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The Chinese navigation system will include an encrypted channel as well

People all over the planet depend on the GPS satellite positioning system for all sorts of things from navigating in their cars to keeping up with equipment and personnel. China says that it intendeds to have an operational GPS system covering all of Asia by 2010.

Despite the 2010 date specified, Chinese officials aren’t giving up much information. In fact officials from Japan say that it and China have had no talks concerning interoperability of the two nations GPS satellite systems. This is despite the fact that both China and Japan are members of the International Committee on Global Navigation Satellite Systems (ICGNSS) that was founded to ensure global interoperability of navigation satellite networks.

China has also not yet completed frequency coordination with the other ICGNSS member nations including the U.S., Europe, Russia and others. According to Space.com, Chinese officials said at the Toulouse Space Show that China’s global Compass/Beidou system would be fully compatible with the U.S. GPS, European Galileo, and Russian Glonass global navigation constellations.

Japanese officials are concerned about the Chinese Asia regional system because Japan is developing its own regional system called the Quazi Zenith Satellite Systems which will have three satellites in a highly elliptical orbit with an apogee over Japan and Asia. According to Satoshi Kogure from the Japan Aerospace Exploration Japanese Agency some in Japan feel the Chinese navigation satellite system is an important issue for Japanese national security.

The head of the Galileo unit at the European Commission financing the development of the Galileo constellation notes that when the U.S., Russian, Chinese and European medium Earth satellites are added together there could be 120 operational navigation satellites in medium Earth orbit.

The Chinese satellite system will also reportedly include an encrypted channel, presumably for use by the Chinese military.



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"G"PS
By mjcutri on 5/8/2008 2:31:04 PM , Rating: 2
I thought GPS stood for "Global" Positioning System. If GPS is global, why do all these other countries need their own systems?




RE: "G"PS
By dagamer34 on 5/8/2008 2:35:51 PM , Rating: 3
In the future, the US might get pissy and turn it off for these countries, so they feel they need their own. Plus, other countries don't like relying on the US for stuff.


RE: "G"PS
By Ananke on 5/8/2008 3:05:37 PM , Rating: 2
The first thing in a war conflict is to shut down your opponent's telecomunications. China shoot twice low and high orbit satelites successfully last year. They need GPS system too, for modern warfare operations. They develop cyberattacks successfully too. Chinese military budget balooned recently and the fact affects the rapid development of modern warfare technics. So, yes, they need and will place their GPS satelites.
Also, don't forget that GPS satelite may perform additional spy functions. Low orbit satelites are the best way for noticing a wing-rocket or balistic nuclear launch, and to track down nuclear submarines. The careers and support ships you don't need to count, they will be the first thing wiped out by tactical nuke :) ...Very bright future we have, don't you think so?


RE: "G"PS
By tastyratz on 5/8/2008 4:45:58 PM , Rating: 5
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and to track down nuclear submarines

Why would they need their own gps for that? They could just use google for free!!
:-)


RE: "G"PS
By lompocus on 5/9/2008 3:23:00 AM , Rating: 1
You forget one important fact: You are not Chinese. They do not need their own satellites.

Would you trust a homocidal monkey who's just gone from living in a cage to inheriting Bill Gates' private island... would you trust them with high tech?

Besides, never count nukes. If anything their satellites will be the first thing targeted by the US in the event of war. China is not friendly, therefore deny them satellites.

Then, people like you come along and say the rest of the world should have teh same thing the US has and we shoudl not interfere :_.

...Eh, oh well. China wouldn't last an hour in open conflict with the US. They buy and build big stuff and train their people how to use it afterwards :_ .


RE: "G"PS
By wordsworm on 5/9/2008 9:44:59 AM , Rating: 3
quote:
...Eh, oh well. China wouldn't last an hour in open conflict with the US. They buy and build big stuff and train their people how to use it afterwards :_ .


That might be true. However, it didn't stop them from beating the US and France in Vietnam, or forcing a draw between N and S Korea.

quote:
Besides, never count nukes. If anything their satellites will be the first thing targeted by the US in the event of war. China is not friendly, therefore deny them satellites.


