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Chinese internet users will have less access to porn and pirated information until next year

The Chinese government has launched yet another attack against internet pornography, with officials expecting the anti-porn program to last until the end of May 2010.

To help lead the way, WAP site registration will have to undergo additional scrutiny, with each site's registration information verified before it goes live.  Furthermore, the government also will go beyond WAP sites, and will also target third-party payment companies, and others who are involved in providing online pornography to Chinese internet users.

"If they do not take up proper actions, they will be held for the breach of duty," according to a statement reported on by Chinese media.  "In those serious cases, the corporate representatives will be forced to apologize to the public and promise to correct their wrong-doings in public."

Some web hosts in Shanghai, Henan, Zhejiang and Jiangxi are now saying some customers are calling in to complain they can no longer access their own personal Web sites.  Furthermore, ISPs are no longer allowed to host personal websites -- only businesses and companies approved by the government -- can have individual Web sites.

The so-called great wall of China has kicked thousands of PC users off of the internet, with YouTube, twitter, Facebook and Flickr also reprimanded for various reasons.  YouTube came under fire in March after videos highlighting the situation in Tibet were promoted by Chinese users.

Along with a crackdown on internet porn, the government also is leading yet another attempt to limit piracy -- several Chinese websites known for hosting copyrighted music and movies were disconnected.

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Just another reason...
By R6Raven on 12/17/2009 3:43:09 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
Furthermore, the government also will go beyond WAP sites, and will also target third-party payment companies, and others who are involved in providing online pornography to Chinese internet users.

Just another reason I'm proud to be an American (read "not Communist").




RE: Just another reason...
By TMV192 on 12/17/2009 3:48:06 PM , Rating: 3
What does that have to do with Communism?


RE: Just another reason...
By Reclaimer77 on 12/17/09, Rating: -1
RE: Just another reason...
By zombiexl on 12/17/2009 4:18:31 PM , Rating: 3
So you are saying our media outlets are already under communist rule? At least the one's that want to be able to interview dear leader.


RE: Just another reason...
By Reclaimer77 on 12/17/09, Rating: -1
RE: Just another reason...
By Hieyeck on 12/17/2009 4:59:03 PM , Rating: 2
No, our media outlets are force fed by what 'media relations' spin out. You can expect the media to spin it in a certain fashion, so the relations team spins it to get it out the way they want.

Still controlled information, America is just not so forthright about it.


RE: Just another reason...
By RjBass on 12/18/2009 10:53:00 AM , Rating: 2
Lol, the same could have been said about Fox during the last administration.


RE: Just another reason...
By zmatt on 12/17/2009 5:22:41 PM , Rating: 5
Communism is an economic system not a form of government. You mean Tyranny. Although I will agree that communist systems are susceptible to dictatorship or party rule.


RE: Just another reason...
By Reclaimer77 on 12/17/2009 6:16:19 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Communism is an economic system not a form of government. You mean Tyranny. Although I will agree that communist systems are susceptible to dictatorship or party rule.


Yes but the problem with Communism is it goes against the basic ideals, principles, and nature of man. Remember what ultimately brought down the Soviet Union. The people finally realized what a crock they were living. They wanted McDonalds and CocaCola. They wanted to make their own choices and live their own lives. And they wanted to work to better themselves and their families, not have their labor taken from them and given to everyone else.

So for a Communist system to "work", you have to tightly control the population. And, as history has shown, over time you ultimately will lose that control once things get bad enough.


RE: Just another reason...
By zmatt on 12/17/2009 6:51:24 PM , Rating: 3
Actually what brought down Soviet Russia was economic collapse and public dissent over a failed war effort in Afghanistan.

I know what you are saying, and your ideas about freedom are right. Communism has a tendency for tyranny.

However I would not say that Communism goes against human ideals, it goes against our ideals. I think that the only true communal society was a prehistoric and a pre-agriculture one. That's the only time when a communal system could have worked. In the presence of technology and civilization Communism is doomed to failure. Anyone who sets out to create a communist state will fail, not just in creating his utopia, but in making a true communist state, it's simply impossible nowadays. It would only be very advanced socialism. True Communism means lack of any and all class structure, and for that to work you can't have the technologies that necessitate specialized fields.

