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Materials science testing center in Wuxi, China  (Source: http://www1.lanxessgoesasia.com/)

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China outshines its competitors for "up-and-coming" research countries

The U.S. is currently the largest producer of peer reviewed journal articles in world, having published 333,000 articles in 2008. However, a recent study has shown an enormous growth in output of scientific papers by China over the past decade. Jonathan Adams, a research evaluation director at Thomson Reuters believes that if China continues on the path of its current trajectory, it will become the largest producer of peer reviewed articles by 2020.

According to James Wildson, the director of science policy at the Royal Society, China’s gains in research can be attributed to three major factors; the first of which is the massive investments in research made by China’s government. This has significant impact on an industry whose primary source of capital is research grants. The second factor Wildson cited was the “organized flow of knowledge from basic science to commercial applications,” or simply put; China tends to perform research with practical application.

The third factor is that China capitalizes upon the fact that many of its citizens are dispersed throughout the world by inviting them to participate in a program which allows them to spend part of their time conducting research in China, and the other part conducting research overseas. China has also been taking advantage of the collaborative nature of research by publishing an increased amount of papers co-authored with scientists from outside countries.

Thomson Reuters brings up an important point on the quality of papers produced by China; "Although the statistics measure papers in peer-reviewed journals that pass a threshold of respectability, the quality [in China] is still rather mixed. They have some pretty good incentives to produce higher quality research in future.”

This observation on quantity over quality seems to point to China’s enormous population of 1.3 billion, 4.5 times greater than America’s. With that many more citizens it is easier to produce numbers. Hopefully in the future, the trend in quality will match the trend in productivity.

Outside of China, countries often associated with research production include Brazil, Russia, and India. While funding cuts on scientific research have things looking bleak for India and Russia, Brazil -- which specializes in agriculture and life sciences – is seeing a steep increase in papers published and may also be a scientific power to watch in the coming years.



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done and done
By vapore0n on 1/26/2010 11:18:56 AM , Rating: 5
Given that they steal tech secrets from everyone else, I can see this happening even sooner




RE: done and done
By MrBlastman on 1/26/2010 11:40:28 AM , Rating: 5
First study I think they might win a prize for:

"The effects of melmanine on infants, animals and other living things after being ingested through processed food inadvertently exposed to it within factories."

Or,

"The efficiencies incurred through economies of scale of widespread use of lead as a paint additive and the effects due to toddler ingestion."

Or,

"Propylene Glycol--sweetener of today, or the future?"

They have tremendous potential.


RE: done and done
By HrilL on 1/26/2010 12:50:14 PM , Rating: 2
They didn't even have to fund these studies. Just the expense of lives lost and the medical cost...

Or how about the effects of GHB (Gamma hydroxyl butyrate) in paint of toys for toddlers. Yes lets give the date rape drug to our kids via toys they might put in their mouths.


RE: done and done
By MrBlastman on 1/26/2010 12:56:43 PM , Rating: 2
If it keeps them quiet and pacified, it must be good!... Right?

I can see it now in Babies R Us:
Drop Proof Pacifier, now with GHB! Keeps your baby quiet, like a nip of warm summer alcohol without the booze.


RE: done and done
By BladeVenom on 1/26/2010 12:57:37 PM , Rating: 2
I think you meant Ethylene glycol. Propylene glycol is non-toxic and already a common food additive.


RE: done and done
By MrBlastman on 1/26/2010 1:20:48 PM , Rating: 2
Hmm yes, you're correct--good catch. Diethylene Glycol. I should go brush my teeth with some of it now. If it's good enough for the Chinese, it must be good enough for me! :)


RE: done and done
By rs1 on 1/26/2010 4:06:24 PM , Rating: 5
I'm not sure what your point is. China is far from the only country to have caused serious health problems for its inhabitants. For instance, the U.S. could just as easily have:

"Love Canal - Examining the Link Between Dioxin, Birth Defects, and Cancer."

Or,

"On the Bioaccumulation of Mercury and PCB's in the Great Lakes Marine Life."

Or,

"High Fructose Corn Syrup: The Patriotic Sweetener."