If America has a hard time dealing with Iraq, how in the heck do you think it will fare against China? China is as old as time. In any case, China doesn't need to ask for permission to put satellites into orbit.

quote:
...Eh, oh well. China wouldn't last an hour in open conflict with the US.
Al Qaeda is causing all kinds of trouble for the US. Al Qaeda would be a walk in the park compared to China. Nobody has ever conquered China. Taking a little rock and forcing narcotics into China (referring to England in Hong Kong) or taking a few beaches (Japan) is a far cry from actually taking all of China. It also demonstrates a poor working knowledge of their beliefs in how to win a war - time is a weapon that they wield very well, and consequently it's the west's biggest weakness. China's been around forever, as they say. Whereas the west has amnesia whenever a new president with a different mandate is elected. I'm not Chinese, however I admire their mind boggling contribution to mankind.

Al Qaeda doesn't have the power to hit the US. China, on the other hand, very well might. China's just strong enough that a conflict with them could very well reach America's shores.

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Would you trust a homocidal monkey who's just gone from living in a cage to inheriting Bill Gates' private island... would you trust them with high tech?


China is developing its own technologies. To deny their contribution to world inventions is absolutely blind. You couldn't get a rocket into space without Chinese technology (see ceramics, the compass, and steel as just a few of the technologies that they pioneered.)


RE: "G"PS
By Noya on 5/9/2008 10:40:55 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
If America has a hard time dealing with Iraq, how in the heck do you think it will fare against China?


quote:
Al Qaeda is causing all kinds of trouble for the US.


Again, Iraq is not open warfare involving massive air, land and sea power. It's simple guerrilla warfare (think Vietnam)...but in crowded cities packed with civilians who look just like the enemy = the most difficult ground fighting IMO.


RE: "G"PS
By wordsworm on 5/9/2008 11:34:52 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Again, Iraq is not open warfare involving massive air, land and sea power. It's simple guerrilla warfare (think Vietnam)...but in crowded cities packed with civilians who look just like the enemy = the most difficult ground fighting IMO.


Al Qaeda is tough, but I just can't see them being the equal of a full Chinese vs. Anyone conflict. China's pretty good at whatever it puts its mind to.


RE: "G"PS
By masher2 (blog) on 5/9/2008 1:30:01 PM , Rating: 2
> "Al Qaeda is tough, but I just can't see them being the equal of a full Chinese vs. Anyone conflict. China's pretty good at whatever it puts its mind to"

At current rates of expansion, China's economic and military might will exceed the US within the next three decades.


RE: "G"PS
By SiN on 5/10/2008 11:28:25 AM , Rating: 2
3 decades is a large estimation. I wouldn't be supprised to see it surpass within 10 years. The USA has some good tech, but china are incredible at doing big things at a fast pace.

Anyway, I don't think china would be a threat unless provoked. Military research tends to be the catalyst for discovery and invention.


RE: "G"PS
By wordsworm on 5/10/2008 1:00:35 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
3 decades is a large estimation. I wouldn't be supprised to see it surpass within 10 years. The USA has some good tech, but china are incredible at doing big things at a fast pace.


I agree. It's not just China's growth, but also America's diminishing that may bring the two to equal footing in the not so distant future. Bush really has messed things up pretty bad for the US. I think McCain and Obama are both decent people, with a slight nod going to McCain. Both of them seem fairly intelligent and earnest in their desire to make America a better country - but I'm worried either one will be too little, too late. What can be done to save America now? This is an important question, not just for Americans, but for folks around the world. A depressed America is a danger to everyone and everything. Let's hope that it can recover quickly.


