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Companies not wanting to provide encryption codes can't sell to Chinese government

There are many security companies that provide a wealth of products from security software to portable hard drives that use encryption to protect the data. The key to keeping the data secure on the drives is the security of the encryption keys.

These keys are often the same for all of their products no matter what country they are sold in. That would mean a security key given to a foreign government could potentially be used to decrypt data that a competitor in another country has stored. The Chinese government has demanded that security companies provide it with the encryption codes used to protect the data on devices they sell to the Chinese government.

When these rules were initially announced, the keys were being demanded on all products that were being sold to anyone in China. The U.S. government and other officials in Europe stepped in and put enough pressure on China that the rules were modified to cover only products sold to the government. The rules are now in effect and some are still crying foul. The rules went into effect on May 1 and cover products including the follow reports 
DefenseTech:

  1. Firewalls (hardware & software) but it does not apply to personal firewalls
  2. Network security separation cards and line selectors
  3. Security isolation and information exchange products
  4. Secure network routers
  5. Chip operating systems (COS)
  6. Data backup and recovery products
  7. Secure operating systems
  8. Secure database systems
  9. Anti-spam products
  10. Intrusion detection systems
  11. Network vulnerability scanning products
  12. Security auditing products
  13. Web site recovery products

The fear with providing China with the encryption codes is that if the same products are used in other countries it opens the data up to possible hacking by China. China was the origin of high profile attacks against Google late in 2009. Christopher Cloutier from law firm King & Spalding told ComputerWorld that the requirement for the encryption codes to be handed over was to certify products to the China Compulsory Certification System (CCC) mark. The CCC mark certifies that products sold in China meet a certain standard.

However, Cloutier said, "If I were a foreign-based producer of products with encryption, I would be very reluctant to give all my secrets to the government of China." He continued, "So now they [Chinese government] have an excuse to buy only Chinese-origin technologies." 

The choice for companies that operate globally will be if they want to turn over encryption codes to China, allowing them to sell to the Chinese government. On the other hand, if they want to do business in other parts of the world where buyers might be scared away from their products with the Chinese government having access to the encryption codes.

Cloutier said, "Let's say you make a particular product and you have encryption in it and you sell it to the government of China. If you sell to the government of China you've got to tell them how the stuff works."

Selling any device using encryption once the encryption codes are known to any government is hard to do to firms interested in data security.



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Up yours, China
By Motoman on 5/4/2010 11:38:50 AM , Rating: 5
As far as I'm concerned, any company that does anything for China is complicit in human rights abuses and therefore is evil.

We should all be deeply ashamed of any company that aids and abets the activities of the Chinese government.




RE: Up yours, China
By UnWeave on 5/4/2010 11:58:43 AM , Rating: 5
So, you don't own anything that has 'Made in China' written on the bottom of it?

I'm not saying I disagree with you, but completely avoiding Chinese goods is (unfortunately?) very, very hard.


RE: Up yours, China
By Spivonious on 5/4/2010 12:08:35 PM , Rating: 1
I'll go one step farther and say that avoiding Chinese-made goods is impossible. For example, every computer device made today has at least one part made in China.


RE: Up yours, China
By MozeeToby on 5/4/2010 12:17:04 PM , Rating: 2
I bet it is possible, remember that most of the chip fabs are located in the US, Japan, or South Korea. If nothing else I can almost guarantee that if you are building your own machine you could buy everything you need manufactured outside of China


RE: Up yours, China
By Calin on 5/5/2010 2:08:14 AM , Rating: 2
Phillipines, Germany, ...


RE: Up yours, China
By Yawgm0th on 5/4/2010 12:51:25 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
For example, every computer device made today has at least one part made in China.
Technically, this is largely true, but if you don't consider the Republic of China to still be "China", it's not true. You can build or buy a computer with parts engineered, fabricated, built, and assembled entirely in Taiwan, Malaysia, and other countries.

The truth of the matter is that if China would let the Yuan rise to its actual value, a lot of manufacturing and assembly, even the high-tech, would move to Malaysia, Mexico, South America, and other southeast Asian countries. We don't need China to build all of our cheap shit. There's a big argument to be made that we (the US, that is) would be better off having Mexico do a lot more of it anyway, even if we have to pay the workers three times as much.