Or,

"How to Clear Out Squatters Using Smallpox for Fun and Profit."

Or in other words, let he who is without government-induced public health disasters cast the first stone.


RE: done and done
By porkpie on 1/26/10, Rating: 0
RE: done and done
By MrBlastman on 1/27/10, Rating: 0
RE: done and done
By slunkius on 1/27/2010 3:10:21 AM , Rating: 2
oh really? Could you please let me know those fine examples when US were called on to save everyone?


RE: done and done
By porkpie on 1/27/2010 1:54:26 PM , Rating: 2
WW2, The Cold War (NATO was formed at the behest of European nations wanting US protection from Soviet invasion), singlehandedly funding the lion's share of the UN, as well as providing the majority of troops and material for all its peacekeeping missions.

That enough to start, or should I add a few more hundred entries to the list?

Honestly, do kids not learn world history any more?


RE: done and done
By jconan on 1/27/2010 4:41:18 PM , Rating: 2
no, nor do they even know geography let alone the states in America.


RE: done and done
By Xenoterranos on 1/27/10, Rating: 0
RE: done and done
By clovell on 1/27/10, Rating: 0
RE: done and done
By clovell on 1/29/2010 7:26:08 PM , Rating: 1
Just so we don't have to worry about you calling us hypocrites on the internet like a second-grader on the playground? Grow the fuck up - China needs to be criticized for this shit so they can fix it. So does the US.


RE: done and done
By rcc on 1/26/2010 5:51:45 PM , Rating: 2
Don't forget the advantages of switching to Cadmium after you get called out for using lead


RE: done and done
By Silverel on 1/26/2010 11:52:32 AM , Rating: 3
Granted, they can steal all they want. How do they plan on advancing to the top of the ladder? You can't steal your way smarter...

At best, they'll be equal to the most advanced countries. Provided they keep up the espionage...


RE: done and done
By myarbrough on 1/26/2010 12:03:00 PM , Rating: 2
I wish it were true that you can't steal yourself smarter, but it just isn't. For individuals, yes, but for countries, no problem.

They have plenty of human intelligence, and they absolutely CAN steal the research fruits of our far-more-fruitful economic system.


RE: done and done
By porkpie on 1/26/2010 12:04:54 PM , Rating: 3
There's no need to "steal" research that appears in peer-reviewed journals. That's why it appears there publicly, in fact, to make it available for all.

30, even 20 years ago you could draw sharp lines between the US and China's economic systems. But China is moving ever-closer to capitalism, while the US draws ever-nearer to socialism. In another 10 years, China will most likely have the freer economic system.


RE: done and done
By Iaiken on 1/26/2010 12:22:15 PM , Rating: 5
quote:
In another 10 years, China will most likely have the freer economic system.


I find this very unlikely.

Some Chinese government officials have a bad habit of taking over businesses and resources that they deem to be of financial interest, often without monetary compensation to the previous private owners.

In order to have a freer economic system, they need to first stamp out this sort of corruption/inequity.

A personal friend of mine invested in a company to manufacture buttons and other promotional items. A local official took it over and left him with all the debt which bankrupted him. Ironically, he took all his customers with him thanks to it being a private venture and the button factory went tits up shortly after.

Tit, tat, everyone loses when ethics go out the window.


RE: done and done
By porkpie on 1/26/2010 12:27:00 PM , Rating: 2
You're talking about an older China. The Chinese govt. has taken major strides to cleanup corruption.

BTW, according to Heritage Foundation's list of nations by economic freedom, Hong Kong is #1. US has slipped down to #8 on the list. Chinas as a whole is still very low, but moving up fast. In retrospect, my 10 years prediction is too optimistic, but I don't think 20 years is out of the question.


RE: done and done
By Iaiken on 1/26/2010 1:23:16 PM , Rating: 5
Hong Kong and Macau are both Special Administrative Regions and are only barely under the administration of the CCR. For all intents and purposes, they are fully autonomous and as such are not pertinent to your argument.

As such, both are almost purely capitalist and both observe separate constitutions and political systems from that of the mainland.