To help out one another is a very human thing and that is the root of communism. And indeed it was the earliest form of human economical and social organization (IMHO). However it is an archaic idea and has no place nowadays. attempts to create a communist society gives you human rights messes like China and Soviet Russia.


RE: Just another reason...
By BansheeX on 12/17/2009 10:53:34 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
To help out one another is a very human thing and that is the root of communism.


I think the root of socialism is wanting to abolish ALL private property and, therefore, rights. I argue with people who say it is a right to have basic things provided for you: food, shelter, clothes, medical service, education. What they don't realize is that if everyone has that right, from where do the provisions come? We all want stuff, but none of us want to work for it. Trade necessitates that both parties provide what the other desires or they won't get what they desire. Billion of people doing that daily does require things necessary to defend rights and uphold contracts: courts, national defense, roads... but then the government decides it must

(a) monopolize the money adopted by society and centrally fix the interest rate on borrowed money via a central bank.
(b) turn the money from gold to something which can be manufactured by its issuer at no labor or material cost.
(c) print the money and distribute it as it pleases while levying a progressive income tax. This allows them to socially engineer society and promote one legal behavior over another. Could be getting married, having kids, owning a home, starting a shrimp farm, imploding an investment bank.

If you can't see the problem with (c), I'll fill you in. The trader of production shifts from the earner (laborer) to a non-earner (politician). Non-earners of money don't fear loss, and without fear of loss, care and consideration for the return drops significantly. It becomes a game for dictatorial imbeciles who believe that they can create wealth better than we can. This command and control mentality has led to USA going from largest creditor to largest debtor, SS turning into an unsustainable ponzi scheme, the inflation of bubbles in tech stocks and housing.

But there are still some major rights we enjoy over China, and that's freedom to speak and arm ourselves to the teeth. Too bad we're too dumb to really utilize either.


RE: Just another reason...
By AnnihilatorX on 12/18/2009 9:24:56 AM , Rating: 3
Communism is an ideal, and utopiatic. It only works when everyone is altruistic, nice and perfect. But human is flawed. Any corruption, selfish behaviour by any individual will fail the system.


RE: Just another reason...
By Ristogod on 12/17/2009 4:26:31 PM , Rating: 2
All forms of government seek control. Of course they justify it by saying it's in the interest of the population. The only way to prevent them from gaining control is to limit it from the beginning and to educate the population about why the limitations are there and to express their importance. That is essentially what a Republic is. It's up to a country's populace to keep it though. In the USA, we as a people have failed to keep our republic in place. Now our government runs rampant with regulation and control tactics, all in guise as a means to our better good, which is completely farce.


RE: Just another reason...
By ipay on 12/17/2009 4:29:31 PM , Rating: 2
Communism is about whatever the communists in power want.
So it's just like a Democracy with no expiration date.


RE: Just another reason...
By Yawgm0th on 12/17/2009 4:40:02 PM , Rating: 2
Communism and democracy are not mutually exclusive.

Single-party governments, such as China's, are about whatever the party leaders want. It has nothing to do with economic policy.


RE: Just another reason...
By Kenenniah on 12/17/2009 6:06:21 PM , Rating: 1
It depends a little on the form of democracy. A "true" democracy would most likely end up with the majority voting for things benefiting themselves more than the minority. Eventually this would most likely include economic factors causing the majority to not be equal with the minority, and thus not being true communism.

In theory they aren't mutually exclusive however. In a perfect world with no human greed or corruption they could easily coexist. Unfortunately, in practice there are always those would take advantage by not contributing all they can and getting a free ride and/or voting for their individual benefit.

Maybe someday humans will evolve to a point where this is feasible, but until then even democracy needs to be limited.


RE: Just another reason...
By Lerianis on 12/18/2009 3:35:50 AM , Rating: 2
And that's why we have the Constitution in the United States and the Supreme Court... to guard against that thing with the majority voting for things that harm the minority.

Oh, and as to people who 'don't contribute all they can'... that is their choice, and there is nothing wrong with that, as long as they are adhering to our laws.

Same thing for voting for their 'individual benefit'.... that is why we have the Constitution in place, to stop that from happening.


RE: Just another reason...
By Kenenniah on 12/21/2009 12:23:50 PM , Rating: 2
Yes, that's why I was talking about theory and pure democracy and communism. This wasn't about the United States, but referring to of course the post I replied to.

quote:
Oh, and as to people who 'don't contribute all they can'... that is their choice, and there is nothing wrong with that, as long as they are adhering to our laws.