RE: Up yours, China
By chick0n on 5/4/10, Rating: -1
RE: Up yours, China
By Kahnivorous on 5/9/2010 2:32:57 PM , Rating: 1
Can't handle your liquor? Parents rejected you? Still angry about your economics or history grade? Can you spell economics? You reveal your lack of intellect with your emotion.

In response to moving operations to Mexico: It's politically unfeasible more so than anything. Then there's the matter of the environment which China seems to hold in lower regards. However, given the location, using Mexico wouldn't drive up prices like one would imagine. Being closer means less logistics and much cheaper shipping.


RE: Up yours, China
By Carolina Ovi on 5/4/10, Rating: -1
RE: Up yours, China
By bigdawg1988 on 5/4/2010 7:05:04 PM , Rating: 2
Obviously you've never seen Kathy Bates naked!


RE: Up yours, China
By Ardan on 5/5/2010 12:57:03 PM , Rating: 2
Is this something that you've seen, then? That would scar someone for life.


RE: Up yours, China
By Treckin on 5/4/2010 6:09:07 PM , Rating: 2
To top it off, the true efficacy of such boycotts is hard to prove. I would argue that boycotting a NATIONS goods only hurts the NATION, while the STATE is left practically immune. This immunity from international protest is usually enabled by the fact that the ruling class of any given state are wealthy, and so better equipped to weather sanctions and the like.

The same is true of war.

Havent quite figured out what the solution is though... I have finals next week so Ill let you know what I discover :-P


RE: Up yours, China
By killerclick on 5/4/10, Rating: -1
RE: Up yours, China
By Anoxanmore on 5/4/2010 1:32:00 PM , Rating: 5
Your tinfoil hat is showing... ;)


RE: Up yours, China
By killerclick on 5/4/10, Rating: -1
RE: Up yours, China
By raumkrieger on 5/4/2010 2:44:36 PM , Rating: 1
You mean his tie-dye shirt is showing.


RE: Up yours, China
By geddarkstorm on 5/4/2010 2:28:41 PM , Rating: 2
You honestly believe that? Wow... I dunno what planet you live on. Oh, and hey, do you know what France does in the Ivory Coast? Probably not.

On the other hand, you are probably right about Cuba not being a big abuser anymore. They've really changed in the past few decades from the reports I've seen.


RE: Up yours, China
By killerclick on 5/4/10, Rating: -1
RE: Up yours, China
By sjlee33 on 5/4/2010 3:07:14 PM , Rating: 3
According to AI:

Death penalty statistics continued to be regarded as a state secret, making it difficult to assess official claims that the reinstatement of Supreme Court review had reduced the number of executions. Based on public reports, Amnesty International estimated that at least 470 people were executed and 1,860 people sentenced to death during 2007, although the true figures were believed to be much higher.

Not to mention 500,000 illegally imprisoned citizens.


RE: Up yours, China
By killerclick on 5/4/10, Rating: -1
RE: Up yours, China
By killerclick on 5/4/10, Rating: -1
RE: Up yours, China
By sjlee33 on 5/4/2010 5:57:19 PM , Rating: 5
I only brought up those numbers to put your original statement into perspective because those death and imprisonments consist of political prisoners and still are not the whole picture. I am from the U.S. and I have also personally been to many different countries around the world to include some of the most oppressive regimes around today and your statement are just plain wacky. Is the U.S. perfect? Far from it but to say it's worse than China in the context of human rights is absurd. I wonder what country you are in because if it's the U.S. and the government here was as draconian as China you'd be in jail or dead for your views.


RE: Up yours, China
By B3an on 5/4/2010 11:21:14 PM , Rating: 1
I agree with you, mostly. The US is a very backwards place, and always belittling other countries when the US has things like the highest prison population rate in the world, and way more crime and rapes than many other civilized countries. I think this is one of the reasons so many yanks are xenophobic and like this because they think other countries are even more unsafe than the US is.

But being as this is a US site anything said like this will get you rated down, where as on any other non-US site it will get you rated up.


RE: Up yours, China
By Noliving on 5/4/2010 11:26:20 PM , Rating: 2
Ah no they don't really have way more crime then other civilized nations, for example Canada's rape rate is nearly twice that of the US. The US overall violent crime rate, that is all violent crime, is around 600 per 100k, in the UK it is around 1,500 per 100k.

Unlike other civilized nations the US is pretty much the only one to be seeing violent crime rates drop in pretty much all categories for the past two decades.