The only areas that the CCR has any jurisdiction is in foreign affairs and defense. Even then, the Hong Kong Police Force has paramilitary capability and is sworn to uphold the constitution of Hong Kong, not China.


RE: done and done
By porkpie on 1/26/2010 2:29:08 PM , Rating: 1
I full recognize that Hong Kong is partially (though not fully) autonomous. It's still part of the Chinese nation, however, and thus pertinent to the argument.


RE: done and done
By Iaiken on 1/26/2010 4:34:04 PM , Rating: 4
No, no it isn't.

You are trying to use an exception to provide the foundation of your assertion. This is just as asinine as old exception that proves the rule.

Mainland china is nowhere near supporting a free market environment and is currently ranked 140th by the Heritage Foundation. The government is involved in many existing industries to the extent of directly competing with commercial enterprises in some cases. In many other cases, the government is a direct investor in existing commercial enterprises both domestic and abroad. This is not something that is just going to go away overnight.


RE: done and done
By porkpie on 1/26/2010 6:29:01 PM , Rating: 2
"This is not something that is just going to go away overnight."

Overnight? Sure, of course not. But at China's current rate of improvement (and the US's current rate of creeping socialism), I don't find it implausible that in 20 years, the difference between the two economic systems would be little to none. ALREADY, nations like Ireland and Canada score higher than the US, something that would have been unthinkable in 1975.


RE: done and done
By msomeoneelsez on 1/26/2010 5:36:35 PM , Rating: 2
You should do some research... really... please...


RE: done and done
By intelpatriot on 1/26/2010 12:33:33 PM , Rating: 1
The Heritage Foundation ranks China 140th for economic freedom.
The US ranks 8th, and Canada ranks 7th and Australia ranks 3rd.

The drag on economic freedom in the US over recent decades has been corporate corruption on the large scale and lack of universal healthcare demotivating job/career changes on the individual level.


RE: done and done
By porkpie on 1/26/2010 12:47:55 PM , Rating: 5
"The drag on economic freedom in the US over recent decades has been corporate corruption on the large scale and lack of universal healthcare "

Lol, what? I can see you never read the report. Allow me to quote:

quote:
The U.S. government’s interventionist responses to the financial and economic crisis that began in 2008 have significantly undermined economic freedom and long-term prospects for economic growth...Uncertainties caused by ongoing regulatory changes and politically influenced stimulus spending have discouraged entrepreneurship and job creation, slowing recovery. Leadership in free trade has been undercut by “Buy American” provisions in stimulus legislation and failure to pursue previously agreed free trade agreements with Panama, Colombia, and South Korea. Tax rates are increasingly uncompetitive, and massive stimulus spending is creating unprecedented deficits. Bailouts of financial and automotive firms have generated concerns about property rights

Had the US implemented the (luckily now failed) Healthcare takeover, it would have dropped ten points on the list overnight.


RE: done and done
By AEvangel on 1/26/10, Rating: 0
RE: done and done
By Iaiken on 1/26/2010 1:28:24 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
Also we already have universal health-care


Really?? Might want to recheck your understanding of what "Universal Health Care" is:

Universal Health Care - Health care coverage for all eligible residents of a political region and often covers medical, dental and mental health care. Typically, costs are borne in the majority by publicly-funded programs.


RE: done and done
By esandrs on 1/26/2010 2:08:50 PM , Rating: 1
For the anti-universal healthcare side of this sub-thread - if universal healthcare allegedly has such a negative effect on economic freedom, why are Canada and Australia ranked above the US already (with their "government run" systems)?

Just wondering!


RE: done and done
By Reclaimer77 on 1/26/10, Rating: 0
RE: done and done
By porkpie on 1/26/2010 2:51:42 PM , Rating: 4
"if universal healthcare allegedly has such a negative effect on economic freedom, why are Canada and Australia ranked above the US already "

Had you bothered to read the report, you'd know why. Because while the taxation required to support universal healthcare is obviously a huge economic drain, there are many other factors involved. Australia for instance scores much better on property rights and financial freedom, and somewhat better on total government spending than does the US.

BTW, the #1 and #2 entries on the list both do not have universal health care.