Again, I was talking about theory and pure communism and pure democracy not mixing well unless eveyone was altrustic and all worked only toward the common good. Never once mentioned anything about wrongness or the United States.

And yes, I know very well why the founding fathers set up the US as a republic instead of a pure democracy.


RE: Just another reason...
By Yawgm0th on 12/17/09, Rating: 0
RE: Just another reason...
By MamiyaOtaru on 12/17/2009 6:32:04 PM , Rating: 3
show me a so called communist country that hasn't been like this.

If every country that calls itself communist has been a single party totalitarian state, you can't really blame people for thinking Communism is something other than what it was intended to be. All the examples of "communist" countries have tended to change the meaning of the word, at least for average joes like me.


RE: Just another reason...
By Targon on 12/18/2009 2:28:40 AM , Rating: 2
I think that the real issue is that just because one hasn't existed yet does not mean it would not be possible. Remember, you have idealists out there who understand that while it may be difficult for such a country to exist, it is POSSIBLE.

It goes back to the concept that while most politicians are self-serving greedy people with no concern for what will really benefit the people, there ARE some out there that do have ideals. This is more of an academic perspective, not about ONLY going on what has happened in the past.


RE: Just another reason...
By GodisanAtheist on 12/18/2009 11:42:08 AM , Rating: 2
Look up Kerala. It is a South Indian State and the ONLY communist government that has been legally and democratically voted into office (with the communist party coexisting with other parties).

It is one of the poorest states in INDIA (think about it) yet has one of the premier health care systems in the entire world. It also has one of the highest literacy rates (and overall quality of education) of any state in India and ranks rather high in world literacy rates.

So there you go: A communist state that wasn't forged out of revolution that didn't become a single party oligarchy that didn't kill off the wealthy or make everyone poor and improved the quality of life for (ostensibly) everyone.

It worked for them, it doesn't work for everyone (certainly not us) and I really wish people would stop with the **** its COMMUNISM thing.

Capitalism and Free Markets rely on the preposterously naive assumption that people will make purchases rationally and in their own self interest, and if you've ever seen a fanboy "debate" you can easily understand how ridiculous such a thing is.


RE: Just another reason...
By lazylazyjoe on 12/19/2009 12:35:34 AM , Rating: 2
Northamerica. pre 1600.


RE: Just another reason...
By lco45 on 12/17/2009 7:58:41 PM , Rating: 2
No. That level of control is a byproduct of communism, it's not what communism is about.

Communism itself is a pretty good idea, but like a lot of good ideas it is let down by the implementation, and human failings.

Luke


RE: Just another reason...
By Reclaimer77 on 12/17/09, Rating: 0
RE: Just another reason...
By lco45 on 12/17/2009 10:12:29 PM , Rating: 3
Come on reclaimer, we can keep it civil.

Luke


RE: Just another reason...
By mindless1 on 12/18/2009 12:54:44 AM , Rating: 2
Well it HAS worked for them for far longer than you've been live. They are a global superpower, without the severe national debt the US has, a healthy export business, and nowhere to go but up in the standard of living despite a minor setback like a crusade against pron for political reasons.

We might say it fosters corruption, but many a man in the US is corrupt. The individual just focuses on a smaller scale.

Ultimately the way the US is going right now, we'll have to wait a few hundred if not thousand more years to see if our little experiment in freedom works out long term. Only a little over 200 years at this point, the US is still quite young. We could learn from our mistakes or we could be heading for a massive implosion of the economy and the numbers point to the latter, even if we balanced the books we couldn't, or at least wouldn't ever want to, afford the interest on our national debt.

It's easy to live high on someone else's money.


RE: Just another reason...
By Kurz on 12/18/2009 10:54:37 AM , Rating: 2
If the Federal Reserve and the FIAT system was never created there would be no way we could run up such a debt.

Though of course a strictly Gold/Silver system it'll be harder to get loans. Since there is no way to create money.
Perhaps a mixture of the two would be best.

The Ability the create money to make a loan.
But, instead this time the money has to be taken out of books once a default happens.