RE: Up yours, China
By B3an on 5/4/2010 11:44:43 PM , Rating: 1
Well to be fair we both cant compare crime rates because in every country theres different laws, and some things are a crime in one place but not another.

And yeah Cananda does have more rapes than the US, but the US is around 9th out of all the countries in the world, which is not something to brag about, with 0.301318 per 1,000 people.

I think it's also atleast slightly more accurate to go by prison pupulation:

US: 686 per 100,000 people.
Russia 638 per 100,000 people.
Kazakhstan 522 per 100,000 people.
Bahamas 447 per 100,000 people.
UK: 139 per 100,000 people.
European medium rate: 69 per 100,000 people.


RE: Up yours, China
By MrBlastman on 5/5/2010 10:09:50 AM , Rating: 2
With freedom comes more freedom to commit crime. With an armed society, that means there are less people that get away with the crime. Hence, our larger prison population.

I'll also admit our prison system is not perfect at all. Many times, those who go to prison emerge as worse, more hardened criminals than before they went there.


RE: Up yours, China
By Solandri on 5/5/2010 1:53:35 PM , Rating: 3
Rape is a really poor statistic to use to gauge crime rate. Many (probably most) victims will not report it out of shame. So a low reported rape rate may be more an indication that the populace feels that the police are ineffectual, and reporting it would accomplish nothing except make their shame public.

Try property crime rates. I'd be curious what those look like. (Homicide rates are not comparable because they U.S. classifies suspected homicides as homicides. Most European countries consider a death to be a homicide only if it's proven to be a homicide.)


RE: Up yours, China
By ianweck on 5/5/2010 2:07:05 PM , Rating: 2
Way to backpedal.


RE: Up yours, China
By MrBlastman on 5/5/2010 10:00:03 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Unlike other civilized nations the US is pretty much the only one to be seeing violent crime rates drop in pretty much all categories for the past two decades.


This is because we have guns and weapons. The people will always police themselves better than a police force. The police just clean up the mess usually, the crime has already happened by the time they get there.


RE: Up yours, China
By dark matter on 5/5/10, Rating: 0
RE: Up yours, China
By Akrovah on 5/5/2010 7:00:43 PM , Rating: 2
More murders per capita maybe, but his point still stands. The website you yourself linked shows UK as having a higher number of crimes per capita than the US when counting total crimes. Unfourtunately it does not specifically have a metric for all violent crimes, but a higher crime rate in general could be an indicator of also having a higher violent crime rate.

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_tot_cri_perc...


RE: Up yours, China
By rocky12345 on 5/4/2010 2:29:13 PM , Rating: 2
The whole issue here is we are not talking about the rest of the world at the moment,we are talking about china getting encryption keys that would be the same as what other countries get. Which could lead to hacking & all kinds of nasty stuff. What these companies need to do is have a set of keys just for china & this way everyone will not be scared away because now china will no longer have the same keys as everyone else.


RE: Up yours, China
By killerclick on 5/4/2010 2:45:20 PM , Rating: 1
Yeah, sorry. I was just pointing out the hypocrisy of singling out China without addressing other (worse) human rights abusers.


RE: Up yours, China
By morphologia on 5/4/2010 3:11:48 PM , Rating: 3
You mean, Saudi Arabia is worse AS FAR AS WE KNOW. Of course the real statistics won't be available, if China can help it. For all you really know, they kill more "innocent people" in a day than the US (or anyone else) does in a year.

Seriously...China wants backdoors into the security systems of everyone in the world, and you're here reiterating 1970's anti-American propaganda?


RE: Up yours, China
By ianweck on 5/5/2010 2:09:46 PM , Rating: 2
It's trendy to be anit-American these days.


RE: Up yours, China
By invidious on 5/6/2010 11:04:13 AM , Rating: 1
No one is innocent in war.


RE: Up yours, China
By gorehound on 5/4/10, Rating: 0
RE: Up yours, China
By thrust2night on 5/4/2010 7:30:42 PM , Rating: 2
How about a country that does anything for China?


RE: Up yours, China
By pugster on 5/5/2010 9:34:43 AM , Rating: 2
I fail to see what's the big deal about this announcement. First of all, this only affects foreign companies selling to the Chinese government. Also, would you think the government software like the FBI and the CIA would buy software made in China?