RE: done and done
By jiminmpls on 1/26/2010 4:32:18 PM , Rating: 1
Bullsh_t. Both Hong Kong and Singapore have nationalized, universal health care systems. The HK system is much like the British (fully nationalized), where Singapore's is a highly regulated and subsidized single payer insurance system. Both rank among the top ten countries in terms of health care quality.


RE: done and done
By porkpie on 1/26/2010 5:01:48 PM , Rating: 2
Bullsh_t yourself. The "nationalized" portion of Singapore's health care consists only of a national "catastrophic" health insurance plan. In effect, its no different than the US system, where emergency services are provided for everyone, regardless of their ability to pay.

Only 28% of total medical payments in Singapore come from taxes, a percentage almost equal to the US, when Medicaire/Medicaid are factored in. 65% are paid for out of pocket, by the people getting the care, and another 7% paid for by private insurance.

A true universal health care system is one in which the majority of costs are born by the state. Singapore doesn't qualify...their level of state control over healthcare is hardly larger than ours:

Hong Kong also has a two-tier system, with the state picking up some costs, but substantial OOP (out of pocket) expenses still exist for payers. Only 54% of total medical expenses are paid for by the state in HK, which technically might make it "universal", but not by nearly the standards of a Great Britain, France, or Canada, where private citizens pay from 0-20% of their health care bills.

http://www.actuaries.org.hk/upload/File/EdCorner_H...


RE: done and done
By Iaiken on 1/26/10, Rating: 0
RE: done and done
By porkpie on 1/26/2010 6:34:15 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
Despite the fact that the Congressional Budget Office has asserted a cost savings ranging from 35-40% every time it has approached the issue

You're the "flat out liar". The CBO has consistently and repeatedly said the Healthcare reform bill would increase costs, not reign them in:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/artic...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/artic...

Pick up a paper sometime pal.

quote:
"That basically leaves the US as the only nation in the top 25 as the only nation without any form of universal health care whatsoever "
That's the logical error known as The Bandwagon Fallacy. Or as your mother taught you, "if everyone else leapt off a cliff, would you go too?"

I've already given links and statistics to prove my point about Singapore and HK. What kind of "Universal" health care is a system where private citizens pay all but 28% of total costs out of their own pocket? That's no more universal than the US is.


RE: done and done
By inperfectdarkness on 1/26/2010 12:12:04 PM , Rating: 1
let them be #1. i'd rather see 95%+ quality research than have a quantity of research outnumbering everyone else.

besides, eventually they'll stagnate--once they don't have enough companies/nations to leech from to continue such absurd rates of growth.


RE: done and done
By TETRONG on 1/26/10, Rating: -1
RE: done and done
By chick0n on 1/27/2010 10:19:02 AM , Rating: 2
you guys stole the paper, printing, fire powder and compass from China how many Years ago ?

so yeah just Stfu ?


RE: done and done
By porkpie on 1/27/2010 1:58:13 PM , Rating: 2
I realize how politically correct it is to give credit these days ANYWHERE but to a white European, but China did nothing with the majority of its "inventions". They never developed a real printing press, for instance. It was Europe that independently developed printing, and turned the printing press into one of the cornerstones of modern civilization.

The same thing with "fire powder". There's nothing magical about substances that burn and give off a lot of gas. The magic there is in turning that invention into something that actually matters socially and economically.


my predictions
By The0ne on 1/26/2010 1:26:53 PM , Rating: 3
China will indeed become #1 in everything, including...

1. waste and pollution, 2nd to NO ONE!
2. government say and use of anything and anyone, more so then than now obviously. Yea for medicine research, no more need for wimpy animals where live human subjects is ideal!
3. go on the cheap for every product in mass quantity. Sick and almost dead people goes to #2 above
4. control weather due to water being unusable in any shape or form; they are almost there on this one. yay.

So yea, I think they will rise quickly and be dominant but I'm also predicting Resident Evil world scenarios and/or mass destruction of their own country where it becomes uninhabitable, like Beijing for example.

I honestly can't wait I'm all giddy with excitement.