RE: "G"PS
By MGSsancho on 2/22/2013 11:37:55 PM , Rating: 2
China shot down two low Earth orbit sats not geosynchronous orbit GPS ones. the downed sats were at around 500 miles from Earth not 22,200 miles needed for geo-sync. Missiles needed to shoot down L.E.O. objects are relatively small as the U.S. did a mee-too thing with a ship fired apparatus. A massive rocket is needed to reach the outer ones. Still someone could launch a nuke and detonate a regular ICBM at it's apex altitude do serious damage to just about everything https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZoic9vg1fw


RE: "G"PS
By the goat on 5/8/2008 3:04:48 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
If GPS is global, why do all these other countries need their own systems?

The USA's GPS system is capable of calculating much more accurate positions then we allow with the "free GPS" signals. There are additional (more accurate) encrypted signals from our (USA's) GPS satellites which our military use. But we don't allow other militaries to use these more accurate signals.

Why does Mainland China want their own system? They want unrestricted access to and full control to their own accurate GPS system for their military.

Why does Japan want their own system? The Japanese love gadgets so they can't resist making their own system just so that they can play around with it.

Why does Europe want their own system? If I was a cynic I'd say, "Because they are a bunch of socialist elitists and they envision a USA vs. European political and social rift developing over the next few decades." But that is a pretty big what if. . .


RE: "G"PS
By KristopherKubicki (blog) on 5/8/2008 3:24:01 PM , Rating: 2
Don't forget GLONASS either :)


RE: "G"PS
By martinrichards23 on 5/9/2008 5:17:05 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Why does Europe want their own system? If I was a cynic I'd say, "Because they are a bunch of socialist elitists and they envision a USA vs. European political and social rift developing over the next few decades." But that is a pretty big what if. . .


The European system is - by virtue of being newer - FAR superior to the American one, plus it seems crazy to rely on a single system to do something so important.


RE: "G"PS
By the goat on 5/9/2008 7:32:07 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
The European system is - by virtue of being newer - FAR superior to the American one, plus it seems crazy to rely on a single system to do something so important.

Newer = better. Sorry but the USA's GPS is just as new and good as any other system. We continue to add new satellites to the constellation every other year or so. The new satellites have more accurate clocks and stronger transmitters. There is no reason to invent a new wheel. There is no better design then round.


RE: "G"PS
By SiN on 5/10/2008 11:37:25 AM , Rating: 2
At the end of the day the USA GPS is property of the USA, leaving it up to the USA to do what it wants. By the time the EU has theirs up it will be more "advanced" but by how much is debatable.

In reality, USA wouldn't depend on anyone else, why should anyone else depend on the USA? Or depend on anyone else for that matter?

However, unfortunatly for the EU, China will have theirs up first (and will probably be more advanced).

Completely off topic can anyone tell me if pot is legal in China?


RE: "G"PS
By FITCamaro on 5/8/2008 3:07:03 PM , Rating: 1
The US GPS system is also getting a bit dated.

As far as us turning it off for others, doubtful that it will ever happen unless we are at war with said country.


RE: "G"PS
By KristopherKubicki (blog) on 5/8/2008 3:48:38 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
The US GPS system is also getting a bit dated.

This just isn't true. The US has 58 GPS satellites, and since 2005 it already launched 6 L2C birds.

GLONASS, probably the next best system, is sort of a hybrid of Cold War satellites, with 14 current generation birds, 7 much older satellite sand a few spares.

Single band resolution:
GPS: 15 meter horizontal resolution
GLONASS: 57 meter horizontal resolution
Galileo: 15 meter horizontal resolution

Of course, when you take into account the L2 band (which will be added to GLONASS and Galileo, someday...) and multi-signal processing, the *civilian* bands of GPS do sub-1m resolutions.

Just cause we have lots of stuff flying around up there doesn't mean its dated. :)

Makes you wonder what sort of insane capabilities the 33 IIF Air Force satellites are going to add to military-only GPS when they launch next year.


RE: "G"PS
By sapster86 on 5/8/2008 4:50:14 PM , Rating: 2
Using RTK corrections it possible to achieve +-3cm in real time using GPS.


RE: "G"PS
By FITCamaro on 5/8/2008 5:21:27 PM , Rating: 2
I wasn't trying to knock our GPS.