RE: Up yours, China
By smegz on 5/5/2010 3:09:04 PM , Rating: 2
Looks like Chinese versions of all these products is the next logical step. All with Chinese encryption keys. That, or not do business with the Chinese government to protect your other customers.


123412341234
By Lord 666 on 5/4/2010 11:22:20 AM , Rating: 5
Moving forward, I am hoping that companies will make special Chinese version of products with very basic encryption codes.

China will never change. Just because back in the 80's the Berlin Wall fell and USSR migrated to capitilism, the US has this quixotic expectation China will do the same. It will never happen and we are setting ourselves up for failure.




RE: 123412341234
By bissimo on 5/4/2010 11:28:01 AM , Rating: 2
Honestly, I don't know much about encryption used by manufacturers, but I would hope that they would create a China version of everything the make. If I were in a sensitive industry I would seriously look into buying from a supplier that does not do business in China whatsoever.


RE: 123412341234
By Solandri on 5/5/2010 1:58:50 PM , Rating: 2
That's probably the reason China wants this - they want to be able to track and hack into any networks run by its own citizens. Ethically, I'd have problems complying with even that. Even governments with strictly codified legal procedures for wiretapping have a history of abusing them. Maybe make it with the backdoor but make it really easy to override, like DVD player companies have done with region encoding?


RE: 123412341234
By ianweck on 5/5/2010 2:14:12 PM , Rating: 2
Maybe but I would lean more towards what the article mentioned, about China having an excuse now to only buy Chinese made tech.


RE: 123412341234
By omnicronx on 5/4/2010 11:58:19 AM , Rating: 4
As the guy in the article states, I would not be surprised if this was just an excuse to keep tech contracts within China.


RE: 123412341234
By wrekd on 5/4/2010 12:43:25 PM , Rating: 2
I'm not even sure it's an issue from the way the article is written. Encryption keys are meant to be changed. Symmetric Key Encryption uses the same key for encryption/decryption, but it can still be changed. Asymmetric or Public Key Encryption uses a public and private key pair that again, can be changed. Whether you're symmetric or asymmetric, as long as the algorithm has not been broken, you should be fine just changing the key. I hope no one would use a factory key to encrypt their data (if there even are factory keys). Something about this just doesn’t make sense. How is this an issue again?


RE: 123412341234
By ekv on 5/4/2010 6:45:33 PM , Rating: 2
In the US, for a product to be compliant with FIPS 140-2, for example, it has to have a stated security policy. The product may be considered secure but if you violate the terms of the security policy then all bets are off. E.g. I have a box that relies on AES and has some extra code to manage keys and what not. As long as the box is closed then it is a secure system. Open the box, no longer considered secure. Simple enough.

Now suppose I sell my box to China (i.e. PRC). This is where the article was poorly written. The author does not differentiate tween crypto keys and crypto code. Vast difference, just like you're writing about. If I turn over a crypto key to PRC then no big deal, since I can always use/get another key. If I turn over the code to PRC then there may be a problem. Notice I stated AES, which is a publicly known algorithm. The likelihood is also that China has stolen very optimized computer programs, i.e. codes, for AES. So far, not a problem (for my box, that is). AES was tested publicly and chosen on the basis of security, etc. Pretty good algorithm 8)

The problem is when the PRC opens the box. If I were sneeky I could've attached a case-open switch and that would've exploded or melted the ROM's the computer program was contained in. [Yes there are better solutions but you get the idea]. Unfortunately, I had to give the code to the PRC so they know that if a certain switch is activated bad things happen. They avoid the switch and gain full access to the machine [and all the other keys, or what have you]. I'm assuming "code" includes algorithms and key mgt. and POST, etc.

Or, since I had to give the code to PRC, they have lots of people with nothing better to do than to try and figure out a way around the security policy. The algorithm still works, but now the PRC gets to do some really nifty attacks on the box in ways that probably void the security policy.

Algorithms, symmetric or not, public key or not, still operate within protocols (and in a larger sense, a security policy). How I manage keys or manage protocols may be a trade secret. And after Google -- you really ought to read the full story, just mind-boggling the level of espionage it took to accomplish that (here in the US, btw) -- I'm not inclined to put much trust in the PRC, to say the least.


RE: 123412341234
By OUits on 5/5/2010 4:06:52 PM , Rating: 2
Excellent post.