RE: my predictions
By porkpie on 1/26/2010 2:27:49 PM , Rating: 3
Actually, after decades of declines, China's air and water are both getting cleaner, thanks to their economy progressing to the point where they can actually afford to implement pollution-control measures. The sky isn't falling, Chicken Little.


"I honestly can't wait I'm all giddy with excitement"


The sad thing is I think you actually are. Most enviro nutcases actually do get happy when things like the Valdez oil spill or the Chernobyl meltdown occur.


RE: my predictions
By The0ne on 1/26/2010 3:38:25 PM , Rating: 2
Your completely wrong. You haven't been to China and if you have you haven't done your research there properly. Their water system is a complete failure from the cities all through the countrysides. What little streams that you find in the countries are also puss looking and smelly. This is because no one takes care of them after development moves in. The sewer foundation are poorly implemented and maintained in most big cities. It's so poor that the smell actually escape back UP through any opening, including drain holes such as those u find in bathrooms. Now imagine how this smell could be much worse the your sht that you just took. It's that bad.

You cannot drink the tap water there, although in your case I strongly urge you to drink as much as you can as it may help, and MUST drink from bottle water. It's not a fad here where one doesn't necessary have to drink from bottle water but a necessity.

And if you ever been to Beijing you probably love LA smog coming back. And it's not the only city. Now imagine you are staying at a 5 star hotel and scenery is just beautiful with a stream to go along with it. Now, you go out walk around and notice this God aweful smell, the puss, green, garbage filled stream and wonder how the fck is this even consider a 5-star Hotel in the first place. And get this, people do fish in this the stream to what little fish there is in there. I've never seen one.

And here's a example to prove to you that even though the sky isn't falling this Chicken little apparently has a brain to realize it's not all so pretty. Check out on google maps Xiamen, China. I've walked on foot all over the island many times over. Pick any water source you can find, even the sewer and the beaches and I can say without a doubt the water is polluted and not fit for use, even for swimming although they do it. And those beaches, there's fcking garbage floating near the shore and swimmers HAVE to swim pass them in order to find clearer, not necessary cleaner, water. Kids are out of luck but hell if the average Chinese family know any better than to not let their kids swim in there.

Not enough for you, pick any place around the island for roughly 150 miles or so as well. I've traveled those places too. Absolutely gorgeous places and mountainside, when they are not littered with growing tea bushes. Remember the scene from Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon on top of the bamboo's, it's like that exactly except parts of it is with tea bushes all over and when you actually get there it's dirty and water is almost as nasty as in the cities.

Actually, don't believe me. Go there and drink up! China must be crazy when they made Beijin air cleaner for the Olympics. I wonder why, hmm. I don't know what you've read, but I've read, traveled, experienced and actually talk to people there about the issues. What have you done to support your comments? I spend the time to find out why things are the way they are when possible. What have you done to support your comments? Oh...I thought so.

Sky is indeed not falling but what I've said earlier is a bit sarcastic and base on experience. Visit China, drink the tap water it'll do you good and us justice. Oh and make sure to watch the horror in the faces of the Chinese citizens watching you do that. It's surely a Kodak moment!


RE: my predictions
By xmichaelx on 1/26/2010 3:45:40 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Your completely wrong.

Oh, delicious irony!


RE: my predictions
By The0ne on 1/27/2010 1:49:27 PM , Rating: 2
irony as in? O.o


RE: my predictions
By xmichaelx on 1/29/2010 3:48:21 PM , Rating: 2
Irony as in "your" is spelled "you're" in that instance. You're wrong.


RE: my predictions
By porkpie on 1/26/2010 3:52:42 PM , Rating: 3
" You haven't been to China "

Actually, my wife is Chinese. I've been to Shenzhen more times than I can count, as well as spending a fair amount of time in Shanghai and Beijing.

"You cannot drink the tap water "

Funny, I did so plenty of times. There are still plenty of places and times where bottled water is still your best choice, but the fact is that the situation there is getting BETTER. Not worse. Six years ago, I couldn't breathe in Beijing. This Christmas, it was much better. And even six years ago, the air in Beijing wasn't nearly as bad as London's coal smog was during the 1950s. London survived that just fine, I'm sure China will too.