RE: "G"PS
By Apoxie on 5/8/2008 6:31:13 PM , Rating: 2
Galileo starts with both bands, so you can drop the someday...

The free of use service will achieve an accuracy of <4 m horizontally and <8 m vertically if they use both OS bands.

The fee based encrypted service will offer an accuracy of better than 1 m.

But its strange that China now wants their own system. They are already a partner in the Galileo program and paying for it.


RE: "G"PS
By Ringold on 5/8/2008 9:36:19 PM , Rating: 2
They're probably trying to ingratiate Europeans. If the bombs start to fly, however, they don't want to rely on American signals, as we are a likely target, and they don't want to rely on Europeans, because, beyond being a supposed US ally, they wear their morality on their sleeve and could do something stupid, like shut down the system to avoid it being used in conflict.

Thus, I can see why China, and any other respectable power, may want one.

I still don't see why Europe would want one; their security completely relies on the blank check of US support by way of NATO. They're too weak to act alone, so if they ever crawl out of our bed they'd have to crawl in to some one elses who would likely have a system of their own as well.

Well, actually, I do know why Europe wants one, but I mean a reason other than pride.


RE: "G"PS
By SiN on 5/10/2008 12:12:54 PM , Rating: 2
We have the best special tactical unit in the world at present, the SAS, Bristish. We have a joint venture into trade with one another and security.

The EU is not weak; United Kingdom, Sweden, Spain, Slovenia, Romania, Portugal, Poland, Netherlands, Malta, Luxembourg, Lithuania, Latvia, Italy, Ireland, Hungary, Greece, Germany, France, Finland, Estonia, Denmark, Czech Republic, Cyprus, Bulgaria, Belgium, Austria. Add in Turkey Croatia and The Former Yogoslav Republic of Macedonia when they fully join.

Why do people say the EU is weak. We do not supply china with weaponry due to a treaty which cam eunder scrutiny recently due to Chinas wish to buy weaponry from Germany.

The EU defence budget is 311,920,000,000 Euros (2007) ,2008 USA =583,283,000,000 Euros, 2008 China =59,000,000,000, 2008 Russia =40,000,000,000 Euros

It gets to me how people play down the EU defence.

We also have the Eurofighter Typhoon, although the F22 is better.

Given we could be easily wiped out by nukes.

EU Active Military Personnel = 1,582,605
Add in Turkey the total becomes = 2,097,445
USA = 1,426,026
China = 2,255,000

But then again, we aren't interested in war. We are interested in development, trade, technology and Defence. And trade future is with eastern europe (Russia, China, India etc...)


RE: "G"PS
By Lonyo on 5/8/08, Rating: 0
GPS
By sapster86 on 5/8/2008 2:58:04 PM , Rating: 2
Yes GPS stands for Global Positioning System but only the original american Navstar satellite constellation is actually "GPS".

GPS has just become an accepted phase to encorporate all satellite navigation systems although Glonass, Galileo and all the rest are their own independent systems. kind of like how "hoover" covers all vacume cleaners.

Why would other countries want their own systems?
* America only recently turned off selective availability on their GPS signal which degraded the quality of the system to civilians and enermy govenments, they could reactiveate this at any time.
* Counties like china want to be able to have very accurate GPS for weapons and special forces.
* the more satellites their are in the sky and the better aranged they (PDOP) are the better quality signal you can achieve, this will be very benificial (lucky to get 9 or 10 satellites in view at the moment)




In other news...
By dflynchimp on 5/8/2008 5:29:55 PM , Rating: 2
China aims to develop GPS guided cruise missiles by 2010




hm
By GlassHouse69 on 5/9/2008 11:06:41 AM , Rating: 2
they should also have a Food system covering their country as well. That would surely benefit just a tad more. Or, a bill of rights coverage. Yes, this is actually needed. Technology = suck




China is a monster
By machop on 5/9/2008 6:15:11 PM , Rating: 2
The oil price increases because of China;
The food price increases because of China;
China is building GPS because for military;
Ohh, my god, China can shoot down satellites!
And on and on...