When I read the article title I thought, "Codes? You mean keys?" The author seems to use them interchangeably.

I think what he means by 'encryption code' is algorithm.

Lack of fundamental knowledge by the author here.


RE: 123412341234
By Yawgm0th on 5/4/2010 12:44:49 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
China will never change. Just because back in the 80's the Berlin Wall fell and USSR migrated to capitilism, the US has this quixotic expectation China will do the same.
China is arguably just as capitalistic as the Russian Federation, which still maintains state industries and socialized services. The difference is in the political system, Russia being a corrupt, but still somewhat democratic parliament-style federal republic with limited civil liberties, while China is a one-party oligopoly with no civil liberties.

This isn't about communism; it's about control over the populace. China will change or eventually, be it ten years from now or a hundred, the people will retake control of their country.


RE: 123412341234
By MrBlastman on 5/5/2010 10:25:28 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
China will change or eventually, be it ten years from now or a hundred, the people will retake control of their country.


The sad thing is I don't think the citizens have the ability to do this in China. They basically are not allowed to bear arms at all, well, unless they are an airgun with a caliber at or below .177. They also have 8.7 million people in their Army.

While each soldier would have to maintain a 100-1 KDR at the minimum, when the average citizen would be armed with a hoe or a pickaxe and each soldier would have a tank or assault rifle, I think it is totally possible. Well, unless they use ninjas.

If they used ninjas there would be no hope for the army. They'd flip out and cut off all their heads, pike them and then throw caltrops all over the governmental offices just for laughs. But, that is a crack team of ninjas, not the average Chinese citizens.


RE: 123412341234
By Yawgm0th on 5/5/2010 11:11:13 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
The sad thing is I don't think the citizens have the ability to do this in China. They basically are not allowed to bear arms at all, well, unless they are an airgun with a caliber at or below .177. They also have 8.7 million people in their Army.
Until the army consists of pseudo-sentient robots loyal only to government, this is a possibility. Seriously. Also, that's a relatively small army if you consider the population of the country.

The Tiananmen Square Massacre almost turned into a revolution in which much of the army was complicit. Soliders are still people at the end of the day. Hell, a military coup isn't out of the question, either. Give it a decade or seven. China will reform peacefully or with bloodshed.


RE: 123412341234
By eddieroolz on 5/5/2010 6:16:25 PM , Rating: 2
Thing is, in China no dynasty has lasted more than a few hundred years. Each time, a professional army was overthrown by organized resistance (often from the countryside). For example, look at Nurhachi.

The CPC will lose its "mandate of heaven" at some point thanks to organized resistance, I believe.


RE: 123412341234
By wiz220 on 5/4/2010 1:09:42 PM , Rating: 2
That's a good solution actually. Companies can just make a product specifically for China if the think the extra cost is justified. Basically, if the Chinese (government) market is extremely important to a company they just spend a bit more, make a special model and go about their business. It's not a stretch really, some car manufacturers already make special versions of cars for California.


Our only hope against china
By corduroygt on 5/4/2010 11:51:41 AM , Rating: 2
is to develop ABM defense systems (probably with lasers) before we go bankrupt as a nation. Then they won't be able to pull this crap off knowing we can strike them without any consequences.




RE: Our only hope against china
By killerclick on 5/4/10, Rating: 0
RE: Our only hope against china
By Anoxanmore on 5/4/2010 1:31:07 PM , Rating: 1
Striking Iran would be suicide...


RE: Our only hope against china
By killerclick on 5/4/2010 2:14:58 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah, because they could do what?


By geddarkstorm on 5/4/2010 2:30:51 PM , Rating: 2
I think he means political suicide.


RE: Our only hope against china
By drycrust3 on 5/5/2010 5:47:31 AM , Rating: 2
They could nuke you! And don't think that Iran is so silly they'd just nuke an air field or a city, they'd go for something with real consequences like a nuclear reactor.


RE: Our only hope against china
By TerranMagistrate on 5/4/2010 2:37:44 PM , Rating: 2
The U.S. striking Iran would be suicide?

Sorry Mahmoud, but it would take a few days at most to annihilate the Iranian Air Force and decimate their nuclear facilities. There are measures that can be taken to counter any Iranian attack on U.S. forces already in the region.


RE: Our only hope against china
By XZerg on 5/4/2010 2:57:09 PM , Rating: 1
Ah... You need to learn a lot about the Art of War...

