for the ISS. These were cooperative, win-win situations for all parties involved.


RE: The Art of War
By eye smite on 1/18/2008 11:32:07 AM , Rating: 2
They've stolen enough tech from the rest of the world to justify saying they stole the tech for space too. Military tech, computer tech, manufacturing process tech, all things needed to produce space flight, so there it is, deal with it.


RE: The Art of War
By Urkis on 1/19/2008 1:10:00 AM , Rating: 2
China has indeed adopted many Western ideas and technologies, but I disagree with you that this somehow constitutes theft. Countries have always mutually benefited by sharing discoveries and learning from each other, and the Chinese have both learned and contributed as well. The copyright infringement stuff is obviously a different story and I agree that China needs to work much harder to stop it.


RE: The Art of War
By jkcheng122 on 1/18/2008 11:36:41 AM , Rating: 2
"Their whole country end to end runs on stealing from other nations, be it weapons and tech or movies and games."

i can't believe i'm hearing this ignorant statement coming from a mod of this website. China has been around for thousands of years. Where did they steal the tech ideas to make paper, gunpowder, silk? I could do more research and go on and on about how many of our current techs originated from a chinese invention. china may be known for producing inferior products now, but the only reason so many products are coming from china is b/c all the manufacturers here are flocking there to get stuff made and shipping back here to sell.

do you think the US was founded on honesty? would we be where we're at now if we hadnt stolen some things? please don't go attacking an entire country and its people.


RE: The Art of War
By SYR on 1/18/2008 3:36:52 PM , Rating: 2
This is the sort of discussion you get into when trying to apply terms across cultures. Westerners (at least some) buy into the notion that an idea can be "owned", leading to the equation of copying with stealing. Asians tend to see only physical entities as capable of being owned. If you create something desirable, good for you. If I can create cheap copies of your desirable item, good for me -- no "stealing" involved. It is wrong to characterize what the Chinese (and others) do as "stealing". They simply recognize a good idea they find and run with it. There is nothing inherently illegal or immoral in that behavior. Yes, it makes it more difficult for the originator of any idea to benefit from his creation, but that is just a fact of life, not an ethical problem.


RE: The Art of War
By Christopher1 on 1/19/08, Rating: 0
Trade Bans...
By Fnoob on 1/17/2008 7:24:40 PM , Rating: 3
They don't allow our movies in their country? Errr, why? Fear of the effect western culture might have upon their reigns of control? Along the same lines of their blockage of much of the (apparently not-so) world wide web? Our movies are banned material for this reason? Um, why then are there (illegal) copies in nearly every store there? IT'S BANNED PEOPLE! None for you. Nice enforcement of banned materials. I'm assuming crack is sold off the shelf there too.




RE: Trade Bans...
By Fnoob on 1/17/2008 7:26:14 PM , Rating: 2
Another note:

Do we actually ban ANYTHING from their country? Hell no, send us more crap please!


RE: Trade Bans...
By numbnuts on 1/18/2008 3:55:49 AM , Rating: 2
Actually you are buying the "crap" and lots of it!


Piracy is rampant in China
By masa77 on 1/17/2008 5:20:19 PM , Rating: 3
I just returned from spending a month in China. I can understand why they are doing that. You can walk into any major computer shopping mall and purchase any pirated movie or game, new or old, for nickels and dimes. In fact, at the beginning of December I saw fully packaged Crysis games and Die Hard dvds on the shelves in professional looking packaging that were illegal copies. They can't easily control is because the average income over there is so low and people don't have money that of course they turn to piracy and other illegal activities. If we had 1.3 billion people, many without decent work or salaries, I'm sure we'd have the exact same problem. Good for China for taking some positive steps to help prevent piracy.




RE: Piracy is rampant in China
By lhlinlhlin on 1/17/2008 9:35:01 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
In fact, at the beginning of December I saw fully packaged Crysis games and Die Hard dvds on the shelves in professional looking packaging that were illegal copies. They can't easily control is because the average income over there is so low and people don't have money that of course they turn to piracy and other illegal activities.

Those probably are not the illegal copies. The reason why they can be so cheap because the introductory video contains at least 15 minutes commercial (to sponsor the cost) which can't be Fast Forwarded to skip away. Most of the movie consumption are from the Internet Bar (Internet Cafe) not at the movie theaters or DVD rental/purchase. Those internet cafes (around 120,000 stores in China; at least 12 million sites) license the pirated content from some portal sites who offer bitorrent or e-mule like files of the movie content. The consumers pay of 2~3 RMB (roughly 30 cents) per hour to watch the movies. It is a very different country even from the aspect of the same race like me ( a Taiwanese). I got a friend who used to have distribution right of various (sports, comedy, episode .... you name it) contents in China. After 2 years of work, he burn out all of his money and gave up, because the content value is zero in China unless you can find a way to sponsor it. All of the TV stations won't pay you the money for the content, but just open a time zone for you to broadcast it (in fact you have to pay for it in a tricky way). In order to make the money, you will have to find the commercials to sponsor it.
BTW, if you take serious about whatever the Chinese government says, I will say that you are too naive.