RE: Just another reason...
By AstroGuardian on 12/18/2009 5:36:15 AM , Rating: 2
You are the only idiot here. That guy is absolutely right. If you are idiot enough not to understand simple things, that's not his problem.... neither mine


RE: Just another reason...
By AstroGuardian on 12/18/2009 5:29:29 AM , Rating: 2
You have no idea what a communism is. Go berry yourself inside your stupidity.


RE: Just another reason...
By roykahn on 12/18/2009 5:48:32 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Go berry yourself inside your stupidity


You very funny man.


RE: Just another reason...
By chagrinnin on 12/20/2009 3:34:17 AM , Rating: 3
I had a girlfriend once who had multiple commu....oh,wait,..nevermind.

face. bury. palm. :P


RE: Just another reason...
By jonmcc33 on 12/17/2009 4:36:05 PM , Rating: 2
RE: Just another reason...
By zombiexl on 12/17/2009 4:17:24 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Just another reason I'm proud to be an American (read "not Communist").


At least for a little while longer...


RE: Just another reason...
By munky on 12/17/2009 4:39:40 PM , Rating: 2
Not if Obama gets his way and pushes a bill that allows him to control the internet in case of a "national emergency"


RE: Just another reason...
By Lerianis on 12/18/2009 3:25:23 AM , Rating: 2
Uh.... Bush was pushing for that law too, jackass! So if you are going to get on Obama's case for that, you should also get on Bush's case.


RE: Just another reason...
By munky on 12/18/09, Rating: 0
RE: Just another reason...
By chagrinnin on 12/20/2009 3:16:19 AM , Rating: 2
You're right,..."what he tried to do doesn't matter...", fix what he actually did.


RE: Just another reason...
By aqwan135 on 12/20/2009 8:00:25 PM , Rating: 2
http://ta.gg/3yu

fr ee sh i pp ing

(jordan shoes) $32

(air max) $34

+++

wow


Why?
By Abrahmm on 12/17/2009 4:32:06 PM , Rating: 3
Maybe letting the people look at porn will help "relieve" them of their urges, and help lower the population?




RE: Why?
By dragonbif on 12/17/2009 7:47:30 PM , Rating: 2
I would say so...there are 40,000,000 more men then women in China. What are they to do? Turn gay for lack of options or look at porn, that is what the internet was made for!

FOR PORN!


RE: Why?
By PandaBear on 12/17/2009 9:12:46 PM , Rating: 2
I think they try to protect their prostitution industry. You know, they are semi-legal in China right now.


RE: Why?
By chick0n on 12/17/2009 9:44:59 PM , Rating: 2
whats wrong with prostitution industry? you make it sound like its wrong and only happens in China.

Its wrong when you force someone to be a prostitute. but if she/he is willing to. I seriously dont see a problem there.

and if you want to put it that way, I can say its Semi-Legal in the US too.


RE: Why?
By PandaBear on 12/17/2009 10:19:33 PM , Rating: 3
Nothing wrong with it, just that china is banning porn that is wrong.


RE: Why?
By mindless1 on 12/18/2009 12:48:35 AM , Rating: 2
What is wrong is that is a double-standard and censorship, but on the topic of forcing someone, few if any really "want" to be a prostitute, it comes out of being screwed over or mentally screwed up, a state of desperation for money or attention regardless of whether for living expenses, drugs, or just a roof to sleep under.

In the US it is a bit different in areas like Las Vegas at least, the seedy industry is at least exposed a bit more and they didn't have to choose to live in a high-rent "neighborhood".


RE: Why?
By Lerianis on 12/18/2009 3:30:03 AM , Rating: 2
Wrong. I know quite a few people in my area who are prostitutes and who are not 'mentally screwed up' unless you think having a more liberal sexuality morality than the religioloonies is 'mentally screwed up'.

The fact is that most prostitutes get into the business because it is easy to make a ton of money very quickly, just as in dancing in 'seedy bars'.

Those people I allude to do drugs.... but that came after they became prostitutes and they could AFFORD drugs.

Many people who become prostitutes or 'high-class hookers' do it because it is a very easy way to make money.... and there is nothing wrong with that.

In fact, I would go so far as to say that it is a violation of human rights to keep someone from being a prostitute should they wish to, and a violation of human rights to make prostitution illegal.

If they wanted to stop all the negatives associated with prostitution.... they would simply legalize it and move on.