"fair and balanced" media coverage worked really well.
When US shot down satellites, that's for world peace;
When US invaded Iraq, it's for freedom,
When there is a person who was biggest salve owner 50 years ago, now he is Gandhi; these slave masters peeled salves' skin as chair pad, use their skulls as decoration, now he won Nobel peace prize;
there are so many unfairness and corruption in China, and were reported day after day, no western media cared. But when a small amount mob kill people, burn their store and steal, they were heroes!




By MrBlastman on 5/8/2008 2:20:40 PM , Rating: 1
We'll all be able to have a futuristic slalom course in the sky in no time!

Perhaps X-Wings slalom course can become a reality some day... we can only dream.




A rose by any other name...
By i3arracuda on 5/8/08, Rating: -1
Japan is worrying about China?
By dickeywang on 5/8/08, Rating: -1
RE: Japan is worrying about China?
By FITCamaro on 5/8/2008 5:27:27 PM , Rating: 2
Why would Japan's own system threaten their national security? Of course China having its own Asian system threatens Japan's security. It gives China the potential of high accuracy cruise missile targeting against Japanese targets.


RE: Japan is worrying about China?
By dickeywang on 5/8/2008 7:46:28 PM , Rating: 1
Read the article again, both China and Japan are developing their own GPS system that would cover the entire Asia. So if the Chinese system has the potential of guiding missiles targeting Japanese targets, shouldn't we consider the Japanese system has the same threat to China too? Have you seen any media saying anything like this about the Japanese system?

What I don't understand is that, whenever China is spending money on technologies/military, everybody start to whining that "it's a threat to world peace", while nobody is saying anything about Japan who basically has the same amount of annual military budget as China.

Talking about military threats, a country like Japan, who was invading Asian countries and bombing American harbors not long time ago, now has the strongest navy fleet in Asia, leads any other Asian countries in virtually every military related technologies, and whose military budget per capita is at least 5 times as much as that in China. Now you tell me, which one you think is the real threat?


RE: Japan is worrying about China?
By HrilL on 5/8/2008 9:15:20 PM , Rating: 2
Many US officials think that China is spending much much more then they are letting on. And I would have to agree with that theory. The media considers it a threat because look what countries are the economic powers of the world and what countries do those media companies work for? Basically anything china does to advance its position in the world economy is a threat to every country that currently has more economic power then china. They have the most to lose.


RE: Japan is worrying about China?
By lompocus on 5/9/2008 3:32:36 AM , Rating: 1
You see, first off you need to take your head out of the sand and open your eyes.

Japan will not blow the world to kingdom come when they get their GPS satellites. China, however, thinks it can act aggressive and is not exactly the most friendly people when compared with Japan.

That, and 1 is a US ally while the other is a communist dictatorship which openly opposes all US actions, even when such opposition from china is just utter nonsense.

Japan uses american technology and their own great tech. Japan will not invade the US. Japan will get all US aid and military help cut off the second they invade. US Forts in Japan will blow the shit out of japan if they invade teh US. My cousin, in the US marines (or rangers? I forgot) is one of many stationed in Japan who actively train Japanese. It's preferrable to have Japan invade China, not the other way around :P.

I feel safe knowing that the japanese would help the US in any asian military endeavor. I do not feel the same way about china.

Of course the japanese can and do aim missiles at china. EVERYONE AIMS MISSILES AT CHINA!


By PandaBear on 5/9/2008 9:19:32 PM , Rating: 2
Not long ago Bin Laden and Saddam Hussien was our ally and what happens over a few years? True, we blew Hussien off but the country is now a mess, and so is Afgan.

What is ally and enemy can change overnight due to profits and interests. You can never tell who will be good for you and never guard against them.

Japan realize that it is cool to have defense protection from US and focus on economic, and use that economic development to financially invade other country (not targeting Japan, China is doing the same right now). They realize that it is a good benefit and want to keep it that way.

China probably is more worried about a conflict over the natural resource along the coast and under ocean (oil), and that fishing island over Taiwan that they claim the US incorrectly return to Japan after WWII. I don't think any large country can get away with invading another country in today's world, unless part of them want to go independent and the central government want to suppress it.