It's the **chance of getting caught** stupid!
By androticus on 1/17/2008 11:02:02 PM , Rating: 2
Studies and common sense have shown that the most significant deterrent to crime is not the severity of the penalty, but rather, the chance of getting caught. This is what makes "law and order/get tough on crime" conservatives so useless -- their biggest remedy for crime is making harsher penalties (including the death penalty.)

While I do believe that penalties for violating rights should be fairly harsh, probably harsher than today, the most important practical point is detection. Just look at how freely illegal drugs flow both in our country as well as to (and from) those with even harsher penalties.

If China **really** wanted to "get tough" on piracy (corruption, etc. etc.) it would stop its fairly useless "show executions" and instead focus on dramatically increasing the arrest and conviction rate. THOSE stats will tell us whether they are playing games or are sincere.

I get the impression that China doesn't give a damn about IP since very little of their economy makes it but almost everyone uses it -- so it makes sense that if they can get that free, then commercial productivity is increased and individual consumers have more to spend on other things, like other Chinese goods, etc.




By Christopher1 on 1/19/2008 5:55:27 AM , Rating: 1
Or, they could simply make the things in question legal, and not waste their time on them.

There comes a time in regards to 'vice' like drugs, child pornography, prostitution, etc. where you have to say, honestly, that you have absolutely FAILED in preventing them and that the only people who think that something is a vice anymore is someone with an agenda: i.e. the drug companies in the case of illegal drugs, the religious right in the case of prostitution, and the police, religious right, and psychologists who would lose out on money in the case of the first and last and on worshippers if we were to say that these things are not wrong anymore and treated the people who think there is something wrong with them as the ones with the problem.

There comes a time when you have to realize "Wait a minute.... there is no such thing as 'god' since we now know that we came about through evolution with no external interference whatsoever, so why should I not to these things that are harmful to no one (except when someone else fools them into thinking it is harmful or it is done to excess)?"

Like I have said many times before, in the case of drugs, child pornography and prostitution..... the number of people who do them, view it or make love with prostitutes makes it clear that a majority have decided that these things are not wrong..... especially in the case of the first and second there, with a estimated amount of 1 billion people in the world having done drugs at one time or right now, and an estimated 100 BILLION to 1 TRILLION views of the second every 3 months.


Easy fix...
By Enoch2001 on 1/17/2008 8:10:54 PM , Rating: 2
Just let some of those city inspectors loose on any retailers selling pirated material. That'll stop up real quick... albeit with a massive increase in homocide.




By pillagenburn on 1/18/2008 2:33:53 AM , Rating: 2
Execution for crimes of piracy.

"I swear I didn't download that file!" *BOOM*




Kind of goes hand in hand
By Bioniccrackmonk on 1/18/2008 11:26:45 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
making the country likely the world's largest nation in terms of not only population but also pirated copyrighted materials.


We have piracy issues her ein the states with just 300 million people, imagine what it would be if we had over a billion.




what good is it...
By Screwballl on 1/18/2008 1:15:28 PM , Rating: 2
... when the police and military are pretty much forced servants and at least 75% of them are pirates themselves? who is really going to stop this when the law is even participating?




If MAC is illegal in china, I want to move there
By XPguy on 1/17/08, Rating: -1
RE: If MAC is illegal in china, I want to move there
By Fnoob on 1/17/08, Rating: 0
RE: If MAC is illegal in china, I want to move there
By Fnoob on 1/17/08, Rating: 0
By mmntech on 1/17/2008 11:24:17 PM , Rating: 1
Troll. Every comment he's posted recently is something bashing Mac. Get lost XPGuy.

China is once again marching along to it's "primitive communism" drum. Likely a little butt kissing on their part since most legit DVDs are probably made in Chinese factories. The MPAA has already threatened boycotts of some countries such as Canada, which is supposedly piracy infested. [rolls eyes] Why is it that governments are folding like deck chairs to their demands? It's not like they're selling an important product. Maybe I'm ignorant but I refuse to believe the piracy issue is as rampant they claim it is. At least not to the extent where legit users are guilty until proven innocent.


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