RE: Why?
By mindless1 on 12/19/2009 6:32:20 AM , Rating: 2
They are mentally screwed up. Non-religious people still want a choice of who they have sex with, it has nothing to do with liberalism.

The fact is if someone gets into the business for the money quickly, they are either desperate (or else why did they need the money quickly), or mentally screwed up (if they weren't, there would be no need to ostracize oneself for a quick dollar, others manage to make ends meet and have happy lives without trying for a quick buck this way).

So they do drugs, and you don't think they had a predisposition, that it's just some kind of "perk" instead of being screwed up emotionally? You seem to know little about human nature, and little about the end result of whoring to get drug money then having to whore again for more drug money till that viscous circle makes the girl even more screwed up and desperate.

Sorry, mentally healthy people do not go into prostitution unless they are desperate. Mentally healthy people pick a career they like to make money and have sex with only who they prefer.

Maybe you just don't realize how screwed up these prostitutes are because they are acting. That's what a lot of women do when participating in something as emotionally charged as selling themselves for money.

To give you a bit of my background, I grew up best friends to someone whose mother, then eventually he, owns a strip club. I saw this stuff constantly inside, and the hooking inside and out, and the drugs, the burnouts, a few suicides, a couple murders right behind the place let alone elsewhere in the city, and a lot of other screwed up things that happen when someone is living that "more liberal sexuality" life you claimed they have.

I get it, you like prostitutes. What's wrong with just sleeping with someone who wants to sleep with you instead of having to be paid to?

See where those people you know are in a few years, mentally as well as what kind of family they have. Only someone screwed up in the first place chooses to stay in a profession that turns their life inside out like prostitution does.

Women that just want fast money have lots of other ways to manipulate rich men, or did you think most of the women in nice department stores, fancy restaurants, etc, were hookers?

It is not a violation of human rights that is ridiculous. Laws are made to keep order and everyone accepts that tradeoff. Is it my human right to take a walk through your property? It's my body, why can't I do that?

Legalizing it wouldn't remove the negatives, you just can't accept that it goes against human nature to screw everyone that comes along instead of picking and choosing mates (back to screwed up in the head).


RE: Why?
By chick0n on 12/18/2009 8:31:14 AM , Rating: 1
rofl

who told u all those BS? oh yeah, shit you see on US controlled media about China must be true ... very true.

US has been "bad mouthing" China for years.

You have no idea how many girls in China who "wants" to be a hooker just so that they dont have to go to college. "work" in the field for 10 years, then quit and hope someone who doesnt know what she does would marry her.

when you dont know the truth of something, stfu and dont act like a know-it-all.


RE: Why?
By mindless1 on 12/19/2009 6:18:10 AM , Rating: 2
You seemed to totally miss the point. Like anyone who wants money they do it, but if they could snap their fingers and have an equal pay job where they're screwing who they want instead of strangers, don't even pretend they'd pick the latter.

They don't want to be hookers, they just don't see another way to have their material desires met. If some rich guy came along and offered to pay their way w/o sex, do you think they'd stand on the street corner? Of course not.


Pffft
By randy915 on 12/17/2009 9:03:41 PM , Rating: 1
Anti-communism is so 80s, move on please...




RE: Pffft
By Jalek on 12/17/2009 11:38:26 PM , Rating: 2
The mentalities of the Cold War won't really die out until the older generations do. They were raised constantly hearing about the commie pinkos that were taking over.

It was so bad at one point, that it's even conceivable that JFK's refusal to attack Moscow after multiple heated meetings with the intel departments, then not attacking during the missile crisis, was a direct link to him being removed from office.

If it did go that way, I'm sure those involved thought they were only being patriotic and doing what was necessary. That's another mentality that isn't really prevalent, doing what you see as needed even if it isn't necessarily personally profitable.


RE: Pffft
By Lerianis on 12/18/2009 3:23:32 AM , Rating: 2
China isn't communist..... look at the definition of communism and then TRULY look at the system that China has.... just like Russia during the Soviet years, it is more elitist than anything else, with the 'communist party' only being that in name.


RE: Pffft
By AstroGuardian on 12/18/2009 5:43:43 AM , Rating: 2
Correct!