Any war in the region would instantly impact the entire world, and every country other than North Korea (maybe only Mad Man Kim Jong Il) realize they can only live well in peace.


RE: Japan is worrying about China?
By Ringold on 5/9/2008 5:42:25 AM , Rating: 2
One is a democracy, one is communist. One has been dedicated to peace for as long as most people on DT have been alive, the other has been a violent oppressor not afraid of military conflict for the same period of time. One is a long-time ally of America, the West, and freedom, the other is a long time nemesis of all three.

I'll let you take a guess at which is which. If you can't connect the dots as to why one is worrisome and the other is not, well, I can't help ya.


RE: Japan is worrying about China?
By pxavierperez on 5/9/2008 7:05:45 AM , Rating: 2
Don't forget in the 90s China were purposely shooting their missiles close to Taiwan and Japan while claiming they were just doing military training. That's being a bully. Adding North Korea into the fold it's only logical that Japan would want to build national defenses.

And as far bringing World War Two is a really pathetic attempt to vilify Japan. Japanese people are completely different now than what they were before. The current government does not go around ordering the massacre of protesting students. China does.

Plus in World War Two, there were thousands of Asians volunteers who joined the Japanese auxiliary troops called the Heihos to fight the Allied Forces. From Indonesia alone there were 40,000 who joined the Japanese forces to fight the Allies in Malaysia and up to Burma. Even Taiwan was a close ally with Japan during World War Two. Except for the Philippines, for many Asian countries the Japanese helped get rid of their European oppressor.

The only reason why the British and other European nations fought along the US in the Pacific was to get back to their assets. Except for the US. much of the Allied forces were not in it to liberate Asia. They just wanted to get their colonies back.

In the 1980s forward, Japan had done a lot more in helping the economy of their Asian neighbors than China has ever done. Their Asian Development Bank had overseen many projects to help strengthen the infrastructure of Vietnam, Thailand and other third world Asian countries at the time. And as much as South Koreans would hate to admit, Japan direct injection into their businesses spur the economic growth which they enjoyed currently. Japan helped built much of what Taiwan is today.

History are often by written the victors. Much of Asian's fears of Japan today are mostly implanted artificially by the victors of World War Two.


By PandaBear on 5/9/2008 9:04:56 PM , Rating: 2
Don't you dare claims that the Taiwanese volunteering for the Japanese auxiliary troops. They were sucking the place dry back then and were treated as 2nd class citizens of a colony.

Colony is not a volunteer. Go ask any native Indigenous Taiwanese (the mountain people) and everyone would tell you how much they hated the way Japanese treat them.

I don't have anything against this generation of Japanese people. Most of them agree that in WWII Japan was invading other countries, and have done some pretty f--ked up things back then. They are not the blood loving war mongers of the past (actually even back then most people are not war mongers, just the top government officers and business owners). What I have problem with is how they alter the history textbook and try to brainwash the next generation in thinking that Japanese were the hero of Asia that kick the Europeans out, but in fact they do that so they can be the colonists.

You said the Japanese build what is the Taiwan today. That is false. USA help build what is the Taiwan of today.


By dickeywang on 5/9/2008 8:24:25 AM , Rating: 2
Now, that's the part you, as well as most Americans, are fooled by the media.
First of all, whoever think China is a real "communist country" in these days are those who have never been in China in the past 10-20 years. At this point, China is more like a capitalist country than many of the European ones.
Now, I agree with you that the Chinese government is controled by a single party -- CCP, but if you really know what most common Chinese people are thinking, you would agree with me that it is definitely a good thing instead of a bad one for the world peace. You know, on every single issues regarding board conflicts, most Chinese people are considering the current Chinese government are too soft and not aggressive enough, many people in mainland China think that China should take military actions to almost all the board conflicts, it is the Chinese government who are currently suppress and try to claim people down and try to solve things diplomatically. Now I am not saying that democracy is a bad thing, but you should also remember that Hitler was once had 99% approval rating after Nazi Germany invaded Poland.