"Remember the scene from Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon on top of the bamboo's..."

You might want to get your information from reality, rather than movies.


RE: my predictions
By The0ne on 1/27/2010 2:15:44 PM , Rating: 2
Look Porky, before this gets anymore off topic as it already has.

I'm being sarcastic about my comments concerning the doomsday type scenario to IMPLY that CHINA doesn't do much and/or enough to solve many of their pollution issues. What you have given me is your personal experience and from your courage of drinking tap water here and there. I mean think about it, if the foundation is not there you really think any tap water, direct, is good to drink. Sure you're still standing but that does not mean it's clean. I gave many examples of this type of scenarios in my 2nd post...ppl swimming and fishing in the dirty waters. I'm not saying you or they are going to die, I'm saying they don't know any better and do so and the city/government is not doing a damn thing or enough.

Your definition of BETTER has no justification. Have you visited the water/utility companies or even talked to them. Have you research how things are actually getting better? Because funny thing is I do because I am piss they are not being done. I talk to whomever is willing to talk to me. I talk to managers, supervisors and often lawyers. Even the CEO of the CM factory has shared information and provided contacts for my interest. I've talk to lawyers particularly because of the use of kids for pan-handling, slave work and even prostitution. They can't do jack sht nor is there any non-profit or otherwise organization large enough to help.

Yes I am aware of the few that are reputable and doing the Work. The problem again is there isn't enough to handle the task and the country is so fcking corrupt it's not even funny.

Seriously, next time you go visit your wife's home go find companies are that actually helping to BETTER the city. And to prove to us all, take some pictures of the buildings there too to show how nice and clean it is. I have plenty of pictures from my trips there.

As for you last comment, fck you. If you haven't seen scenaries like that in China that's your fcking dmbass fault. They are beautiful. Go and visit Fujian area dmbass. Your wife is Chinese, have her ass drag you to visit those places next time. Apparently you don't understand sarcasm or reference usage.

China is not hell, China isn't going to destroy itself. China has major problems and needs to do MORE to improve them. This is not a high priority with China. There, simple enough for without too much words?

I'm pissed at the things I see in China but I don't denounce it like Reclaimer77 or others. I have many friends there and a few here. I like touring places in China. I just hate to see a nice clean little village with a dirty water source. I can only hope that China will try to prioritize and fix many of the things wrong with the Country...of which, again, I'm very doubtful.


what we need to do
By kattanna on 1/26/2010 11:28:47 AM , Rating: 5
what we need to do is to "teach" the younger generation there in china just how "uncool" it is to be smart like has happened here in the US.

and maybe get them addicted to reality TV too while we are at it.

;>)




RE: what we need to do
By kattanna on 1/26/2010 2:50:12 PM , Rating: 2
OMG.. so today i came across this

http://www.pe.com/localnews/inland/stories/PE_News...

quote:
The Menifee Union School District is forming a committee to review whether dictionaries containing the definitions for sexual terms should be permanently banned from the district's classrooms, a district official said Friday


we have schools trying to ban the friggin dictionary now?

the very reason for a dictionary it to define all words, but now, think of the children!, we need to ban them because they contain sexual words too?


Can someone explain that graph to me?
By porkpie on 1/26/2010 11:51:13 AM , Rating: 2
China is above everyone else, but its listed as 112K reports, while the US has 332K? The scale on the other side doesn't seem to match up either.




RE: Can someone explain that graph to me?
By Gary Oak on 1/26/2010 12:05:23 PM , Rating: 3
It's percent growth


By porkpie on 1/26/2010 12:20:09 PM , Rating: 2
Got it, thanks.


There's papers and papers
By Moohbear on 1/26/2010 11:39:40 AM , Rating: 2
It's one thing to produce a lot of research articles and it's another to produce interesting and significant ones. What's the average Impact Factor? There are literally hundreds of low end peer-reviewed journals that will publish pretty much anything they receive, provided you pay the fees, of course.