This reminds me of a funny article a friend of mine wrote back in his high school or pre-high school time. In the article he basically hinted the idea that the Asian countries are quietly and secretly sending their populous to populate these countries to ensure they have access to the country from inside if needs be.

Catch the drift or should I spell it out for ya? Hint: 911 airplane suicides took place from the country with the country's vehicles.

So in this day and age you don't need massive weapons to hurt another country as big as US. Although I am a strong believer in peace is the right thing for this world to advance because as a life form that's all we leave behind - the betterment that you left behind for the future generations.


By TerranMagistrate on 5/4/2010 5:10:10 PM , Rating: 2
Welcome to the 21st century. Terrorism is always a constant threat here in the United States as recent events have confirmed.


By geddarkstorm on 5/4/2010 2:30:25 PM , Rating: 2
And how are they not in line with our (the UN's) foreign policy? They make yell and make a lot of noise and rattle about, but that's it.

/If/ they start to actually misbehave, they'll be smack back down, like usual.


No more
By TheRequiem on 5/4/2010 11:21:28 AM , Rating: 4
Well, I won't be buying anymore "secure" technology that's "made in China" anymore...




RE: No more
By Qapa on 5/8/2010 9:23:42 AM , Rating: 2
No, this has nothing to do with made in china.

This is about sold in china (to chinese gov).

The really big problem is how will any of us ID a product when buying it, to know if it has this "can be sold to chinese gov" certification.

The rest of the world should mandate that any products that have security provided to any entity (i.e.: countries like in this case china), should be clearly labeled as such. That would be the only way for anyone to avoid such products!


Newegg.com has Chinese net presence.
By letmepicyou on 5/4/2010 6:30:30 PM , Rating: 2
Ahh, I'm not sure if this matters to anyone out there or not, but it kind of matters to me. Newegg.com has a presence in China. Whether they sell to the Chinese gov or not is beyond me, but personally, I'm feeling a bit icky about the Chinese gov having Newegg's encryption protocols for their login server and whatnot. Anyone here buy from Newegg? Anyone here have any personal or financial data at Newegg? I'd be worried about it just a bit, dunno about anybody else.




By bigdawg1988 on 5/4/2010 8:32:05 PM , Rating: 2
Well thanks a lot for my new case of insomnia!


Easy Solution....
By NicodemusMM on 5/4/2010 1:18:04 PM , Rating: 2
just don't sell to China.

Ok... so not so easy. They would just take over any company that failed to supply them, or arrest the Execs, or place them in a mine prior to an accident...




the same as everywhere
By elukac on 5/6/2010 3:41:39 AM , Rating: 2
A few years ago, a friend of mine working for a Belgian software company selling encryption applications to France as been "invited" by unnamed members of the French government. This group of unnamed officials asked the software company to put in place back-doors that bypass the encryption and provide them the necessary access. If not complying, the software company was assured that its products will just be made illegal by some undisclosed means. As simple as that!
Since I know this, I'm absolutely sure that all governments do exactly the same.
Your passwords and encryption, when provided by commercial suppliers are just plain open for the various agencies. I think that the only way to get some privacy is to use unknown tools developed in the freeware/open source environment because it is much more difficult to put any pressure on something that makes no money, has no offices and no CEO.




YES
By s404n1tn0cc on 5/9/2010 1:57:37 PM , Rating: 2
I agree Motoman. There is no such this as free speech in China. If they want the code give it to them at 10000X times the cost of any app or OS. This country is clearly run
buy thugs in Military Uniforms. This 10000x cost will repair and recover the damage caused by the maniacle future michief by the Chinese and there Hacker Universities. Why cant they colaborate and create their own OS os Apps. Its seems the Govn't is engraned in stone age mentality and activity. Let them be creative and make there own S*&^%t.
I'm too tiered of being too creative to develope our s&^%%$t let alone there s^%$#t.




Products?
By stirfry213 on 5/4/2010 1:35:20 PM , Rating: 1
So does anyone have a list or know of a website that will show what products that we might use that the Chinese government also uses so we can make sure to stay away from these products?

That last thing that we need is China being given the ability to rape our PCs with codes given to them by our own companies that we currently trust.

On a side note. The only way China is going to stop doing these kind of things is if the corporations say no. Until then, they are as much (or more so) to blame for potential security breaches like this.




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