Next, let's talk about Japan. Now many of you may think the Japanese people have changed, but do you know that they have a shrine (the Yasukuni Shrine, you can find it on wikipedia) that is dedicated to those top Fascism criminals who were in charge their invasion in WW2? Futhermore, almost every important ones in the Japanese government, including every single one of their prime ministers in the past a few decades, have been holding memorial ceremonies annually in the shrine, and they treated those Facisism criminals as their national heroes during those ceremonies.

Now you may think the Japanese people have changed, but none of the Asian countries who were invaded by Japan would agree with that. The reason you don't know about these things is because the media in the U.S. try their best to hide those things from you. It is simply because Japan is a military ally to the U.S. right now. The media didn't report these issues for political reasons. I am not saying that the media shouldn't talking about the military investment in China, but at least they should not put out a double standard.

Again, like Albert Einstein once said, don't learn from the media, instead, learn from history. How many Americans have been killed by Chinese in the past 100 years? How many Americans have been killed by Japanese in the past 100 years?



RE: Japan is worrying about China?
By dickeywang on 5/9/2008 8:55:42 AM , Rating: 1
Now, it is interesting to see people think that communism=dictators.

First of all, it's simply logic, China has a 1.3billion polulation, and if you think a government can be in power for a nation with such a large population for more than 50 years simply because of dictating, you are not being reasonable. To stabilize such a populated society for such a long time, the government has try to make people happy so they won't start to thinking about "revolution".

The truth is, the current political structure is working in China, and most people are happy there (you wouldn't argue with that if you really have spend some time in China these days). Now to the capitalism countries, this is a bad thing because they have been criticizing the Chinese political structure for years and have been saying that it is doomed to be failed, however, in the past 20-30years, more and more Chinese people are enjoying the benefits the Chinese government has brought to them. Of course there are some imperfections, but most people in China are hoping that the government would improve on these issues instead of hoping to have a completely now government(for example, like the one in Iraq right now). This is similar to what most Americans have in mind about the U.S. government, isn't it? Need improvement? yes. Destroy everything and start from scratch? No.

Now you may make your own mind whether you want to consider Chinese people are under dictatorship.

Really, if you think about it, the idea of "capitalism vs communism", is very much like trying to figure out which one is evil between Judaism or Catholic. It's not the communism's fault, it's just there are always crazy people doing crazy things. In communist countries, you had crazy people like Steining, in capitalism country you also have crazy people like G. W. Bush, who made the life in Iraq a big mess while still saying that "the world is more free under my leadership". The truth is, right now, China has a reasonable government that has given the Chinese people their most peaceful period of time in the past 2 centuries. It's that simple.


RE: Japan is worrying about China?
By eeto on 5/9/2008 10:45:58 AM , Rating: 2
I couldn't agree more, and I thought JP is only allowed to own a small military ever since WW2, and also the US Okinawa base is supposed to guard them or keep an eye on them. That's was part of the surrender requirements during that time. It's also very interesting to me that people view communism towards a dictatorship way. It seems to me a lot of people enjoying viewing the Chinese government this way.

I have read through so many comments, and I keep asking myself my view towards JP. As some of you pointed out they helped the world move on, they are friendly people... Probably influenced by their technology presence in the world. Ya, I can't deny that I do like their gadgets and stuff, however JP people are just as friendly as any people in the world, just as racist and JP-only as none in the world.


RE: Japan is worrying about China?
By pxavierperez on 5/9/2008 7:10:05 PM , Rating: 2
you really have no clue about the Japanese culture and here you are accusing people being fed by the media.

You made a comment about Yasukuni Shrine, but before i explain what it really is about since it's obvious you clearly have no idea, let me touch upon one point in your criticism.