RE: Pffft
By chick0n on 12/18/2009 8:38:17 AM , Rating: 2
but sadly, most rednecks still considered China as their "main" enemy and OMG ITS EVIL AND THEY MUST BE FULL OF BICYCLES AND PPL ARE POOR AS FUCK ...

when the fact is exactly opposite ... China's people are rich as fuxk and they own more Ferraris than US combined ...


RE: Pffft
By MatthiasF on 12/18/2009 12:29:24 PM , Rating: 2
Spoken like a pinko.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_state#From_...

A pure society based on a single philosophy can never exist because everyone will never believe the same thing. The best type of society allows for competition between philosophies for dominance but should never allow one to take full control. And that type of society can only be a republic or democracy.

China is a communist state by definition, you just don't want to admit it, comrade. The first communist state failed horribly, all others are sure to follow. The ruling party in China know this, hence why they're hastily moving closer to a capitalist state away from communism.


What a concidence
By lco45 on 12/17/2009 7:45:32 PM , Rating: 5
China and my wife have a lot in common.

Luke




RE: What a concidence
By SunAngel on 12/17/2009 11:11:45 PM , Rating: 2
LOL, any husband worth his weight in salt is/has the same issues. LOL LOL LOL! Great comment dude!


RE: What a concidence
By Kurz on 12/18/2009 10:57:08 AM , Rating: 2
Man... she better put out more often.


What I would like to see...
By HighWing on 12/18/2009 2:56:38 PM , Rating: 2
What I would like to see is just one, (preferable more) major website to just say no to China and block China from their website. I realize many won't because of the vast amount of people (ie money to be made off of them) there are in China. But from the other side I see that as more of a reason to say No and block. In the very lest it gets rid of the problems of constantly having to deal with China's ever changing firewall/web policies. And think of it, if more then one did it, that would force China to rethink their blocking efforts.

In America we are taught to stand up and fight for what you believe in. And the general idea is that we don't like China's firewall/web policies, yet we do very little, if anything to fight it.

I would really love to know what China would do if suddenly Google, Yahoo, Facebook, twitter, and other major websites blocked China. I know they wouldn't care much, but they would then have to deal with their millions of citizen's that suddenly lost access to major parts of the web. And if the trend continued with more sites join in, they would have to do something!

It only takes one major player to take a stand!




RE: What I would like to see...
By kaoken on 12/18/2009 6:56:52 PM , Rating: 2
This would bring porn back how?


RE: What I would like to see...
By MadMan007 on 12/19/2009 12:43:49 AM , Rating: 2
Serious part: Actually China wouldn't miss most of those 'major websites' because they aren't really major in China either because of the 'great firewall' or because their homegrown options serve the Chinese population (or government) better. Baidu is the biggest search engine for example, not Google. Also even if they were major players some copycat sites would pop up damn fast.

not so serious: In America we are taught that it's all about the benjamins :/ or at least we act that way, screw what's 'right.'


RE: What I would like to see...
By carage on 12/21/2009 7:02:26 AM , Rating: 2
I don't think that would change anything.
In the short term, there would be a lot of angry netizens posting complaints on forums, then within a few days these complaints get deleted and no one talks about the topic anymore.
But then we should also know a lot of Chinese are not that concerned about access to foreign sites, partly due to language barriers or usage habits, and there is the education factor. I must commend the CCP for a good job in terms of brainwashing people. A lot of young people truly believe in this, heck there are even pop idols whose rise to fame is simply flaming CNN and other foreign media. I've even met some Chinese students who have actually become more fervent to their cause after studying abroad, I never figured out how to explain this phenomenon.
In the long term, there would be Chinese equivalents of these banned services popping up in China sponsored by government propaganda of course. So in the end, the government is happy, Chinese entrepreneurs are happy, and most of the netizens are happy. China has just created the largest LAN in the world with our help.


By nafhan on 12/17/2009 4:41:41 PM , Rating: 3
The real deal is they want to crackdown on discussion of political issues, and by targeting a broader spectrum of internet "abuses", that becomes less obvious.
Also, by targeting some file sharing sites, they can say to the rest of the world "look we care about IP issues!"




Didn't they hear?
By MadMan007 on 12/19/2009 12:39:19 AM , Rating: 2
I guess China missed the memo that THE INTERNET IS FOR PORN.




So wait....
By Icehearted on 12/19/2009 5:12:06 PM , Rating: 2
...this mean China's the new Blockatiel?




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