RE: There's papers and papers
By jimhsu on 1/26/2010 5:57:51 PM , Rating: 2
But you see, it's the co-authoring that helps China so much (having been involved in academia at various times, I know). It's a matter of "I'll do your grunt work, run your replicates, and code thousands of lines of code" in exchange for coauthorship in Nature or Science or Cell or any of the big ones. The same thing works (only with the "Acknowledgments" section instead of coathorship) for PhD students.


This is stupid
By spoerad1 on 1/26/10, Rating: 0
RE: This is stupid
By porkpie on 1/26/2010 12:48:41 PM , Rating: 2
Care to elaborate with an actual fact or two? Or just wanna throw spitballs?


RE: This is stupid
By spoerad1 on 1/26/2010 6:45:02 PM , Rating: 2
Well this is a complicated topic as some of the comments on here show, but instead of just questing chinas practices which is valid but the best argument is simple. You cannot predict the future especially when it comes to states like China


Am I the only one
By Noliving on 1/26/2010 1:30:34 PM , Rating: 2
Am I the only one confused by the graph?




RE: Am I the only one
By ThePooBurner on 1/26/2010 4:29:39 PM , Rating: 2
No.


China is always 10 years from...
By intelpatriot on 1/26/2010 11:54:24 AM , Rating: 1
Where's the "Chinese Samsung" we were meant to see by 2010?

China was meant to have "taken leadership" in multiple industries by now.

If you say Lenovo... I'm going to assume you're trolling p




RE: China is always 10 years from...
By FPP on 1/29/2010 5:12:38 PM , Rating: 2
...and that does not represent hardcore research and development. A personwith a pencil and papar can do theoretical research. The old USSR had some of the best theoretical scientists on earth but no R&D to use that research.


By lukasbradley on 1/26/2010 1:30:20 PM , Rating: 2
End of Line




Go China!
By rcreyes on 1/26/2010 2:25:41 PM , Rating: 2
What a relief that finally the torch will pass to Asia. This will be a force for good in the world. One can see from all these comments how xenophobic and racist whites are. They attribute every gain to "stealing" technology. China originated most of the technology that liberated human beings out of the ancient world (compass, printing, gunpowder, watertight hulls in shipping, sailing masts, wheelbarrow, planting in rows, etc. etc. etc).

China will hopefully regain its rightful place sooner than 2020.




eeexcellent
By MadMan007 on 1/26/2010 3:29:32 PM , Rating: 2
CC: heads of the star families
Illumnati
All 33rd degree Free Masons

Things are going so well for our coordinated effort to bring about armageddon! Inflamatory bans on Muslim dress and religious buildings in Europe, international fundamentalist terrorism, economic turmoil with further concentration of wealth, increased importance of international organizations all further our cause.

Our work in China goes well too! It's so much easier managing an openly one-party system than ones that are multiparty on the surface. Once our economic warfare program based on cheap Chinese labor, business practices, and artifically fixed currency has ruined other countries our next step will be to create an event to convince the Chinese to make their standing army over 200 million, then invade the Middle East.

Keep up the good work!




A bit offtopic but...
By Hakuryu on 1/26/2010 10:17:49 PM , Rating: 2
I see this 1.3 billion people fact thrown around alot, and I think most people assume these 1.3 billion are like people in their country.

They are not. Only 42% are rural citizen, about 572,000 million, and many of these people are the ones you see in travel shows - small business owners, blue collar workers, and so on.

You can't just take the fact that their population is so huge and assume eventually they will become the undisputed power in the world... even if it is fashionable in futuristic science fiction to have everyone speak Chinese along with their native language.

Eventually, just like the US, when they have a large population of younger people who have an easier time growing up (pre-WW2 US children versus modern children), they will have the same problems we do, regardless of how tough their great firewall is.




By alpensiedler on 1/27/2010 4:48:00 PM , Rating: 2
they are often very poorly written. as an american comp sci grad student i often find myself just skipping over papers from asian or indian universities. they often aren't worth the trouble of deciphering. instead i just search for the original paper whose method the chinese paper tries to extend.

at any rate i think we will be ok until the actual reviewers stop caring about the quality of the writing.




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