You critized the Japanese dedicated the shrine to a group of fascist criminals. I take it you lack a bit of history lesson since China's Super Hero Mao Zedong (Tse-Tung) wasn't only a fascist but a communist tyrant too. There were ten times more Chinese who were killed during his rule than during the Japanese occupation. And last I visited China, the Chinese government/people pretty much worship and commemorate Mao as a national hero. Heck, they make a song worshiping him. Ever hear of the "East is Red?"

The Chinese likes to think that the Red symbolizes the flag. But many Chinese survivors know it's the river of blood spilled during Mao's reign.

So if the Chinese can worship and venerate a mass murderer of their own people to Saint Hood, I suppose the Japanese can visit the graves of dead World War Two soldiers.

Now let me tell what the Yasukuni Shrine really is . The Japanese believe that when a person died violently his soul rests uneasily and may cause havoc among the living . So they build these shrines to calm the dead spirits so that they may leave the living people, you and me, alone, peacefully . And THAT is what the Yasukuni Shrine is for!

Thus on annual basis political figures visit the shrine to pray so that these tortured souls can rest peacefully and leave their administration in peace.

It isn't about hero worship the way the Chinese put up a big poster of Mao the dictator for everyone to bow and kneel down to kiss his feet.

Go and do research in the Japanese consulate nearby before you go blabbering about your media fed believes.

And the only Asian countries that are continuously critical or a bit concern of Japan military built up are either South Korea and China. North Korea is suspicious of everyone. China have a political agenda rather than thinking in behalf of the security of Asia. China would rather prefer to be the sole super power in the region and see Japan as a competitor. So don't go generalizing as if every Asians hate Japanese.


By PandaBear on 5/9/2008 8:46:30 PM , Rating: 2
Calm down dude.

Most people in China don't worship Mao Zedong, much like people in Cuba don't worship Fidel Castro. It is the government that try to make themselves look good that made the song and the national hero thing going. (I used to live in that country when I was younger, so I know this part better than you).

That being said. What the Chinese couldn't stand about the Yasukuni Shrine is that [B]Japanese government refuse to apologize for the damage it did to other countries in WWII [/B]. This is not just the Chinese, but also the Korean people that were suffering during the time. Sure, during Mao 10x more Chinese die due to political reason, but that is internal business within China and not Chinese killing 10x as many Japanese. This doesn't make Japanese WWII war crime (forcing women into army prostitutes, using civilians as bio-weapon research objects, mass murder, rape, etc).

Let's not also forget that it is the ultra nationalist right wing Japanese that give political pressure to the government officials to visit the shrine. To me I couldn't care less if a civilian visit it, but [B]the whole motive behind the head of state visiting the shrine[/B] due to political reason, is [B]a hidden message that we refuse to apologize[/B], and if we were to do it again we still would.


By PandaBear on 5/9/2008 8:56:39 PM , Rating: 2
I wouldn't say the communist are running China for 50+ years because people love them, but rather they are sick and tired of war and anyone that suck less than the Nationalist party at the time would be better.

The way they keep people from revolting is to keep everyone on alert that the Nationalist from Taiwan will be attacking any minute (and they actually did for the first 10-20 years after the liberation, my grandmom's sister's house got burn down from mortar fired from Taiwanese plane at the time).

The improvement of the last 20-30 years is long over due, not really the good work of the government. Remember Hong Kong, Taiwan, and Korea's living stand were so much better for so long ahead of China, that they are still behind due to the communists' rule and corruption.

Now I wouldn't say democracy is perfect and dictatorship is completely evil. Taiwan used to be in dictatorship until the last 10 years or so, and it was running fine. China was doing ok in massive project that can never be done quickly in democracy like US due to (cough cough, lobbyists and corrupted elected officials due to campaign money) various reasons. Let's also not forget that most civil war truly end only when a dictator arrives and kick everyone's ass (whether this is a good dictator or not is another story). Look at Lebanon, if a true dictator can finish the rebels from Syria off, there would be true peace right now.


By pxavierperez on 5/8/2008 6:05:18 PM , Rating: 1
And not a long time after that China invaded a country and helped others to invade another. And some are claiming China is trying to invade or helping genocide.

Same old story either way. Different on everybody's point of view.


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